Kim Jong-il dead

Kim Jong-il dead

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16239693

North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has died at the age of 69, state-run television has announced.

Mr Kim, who has led the communist nation since the death of his father in 1994, died on a train while visiting an area outside the capital, the announcement said.

He suffered a stroke in 2008 and was absent from public view for months.

Pyongyang described his son Kim Jong-un as the "great successor" and urged North Koreans to unite behind him.

What does this mean for N. Korea? Any positive changes?

Seoul vs. Pyongyang. You do the math.

During my two+ years in S. Korea, Seoul was nothing like this, but it was nothing like the naked streets of Pyongyang.


Notice all the traffic.

Who's the next Kim?
What a beautiful dynasty this one...

What it means is a younger, stronger dictator. The old one watched hundreds of thousands of "his people" die from starvation while he built crappy nukes. Assassinate his successor.

Little is known about Kim Jong-un, even his exact age. One man claims to have gone to school with him in the Internal School of Berne and that he liked basketball

Time has a little more information, but not much.

What next? The Kims ofcourse

Alas, the supply of psychotic people with desire for power (and access to power) is unending.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Notice all the traffic.

Then there is Beijing traffic

Perhaps things might change and be better for the people of North Korea

No chance. A bit of being naive and frustrated hope. It is always bemusing that countries with presidents and presidential dicatorships seem to favour hereditary monarchial style rule. This land of nut jobs, North Korea would not be in existence these days if it was not for the Red Chinese to the north of them which funds the dangerous clowns. How they justify that when you see the captialsim they sponsor is an odd stance?

Just the other day I was reading of a man who had been a guard in a N. Korean Gulag and the accounts were horrifi yet the ruling family lives in total luxury. People starve and brainwashed like nowehere else.

Chinese reactions as reported in ChinaSMACK I kind of liked the last one

Originally posted by Sina Weibo (biggest Chinese "twitter"):

@正经大猫: Help me spread a cold joke: Kim Jong-il passed away on the 17th, and the 24th will be the 7th day after his death, and the whole world sings together: “金哥bye，金哥bye，金哥on the way~”

The above has been forwarded/reposted (“re-tweeted”) over 47k times so far and currently has over 5,000 comments.

金哥 translated means “Brother Kim”, referring to Kim Jong-il, but is pronounced in Chinese as “jin ge“. Try pronouncing it out loud. It a bad Chinese pun of “Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way~”

I like this comment:

I can’t respect those media that criticize Kim Jong-il. They only dare to criticize Kim Jong-il is because they know Kim won’t deploy the military to their countries and slaughter them like Imperialist America, because he won’t use financial hegemony to cut off their financial resources, nor would he buy off other media to go criticize these media. So criticizing Kim Jong-il is the safest thing to do, because they won’t be beaten or criticized, they won’t be fired or go bankrupt. And they can be financially rewarded by Imperialist America.












Of course, we'll have to borrow the 'reward' money.

No the North Korean dictatorship is too busy slaughtering it's own people so that is okay then.Between starving them to eath or torturing them to the same extreme all the same. So internal imperialism is a justifiable concept? What utter baloney.

I think the author's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek on the comment, Mr. Howie.

Could be, could be.

I saw some images of an huge military parade in North Korea. I can't remember either Soviets or Chinese having such a gigantic manifestation, absolutely impressive thing and under cold and snow conditions.

Oriental people have a cult of personality that I think we can't totally understand. Those thousands of North Korean crying the death of Kim Something weren't staging, they were deeply feeling it. That was not propaganda but reality.
And that's a force and a danger that the western world can't fight.

Try this one on for size.

As my late mother often said, Jaybro - you are destined for the bad fire. Hve you tried your Aethistic trend on those close to you? Hhhm, would love to be a fly on the wall with that one.

Belfrager has something regarding the cult of dictators and many do feel content with them. I dare say they do look after those most loyal to them for good cause and in elementary political countries easy to do. But there again the same can happen in democracies. You just cannot get a half decent dictatorship these days and seems to be a declining pastime?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Oriental people have a cult of personality that I think we can't totally understand. Those thousands of North Korean crying the death of Kim Something weren't staging, they were deeply feeling it. That was not propaganda but reality.

I wouldn't say Asians in general, but in N. Korea, yes. A common comment that I've seen on other forums is that they had to cry or get shot. No.

And a warning to the world-- "we are not changing our policy!!!"
who rules who we'll get to know(the military or the young jong un

Who is the "we"? The world will know Jong Un? He has already made a statement stating it is buisness as usual and throwing out disparaging diatribes at South Korea. Have you ever seen such a terrible country and zombie people? How you think North Korea can take on the world is a joke. Any serious attempt by them to spread would result in their destruction and good riddance at that.

N. Korea only survives due to China's treachery. They fed it and used it as an attack pup in the past and now they're not going to bother to put it down.

Well there iis something to that. It is kind of hypcritical of China too considering they are using a controlled capitalism to try and offer their people something whilst bolstering up something out of the cave wellers south of their border? They could pull the plug and make them go their way?

Treachery? While the North Korean regime offers scant glory to Chinese foreign policy, this or their involvement in the Korean war was hardly treasonous. These days South Korea is much more important to, and much more integrated with, China than their Northern counterpart. There might still be a vestigial interest in a buffer zone, but I suspect more importantly China subscribes to the doctrine of better the devil you know. A messy collapse would be damaging all over, particularly South Korea and China. On the other hand the more abhorrent the regime, the more dependent it will be on China. Only China would do business with North Korea or Burma officially (though quite a few more unofficially), being seen as "nicer" could lead to more competition, which seems to be happening in Burma. I am in Thailand right now, and it is clear that that country is quite involved in trade with its neighbour.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is kind of hypcritical of China too considering they are using a controlled capitalism to try and offer their people something whilst bolstering up something out of the cave wellers south of their border?

While the Chinese government does not seem intent on regime change, some exasperated comments aside, they clearly desire market reforms in North Korea. The Dear/Dead Leader tried that some years ago, with a surge of Chinese investors, but quickly reversed that leaving the Chinese in a lurch and losing them a huge deal of money. Currently both Chinese and the South Korean textile mills use the North Korean as a pool of extra-cheap labour, unfortunately combined with extra-low quality given the total lack of investments and the vagaries of an unreliable regime.

The Jong Un has also been fingered for a failed financial reform, so we will have to see what the future bring with the next regent.

So how do all those regimented and more or less imprisoned North Koreans get south to work in the mills?

Originally posted by jax:

Treachery? While the North Korean regime offers scant glory to Chinese foreign policy, this or their involvement in the Korean war was hardly treasonous. These days South Korea is much more important to, and much more integrated with, China than their Northern counterpart. There might still be a vestigial interest in a buffer zone, but I suspect more importantly China subscribes to the doctrine of better the devil you know. A messy collapse would be damaging all over, particularly South Korea and China. On the other hand the more abhorrent the regime, the more dependent it will be on China. Only China would do business with North Korea or Burma officially (though quite a few more unofficially), being seen as "nicer" could lead to more competition, which seems to be happening in Burma. I am in Thailand right now, and it is clear that that country is quite involved in trade with its neighbour.

A likely excuse, but the bottom line is China has propped up this amusement park of the damned called N. Korea. It's just as easy to claim that N. Korea would have collapsed from the inside had it not been for China's aid. Regardless of what anyone wants to consider what their motivation was, that's what has happened. We could just as easily say that the USA is in league with the murdering tyrants in Saudi Arabia because it would be terribly worse not to do so. Another example would be big banks getting welfare off the people's backs because they are "too big to fail". No matter what, I'm not going to excuse any of it, esp. when I don't even believe the excuses are true.

Excuse?

Assumed puppet regimes or mercenary terrorist groups tend to be less dependent on their main benefactors than many, including the benefactors themselves, may think. Cuba was supposed to collapse immediately after the fall of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union disappeared 20 years and a half dozen days ago while the Cuban regime is still here.

Cuba was supposed to collapse due to embargoes from the USA. And it's just as possible that Cuba was more than anything ideologically dependent on the USSR, not economically, as the evidence suggests. I don't remember ever hearing about famine in Cuba, but I did about N. Korea, and emergency food aid from other countries.

The bottom line is that N. Korea has a single ally in the world.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As my late mother often said, Jaybro - you are destined for the bad fire. Hve you tried your Aethistic trend on those close to you? Hhhm, would love to be a fly on the wall with that one.

I'm sure your mother was right. But don't worry because the only bad fire is a misfire when the rhino is charging.

On my atheism, everybody knows, nobody seems to care. My atheism is mine, and I don't proselytize. As far as I'm concerned, all the world can believe in the sanctity of bat shit. No skin off my nose.

You need to get out the chair more.

:party: Hooray, the insane tyrant is dead! Dang, new insane tyrant.

(A play on "The king is dead, long live the king.")

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You need to get out the chair more.

I'm up!

Originally posted by aefields:

:party: Hooray, the insane tyrant is dead! Dang, new insane tyrant.

And the propaganda machine is fully operational ?

As you can see he rides camels, personally talks to soldiers, inspects armored vehicles and rifles, brings ample foodstuffs to the people of the " Democratic People's Republic" and is beloved by all the staff of the Beesan collective farm, Ahnbyon County, Gangwon Province. Oh and even Howie will be impressed by the parades. Clearly, the first among equals is a great man.

Maybe America could follow the lead of this dictatorship and release political prisoners too considering where there are no charges or proof. But there again, North Korea doesn't espuse to being a democracy, America does? Amazing similarities.

Yes, but is he really dead? Some believed that Hitler lived out his remaining years in South America. I think that Tony Blair is still alive somewhere as well. Probably somewhere in Hemel Hempstead.

Wherever that two-faced money collector liar Blair is living is too near anyone. The Hitler baloney only appealed to emotional people who will transpose any story into reality? Mind you if Adolph had been living in Hemel Hempstead the modern pc brigade would have him as misunderstood?

Apparently Hitler once lived in Liverpool. I can't speak for Blair.

The Kim is dead. Long live the Kim!

Are you an adult still in love with fairy tales banduser?

Hitler was never in Liverppool. Another of those daft mythologies. It's like those that yakked on once about him being a house painter (in the home decoration field) when he was an artist. Our propaganda machimne spun that during WW2 but there are simple minds today that believe he was a decorator. Up here in Glasgow we have a statute on a plinth of King William 3rd of Orange in a prominent place outside the cathedral and there are bright sparks who believe an old hoary tale that the tail wags in a high wind. Another old tale is that the world famous Art Galleries & Museum in Kelvingrove Park was built back to front and the builder committed sucide due to it. More bunkum but time after time I have had to negate that one.

Any more oddities on Hitler?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Are you an adult still in love with fairy tales banduser?

Yes.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Hitler was never in Liverppool.

You can't prove that right out though can you?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Any more oddities on Hitler?

He moved to Brazil & was a TV chat host in the early 1970s.

Originally posted by banduser:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Any more oddities on Hitler?

He moved to Brazil & was a TV chat host in the early 1970s.

I lived in Brasil at the early 1970s. 1974 to 1977 more precisely. TVGlobo, the biggest tv company in Brasil was two blocks away from my house.
Are you joking?
Or should I ask, are you ten years old or a mental retarded patient?

I assumed you were at it banduser but Belfrager has beaten me to it. If you are being serious then you need to lie down on the couch and get a head shrinker. What absolute poppycock asking me to prove Hitler was never in Liverpool? Some distant relation was thought to have been there but how distant do you want? Outside of Germany/Austrai he only visited a selected conquered countries of Europe. In case you wonder why the Gestapo and SS aren't running our police I must dismay you by confirming we won the 2nd World war. If someone told me that Stalin had been in London I would get him to contact you and you can play tig together.

Hitler in Liverpool? That was so strange that I had to look it up for myself.
This is what I found:

Adolf Hitler in Liverpool

The only source for Adolf's “visit” to Liverpool is contained in Bridget's Memoir. According to Michael Unger, "The existence of Bridget's memoirs has been generally known since the early 1970's when the historian Robert Payne, gathering material for his book The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler, read them in the manuscript division of the New York Public Library”.

Payne's discovery, led to a series of articles in the Liverpool Daily Post in the early 1970's. The unfinished manuscript, which ends in mid sentence, was published for the first time in 1979, with an introduction and discussion of its authenticity by Unger, then editor of the Daily Post.

Historians have little time for the memoir, and have been highly critical of its contents feeling there are too many discrepancies (not just with the Liverpool episode) to take seriously. Indeed, Kershaw goes as far as calling the memoir a work of fiction without a grain of truth. And here lies the problem. Until something else appears placing Hitler in Liverpool, the controversy will continue. As the only source for this is Bridget's own memoir, it has inevitably undergone thorough analysis.

According to the article, there was also a novel about Hitler in Liverpool written in 1979. The author makes it very clear that she didn't do serious research into the subject and it was all a bit of fun. If Hitler did want to study art in Britain, why would he have chosen Liverpool instead of, say, London anyway?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Hitler in Liverpool? That was so strange that I had to look it up for myself.

Are you giving credit to such a stupidity?
I know you are a leftist, atheist, gay defender, pro negroes, zionist, etc, but please... that's not our fault...

At least we've moved from some insignificant Kim Jong-il to a major figure in history, and so I strongly recommend to everyone to see "The Downfall".
And no, I'm not a national-socialist, quiet different.

But it happens that your Oscars pantomime doesn't promote the fundamental cinema. And cinema can be a most powerful way of transmitting what we didn't lived. It should be.
Without the manipulations proper of the winner's "history". Or at least showing both sides.
If cinema is not about people then it's just about political propaganda.

We should have a thread about cinema.

No, I was curious because that was the first I heard of it. It didn't seem too impossible, with Hitler being pro-British (he had complained of fighting the wrong war at the time when he was at war with Britain, but had a non-aggression pact with the USSR) But as it turns out, the story was false, just as I suspected.

Ok, I take your troll bait "pro negroes" are you serious? We "barbarians" have learned to get along and, in fact, have learned that it's good business. The old days of discrimination seem rather stupid now, turning away well-qualified job applications and paying customers. This is a post-PC world now. Like I told you in the bisexual thread, we can't allow harassment and discrimination based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation because, if nothing else, it's bad for business.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Ok, I take your troll bait "pro negroes" are you serious? We "barbarians" have learned to get along and, in fact, have learned that it's good business. The old days of discrimination seem rather stupid now, turning away well-qualified job applications and paying customers. This is a post-PC world now. Like I told you in the bisexual thread, we can't allow harassment and discrimination based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation because, if nothing else, it's bad for business.

I just love this post modern leftists, they even joke about what they really lives from...
One thing one must admit, besides having invented meta hypocrisy, they have found the way of living from that...

When it comes to the left-right hypocrisy there seems to be more of a highlight from the left. We know well the secrets of many a rightist regime but the largest lefty one the old USSR is neatly bundled out of the way. After all we didn't defeat it and storm it's records.

What, pray tell, is so leftist about it? How is discriminating good for business? Las Vegas, for example, is about 52% minority (most those being Hispanic). Turn them away and watch your business crumble.

Eh?