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20. November 2011, 19:52:37

fede011

Posts: 5

Drag and drop text

I just moved to Opera, I like it more than Google Chrome, BUT what I think is missing in Opera is the basic feature of dragging text. For who that don't use it (or know) I must say to them that it is very, very useful, for example, instead of copping something you just have to select it and drag where you want, this in less time and less typewriting, and this turn out better when you want to search something, just drag the text and drop in the search-box, when an URL appears you just drag it and drop in the Tab Bar, simpler impossible! And I see that it is possible to do it on text forms, so it will not be a major problem to apply in other scenarios.

Tell me what you think or disagree; why it it shouldn't be in Opera?

P.D.:Sorry Im not an English speaker.

20. November 2011, 21:07:45 (edited)

Pesala

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Originally posted by fede011:

when you want to search something, just drag the text and drop in the search-box


It is far easier to just right-click and search for the selected text. That doesn't use the clipboard either.

Originally posted by fede011:

when an URL appears you just drag it and drop in the Tab Bar, simpler impossible!

Likewise, far simpler to just right-click, go to web address.

I found it useful to assign copy to a mouse gesture:

Button3 = Copy

Select some text, and click the middle button to copy it to the clipboard. Saves using right-click, copy, or Ctrl C.
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21. November 2011, 03:34:23

fede011

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It is far easier to just right-click and search for the selected text. That doesn't use the clipboard either



For me it isn't, its simpler, just drag and drop without any click, and you drag without looking where you are dropping, drag at the top knowing that theres a tab bar, the movement is quick and unconscious, with the normal method you have to take caution to do it correctly and with more steps.

AND more, with the normal method you are opening on the same tab that you are reading, and that is annoying. In order to do it on another tab you must press ctrl.

Likewise, far simpler to just right-click, go to web address.



The same response to this, it opens on the same tab.

I found it useful to assign copy to a mouse gesture:

Button3 = Copy

Select some text, and click the middle button to copy it to the clipboard. Saves using right-click, copy, or Ctrl C.



Thats good, but not simpler.

And thanks for the responses smile

21. November 2011, 05:49:28

Pesala

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Originally posted by fede011:

The same response to this, it opens on the same tab.


Preferences, Tabs, uncheck "Reuse current tab."
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21. November 2011, 07:22:54

Crsmsg

Posts: 30

+1 for drag and drop
is easier

21. November 2011, 11:36:37 (edited)

ianp5a

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For "Search" or "Go to Web page", the Opera right click methods are really much easier in lots of ways.
  • The mouse does not need to move away from its location to the edge of the screen and back.
  • You do not have to carefully drag to a specific position like a search box.
  • You have access to many different search services that are in your list but are not available to drag to.
  • You have the better choice for loading it in a new tab OR current tab. Either use CTRL, or the standard Opera "middle click" on "Search" or Go To Page

What it does not cover, is a search box on a web page that is not in your search list.
This case does not warrant a high priority for the drag text request. Unless you have other uses for dragging text? Please tell.


21. November 2011, 22:40:02

fede011

Posts: 5

Originally posted by Pesala:

Preferences, Tabs, uncheck "Reuse current tab."



Excelent! that makes a huge diference!



@ianp5a I agree with "You have access to many different search services that are in your list but are not available to drag to"

But disagree with:

Originally posted by ianp5a:

The mouse does not need to move away from its location to the edge of the screen and back.


Believe me that it isn't that hard, with a movement of 2 in of the mouse you reach the top, and its faster, with less steps and more intuitive, because we are used to arrange and drop things in the "real life".

Originally posted by ianp5a:

You do not have to carefully drag to a specific position like a search box.


no just on the tab bar (well that was my fault, I mentioned that you have to drag on the search box, but it was simpler than that)

Originally posted by ianp5a:

You have the better choice for loading it in a new tab OR current tab. Either use CTRL, or the standard Opera "middle click" on "Search" or Go To Page



You nailed it, what surprised me was that in this case the middle click doesn't work! and CTRL isn't easier than dropping and, like I said before, is more intuitive dragging something.

Originally posted by ianp5a:

Unless you have other uses for dragging text?



The other use is to copy, for example, when you want to search something else that isn't selected, ie.: you select opera and drag and drop to the address because you don want to search just opera, you want to search "opera in Roma", so you then can add that. Well that its just one example but the main use is to copy something.

But I have to admit that the solution of Pesala will override the problem a bit.

Thanks smile

21. November 2011, 23:12:17

ianp5a

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Middle click on Search, "Search with" and Go to Web address, all on the context menu, all work for me.

And I'm interested in other uses and you said "copy". You mean copy to clip board? Or what? Copy would be one step in that task. What is the actual task you are trying to achieve.

23. November 2011, 00:38:52

fede011

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I mean copy and paste (without clipboard), but with one movement. Copy and paste have infinite uses, one is what I mentioned before. Not a specific task.

Maybe is because I used to this feature, but I consider it as a great alternative to the typical Opera ways. I wonder why it isn't present in this browser, considering this is almost a standard in browsers. And, why not?

Thanks

23. November 2011, 09:50:30

jay791

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Came here from google search "opera drag text"

I was aware of select, right click, search/goto method.
I agree with fede that dragging is more intuitive. Also that's 33% less clicking. Great optimization wink

Also notice that implementing such behavior is actually just an extension of Opera's behavior. You don't have to replace non-clipboard copy mechanism.
People are different and things that work for some not necessarily work for all. For me the trouble is to locate 'Go to address' menu item. Yes I know there's an icon. Yes I know it's at the bottom. But I have to pause and think about it. Can't just move the text.

To the devs: please please please allow us to drag text around.
I don't know how opera is built inside, but I'm 100% sure this is very easy thing to implement. I've just checked and saw that searchbox and address box accept dropping text onto them. All you have to do is to allow dragging text on the page. We can drag images, so why not text?

23. November 2011, 12:20:50

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-1, I am one of those guys who idly selects text while reading it, and at least in Fx I often trigger the text drag which is really annoying.
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24. November 2011, 20:51:01

ianp5a

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Drag shouldn't occur by accident. And also it can't be a single click solution.

Moving the mouse with left button down is already select, and not drag. To add a new "drag" function, you'd have to release the left button and place it over the selection. You can then left button down to drag it. As you do when editing here. See when you write a posts in this forum as it's already partly available.

Personally I prefer less mouse movement. Using gestures for forward, back, close page etc. all happen with a just twitch of the mouse. Like comparing the movements of a game console joystick to an early helicopter joystick.

25. November 2011, 05:26:21

AllanRockwell

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In order to know what an early helicopter joystick is, i selected these words with my mouse in my right hand, then alt+c with my left hand. I've already set this shortcut to :: Copy & New page & View address bar,2 & Delay,250 & Focus address field & Delay,250 & Paste and go

At first i thought this was a little useless, but now i use it "every minute".
This will also go to a plain text URL or an IP address, and that was my first goal.
Without the second delay i often ended up pasting the clipboard in the speed dial search − which is DuckDuckGo for me rather than Google in my address field. So... that means you could have a shortcut for each search engine by tweaking the delays.
− Hope this helps someone.
Mmm... − I still can't figure out what early helicopter joystick were on computers...

25. November 2011, 06:50:49

ianp5a

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I think it's when you hover the cursor over something.

25. November 2011, 08:07:02

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AllanRockwell: right-click -> "go to web address" does exactly the same thing (go to web address, or search with default search engine), if you want any other search engine there is already right-click -> search with...
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25. November 2011, 13:41:22

AllanRockwell

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Yeah, i know... But I do save a few moves. > select, alt+c; rather than > select, right-click, shift, glance, click.up

25. November 2011, 15:12:07

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Originally posted by AllanRockwell:

shift

only if you have "reuse current tab" set.
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25. November 2011, 15:23:18

AllanRockwell

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Oooo, and then it goes to the foreground too. I can't figure why i had chosen to reuse; anyway this is getting off topic... Thanks.

29. December 2011, 04:22:37

mchipeur

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I like the way the Quickdrag extension works in FF. (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/quickdrag/) I think this is a good reference for functionality.

Maxthon 3 comes with this feature built in. No extension needed.

29. December 2011, 11:18:33

bleicher

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it really is a bad idea. the way it is working now is not interferring with text-selection, drag and drop would. it really is good the way it is. if you think drag&drop all over the screen instead of a short RMB is easier, you are probably MÄC-user, it was your own decision to choose inferior system.
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29. December 2011, 17:54:24

mchipeur

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Thank you bleicher for your well thought out and helpful reply.

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