64bit OPERA Petition !

64bit OPERA Petition !

If you are one of the people who would like to see a 64bit version of mine and yours favorite browser please sign below. Let's see how big is a "minority" of 64bit users.
Win Linux and all others... come on.

I'd like it on both win and linux (and hey... solaris too...).

+1 Opera simply must ve 64bit

Will the team of opera programmer read this wish list and will they do someting for us ??

Everyone please, don't forget the point here.

We don't need 64bit Opera because it would be so much faster. And not (just) because of the omgomg 64b1t pawns 0pera roxx0r ftw factor either. And not to beat IE.

We need 64 bit Opera to be at all ABLE to use Opera on our new 64bit linux. Some distros will let you run i386 code on an amd64 system, and in Gentoo you can emulate 32bit. But for me using Ubuntu (since it's easy to set up for 64bit and SMP which afterall are some benefits of my new CPU (X2) that I want to use), I'm stuck with Firefox or something else. Can't use Opera. <sniff>

0p3r4 64b1t p3t1t10n r0Xx ftW! omglolol wt?! +1

TJ

+1
waiting for a long time...

Another AMD64 linux user hoping for a 64bit Opera.

Under ubuntu for 64 bit I was able to install opera 32 just by forcing it and it worked great. Though Iadmit I never did try installing any plugins.

And...now I'm using Vista x64. Well, at least part time.

Please give us a 64-bit version. I work my Opera so hard these days with sessions of 60+ URLs and 100,000+ mail I would be looking to 64-bit to help improve performance and scalability.

+1

+1

There are only unofficial x64 builds of Firefox. You can beat em to it.

We'll have a 64bit version eventually, so yes, I want it too, ASAP. If we wait for Macromedia to release their 64bit plugins first, maybe Macromedia is waiting for Opera to release a 64bit version of their browser first!

And BTW, I don't care, the Flash plugin doesn't work with the FreeBSD version of Opera, so I don't watch Flash content.

I too would very much like a 64bit version of Opera. Remember if there is no 64bit browser the plug-in providers doesn't have any environment to beta test their 64bit versions... Well they have IE 6.0 but more the merrier.

It would be nice to get rid of the WoW64 32bit emulation layer.

+1

I have installed 2 32 and 64 bit windows but in future I'm going to leave just 64bit system

It would be sad if Opera Software would be pushed into porting Opera to a 64-bit systems just because certain users have bought a 64-bit CPU without really knowing what it means. I highly doubt that Opera will run faster in a 64-bit port.

Will Opera make use of 64-bit address length? No.
Will Opera make use of the 32 extra bits for arithmetics? Probably not.

Why do you then think it'll be faster?

Originally posted by minisu:

It would be sad if Opera Software would be pushed into porting Opera to a 64-bit systems just because certain users have bought a 64-bit CPU without really knowing what it means. I highly doubt that Opera will run faster in a 64-bit port.

Why was 32-bit ports faster compared to 16-bit back in early 90's while 32-bit 386 ran 16-bit programs?

Originally posted by minisu:

Will Opera make use of 64-bit address length? No.
Will Opera make use of the 32 extra bits for arithmetics? Probably not.

Why not?
Why not?

Noone is saying that Opera will work much faster but the 64bit computers are near future

Originally posted by minisu:

Why do you then think it'll be faster?

Because one of Operas team members said so? Even if not all of the program would benefit, it's still worth it.

Originally posted by yngve:

Most of Opera does not really need the capabilities that a 64 bit architecture offer, 32 bit works just fine. The functionality that will probably benefit most is the encryption code.

Originally posted by minisu:

It would be sad if Opera Software would be pushed into porting Opera to a 64-bit systems just because certain users have bought a 64-bit CPU without really knowing what it means.

Sheesh. We're well aware that most of the code would not benefit, but as I mentioned there are parts that definately would. So you can stop being insulting, since you're only ending up looking stupid.

Originally posted by Seawolf:

Originally posted by minisu:

It would be sad if Opera Software would be pushed into porting Opera to a 64-bit systems just because certain users have bought a 64-bit CPU without really knowing what it means.

Sheesh. We're well aware that most of the code would not benefit, but as I mentioned there are parts that definately would. So you can stop being insulting, since you're only ending up looking stupid.

I'm sorry if you were feeling hit. I was refering to those certain users that's pushing something they don't understand. No offence to them neither, I just think it would be sad.

Anyway, it's correct that the en/decryption speed would benefit. But overall most wouldn't notice any difference even when surfing secure pages, and I still think it is a kind of pointless to haste.

I don't see how this makes me look stupid really...

Because you're insulting a bunch of people based on a fallacy.

Most people who actually use x64 know exactly what they're into. And there are benefits to AMD64 that aren't definite for x86 (such as SSE2 being standard, extra registers on both normal and SSE2 code) that could benefit program speed in other areas. Even though it may not be an incredible difference, it would be a good thing to have. Eventually, 64 bit will be all we have, and when Vista shows up the adoption rate for x64 will jump significantly.

Do we need the capabilities now? Maybe not, but technological advancement is what this industry is built on. If we used the capabilities, our applications would be able to do more (even if they won't necessarily show that right away.)

When it comes to new tech, if you just sit around and wait for someone else to do it first, you don't get anywhere.

I agree with Seawolf +1

Maybe we shouldn't call this a wish but demand.

Like for Zeta/Yellow Tab?

what is the problem, the 32 works well on winxp 64 so why complicate, maybe a fat binary if windows would suport that...

Originally posted by tian2992:

what is the problem, the 32 works well on winxp 64 so why complicate, maybe a fat binary if windows would suport that...

I think THIS issue was argued already... Why to IMPROVE anything if something runs already?

Maybe there is no need for Opera 9 - 8ht works fine?

Originally posted by assassin_:

Maybe there is no need for Opera 9 - 8ht works fine?

That's just silly

Originally posted by olmari:

Originally posted by tian2992:

what is the problem, the 32 works well on winxp 64 so why complicate, maybe a fat binary if windows would suport that...

I think THIS issue was argued already... Why to IMPROVE anything if something runs already?

No this is silly.

Originally posted by assassin_:

No this is silly.

Ditto =)

If Opera wants to be the 1st browser then this is priority

Originally posted by assassin_:

Maybe there is no need for Opera 9 - 8ht works fine?

It so does...aptly put

As you can see in my sig, I have a 64-bit desktop with both WinXPx64 and FC5-x86-64, and while the 32-bit Opera runs fine on both, it'd really be nice to get it in 64 as well.

I'm sure that a 64-bit browser could be engineered that uses 32-bit plugins. ALWIL Software was able to make an anti-virus that had parts that were 64-bit, and parts that were 32-bit. Opera could use a 32-bit plugin interface, and have a 64-bit core.

It would be possible I'm sure, but take a lot of 'interesting' code to work out, heh. Would probably be more work than they'd want to put into it.

Originally posted by Seawolf:

It would be possible I'm sure, but take a lot of 'interesting' code to work out, heh. Would probably be more work than they'd want to put into it.

Probably. But it could be fun too...

Bring it......

I also want Opera to go 64Bit.

But why are you all discussing whether doin' Opera 64Bit or not?
Makin' it 64Bit is not as difficult as you all apperantly think:

For most linux programs you can get not just the binary, but also the sources.
When there is just an i386 binary, you take the source and compile it with an 64bit box.

Why not doing this with Opera?

Opera programmers made the source and compiled it to an i386 binary and published it.
It would be the same procedure for 64bit, except you have to compile it with an 64bit machine.
You don't have to do all the work again with 64bits, you just have to make a new binary for amd64 or whatever.
When you have the source, you can compile the program for ANY architecture.

What do you think how the firefox-guys did this?
They made ONE sourcecode and made binarys for (almost) all architectures from it.

I know, Opera is not open-source, but unless they publish the source code, they have to compile the source for any other architecture then i386 themselves.

And now another point:
Today I swiched from Ubuntu "Breezy" i386 to "Dapper" amd64, and couldn't find any 64Bit Binary for Opera. That's also why I am here now. The Topic is NOT whether making Opera run 64Bit or not. The Topic is making EVERYONE able to use Opera on i386 or x86_64 or whatever. It's a pity, that some users here think, that Opera shouldn't be made available for x86_64. Everyone should be able to use it, even on x86_64.

Opera Developers? Please release a 64Bit binary! I don't want to use this d**n Firefox any longer. Thanks :-)

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I don't have a 64 bit machine but that is because Opera's 64 bit version is not out yet

It is not the same procedure all of the time, please understand that in certain cases the code does have to be altered in order for a program that was built with 32bit processing in mind it really depends on the program. The same is true for smp [multi processor] systems the kernel and the programs that run on it in certain cases have to be modified in order to account for the extra processor. You may even encounter instances where programs have code that works perfectly fine in a single processor environment that does not work properly in a multi processor environment. The need to modify or rewrite code really depends on what the program does and how it does it.

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Hello, my first post here.

I would like to see Opera for the 64bit platform, as I run an x86_64 version of Linux...Fedora Core 5, to be specific.
I had been using Firefox, but apparently it decided to quit displaying many websites. I have had to depend on Konqueror, which I do not like. Opera seems to be a better alternative and I like its performance, just getting use to the interface, as it is different than all others. There are a few things about its functions that I do not like, but able to live with.
It would be nice to get away from the "Mozilla" browsers for a while, as there are a few major issues I have , that have not been resolved in several of the latest releases...way too many IMHO!

+1

I have an AMD64 bit system and just built another one for a relative. Both are running Debian testing. I too would like to see Opera available in amd64. I would even be OK if I had to compile it myself. As long as I could put it on my computer. I think that as many newer computers are the 64 bit architecture is just makes sense to be able to offer it. Right now since I am using a testing version of Debian not all of the packages are available like the ia32libs which would allow me to use a 32 bit Opera. I have compiled other programs so that they would work, but for now I am using Firefox and I really miss Opera... My most missed feature is how it remembers where you were your last session. That way you don't have to bookmark everything or create more paper waste. Please start to offer AMD64 OPERA!!!!!

Originally posted by Alica:

Report post | PermalinkReport post | PermalinkThursday, 22. December 2005, 06:35:35AlicaXDRegistered: Sep 2005Location: 台灣Posts: 210PM: The main problem is the 64-bit browser cannot use 32-bit plug-ins, including Flash, Adobe Reader, QuickTime etc. Unless these plug-in vendors provide 64-bit version of their plug-ins, a bare 64-bit browser is quite useless.Mozilla doesn't have their browser shipped in 64-bit officially, either.Quote | Quick QuoteReport post | PermalinkReport post | PermalinkThursday, 22. December 2005, 12:06:21burnout426Registered: Apr 2003Location: Vertiform CityPosts: 2939PM: Originally posted by Alica:The main problem is the 64-bit browser cannot use 32-bit plug-ins, including Flash, Adobe Reader, QuickTime etc. Unless these plug-in vendors provide 64-bit version of their plug-ins, a bare 64-bit browser is quite useless.Good point. We better get a 64bit version so vendors have a reason to provide 64bit plugins.

x64 IE sure beats x86 IE though.

+1 for Opera x64! Don't forget us minorities.

To the following people:

Originally posted by minisu:

It would be sad if Opera Software would be pushed into porting Opera to a 64-bit systems just because certain users have bought a 64-bit CPU without really knowing what it means. I highly doubt that Opera will run faster in a 64-bit port.

Will Opera make use of 64-bit address length? No.
Will Opera make use of the 32 extra bits for arithmetics? Probably not.

Why do you then think it'll be faster?

Originally posted by porneL:

Can someone explain to me what real, noticeable benefit 64-bit version gives? Besides being cool, trendy and "OMFG!!11 64bitzz!!!"?

Page rendering doesn't need 64bit arithmetic, doesn't need more than 4GB of ram. It might be tad faster due to few extra registers x86-64 offers, but it may as well be bigger (and bigger means slower, because less fits in cache) because of 64-bit data types and alignment.

Originally posted by tian2992:

what is the problem, the 32 works well on winxp 64 so why complicate, maybe a fat binary if windows would suport that...

Originally posted by illiad:

ugh... this '64bit-ness' is playing out like the current enthusiasm in the hifi world for HDTV,
HDDVD, Bluray, and gold cables....

I think we need to take a step back, and wait for it to 'actually happen' and seperate PR
from whether it makes sense in reality..

Is it really worth pushing two products, both effectively the same, but with different plugin
requirements, to run on the same OS, especially when one market is barely mature yet??

It is the same with HDTV - it is being pushed like crazy, yet there is nothing 'real' to show on it yet...

or to go back to when PCI was very new, it performance was equal or less than the old bus slot
- it took time, and processor enhancements, to show it was actually far better...

I will repeat this one more time: The users of 64-bit operating systems are likely to know what they are doing and what they are getting into. However, in order to continue the endeavors, we need Opera's help. I for one am sick of using Firefox on Ubuntu and using the WoW layer on Win XP x64. 64 bit operating systems are BUILT TO RUN 64 BIT PROGRAMS.

What's the point of x64 if we don't have our favorite programs in that mode? If you guys are so against change and progress, go back and use Windows 3.x. Play with 16 bit computing, and have fun. It works, right? Why improve, right? Since it's only for techies? Apparently you guys aren't techies (as we can tell from your lack of knowledge), so why are you using 32-bit computers? Wasn't 16 bit just as adequate?

As for the Opera team, I applaud the recent improvements, but I'd like to be able to use them

Originally posted by OriginXT:

What's the point of x64 if we don't have our favorite programs in that mode?
As for the Opera team, I applaud the recent improvements, but I'd like to be able to use them

chmod who=arwe /64bit.opera

It's the old chicken-egg problem.
No 64bit browser because of missing plugins.
No plugins because of missing 64bit broser.

So just start build one, the plugin devellopers will follow!

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when 64bit OSes are a 'standard windows install', it may be a lot better...

- the *good* news is DELL is doing AMD in september, so it may be getting there!!!!

I think the basic problem is the low amount of XP x64 users in general. I would suspect the 'chicken and egg' situation will get a lot less 'balanced' once Vista shows up, since (supposedly) so many more people will have access to the 64 bit version without buying another copy.

I know a lot of techies who didn't bother with XP x64, even though quite a few did. Vista x64 itself will include more 64 bit apps (such as WMP11) that are 32 bit so far in XP x64.

I'm just waiting to see how the six months after Vistas release play out. I suspect it'll change things considerably.

Count me in. I'm going to buy 64bit machine soon, so if Opera wouldn't work natively I'll be forced to use FF.

Originally posted by Ramunas:

I'm going to buy 64bit machine soon

and I'm going to buy one today ... and also allready leeched bought Win XP x64 edition

I think youre getting stuck in the stereotype, Ramunas... it will all work, it is the hardware quality that will decide the rest...

at the moment, 64-bit is *very young*, so it will take a long time for it mature... does anyone remember the VESA bus-slot??
- and then the PCI bus was released.. everyone said it was 'expensive, pointless, VESA much better, etc, etc...'
- and then CPU speeds got a *lot* faster, motherboards a lot more complex, and PCI then trashed anything VESA could do...

then there was AGP, quickly killed by PCI-E... - of course made no problem for software, the change from 16 to 32 bits was done ages ago, when there was a lot more money about... not so today, bad news for small companies like opera...

have a look at the 64 vs 32 bit review... - the figures are not fantastically different... if they were, it would make more sense to invest....


so realistically, after 64bit hardware is 'entry-level' it would need a great increase in CPU *and* hardware speed (mostly faster cheaper graphics!), to increase that gap, and make it worth it...

- can the motherboard slots be made any faster???