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What happened to the address bar in 11.60?
In 11.52 if you typed in the address bar you would get a drop down list of matching bookmarks and below that a list of history items. You would also get links under the different sections to expand them further as well as search. There were also bookmark and history icons beside each result to easily see what the item was. It's completely different now in 11.60 and not an improvement at all. Is this a bug or is it a new "feature" and is it possible to change it back to the way it worked in 11.52?The new drop-down list seems like a big step back.
Not only does it make the google (or whatever search/ad) results much more similar-looking to the "real" results, it also shifts the balance largely towards the "artificial" search results/suggestions. 4 (useless) search suggestions, some of which even appear twice(?!), and 6 "real" results from bookmarks/history? No me gusta
I use a VERY clean interface with Opera (just tabs/address bar, nothing else), and always liked how you could use the address bar to quickly access - among everything else - bookmarks, by placing certain keywords in their name/description. So if I type "indie", I get all indie games, game developer studios, and pay-what-you-want bundle bookmarks. If I then continue to add "game", only the indie game site results remain. If instead I continued to type "bundle", I would get my indie bundle websites, etc etc. Sort of like a quick tag filtering system for bookmarks, without opening the bookmarks panel, or having some extra toolbar open.
While this still works - technically - it is largely useless now with the smaller number of meaningful entries, offset against the pointless search suggestions. If I wanted to search, I would've just hit enter and let my default search engine do the rest (including making suggestions).
The previous address bar behavior was part of why I loved Opera so much. The "update" seems more like a feature found on Internet Explorer. To me, it seems to convey a messages along the lines of "Our users are too stupid to know what they want. Let's suggest things for them, so they don't need to perform the painful task of thinking."
But, for me, the biggest gripe with the new popdown list, has to be the removal of the previous interface handling.
Why did you do that? It boggles the mind.
No more right-click on the list entries? No advanced options? Just click it or die? Whyyyyy?! *insert theatrical knee fall and scream here*
Maybe I would like to open this list entry in a new background tab. Maybe I would like to do this, or that, or ANYTHING. Nope, not any longer.
This new behavior becomes especially annoying when combined with my preferred method of accessing bookmarks, as described above. The new "balance" in the list would be a minor inconvenience if it had been the only change. But combined, this really makes my system crumble.
To stick with the indie game example:
I type "indie bun"[dle] into my address bar, which is already enough to trigger the desired filter - displaying the indie game bundle sites I like to visit frequently, to check for new offers.
Here is where the new update brings a certain bodily fluid to a boil - i cannot middle-click-open-in-background them all anymore. I can decide to left-click, opening one of the bookmarks, and losing what I entered, or ... well, that's the only option I have now. This is really stupid. If I want to check on all those bundle sites, I would have to make a new tab, re-enter (or paste, if copied) the text, and then choose a new entry from the list. That would take even longer than opening the bookmarks [panel, bar, whatever], navigating them, probably opening a folder or two, and opening the links the "common" way - which is what I wanted to avoid from the beginning by using my method.
A quick workaround for this was to put those bookmarks into a folder, and giving that folder a nickname. That way, I can still access (and open) all of those bookmarks by typing something short - BUT - this will always open all of the grouped links, which might not be what I intended. Also, it requires to specifically set up groups of links to work that way, and doesn't work for loose collections somewhere within your bookmarks.
To summarize:
BEFORE - I could access all my bookmarks easily by just typing a few letters upon opening a new tab, then do whatever I wanted with them, and never even once have to care about "managing" my bookmarks. Just throwing everything into the main bookmarks folder, and accessing what I needed by filtering worked perfectly, and was faster and more convenient than everything else I have seen before in any browser. <- This is what made Opera stand out
AFTER - I am forced to either use the default "bookmark handling", using many unnecessary clicks, or take special care of my bookmarks, preparing special folders with certain collections of links, to make them work in a vaguely similar way (although much more limited and "stupider") - and even then I only have a fraction of the former functionality. <- This feels like any of the "default" browser interfaces I was trying to escape by using Opera.
In conclusion, I cannot really see the benefit (or ANY benefit, that is) of the "new way". Maybe I am missing something really great and very important. If so, please enlighten me. The fact that the new popdown list provides (far!) less functionality than the old one, still stands however. Why would a feature like right-clicking get removed deliberately? It's not like the mouse button was needed for something else. It just does nothing now, as does middle-clicking. Or any other form of advanced interaction with the list entries. How, in a customizable browser like Opera, having less options than before can be "better", I cannot fathom.
Please, Opera Devs, please please pretty please with sugar coated icing on top - rethink this.
If you are totally convinced that the new list makes the Opera browsing experience so much better, at least consider giving your faithful long-time users the option to revert back to the old behavior, or even better, make the list itself customizable. Number of search suggestions [0-XX] would do the trick. Last time I checked, being able to customize your experience to suit your preferences and needs was kind of what Opera was about.
Oh, and no matter what you do in the future, bring back the advanced link handling in that list. There is just no reason at all to not have it anymore.
Thank you for your time,
long time user and fan - mist0rX
7. December 2011, 07:23:31 (edited)
Furthermore, although nobody here really seems to bother over here, there are also privacy problems in there. Something like real anonymity in the web might be an impossibility and maybe not even completely desirable thing. But sending every single letter you ever type in the address-bar to a company specialized in tracking your way through the web goes a bit to far. Before I couldn't think of a reason to switch back to firefox after being completely content over quite a few years with almost everything you guys did with opera. But this could be a reason for me and likely quite a bunch of others.
I didn't pay for this browser so it would be wrong to make claims. But really, please give us the possibility to switch it off. As mist0rx said, one of the strong points of opera was the ability to easily change basic behaviours of your browser. That really would do a favor to some of your long-time users.
please, at least make the order of appearance of the results customizable
Check out this thread about how to disable the display of search engine suggestions. It helps a bit.
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1190632
8. December 2011, 06:17:26 (edited)
Please change it back.
First, you took away the length of drop down list. I can't comprehend why, but developers/designers thought that short address bar is more usable. It. Is. NOT! I want to see as much URLs as possible and if it's in the list just quickly scroll to it instead of typing more and more to narrow down mathes. I don't want this “Show more” item, I want to see everything immediately.
Second, you added page titles which is probably great, but I don't care much. However (IIRC), at first, titles were secondary (that is, they were grey below the URL), then URLs became secondary. And what do we get now? A tiny fraction of the list space is devoted to the URL (30%?) and the rest is taken by the title. Maybe it's a little different on a wide screen (1920 and up), but I don't have one. Now I can't even see the complete URL.
Third, you made ordering of matching URLs “smart”. In quotes, because I've never seen it behave smartly. URL which I've visited once and never entered manually kept coming up first. And URL which I enter manually several times DAILY can be as low as 30th result and never come earlier. Is it that hard to list the URLs I enter manually first? Or is it considered an old-fashioned practice to enter URLs when I can just serach Google/page title in the history or something?
Fourth, you added bookmarks and what's not to the address bar. This is the one and only time you've made a useful improvement. Because I could disable unnecessary sections which I don't care about in the options. They kept showing up collapsed in the list, but that's okay, I can live with that. However, you took that away in 11.60. That's what this topic is about.
Fifth, you made it hard to enter local network URLs such as “http://localsite/”. I can't just enter “localsite”, it'll take me to google and ask me if I meant local address. As I develop websites and create a lot of virtual hosts (in the HOSTS file) it's very annoying. Some time ago I've learned that there's workaround, to enter slash after the address. But it's still just an undocumented workaround which can be “fixed” in the future version. If I want to search, there's a separate drop down one tab key way.
Sixth (right now), you made Unicode URLs appear as percent-encoded. Some international websites (Wikipedia in different languages etc.) use this a lot, so meaningful URLs become “%D0%B3%D0%BE...”. Other browsers were stupid at first and did the same thing. I was happy that Opera was wiser. Now it's the other way round.
Seventh, you made a presumption that your users are stupid and removed query and protocol by default and made them grey if user decided to see them. Okay, it's a “security” feature, but why can't I disable it? My sight isn't perfect, it's harder for me to read grey text.
Eighth, you added “bookmark” button which opens unclosable dialog and crashes Opera if I close the tab. A great new feature, yay!
What do we have now? Unusable address bar, which doesn't list enough matches, which doesn't display enough text of URLs to distinguish them, which doesn't support Unicode, which doesn't list sections to search within, which greys out most part of the URL, which forces search for local computer names, which randomly orders matching URLs
How much worse can it get?
Maybe some people consider new address bar convenient, but I want OPTIONS. I want to customize things to fit my taste. Since all this happened with the address bar (that is, since Opera began replacing great unique features with stupid implementations from other browsers), I didn't see much options added.
I want OPTIONS.
OPTIONS!!!
...and maybe some bugs fixed. ...maybe even before release, not in a version like 11.60.138.
9. December 2011, 06:46:24 (edited)
Originally posted by atharip:
Address bar no longer lists previous searches using custom search engines. If I enter “y ” (“y” being short for “Yandex”), nothing is listed.
Hm, not sure it I understand your point correctly: The searchresults (=URLs and titles) of my previous searches with custom search engine "y" (stands here for youtube) appear in the search suggestions when I input "y" into addressfield. (opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowHistoryInAddressfieldAutocompletion must be enabled!). The searchstring, entered into the addressfield to trigger the search, can be be accessed via 'typed history' drop-down list. I wouldn't expect it to appear in the search suggestions. So "nothing is listed" means what?
Originally posted by atharip:
Oh, it seems I've missed one more thing. Address bar no longer lists previous searches using custom search engines. If I enter “y ” (“y” being short for “Yandex”), nothing is listed.
You can see previous searches if you press the down arrow key on your keyboard.
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Originally posted by jtsn:
Opera now transmits everything you type into the address bar to Google to increase revenue from it.
It has been that way for a long time and there is no change from the previous version, which was already doing the same.
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Originally posted by johnf888:
Originally posted by jtsn:
Opera now transmits everything you type into the address bar to Google to increase revenue from it. That's also a big privacy problem, because not everyone wants Google to know every site they visit.
To get something clear: You are not the customers of Opera Software, because you don't pay for their products. You are the merchandise to be sold. Opera's customers are search engines, companies that book placements on the speed-dial and of course device manufacturers, so they develop software, that fits the needs of these people, not yours.
Deal with it.
jtsn,
You hit the nail on the head. It's all about money, marketing and information sharing. How else can Opera survive in the Google-world we live in?
Nope, that's wrong. Opera sells something to us, and we pay for it. It's just not as obvious as an normal transaction. Or why do you think opera gets money from other companies? Out of goodwill? Surely not. They just get things that are worth enough to pay for them. That's how it works, whatever pleasant lies you always hear.
But do you know how many companies went bankrupt because they started on some point to concentrate on the side they directly got money from? Who do you think would pay them when nobody uses opera? I'll wait in which directions this develops, and when the developers think they just have to work for a bunch of companies, I have to switch to another browser. That's how it works, if you aren't contented with a product, you try another. And it's nowhere easier to do so as in a web-based market with free products.
Originally posted by johnf888:
You hit the nail on the head. It's all about money, marketing and information sharing. How else can Opera survive in the Google-world we live in?
Stop derailing the thread, you mentally challenged kids.
Opera is not making money from search suggestions. In fact, they are LOSING money on it because Google only pays for actual searches that are sent to them. Search suggestions were added because people demanded them.
But this is not about your insane, paranoid, delusional conspiracy theories. This is about the new address bar. And the search suggestions aren't even new in this version.
All you are doing is to get this thread closed. Stop being *ssholes. Stop hijacking the thread. Shut the F up about irrelevant stuff.
Originally posted by mochikun:
Hm, not sure it I understand your point correctly: The searchresults (=URLs and titles) of my previous searches with custom search engine "y" (stands here for youtube) appear in the search suggestions when I input "y" into addressfield. (opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowHistoryInAddressfieldAutocompletion must be enabled!). The searchstring, entered into the addressfield to trigger the search, can be be accessed via 'typed history' drop-down list. I wouldn't expect it to appear in the search suggestions. So "nothing is listed" means what?
Originally posted by LeoCG:
You can see previous searches if you press the down arrow key on your keyboard.
Let's suppose I type the following:
y word0
g word1
g word2
example.com/word3
word4.example.com
y word5
y word6
example.com/word7
g word8
example.com/word9
When I type “y ” in Opera 11.5, I get the following suggestions:
Search for "" with Youtube
y word6
y word5
y word0
That is, Opera lists search queries I've made with “y” search engine below a clear description of what I'm about to search with.
When I type “y ” in Opera 11.6, I get the following suggestions:
- Youtube
That is, Opera just lists search engine name.
When I press drop down button (which is GONE by default in 11.6 and has to be enabled in opera:config!), I get the following:
example.com/word9
g word8
example.com/word7
y word6
y word5
word4.example.com
example.com/word3
g word2
g word1
y word0
That is, I get everything I typed (which is often a lot) and there's no way to get just queries for “y” search engine, or, as I could do in 11.5, filter queries for “y” even further by typing more. The search query history is gone.
If I enable “ShowHistoryInAddressfieldAutocompletion” option and type “word”, I get plenty of suggestions from all sorts of URLs crammed into tiny drop down list. I don't need every single page with a word “word” in its URL, title or text, I want previous searches within “y” search engine.
And how do I get rid of the star in the address bar? I opened the customization for the address bar but didn't find any option for the star.
Logged in here in the myOpera forum again because of exactly this problem! Wanted to search for a fix for the address bar in the Opera preferences. Seems I'm not the only one who doesn't like the new behaviour.
The main reason for me wanting back the 11.5 behaviour is this: I often visit a certain web forum. I used to type three or four letters of the URL and then select the correct link with arrow keys. I knew the most interesting sub-forums are the ones with forumURL.../phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=10 and ...?f=20. So I would select those directly (it was already annoying that you have to enable showing the GET-parameters in Opera prefs, but I can live with that as long it is optional).
With the new address bar, I cannot see these entries any longer because the URL is cut at 1/3 of the address bar width. In addition, there is now the (useless) title of the website right 2/3 of the address bar. For that specific forum of course Opera will find many matches - but the titles are always "Forum Abc * Show thread * A...". So right where all these titles differ, the address bar ends and puts ...! In addition, I don't understand how these entries are sorted. In 11.5, the most interesting URLs were always among the first few hits.
So in short, it would be nice if the old sort order could be restored and if you could enable showing the full URLs. I don't need the webpage titles in the address bar. Or if you want to keep the titles, what about two lines (URL, Title) per history entry?
The thinner rows, combined with the removal of icons, takes the usability to an even lower level, since now not only are the rows smaller, but there are no visual hints to guide us to the site/page we wish to visit.
please opera developers, bring back old address bar behavior, remove search results since such stuff is already available with the "search-with" UI-elements and bring back icons.
I've lots of bookmarks, each of them attached with useful bookmark search-keywords (placed into the 'detail' field of each bookmark).
In my case typing e.g. "jsf api" into the addressbar brings all relevant pages which i've bookmarked for that very technical topic.
This and the small preview icon allows me to navigate very fast to my preferred page(s).
The new behavior forces me to look over a lot of "spam" entries which i'm really not interested in.
And finally, my last wish, as soon as addressbar works again as expected the new bookmark-star icon should get another option 'Edit bookmark' for quick access to bookmark details (for instance to edit search/details keywords)
I just got Opera maybe last week and I was really liking the address bar. This new one....hmph....
~Ibrahim~
Discussing about it here won't do much good, I don't think?
Originally posted by grrrrrr:
Not useful, the solutions there either 1- mess up your default search engine choice, 2- disable suggestions when using keywords or 3 -disable the finding of pages via writing text of theirs content. I'm not willing to lose any of those functionalities and thus stuck in 11.52 for now.Check out this thread about how to disable the display of search engine suggestions. It helps a bit.http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1190632
I have made a blog post with all the new featherweight URL auto-complete drop-down list cons if you're interested in.
Prioritize bookmarks over history for address bar searching
Bring back favicons for address bar searching
I used 11.52 for maybe 1 week, so I don't understand the other changes enough to write a post. But, these two were immediately noticeable and immediately unwanted. Let's fix this!
~Ibrahim~
Originally posted by alpkup:
I may actually stop using Opera, my favorite browser, just because of this address bar change in 11.60.
At least, provide me with a very easy way to disable it, preferably during installation.
At least we can still go back to 11.52 for the time being, cross our fingers and hope the address bar regression is reverted when 12.00 goes final.
Originally posted by flansuse:
At least we can still go back to 11.52 for the time being, cross our fingers and hope the address bar regression is reverted when 12.00 goes final.
It is clearly an intentional design change. That doesn't mean it cannot be changed back again, but that rarely happens, so waiting is likely to prove futile — it is better to look for other ways to do what you need to do.
Reverting to an old version is seldom good advice. Apart from all of the many bug fixes recorded in the Changelogs, and improvements provided by the updated HTML5 rendering engine, there are also some security fixes.
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Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by flansuse:
At least we can still go back to 11.52 for the time being, cross our fingers and hope the address bar regression is reverted when 12.00 goes final.
It is clearly an intentional design change. That doesn't mean it cannot be changed back again, but that rarely happens, so waiting is likely to prove futile — it is better to look for other ways to do what you need to do.
if there are enough people who aren't happy, it's not unprecedented that opera will change their minds if enough users raise their voice (e.g. the horrible mouse gesture implementation for version 11 that was reverted after enough users complained).
Originally posted by Pesala:
I'm on 11.52. In my use I don't experience bugs and the updated Web technologies have no effect apart from a speed boost. I know that the address field may end up not getting reverted, but I'm definitely waiting for options to make it work as before at least.Originally posted by flansuse:
It is clearly an intentional design change. That doesn't mean it cannot be changed back again, but that rarely happens, so waiting is likely to prove futile — it is better to look for other ways to do what you need to do.At least we can still go back to 11.52 for the time being, cross our fingers and hope the address bar regression is reverted when 12.00 goes final.
Reverting to an old version is seldom good advice. Apart from all of the many bug fixes recorded in the Changelogs, and improvements provided by the updated HTML5 rendering engine, there are also some security fixes.
Originally posted by Rand:
+1+1 to favicons and separation between bookmarks and history. Both changes make it harder to find what I'm looking for at a glance.
Prioritize bookmarks over history for address bar searching
Bring back favicons for address bar searching
~Ibrahim~
Originally posted by alpkup:
I may actually stop using Opera, my favorite browser, just because of this address bar change in 11.60.
At least, provide me with a very easy way to disable it, preferably during installation.
This is a pretty useless comment. What "address bar change"? There are several changes. Disable "it"? What "it"? Which one of the changes do you want to disable?
Originally posted by Slamdex:
Originally posted by alpkup:
I may actually stop using Opera, my favorite browser, just because of this address bar change in 11.60.
At least, provide me with a very easy way to disable it, preferably during installation.
This is a pretty useless comment. What "address bar change"? There are several changes. Disable "it"? What "it"? Which one of the changes do you want to disable?
It was briefly summarized in the opening post of this thread, and the address bar has undergone some well-known (and highly unwelcome) changes in 11.60, as seen in the blog comments and other forum topics. We cannot expect each post in this thread (or any thread) to repeat the subject and details of the discussion every time.
Originally posted by flansuse:
Originally posted by Slamdex:
Originally posted by alpkup:
I may actually stop using Opera, my favorite browser, just because of this address bar change in 11.60.
At least, provide me with a very easy way to disable it, preferably during installation.
This is a pretty useless comment. What "address bar change"? There are several changes. Disable "it"? What "it"? Which one of the changes do you want to disable?
It was briefly summarized in the opening post of this thread, and the address bar has undergone some well-known (and highly unwelcome) changes in 11.60, as seen in the blog comments and other forum topics. We cannot expect each post in this thread (or any thread) to repeat the subject and details of the discussion every time.
Yes, you can be expected to make a small effort, otherwise your comment is useless. There are several changes to the address bar. If you can't even name the ones you don't like, you might as well not post at all.
Originally posted by Slamdex:
Originally posted by flansuse:
Originally posted by Slamdex:
Originally posted by alpkup:
I may actually stop using Opera, my favorite browser, just because of this address bar change in 11.60.
At least, provide me with a very easy way to disable it, preferably during installation.
This is a pretty useless comment. What "address bar change"? There are several changes. Disable "it"? What "it"? Which one of the changes do you want to disable?
It was briefly summarized in the opening post of this thread, and the address bar has undergone some well-known (and highly unwelcome) changes in 11.60, as seen in the blog comments and other forum topics. We cannot expect each post in this thread (or any thread) to repeat the subject and details of the discussion every time.
Yes, you can be expected to make a small effort, otherwise your comment is useless. There are several changes to the address bar. If you can't even name the ones you don't like, you might as well not post at all.
May I ask what is the purpose of your replies in this thread? Your response to alpkup was unsolicited and did not add any value to the discussion. (Ironically, neither do any of the follow up posts, including this very one.) If it truly bothers you, then why not just ignore his post or even this thread in its entirety?
This thread is about the changes to the address bar introduced in version 11.60: removal of icons in the dropdown, removal of bookmarks over history priority, removal of the "show more" button, a less accurate sorting of entries that appear above more relevant ones, the merging of searches in the auto-dropdown with bookmarks and history, and the less disputed single-line, double-column list (which I've read arguments for and against this change.)
This "address bar change" happened in a single iteration: 11.52 ---> 11.60
It's a completely new design, and so when someone expresses their grievance over the new address bar, it implies the changes from 11.52 ---> 11.60. Had Opera 11.60 included the improvements to HTML5 and rendering without the drastic change to the address bar, such complaints, as witnessed in this thread (and other threads, including blog comments on the Desktop Team updates), would not exist, and fewer users would stick with 11.52.
Originally posted by atharip:
Some time ago, we had a very simple, but efficient address bar. Drop down list was long and it included only URLs. If I manually entered URL in the address bar, I was sure it would appear on the top next time. As I either use Google or manually enter exact URLs I know, it was great.
First, you took away the length of drop down list. I can't comprehend why, but developers/designers thought that short address bar is more usable. It. Is. NOT! I want to see as much URLs as possible and if it's in the list just quickly scroll to it instead of typing more and more to narrow down mathes. I don't want this “Show more” item, I want to see everything immediately.
Second, you added page titles which is probably great, but I don't care much. However (IIRC), at first, titles were secondary (that is, they were grey below the URL), then URLs became secondary. And what do we get now? A tiny fraction of the list space is devoted to the URL (30%?) and the rest is taken by the title. Maybe it's a little different on a wide screen (1920 and up), but I don't have one. Now I can't even see the complete URL.
Third, you made ordering of matching URLs “smart”. In quotes, because I've never seen it behave smartly. URL which I've visited once and never entered manually kept coming up first. And URL which I enter manually several times DAILY can be as low as 30th result and never come earlier. Is it that hard to list the URLs I enter manually first? Or is it considered an old-fashioned practice to enter URLs when I can just serach Google/page title in the history or something?
Fourth, you added bookmarks and what's not to the address bar. This is the one and only time you've made a useful improvement. Because I could disable unnecessary sections which I don't care about in the options. They kept showing up collapsed in the list, but that's okay, I can live with that. However, you took that away in 11.60. That's what this topic is about.
Fifth, you made it hard to enter local network URLs such as “http://localsite/”. I can't just enter “localsite”, it'll take me to google and ask me if I meant local address. As I develop websites and create a lot of virtual hosts (in the HOSTS file) it's very annoying. Some time ago I've learned that there's workaround, to enter slash after the address. But it's still just an undocumented workaround which can be “fixed” in the future version. If I want to search, there's a separate drop down one tab key way.
Sixth (right now), you made Unicode URLs appear as percent-encoded. Some international websites (Wikipedia in different languages etc.) use this a lot, so meaningful URLs become “%D0%B3%D0%BE...”. Other browsers were stupid at first and did the same thing. I was happy that Opera was wiser. Now it's the other way round.
Seventh, you made a presumption that your users are stupid and removed query and protocol by default and made them grey if user decided to see them. Okay, it's a “security” feature, but why can't I disable it? My sight isn't perfect, it's harder for me to read grey text.
Eighth, you added “bookmark” button which opens unclosable dialog and crashes Opera if I close the tab. A great new feature, yay!
What do we have now? Unusable address bar, which doesn't list enough matches, which doesn't display enough text of URLs to distinguish them, which doesn't support Unicode, which doesn't list sections to search within, which greys out most part of the URL, which forces search for local computer names, which randomly orders matching URLs
How much worse can it get?
Maybe some people consider new address bar convenient, but I want OPTIONS. I want to customize things to fit my taste. Since all this happened with the address bar (that is, since Opera began replacing great unique features with stupid implementations from other browsers), I didn't see much options added.
I want OPTIONS.
OPTIONS!!!
...and maybe some bugs fixed. ...maybe even before release, not in a version like 11.60.138.
I've already +1'd this thread, but I wanted to emphasize how much I agree with the quoted post. I'd like to see pretty much the same things changed as listed.
18. December 2011, 12:04:15 (edited)
Also if I need search suggestions I usually enter a search engine prefix. I'm aware of the fact that this might be different for other users, but an option to deactivate search suggestions if no prefix is used would help very much. Alternatively, put search suggestions at the end of the list as they usually would be of lower priority than bookmarks and visited pages.
Also +1 for advanced options for the list entries (open in background, context menu)
EDIT: I just tried to deactivate the default search engine option (by deactivating the checkbox in the options of the former standard search engine) to not get suggestions without using a prefix, but opera obviously does not allow this and reactivates this option on close of the Optionwindow.
Similar action does allthough work for speeddial searchengine, which disappears when no searchengine is tagged as such. Why can't I do this for standard dearch engine? I actually don't need one and when I read through this thread it looks like I'm not the only one.
Originally posted by flansuse:
This "address bar change" happened in a single iteration: 11.52 ---> 11.60
Your comments continue to be useless, and now you are hijacking the thread and trolling too. The address bar has several changes. If you can't explain exactly what your problem is, you are just creating noise.
Originally posted by mist0rx:
No more right-click on the list entries? No advanced options? Just click it or die? Whyyyyy?! *insert theatrical knee fall and scream here*
Maybe I would like to open this list entry in a new background tab.
Originally posted by JJFlash:
There was no right-clicking functionality before either, I suggest you to create a topic on the desktop wish-list forum if you'd really like to have it and don't feel (Ctrl +) Shift + pressing enter while highlighting the entry is enough.Also +1 for advanced options for the list entries (open in background, context menu)
The super fast and clear search list of the address bar up to Opera 11.52 was one of the first things that I did show to other people when I wanted to explain why Opera is so great. I really can not see anything good about the new version. Previously I could easily use the search bar to call my bookmarks by entering a few letters or the nickname, even searching through the bookmarks' descriptions. Now I have to scroll far down to find my bookmarks. And then it's completely useless when I want to jump to a page on a website that I use intensively because all is squeezed into one line. Quite often it's looking quite similar to this here:
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... One Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/bl... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/m... Another Page of My Greatest Website
[...]
But one interesting question though.
Has anyone noticed that the latest versions of Mozilla Firefox (8 / 9.0.1) have an address bar search list that looks quite similar to the search list Opera used to have?
1. January 2012, 17:57:32 (edited)
Originally posted by atharip:
Oh, it seems I've missed one more thing. Address bar no longer lists previous searches using custom search engines. If I enter “y ” (“y” being short for “Yandex”), nothing is listed. The address bar became absolutely unusable.
Originally posted by atharip:
Let's suppose I type the following:
y word0
g word1
g word2
example.com/word3
word4.example.com
y word5
y word6
example.com/word7
g word8
example.com/word9
When I type “y ” in Opera 11.5, I get the following suggestions:
Search for "" with Youtube
y word6
y word5
y word0
That is, Opera lists search queries I've made with “y” search engine below a clear description of what I'm about to search with.
When I type “y ” in Opera 11.6, I get the following suggestions:
- Youtube
That is, Opera just lists search engine name.
I have to second that, out of all the problems mentioned in this thread, I miss this functionality the most (and favicons for custom searches). Please bring it back.
Originally posted by Android26:
I have to second that, out of all the problems mentioned in this thread, I miss this functionality the most (and favicons for custom searches). Please bring it back.
please remember to vote in these threads in the wishlist forum:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1202052
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1202062
1) The order of the entries in the address bar:
11.52: bookmarks > history
11.60: suggestions > history > bookmarks
This should be customizable. I use the address bar to open bookmarks a lot so they should be first, then history items, and finally suggestions.
2) Custom search history:
11.52: entering for example 'm' (imdb search) would show a list of previous 'm' searches.
11.60: entering a custom search doesn't show previous searches.
Pressing the down arrow doesn't solve the problem. Besides only showing the last 20 entries without scrolling down, it's a lot harder to find specific searches. So 11.52 behavior for me. Can be customizable too if there are people out there that think it's better the new way.
3) Height of the entries:
11.52: entries were bigger, had an url, a title, a show more button and fav icons.
11.60: entries are small, have an url and a title.
This is an issue for some people, I don't mind it staying this way.
The issues are in order of importance (1 > 2 > 3).
Opera please take a look at these issues.
Thanks.
Originally posted by atharip:
First, you took away the length of drop down list. I can't comprehend why, but developers/designers thought that short address bar is more usable. It. Is. NOT! I want to see as much URLs as possible and if it's in the list just quickly scroll to it instead of typing more and more to narrow down mathes. I don't want this “Show more” item, I want to see everything immediately.
Second, you added page titles which is probably great, but I don't care much. However (IIRC), at first, titles were secondary (that is, they were grey below the URL), then URLs became secondary. And what do we get now? A tiny fraction of the list space is devoted to the URL (30%?) and the rest is taken by the title. Maybe it's a little different on a wide screen (1920 and up), but I don't have one. Now I can't even see the complete URL.
+1. So much agree.
It was like this a few versions ago, wasn't it? Weird that the space was made smaller YET, getting the same amount of results... what's Opera's issue with an expanding adress bar?
I don't get it.There is no reason to list Google results when typing anything in the adress bar – you know what lies right next to it. However, if you deliberately search (like typing g <text here>) results are welcome.
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Is that how it is now?
Originally posted by DaveHawley:
No, there must be something wrong on your end.Is that how it is now?
Check if there's a "%s" on Google search engine address.
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
No, there must be something wrong on your end.
Check if there's a "%s" on Google search engine address.
The search string appears to be -
http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&sourceid=opera&num=%i&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Is that correct? The %s is in there.
I've now found that it doesn't work from the search field on the Speed Dial page either, just opening an empty Google search page.
Now off-topic of course, but any quick suggestions welcome!
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Oh, it's better to create another topic as we can't predict how many guesses (replies) it'll take to have the problem solved.
Thanks, I'll do that.
4. January 2012, 21:15:04 (edited)
Originally posted by DaveHawley:
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
No, there must be something wrong on your end.
Check if there's a "%s" on Google search engine address.
The search string appears to be -
http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&sourceid=opera&num=%i&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Is that correct? The %s is in there.
I've now found that it doesn't work from the search field on the Speed Dial page either, just opening an empty Google search page.
Now off-topic of course, but any quick suggestions welcome!
Just a very quick off-topic update on this.
I fixed it by deleting my "search.ini" file and allowing Opera to re-create it.
Then it all came good.
I just downgraded to Opera 11.5, because I could not stand the new addressbar inline search any more!
It was completely useless -- even the presented history suggestions were mostly nonsense:
E.g. I visited the Wikipedia article on New York, closed it, typed in ,,New York'' and get only a history of pages, I don't know how these should be related. In this old version the Wiki is the the first history match.
That helps, but not the new design. With that it is much more faster to type in the complete Wiki-URL!
My will to remain in Opera 11.60 till the entry order is fixed is getting lower each day.
Thanks.
17. January 2012, 10:43:31 (edited)
I too miss my typed_history.xml in the url bar, I miss it very much because it was a real feature!
As I understand all the postings here, there's no chance to get it back, really OPERA????
In between I found a solution to me, to use this typed_histories in ver. 11.60.
I only use Linux os. Into my /home I copy my fully configured .opera from ver. 11.52. Then I start ver. 11.60 and the sun is shining again.
So I got a ver. 11.56 or something and it runs without problems, nearly.........
Originally posted by Elsensee:
I too miss my typed_history.xml in the url bar, I miss it very much because it was a real feature!
Typed history is still there. It never was removed from the address bar.
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Originally posted by Elsensee:
In between I found a solution to me, to use this typed_histories in ver. 11.60.
I only use Linux os. Into my /home I copy my fully configured .opera from ver. 11.52. Then I start ver. 11.60 and the sun is shining again.
So I got a ver. 11.56 or something and it runs without problems, nearly.........
What exactly do you mean, will the address bar look exactly the same as in 11.52 after this trick? If so, then there must be a way to achieve it by exchanging just the right config files...!
22. January 2012, 22:54:38 (edited)
Originally posted by w-sky:
Nope! He is referring to a completely different thing, the absence of the arrow which shows the typed history (also accessible by pressing the down or up arrow key) which is disabled by default but can be obtained via the setting opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield.Originally posted by Elsensee:
What exactly do you mean, will the address bar look exactly the same as in 11.52 after this trick? If so, then there must be a way to achieve it by exchanging just the right config files...!In between I found a solution to me, to use this typed_histories in ver. 11.60.
I only use Linux os. Into my /home I copy my fully configured .opera from ver. 11.52. Then I start ver. 11.60 and the sun is shining again.
So I got a ver. 11.56 or something and it runs without problems, nearly.........
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Nope! He is referring to a completely different thing, the absence of the arrow which shows the typed history (also accessible by pressing the down or up arrow key) which is disabled by default but can be obtained via the setting opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowDropdownButtonInAddressfield.
WOW thanks for this tip rafaelluik !!!
I was getting use to just highlighting the address bar and press the the down key with 11.60.
How simple to just check a preference in opera:config and it puts the Drop Down Arrow Back in the Address Bar !!!
Now its been solved, case closed everyone...
HTH
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24. January 2012, 21:50:32 (edited)
Originally posted by hobbler:
How simple to just check a preference in opera:config and it puts the Drop Down Arrow Back in the Address Bar !!!
Now its been solved, case closed everyone...
Well this is great, yes. But if you would mind reading the thread from the beginning you would see that it's about something completely different. No case is closed yet.
still looks the same in 11.61 as before, not like the older versions like 11.10
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now I worked some days active on the new Quick Dial addressbar, and, what shall I say: it's quite nice !!!!
The overview is somewhat better than the old text based list. It took me ca. one hour to copy the wanted addresses into the new quick dial. You have the chance to sort out old url, down from ca. 100 to ca. 70, after this you get a nice functionality.
Thanks to the OPERA guys, I shouted too early some pages back.
Once more thanks!
Originally posted by mpresnitz:
does anybody know which is the latest build
Its best to always use the latest build to benefit from security fixes and other improvements. Sooner or later you will need to upgrade, so start getting used to the unwelcome changes now instead of risking all of the problems with downgrading to Opera 11.52 or whatever (the mail format is incompatible for example).
I recommend installing each new version in its own folder using the USB install option, then its easy to have multiple versions running side-by-side. That way you can adjust gradually, using the older version if you must, while reconfiguring the new one to better suit your needs if possible.
Opera always makes significant changes to each major version upgrade, and they're unlikely to change their policy in the foreseeable future. It is best to adapt and learn new tricks.
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Originally posted by Pesala:
Opera always makes significant changes to each major version upgrade, and they're unlikely to change their policy in the foreseeable future. It is best to adapt and learn new tricks.
that's absolutely right, skryola and all the other guys, try it out, it's nice, I use the quick dial for several days and I like it.
I don't belive that OPERA goes back to the old address bar, let's talk about in a quarter of a year:)
Originally posted by Pesala:
Originally posted by mpresnitz:
does anybody know which is the latest build
Its best to always use the latest build to benefit from security fixes and other improvements. Sooner or later you will need to upgrade, so start getting used to the unwelcome changes now
I agree with you on the security fixes. And I tried to use the new addressbar design over 2 month I think, but it an absolute no go.
Perhaps I try that ,new Quick Dial addressbar' Elsensee mentioned, I don't know this one yet.
26. January 2012, 20:44:08 (edited)
But, tell me / us, why is it a no go? You get a window with all your url, which one will not put into a folder, you can organize it how you like it.
Before we only had a text list, not alphabetical organizable. You use the new one since 8 weeks and can't agree with it, I use it app. 3 or 4 days and I changed my view....
Having to click show more and scroll down to find a bookmark entry is not what I want from the address bar. This particular thing worked a lot better in 11.52.
Originally posted by Elsensee:
beg your pardon, mpresnitz, the F1 help text calls it Speed Dial...
But, tell me / us, why is it a no go? You get a window with all your url, which one will not put into a folder, you can organize it how you like it.
Before we only had a text list, not alphabetical organizable. You use the new one since 8 weeks and can't agree with it, I use it app. 3 or 4 days and I changed my view....
Oh, I see. I know the Speed Dial and use it many years already. It is really great -- no doubt about it. I'm complaining about that you virtually cannot use the addressbar to open your bookmarks, as they are sorted at the end of the list. In 11.5x I type ,gro' -> arrow down, ready to start on Yahoo groups. In the new design, I'm faster when I type the whole URL ,de.groups.yahoo.com'
That's only one example, I don't want 200 Speed Dials
Originally posted by Elsensee:
hej,
now I worked some days active on the new Quick Dial addressbar, and, what shall I say: it's quite nice !!!!!
Sorry Elysensee but i don't get it what you are talking about.
Do you mean the search field which is presented at top of speed dial window?
I really can't recognize any feature in this one except that it's a pure search bar which only gives search suggestions.
Or do you mean to create a speeddial entry for each bookmark? Really?
For me the old addressbar was a very intelligent link between a very (very very) huge collection of bookmarks (tagged with descriptive attributes in description field...i used that field similar to the well known concept of tag clouds), and a fast intuitive way to search the "bookmarks-database" and getting as result short but relevant information (this includes text and visualization like icons).
The new addressbar does it too but compared to older versions this bar gets more and more uncomfortable for me.
It gets non-intuitive "features" (like presenting unwanted search suggestions at top..when i want this i type 'g searchstring" or use the google searchfield) and formerly intuitve features are getting removed/reduced more and more (icons removed, summarized text of URL/bookmark to short and less readable)
Pesala, unfortunately we're stuck, it isn't a kind of choice. We'll keep using 11.52 unless something drastic occurs.
Elsensee, please stop talking about unrelated things in this topic.
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
mpresnitz, if you have read the post just above yours you'd know there was no change.
I indeed read the post, so please don't claim the opposite. But what should 'No changes in the address bar.' tell me? I know that -- and it doesn't say that there are no changes in the 'Quick Dial', which was the wrong name, but I could have been a new feature, couldn't it?
Originally posted by rafaelluik:
Actually no one can expect a thing like this to change in a minor version 11.6>x<.
I don't get your point, sorry. Look at 12.00, build 1054 -- old addressbar (I suppose this is what you mean with 'a thing like this'); but in 12.00, build 1191 -- new addressbar. There's even no change at all in the version number, right?
We have a choice to stick with the old version, which will grow increasingly outdated in time or accept the limitations of the current address bar and stick with the current and supported Opera versions.
I don't like it, and I don't understand why giving the user a choice isn't an option... but it's evidently not going to change so we may as well get used to it unless we plan to switch browsers. And that's an even less appealing prospect imo.
27. January 2012, 02:52:24 (edited)
Originally posted by mpresnitz:
Look at 11.52 or lower and look at 11.60 (Speed Dial: changes started in 11.10, haven't changed in 11.11, changed in 11.50. Etc...). That's what I meant, testing builds doesn't count.Originally posted by rafaelluik:
I don't get your point, sorry. Look at 12.00, build 1054 -- old addressbar (I suppose this is what you mean with 'a thing like this'); but in 12.00, build 1191 -- new addressbar. There's even no change at all in the version number, right?Actually no one can expect a thing like this to change in a minor version 11.6>x<.
Originally posted by Rand:
We can't be sure, they haven't commented about the Speed Dial 2.0 changes also, but in the end they gave options to everybody in the following version.Given that Opera hasn't commented on this chance in any of the various threads about it, and declined to comment even when it was first changed in beta testing I think we can be pretty certain it's here to stay, and their not open to discussion of it's merits.
(...)
I don't like it, and I don't understand why giving the user a choice isn't an option... but it's evidently not going to change
I studied the whole thread, in conclusion: this way of using the address bar I handled never before, simple to avoid a permanent growing typed_history.xml. If I have to seach something in the www, I always entry a search engine, and if the result is o.k. and I will keep it, I pressed enter, at once the url was in the typed_history.xml.
Just now I did it the way discussed here in this thread: it's a very confusioning behavior, no, that I don't like too, google is everywhere.
Perhaps we all should pay a small amount to make OPERA independing of ad....
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so the previous searches are back, and bookmarks are prioritized over the history entries. Yet some more changes (hopefully improvements) are to come, stay tunned.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/01/27/smarter-address-suggestions
Originally posted by bkazmierczak:
Hello,
so the previous searches are back, and bookmarks are prioritized over the history entries. Yet some more changes (hopefully improvements) are to come, stay tunned.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/01/27/smarter-address-suggestions
Thank you Opera Team for listening to our pleas.
Originally posted by bkazmierczak:
Hello,
so the previous searches are back, and bookmarks are prioritized over the history entries. Yet some more changes (hopefully improvements) are to come, stay tunned.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/01/27/smarter-address-suggestions
I am glad to see this is finally getting some serious attention by the developers, so my hopes have returned again.
I do have a quick question about the latest Wahoo build. When you say "prioritized" in this context, do you mean bookmarks will always be placed above the history for the auto-completion suggestions, or do you mean that bookmarks inherit more "relevancy points" than history items? If it is the latter, it's not too big of a deal, as long as it is done well.For example:
Let's say I have a bookmark titled "Foo Is Delicious" and the URL is http://www.example.com/foo-recipes.html. In my history, I have visited many sites that have the word "delicious" in their page titles. If I begin to start typing "delicious" I would almost always expect my bookmark ("Foo Is Delicious") to be the first result. However, if I recently visited a page with the word "recipes" in the title, then I can understand why it would be above my bookmark if I begin typing "recipes" into the address field.
I hope this makes sense. I still prefer the 11.52 address field auto-completion, double-lined items, and especially the favicons. However, I am looking forward to the new address field so long as it appears to be evolving into something comparable and intuitive.
Any word on the return of the favicons, or at least an option to re-enable them?
Originally posted by flansuse:
For example:Let's say I have a bookmark titled "Foo Is Delicious" and the URL is http://www.example.com/foo-recipes.html. In my history, I have visited many sites that have the word "delicious" in their page titles. If I begin to start typing "delicious" I would almost always expect my bookmark ("Foo Is Delicious") to be the first result. However, if I recently visited a page with the word "recipes" in the title, then I can understand why it would be above my bookmark if I begin typing "recipes" into the address field.
See here:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/40132942?startidx=100#comment80810812
Originally posted by flansuse:
When you say "prioritized" in this context, do you mean bookmarks will always be placed above the history for the auto-completion suggestions, or do you mean that bookmarks inherit more "relevancy points" than history items? If it is the latter, it's not too big of a deal, as long as it is done well.
We are not going back to the "bookmarks first, history later" rule. Still you can review current ranking algorithm and let me know your opinions.
30. January 2012, 22:50:33 (edited)
30. January 2012, 22:50:59 (edited)
Originally posted by x0peraFan:
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Before calling it quits, I would try out the latest Wahoo build (12.00-1256) as as well subsequent builds to come with a copy of your current profile folder. This would at least allow you to "test drive" the new algorithms, in which bookmarks have "relevance priority" over history. This means more likely than not, your bookmarks will be above history items, especially the more relevant ones. I wrote out a quick example in my previous post that tries to explain/understand this.
Originally posted by flansuse:
For example:
Let's say I have a bookmark titled "Foo Is Delicious" and the URL is http://www.example.com/foo-recipes.html. In my history, I have visited many sites that have the word "delicious" in their page titles. If I begin to start typing "delicious" I would almost always expect my bookmark ("Foo Is Delicious") to be the first result. However, if I recently visited a page with the word "recipes" in the title, then I can understand why it would be above my bookmark if I begin typing "recipes" into the address field.
This would place obvious bookmarks towards the top of your results, while still allowing recent/relevant history items to be placed above obsure or unrelated bookmarks. From what I understand, it means a bookmark with the word "more" in the URL but not in the page title will not likely be placed above a recent history item that starts with the word "More" in the page title as you begin typing "more" into the address field. However, a bookmark that has "More" in the page title will be placed above everything else, bookmarks or history.
To use your current (11.52?) profile with the latest test builds, just copy over the profile folder into the portable/standalone folder. You will see a folder created upon first launch named "profile" in which you can delete the auto-generated files and replace them with your current profile's files. Make sure not to delete your current profile folder by mistake!
Originally posted by flansuse:
Before calling it quits, I would try out the latest Wahoo build (12.00-1256) as as well subsequent builds to come with a copy of your current profile folder. This would at least allow you to "test drive" the new algorithms, in which bookmarks have "relevance priority" over history. This means more likely than not, your bookmarks will be above history items, especially the more relevant ones.
Yup thanks buddy, I'll definitely try that, but a word to the developers. At least put an option in the browser option menu to choose what should the browser suggest when we type in our God forsaken address bar.
Originally posted by flansuse:
Wow... This looks like perfection!!!This would place obvious bookmarks towards the top of your results, while still allowing recent/relevant history items to be placed above obsure or unrelated bookmarks. From what I understand, it means a bookmark with the word "more" in the URL but not in the page title will not likely be placed above a recent history item that starts with the word "More" in the page title as you begin typing "more" into the address field. However, a bookmark that has "More" in the page title will be placed above everything else, bookmarks or history.
x0peraFan, they're open to comments... You should just give feedback more politely.
28. January 2012, 18:36:01 (edited)
Originally posted by w-sky:
And then it's completely useless when I want to jump to a page on a website that I use intensively because all is squeezed into one line. Quite often it's looking quite similar to this here:
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... One Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/bl... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/m... Another Page of My Greatest Website
[...]
I mentioned that exact post in the blog comments, since it is a legitimate complaint. Due to the single-line results, the titles and URLs are condensed, so that it makes differentiating the results difficult, if not impossible sometimes. This is especially true for message boards, since they use the same "page title" even for different posts under the same thread; and to make it worse, the URL (the only different part), is not distinguishable from the rest, since the new address field results cut off the URL, as shown above.
28. January 2012, 14:52:41 (edited)
Originally posted by flansuse:
This would place obvious bookmarks towards the top of your results, while still allowing recent/relevant history items to be placed above obsure or unrelated bookmarks. From what I understand, it means a bookmark with the word "more" in the URL but not in the page title will not likely be placed above a recent history item that starts with the word "More" in the page title as you begin typing "more" into the address field. However, a bookmark that has "More" in the page title will be placed above everything else, bookmarks or history
Nice investigation. Did you use reverse engineering Opera for that?
Originally posted by flansuse:
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... One Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/pa... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/bl... Another Page of My Greatest Website
wiki.mygreatestwebsite.com/m... Another Page of My Greatest Website
We will try to address this issue too..
Originally posted by skreyola:
Give me this:http://thissite.com/...2100/2134.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2135.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2136.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2137.htm
...not this:http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
This is something we will work on. Can you explain what are you trying to match in this example? What's your input in the address bar?
I have reverted to 11.52 (fortunately, I hadn't cleared my aptitude .deb cache), and if the next version of Opera doesn't have an address bar that lets me see the whole URL of pages I've visited before, I will sadly be switching to a different browser. I love Opera, but this is a deal-breaker for me. I have to be able to see the full URLs of my history to use the browser the way I've been using it for years.
Showing me the beginning of a bunch of URLS where the end is what's different is useless.
Give me this:
http://thissite.com/...2100/2134.htm http://thissite.com/...2100/2135.htm http://thissite.com/...2100/2136.htm http://thissite.com/...2100/2137.htm
...not this:
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
Originally posted by Rand:
I don't like it, and I don't understand why giving the user a choice isn't an option... but it's evidently not going to change so we may as well get used to it unless we plan to switch browsers. And that's an even less appealing prospect imo.
It is an unappealing prospect, but if I'm going to have to "learn a new browser" every time Opera updates, I might as well be switching browsers.
The new address bar simply does not work for me the way I need my browser to work.
And to the one who suggested we use the Speed Dial for this... that's no different from updating my bookmarks every day. This is not an acceptable solution for my use-case.
I get the point about security updates, but I'm not going to use the latest version of Opera as it stands. When I need to switch, I'm going to switch to a different browser altogether. This change was poorly thought out, and the company
If not, I'm going to put the effort I'd have to put into learning Opera's new UI into learning someone else's UI from scratch.
If the addresses/title have to be truncated, they should be analyzed so that duplicated stuff, not unique stuff, is what gets clipped.
i.e.: http://schlo...01-02 ...January 2, 2012
not: http://schlockmer... Schlock Mercenary...
Originally posted by bkazmierczak:
Originally posted by skreyola:
Give me this:http://thissite.com/...2100/2134.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2135.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2136.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2137.htm
...not this:http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
This is something we will work on. Can you explain what are you trying to match in this example? What's your input in the address bar?
Thank you for your response. Here is an example:
My bookmark: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02102.htm
I visit the bookmark using Alt-B, 0, 1, f and get that page. (I have all my bookmarks organized into folders so I can get to them with a few easy to recall keystrokes.)
I delete 02.htm from the address bar and look at the pages in the quick history.
I click on the one with the highest page number.
I browse through the pages I haven't read.
Another example:
My bookmark: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20100312
I visit the bookmark and trim off 00312, because the latest page will be 2012{something}, and type 2 so the address bar reads http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=2012
I click on the highest page number in my history (that's what I saw when last I was able to visit).
I browse through the unread pages.
Actually, a better solution to this problem might be to give the bookmarks an option: "Archive marker"
Bookmarks with this option ticked would update to the latest archive page (a URL with a similar structure, so it would pick http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02132.htm (an archive page) from http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2200/fc02102.htm (the existing bookmark) but not http://freefall.purrsia.com/ (the main page)) when the user clicks a button on the toolbar.
Thank you for listening to our concerns. I will be very happy if I can keep using Opera.
Originally posted by x0peraFan:
I have my own way of searching bookmarks and history suggestions are not important, (...)
Hm... perhaps you want to disable Show History In Addressfield Autocompletion?!
this is most sore point in opera for me right now
unfortunately the latest opera 12 build does not bring any improvements
please take a look at how firefox address bar compares to operas http://www.screenr.com/3Uis (note that i'm not using bookmarks or search engine suggestions, since they are not useful for me)
also please return favicons and two row display for history entries, since lots of people are asking for it
29. January 2012, 16:26:32 (edited)
Originally posted by bkazmierczak:
Originally posted by skreyola:
Give me this:http://thissite.com/...2100/2134.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2135.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2136.htm
http://thissite.com/...2100/2137.htm
...not this:http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
http://thissite.com/pages/comics/... Visited foo bar baz
This is something we will work on. Can you explain what are you trying to match in this example? What's your input in the address bar?
From what I can see, it demonstrates why the single-line, double-column (11.60+) creates more problems as opposed to the double-line, single-column (11.52). The URL and page title have less room to be displayed, no matter how large the user's monitor is, and no matter what kind of skin they are using. Simple math will explain why cutting the results from 2 lines to only 1 line limits how much text can be displayed. Two lines may not be perfect, but it greatly limits the potential of confusion. With only a single line, the drop-down results must now rely on "tricks" to get around these limits, as shown above with the example of "http://thissite.com/...2100/2135.htm". (This shows the start and end of the text string.) With the double-line results (11.52), such tricks can still be used, but it doesn't change the fact that more text is displayed on the line.
I have some examples in screenshot format.
Here is 12.00-1256...
Here is 11.52...
Do you notice why such complaints were brought up? Those two screenshots show multiple problems in a single makeover to the address field:
First of all, because of the single-line, double-column results in 11.60+, when I type in "japan", the result doesn't show me the word "Japan" anywhere. However, in 11.52, I can clearly see the word "Japan" is used in the page title (i.e, the conference was held in LinuxCon Japan).
Secondly, nothing is cut off in the 11.52 example, even with such a long page title. Sure, sometimes page titles or URLs may be so long that they might be cut off, but the point still stands that when using double-line results, this happens less often, and it doesn't mean that skreyola's solution cannot be applied. (It can be applied to either scenario.)
Thirdly, which result is easier to click on? Fitt's Law will tell us that 11.52 has items that are easier and quicker to click on. Don't take it for granted; try it yourself. A smaller area (especially when moving the mouse vertically to a tiny vertical space) means the the user has to re-adjust his precision as he approaches the item he wishes to click on. With 11.52, the results are large enough to easily click on, yet they're not so large that they ever cover the entire screen. Even if the results covered the entire screen, top to bottom, it's not a problem because the whole point of using the drop-down list is to click on something or cancel his search. (Why would a user care if the drop-down list covers up a paragraph in the current page? If he's using the drop-down, he's not reading the paragraph at that moment.)
Finally, the favicon easily identifies the page as belonging to YouTube. This becomes especially important when there are many results in the drop-down list from different web sites. Without favicons to assist him, the user is forced to more carefully scan through the results with only text. Favicons in the drop-down results are not only useful for accessible users, but all users.
Originally posted by flansuse:
Do you notice why such complaints were brought up?
Yes. They will be addressed. Thanks for detailed description.
+1 to flansuse's post, especially the point about Fitts' Law.
I'm looking forward to the next release. I have loved using Opera for many years and look forward to continuing to use it.
Thanks a lot for your input. It has been very valuable. But also please don't expect everything will be quickly fixed.
I would be glad to see you opinions on changes coming in next URL snapshot. But please be patient if your top 1 issue wont be changed there.
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/02/08/addressfield-ui
comments welcome, preferably in the blog post.
It would be really great if there could be a setting in the options window that let us choose which things in the dropdown got priority ("Show more of the URL instead of more of the page title", "show URL and page title in equal length").
Or a slider option for what percentage of the dropbox should be used for URL: 5-95%
Or even a regexp filter in the site preferences, so users could tell Opera what parts of a URL are important to us at a particular domain. I know the regexp would be a tall order, so I'm not really pushing for that, but it's an idea, so I mentioned it.
But options are always a good thing. Options for how to display things are always appreciated.
The main thing is that, while I understand the Opera team's desire to make things more user-friendly, page titles can be anything their authors want them to be (and not always descriptive, especially on dynamically generated pages), and URLs are important for both navigation and security.
just to make a stronger point towards the developers to bring back the old behavior. This new one is a HUGE step back.
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Originally posted by masterg20:
Reverting back to 11.52 til this is fixed or better update comes along
You might find yourself using an outdated browser, just like it happened to me when I resisted upgrading from 10.63. The reason was that I couldn't bear the "new" pinned tabs behavior of shrinking the tab to the favicon and moving it to a stupid place in the tab bar. After just a few months, 10.63 was growing more and more obsolete.
This specific "feature" of search suggestions before bookmarks and history is just another evidence of a trend in the design of Opera: make decisions and impose them upon users without offering an option to override them. Examples: pinned tabs, address bar search results, AND tab stacking.
Originally posted by bkazmierczak:
Hello again:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/02/08/addressfield-ui
comments welcome, preferably in the blog post.
I would have been testing and giving more feedback for these recent changes (as well as the snapshot released yesterday on March 3rd), but I have been going through some tough times in my life. I don't want you to think I am not grateful for the work you've done, and especially for acknowledging and listening to the users. I am so thankful, and excited to try out the new address bar soon! Just by skimming through the Desktop Team's blog posts, it looks like you've tackled the address bar issue in a very clever and creative way.
I might be able to give some feedback soon, depending on some circumstances. So I wrote this post out just so you know that I am thankful, and that even the users who seem silent are probably just as grateful.
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