Upgraded to 11.6 and "File, Edit, View" bar is messed up

Everything else is fine, as usual, but my "File, Edit, View" bar is messed up, as you can see in the photo. I upgraded to this version on my other computer without issues so not sure what this is about. Same skin, same upgrade, same Windows 7, etc.



Screenshot

Hello There,

I have exactly the same problem, using vista home
thanks

Well, for now, rolling back to 11.52. Hopefully they'll fix it.

I was Win 7, SP1, 32 bit as well.

"Looks like they released 11.60 with this major bug?"

Looks like it. I'm not impressed

Originally posted by bjdobson:

I upgraded to this version on my other computer without issues so not sure what this is about.

You guys are not the only one's with this issue, I have seen it reported elsewhere too, but I don't see the issue either. I wonder what the common factor is?

Originally posted by andybkma:

Seems to be skin specific. If I use the "Opera 9 Standard Skin for 10.50" skin then the menu bar is screwed up just like the screenshot in the original post. However if I select the "My Classic Opera Skin 10 Turbo" then the menu bar is fine. It may be just a case of us using older skins that are not compatible with Opera 11.60.........

Ah, now that would make sense. I hope that's all it is. If so, maybe I can get the person who made the skin I use to fix it!!!

This sounds like an issue with skins that don't have transparency. Are you guys still seeing the Windows Title bar if you disable the top menu and use the Opera button menu?

Sigh, "Windows Native"-imitating skin became a casualty again. Any ideas?

I'd like to know why Opera has to screw with the things that affect skins when it does upgrades. Surely they can do upgrades without messing with the stuff that affects the skins, can't they? Ugh!!!!!!

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

I upgraded to this version on my other computer without issues so not sure what this is about.

You guys are not the only one's with this issue, I have seen it reported elsewhere too, but I don't see the issue either. I wonder what the common factor is?

Actually, I was wrong. I hadn't upgraded the other computer so it happens on both of them. Must be a skin thing, though, from what I gather.

Here's how the Opera button bounces down when you hover over the panels toggle (or whatever it's called these days).

Same with me xp 32 bit but ok with win 7 64 bit btw no matter what skin I use on xp it's rubbish.

It does appear to be if you try to use any skin other than "default" that this bug crops up. Annoying since the default skin is from a usability standpoint with all the dark buttons on darker background (thanks to the idiotic transparency). ALMOST as annoying as the skin of these forums with all the fonts declared in a uselessly undersized PX sending people diving for the zoom. (WCAG guys, READ IT, UNDERSTAND IT)... probably JUST as annoying as the stupid "Let's space the buttons so far apart we could add more buttons between them" idiocy that has plagued Opera ever since you hired that art **** to do the skins. (one of the reasons I use a modded version of "Windows Standard" in the first place!)

Sad when the current appearance makes Opera 7 look attractive and tasteful.

I tell ya, if there was a alternative that had all the things I've come accustomed to being built in, I'd have jumped to a webkit based browser by now.

Ampersand problem solved many days ago. You must go to Tools --> Preferences --> Advanced --> Fonts --> Browser menu --> here you have to change fonts (Courier was ok for me) or size (above 20 is ok) or both. It do not depend on the skin you use.
Enjoy
Best regards
Albert

Originally posted by albert-one:

Ampersand problem solved many days ago. You must go to Tools --> Preferences --> Advanced --> Fonts --> Browser menu --> here you have to change fonts (Courier was ok for me) or size (above 20 is ok) or both. It do not depend on the skin you use.
Enjoy
Best regards
Albert

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used size 20 and it's good for me!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by albert-one:

Ampersand problem solved many days ago. You must go to Tools --> Preferences --> Advanced --> Fonts --> Browser menu --> here you have to change fonts (Courier was ok for me) or size (above 20 is ok) or both. It do not depend on the skin you use.

Does Jack here -- win7... tried arial, verdana, courier... absolutely useless. It ALMOST looks like it would work at like font-size 40, but then there's like 2" / 160 pixels between teh menu items with tools and help pushed clear off the screen.

Though it seems no matter what I set the font-face to, it doesn't actually use it, all it does is change the size, not the face.

This is almost as bad as the currently broken profile-view tabs. (since with widescreens on the plate wasting vertical space on tabs across the top is just stupid).

Changing the font from Segoe to Courier worked for most menus (File, Edit, View etc.) but not for "Window" - this is still bungled. What's different about this one?

This is what my menu bar looks like now and everything else is perfectly fine. I switched to the size 20 font and it's fine with me.



Screen shot

Originally posted by bjdobson:

This is what my menu bar looks like now and everything else is perfectly fine. I switched to the size 20 font and it's fine with me. :yes: :D

I see - you don't even have a "Window" menu. ;-)

Well, I do, and here it's the only one not displaying properly while all the others are.

My setting now is Courier size 9 - when I increased the size, not the menu bar text grew, but the text of the displayed web page. Is this supposed to happen?

Originally posted by Alto.Speckhardt:

I see - you don't even have a "Window" menu. ;-)

What menu are you referring to???

Can you give me a screen shot please?

I have that menu, plus my "quick links" to other sites, plus my tabs plus my menu that shows me what page I'm on but didn't figure you needed to see all that because it displays fine.

Let's see if this helps:

Screen shot

Originally posted by bjdobson:

What menu are you referring to???
Can you give me a screen shot please?

I'll try (never done this before):



... anything? ;-)

I have that menu, plus my "quick links" to other sites, plus my tabs plus my menu that shows me what page I'm on but didn't figure you needed to see all that because it displays fine.

No, that was quite correct: I'm really talking about the menu bar, nothing else.

Come to think of it, I might have re-enabled the Window-menu myself after it vanished some updates ago. I can't stand tabs, so every once in a while I need this menu to see whether one has creeped up on me again.

Ah, so the word "Windows" is messed up. I'm using Windows 7 and have eight or so tabs open at once. I don't have a "windows" in my menu bar. Not sure why you do? What version of Windows are you running? Maybe it has to do with an antivirus or some sort of security system you have? I'm not sure. It's always been "file, edit, view, bookmarks, tools, help" for me.

What version of Windows are you running?

That's Windows 7 with "Glass" enabled. If "Glass" is disabled or if Opera is running on Windows XP, I don't have these problems, since then I can use the native skin of Opera which doesn't show this behaviour.

Maybe it has to do with an antivirus or some sort of security system you have?

No, that's pretty much out of the question. The machines I tried this on are set up quite differently.

It's always been "file, edit, view, bookmarks, tools, help" for me.

As mentioned, I believe I had to "edit back in" this menu in the config file at one point. What is not logical to me at all is that I don't have to repeat this edit with every update, while I do have to repeat other edits (like removing the whole "open in new tab" crap, each and every time again :-( )

Yet, I've just checked the file (standard_menu.ini in folder \ui) and the Window-menu has a definition like every other menu, nothing special there at all. I don't understand why it behaves different from the others.

Originally posted by Alto.Speckhardt:

That's Windows 7 with "Glass" enabled. If "Glass" is disabled or if Opera is running on Windows XP, I don't have these problems, since then I can use the native skin of Opera which doesn't show this behaviour.

So are you saying I'm running glass or not? Oh, yeah, I AM running Icon Packager but don't know if that matters or not.

Every time there is an update, I don't have to change anything with a few exceptions, this one being one of them. This is maybe twice I've had to mess with the skin or settings. Otherwise, everything else stays the same and consistent every time.

I'm also running Windows 7 32 bit not 64 bit, if that matters?

Originally posted by bjdobson:

So are you saying I'm running glass or not?

No idea. Sorry, I was talking about my setup, not yours. :-)

Every time there is an update, I don't have to change anything with a few exceptions, this one being one of them. This is maybe twice I've had to mess with the skin or settings. Otherwise, everything else stays the same and consistent every time.

At some time in Opera history someone decided that Tabs were a splendid idea, worthy to supersede any other way of using Opera. Since then, with every update it has been harder to use Opera without Tabs, until today there is quite a bit of effort necessary to do so.

With every update, I have to spend serious time just to make Opera work as it did before the update. Yet I don't like to avoid the update because there might just be some security update that is advisable to apply.

But that's a different story.

Ah, you don't want to use multiple tabs. That would make life more difficult. I love multiple tabs, which is unusual because I normally HATE change but this one I liked.

I hope you can find a solution.

Back to topic: to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands only when using non-standard themes - there's a workaround: you just need to open the skin .zip file, open skin.ini file in it, and in [Menu Button Skin] section change values "Padding Left" and "Padding Right" both to value 8. Then pack the modified skin.ini file back to .zip, and reload the skin.

And yes, we're working on it.

Originally posted by alex-shpak:

Back to topic: to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands only when using non-standard themes - there's a workaround: you just need to open the skin .zip file, open skin.ini file in it, and in [Menu Button Skin] section change values "Padding Left" and "Padding Right" both to value 8. Then pack the modified skin.ini file back to .zip, and reload the skin.

That DOES NOT WORK for the skin about which I started this topic.

Originally posted by albert-one:

Ampersand problem solved many days ago. You must go to Tools --> Preferences --> Advanced --> Fonts --> Browser menu --> here you have to change fonts (Courier was ok for me) or size (above 20 is ok) or both. It do not depend on the skin you use.
Enjoy
Best regards
Albert

This, so far, is the ONLY solution that works with the Shadowguard2 skin I'm using.

Thank you, again, Albert-one!!!

Y.W. :-)
Albert

Originally posted by alex-shpak:

Back to topic: to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands [...]

Working just fine here, thank you very much for the hint!

Originally posted by alex-shpak:

to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands only when using non-standard themes - there's a workaround: you just need to open the skin .zip file, open skin.ini file in it, and in [Menu Button Skin] section change values "Padding Left" and "Padding Right" both to value 8. Then pack the modified skin.ini file back to .zip, and reload the skin.

And yes, we're working on it.

Upgraded to 11.61, did this and it worked. Key is to REPACK IT INTO THE ZIP FILE, extract then reload the skin.

Worked like a charm. Thank you!!!!!!

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• Ampersands on main menu in WinXP with Zune Theme

Originally posted by alex-shpak:

Back to topic: to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands only when using non-standard themes - there's a workaround: you just need to open the skin .zip file, open skin.ini file in it, and in [Menu Button Skin] section change values "Padding Left" and "Padding Right" both to value 8. Then pack the modified skin.ini file back to .zip, and reload the skin.

And yes, we're working on it.

I have been looking all over for this solution/workaround. Thank you, Alex

Here is some ideas/hints/message to EVERYONE, whether they are experiencing the specific "Ampersands" issue or not. I have found that Alex's advice on changing the Padding values works for BOTH Standard and Non-Standard skins. So far: ANY skin with which I have had problems, those I am in the process of creating or skins I have been trying to fix, changing the Padding values fixes a lot of problems.

One does NOT NEED TO CHANGE THE FONTS or Font Size. There could be other variables involved and like bjdobson found out here:

Originally posted by bjdobson:

Upgraded to 11.61, did this and it worked. Key is to REPACK IT INTO THE ZIP FILE, extract then reload the skin.

Worked like a charm. Thank you!!!!!!

you must Re-Pack the EDITED "skin.ini" file back into the Skin ZIP file in order for it to work. ANY font or font size I wish to use is available.

Therefore, the "Ampersands" problem and those related to it -- i.e. "Fonts" -- are NOT necessarily skin specific, RATHER it is the declaration of certain values in the "skin.ini" file that can both cause and correct problems. You can use ANY skin you want.

Sure wish this info was in the "Intro to Skinning" tutorial. Maybe someone will update it or write an more in-depth tutorial.

Originally posted by alex-shpak:

Back to topic: to those of you experiencing issues with ampersands only when using non-standard themes - there's a workaround: you just need to open the skin .zip file, open skin.ini file in it, and in [Menu Button Skin] section change values "Padding Left" and "Padding Right" both to value 8. Then pack the modified skin.ini file back to .zip, and reload the skin.

And yes, we're working on it.

Thanks, ALEX!!! The Menu Bar ampersand thing was driving me batty! It works.
I exited Opera, found the skin.ini for the skin (theme) I used, edited, then resaved, readded file to zip and then reloaded Opera. PRESTO!