11.6 Feeds: how to hide "subject area" and get vertical space back?

Link to screenshot
In 11.6 there's appeared an area, outlined in red, with the message subject. How to hide this area?
Thanks!

Also how to set: from - to - attachments - date and pin message in one line? It takes to much space...



Maybe where is any way to get back previous version mail layout?

Maybe everybody else is using Opera with monitor in Portrait mode?

There's webfeeds.html, mail.css and mime.css in the ui folder in Opera's program files folder. There may be some css in one of them that you can mess with (restart Opera afterwards) There's also the skin that you can edit.

But, if things are that bad, you should push to get things changed by default.

I would also like to get rid of the message header area, or at least make it *a lot* smaller (like maybe the size of the tab bar).
The current way may be OK for the side-by-side layout, but it's an inexcusable waste of vertical space in "message below the list" layout.
What's also bad is that it's not scrollable, it's always there, and scrolling the mouse while over it scrolls the message list, not the message view (at least in Linux).

Someone mentioned widgets.yaml in the comments of
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2011/11/07/mail-goes-two-lined-and-grouped?startidx=100#comments
Maybe there's a way to somehow improve the situation until the Opera devs fix this?

Originally posted by alex_sh:

Someone mentioned widgets.yaml

For the feed subject text size, you probably have to add font-rel-size: size (like 120 or 100) to the file on a line by itself somewhere around the "skin-image: Mail Window Feed Item Header Texts" area. Don't know.

For the other parts, you problem have to add/change top-margin and bottom-margin lines and set them to a low number (like 5 or less). Not sure.

I managed to improve the situation somewhat by inserting
hidden: true
after the following line:
skin-image: Mail Window Feed Item Header Texts

Sure, it hides some additional info, but that info is there in the message list already, so I don't really need it.
I had no luck getting the font-rel-size, margins or paddings to work.

I´m also struggling to get the old look back and wasted a lot of time...

It´s possible to set "hidden: true" to the "- <<: *MailSubjectLabel" part above "Mail Window Feed Item Header Texts". But it doesn´t seem possible to set "font-rel-size". I guess a value cannot be overridden from the inherited part "MailSubjectLabel".

Try font-size instead. I'm gonna mess with this myself to see what I can find.

I too struggle with the latest changes I really preferred it with previous version that feeds were on one line and you had headers you could click to change how you wanted to sort things.

They also seem to have changed how zoom function within a feed, so when you change to another subject within same feed the zoom turns back to default

Is there a way to return to previous version of opera or make changes myself? Otherwise I guess I will change to Chrome+standalone feed reader I guess

Edit:

Ok another thread gave me this which solved most except the zoom problem:

opera:config _ mail _ Mail View Two Lined Messages
to 0.

No luck with font-size either. But I found out, not to use tabs instead of spaces: The whole lower part is empty when you do =)

I'm still playing around with it. I am able to change the font-size of the autho by putting font-rel-size: 200 and font-weight: bold under hl_Author, but that's it.

I tried putting padding: 0 and margin: 0 in all kinds of places, but no luck

I noticed that you can use "font-weight: italic" for "- <<: *MailSubjectLabel". The result is that the label isn´t bold anymore, so apparently the inherited setting is overridden, but strange enough it´s only plain and not italic.

When I change font-rel-size for "- &MailSubjectLabel", the font size changes when I "Read Mail", but not for "Read Feeds". So, the font-size for the feed label isn´t inherited after all. Has to be another position where this is defined. And perhaps, it isn´t changeable at all...

Note for interested parties:
- there's a 'Titles' setting in Pref > Fonts to customize the feed subject header
- if you are adventurous, you can work with mime.css and widgets.yaml
- the medium term plan is to make the entire message scrollable, so including the headers
- there are no plans for adding back the 'put multiple headers on a single line' customization feature from before

Also, you might want to, you know, try out this new 'two-lined' feature with the list on the left and messages on the right

Originally posted by Rijk:

- there's a 'Titles' setting in Pref > Fonts to customize the feed subject header

Thanks!

Thanks! Changing the "titles" font from size 24 to 12 looks a little bit better, but there is still a lot of wasted space around it.

Originally posted by larsen25:

there is still a lot of wasted space around it.

That's called "padding", and meant to make things easier to read

To confuse matters (sorry about that), that padding is defined in the skin. See the section [Mail Window Feed Item Header Texts] in skin.ini. The widgets.yaml file refers to "Mail Window Feed Item Header Texts" as an interface element to use, and how that interface element looks (background, colors, etc, and also padding) is defined in the skin.

Where is option edit headers and set all of them in one line? This option removed I think... Also there is no way to place reply, forward, read, spam, delete line to the top, now its in the middle of screen. Hate this new features...

Originally posted by ennio-tomas:

Also there is no way to place reply, forward, read, spam, delete line to the top, now its in the middle of screen.

Just hold the shift key and drag the icons to the top bar. Then right click on the middle bar > customize > remove from toolbar

Originally posted by Words:

Originally posted by ennio-tomas:

Also there is no way to place reply, forward, read, spam, delete line to the top, now its in the middle of screen.

Just hold the shift key and drag the icons to the top bar. Then right click on the middle bar > customize > remove from toolbar

Not only buttons but whole line. For top line I set: images and text on the right and for second line images and text below. In previous version I was able to do this.

Originally posted by ennio-tomas:

Also how to set: from - to - attachments - date and pin message in one line? It takes to much space...



Maybe where is any way to get back previous version mail layout?

Bump

Originally posted by Rijk:

there's a 'Titles' setting in Pref > Fonts to customize the feed subject header

BIG help!!

Originally posted by Rijk:

That's called "padding", and meant to make things easier to read

Not funny! Definitely NOT when you are trying to use Opera Mail with a Netbook.

I never understand why you first buy a bigger screen and then the new space is "utilized" by more and more white space (aka padding). I don't want stylish looks but USABILITY.

Do you ever test your developments on smaller screens? The latest changes to Opera Mail layout are a pain in the ass there.

If have disabled ALL tool bars to get more vertical space, but the subject header (with from and to, which cannot be configure to share the same line) eats up at least 100 of my 600 available pixels. Even if i disable every checkbox for the header, the damned Pin button, which I never need and cannot be disabled stays and the thing is eating up a big amount of space. Plus all the "nice" padding around. Any you cannot disable the whole panel too.

In previous Opera mail versions, it was possible to configure this very nicely and compact. This has been removed completely now. Why? This is a big step backwards.

Originally posted by Starmaster:

I don't want stylish looks but USABILITY.

Full ack!

With the mad rush to tablets, etc, you have to wonder why Opera is running in the opposite direction. The old options were fine. What is the need to remove them and give less flexibility?

Originally posted by Rijk:

That's called "padding", and meant to make things easier to read

Originally posted by Starmaster:

Not funny! Definitely NOT when you are trying to use Opera Mail with a Netbook.

I second this.
I have a macbook - 1280x800 pixels only.

the side-by-side view is unusable on this screen, especially with the sidebar open (as it always is, on the mail tab)

the list-above-message view is made much worse by the non-scrolling gigantic message header bar.
it takes up as much vertical screen space as 5 lines of messages, ffs. I had (& have) 4 or 5 messages visible in the list above, with the message below, which *used* to leave enough room to actually see most messages. now, nope.

Also, the mail & feed sorting is broken - new messages appear at the wrong end of the list.

Are you only testing on a 30" 2560x1600 screen or something?

Lots of testing was done on a 13" laptop, with a 1376*768 screen. Mostly with 'message on the right' layout though. Note that you can quickly show and hide the sidebar using F4 to gain some space.

As said above, we'll be working on making the headers (and quick reply) part of the scrollable area in the future. The idea that more padding is by definition just 'silly styling' is false though, usability does not equal cramming as much information as possible onto a limited number of pixels. It is unfortunate that there's a sorting bug when you disable grouping, because you are very likely do disable the grouping if you use the 'message below' layout on a smallish screen.

Padding may increase usability for big screens. But it *severely* harms usability for small screens. Else nobody would complain here.

To suit both, there should be a way to get rid of padding. I like(d) Opera because until now *I* was the one to decide what I prefer. I don't want to be nannied by the software!

you can quickly show and hide the sidebar using F4 to gain some space.

Or, if you're a mouse user, goto "shift + f12 -> panels" and check "show panel toggle at edge of widow". Then, one can do the same as F4 by left-clicking the panel toggle strip at the edge of the screen. I absolute love the panel toggle strip. I use it all the time. And, I'm so use to it that I do it involuntarily and fast to the point that it's almost as if it automatically reads my mind.

Originally posted by Rijk:

Lots of testing was done on a 13" laptop, with a 1376*768 screen. Mostly with 'message on the right' layout though.

I can see how the horizontal layout would be another story altogether. And I agree that the use of whitespace can be a very positive thing when done right. One of the new versions of Opera, probably a 12 snapshot since it installed in a new folder, came pre - set up with the horizontal layout, and while I have to say it is very attractive and appealing, to me it is the epitome of inefficiency. But then, I feel that way about letterbox layouts and screens in general. I wonder, has anyone done any research into preferences between horizontal and vertical layouts?

Originally posted by Rijk:

Lots of testing was done on a 13" laptop, with a 1376*768 screen.

a little wider than mine, then

Mostly with 'message on the right' layout though. Note that you can quickly show and hide the sidebar using F4 to gain some space.

which kinda defeats the purpose of having it open in the first place - glance across to check for new mail & feeds & usenet messages

As said above, we'll be working on making the headers (and quick reply) part of the scrollable area in the future. The idea that more padding is by definition just 'silly styling' is false though, usability does not equal cramming as much information as possible onto a limited number of pixels. It is unfortunate that there's a sorting bug when you disable grouping, because you are very likely do disable the grouping if you use the 'message below' layout on a smallish screen.

well, yeah. List beside message doesn't fit with the sidebar open (and i don't want to have to close the sidebar every time i'm trying to read messages - i'd be opening it 3 or 4 times every time i read mail to switch between newsgroups & inbox), list above means no grouping makes sense, but list above is wrecked in that case by both the sorting bug and the un-scrollable headers and enormous whitespace.
i already changed the setting to make messages full-width (which was another problem), but the header bar (and sorting) is still a PITA

I posted some solutions for these problems yesterday. I gained about 5 lines by removing the pin, reducing the padding and hiding the toolbar.
I only found this thread today, or I would have posted it here.

Tim