New stuff confirmed in Opera 9.

New stuff confirmed in Opera 9.

Widgets and tab thumbnail!!

http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2006/02/opera-9-to-add-tab-thumbnail-images.html
and
http://operawatch.blogspot.com/2006/02/opera-9-will-support-widgets.html

Roll on 9!!

Looks amazing

Tell us more, tell us more!

(or just give it to us )

/me wants Opera 9 TP2!

I want a new TP !!

So F8 toggles Widgets...I´m going to start the "Why did you change the shortcut?. Opera doesn´t care about old users." thread in the beta testing forum...

Originally posted by Tracio:

So F8 toggles Widgets...

Probably old F8 became F6 a'la Firefox

..Or F4 a la IE, which would break the panel selector.

We have too many shortcuts to break!

Originally posted by Tracio:

So F8 toggles Widgets...I´m going to start the "Why did you change the shortcut?. Opera doesn´t care about old users." thread in the beta testing forum.

Add to that alt+p change to ctrl+F12 for preferences.. and don't forget to invite me

btw acoording to wikipedia all those radio buttons, check boxes are also widgets. So maybe its just a feature to remove these .. for whatever reason.

As I said on blogger

I'd personally like to know more about widgets, and whether they will have strict separation of abilities (like userjs does).

I'd also like to see (if they are actually anything like what we think they might be) how they will deal with the security issues - I have yet to see any implementation that was secure by design.

I'd hate to see BHO spyware style widgets, or even greasemonky style exploits for Opera.

However, what also would be awesome would be some sort of attempted compatibility with firefox extensions (not sure if this is at all possible, but greasemonky scripts to some extent can be eaisly converted to userjs so...).

But the security aspect still bothers me.

Of course, this all assumes that this is any sort real extension mechanism (which still seems counter to Opera's design goals).

Maybe they use code signing like they do for browserjs, and only they have the private signing key, and only sign widgets they vett? Though, how is that any better than just including them in the main browser I don't know...

Also, What is going to be tile windows now? I wish they'd stop changing the shortcuts... Well, I just change them back though.

With all this keyshortcut editing, I wish they'd finally put it the ability to edit [enter] and such, as well as the middle mouse button...

Originally posted by chesss:

Originally posted by Tracio:

So F8 toggles Widgets...I´m going to start the "Why did you change the shortcut?. Opera doesn´t care about old users." thread in the beta testing forum.

Add to that alt+p change to ctrl+F12 for preferences.. and don't forget to invite me

ALT+P still works:p

I'm beta testing I.E. 7

I would love a "new" Opera!!

Originally posted by chesss:

Originally posted by Tracio:

So F8 toggles Widgets...I´m going to start the "Why did you change the shortcut?. Opera doesn´t care about old users." thread in the beta testing forum.

Add to that alt+p change to ctrl+F12 for preferences.. and don't forget to invite me

Let's start a "grumpy old Opera Users" Group at MyOpera - that's what they were invented for, right?

Originally posted by hermen2048:

Let's start a "grumpy old Opera Users" Group at MyOpera

I'll join it!
Can't say I'm too excited about these features. Don't see a real improvement in the former, and don't know what the latter are.

I am out, i like all the inovations! :-)

One thing I forgot to mention in my post, it appears from the screenshots that I've seen, that the 'bookmark' icon in the address bar has been removed.

Originally posted by danigoldman:

One thing I forgot to mention in my post, it appears from the screenshots that I've seen, that the 'bookmark' icon in the address bar has been removed.

Perhaps it's been made optional? *hopes*

I have to admit to not being too keen on these new features. This is the reason I dumped firefox, too much bloat.

Opera have a long history of packing features in with excellent code efficiency and speed (I forget what the mindbogglingly small size claimed for the bittorrent stuff was, but it was far below any third-party client.)

Originally posted by Zotlan:

ALT+P still works

Not in that widget screenshot

Originally posted by BtEO:

(I forget what the mindbogglingly small size claimed for the bittorrent stuff was, but it was far below any third-party client.)

5kb
M2(the mail client) = 105kb

Does anyone happen to know if the thumbnail tool tip works on pages\tabs that dont have focus?

Marc: it seems to be the whole point: let yor preview pages that are not currently displayed.

Can any one tell me wats widget??

or we could start a new thread: 'how to get *back* the keyboard you were used to...'

If you missed it, wikipedia explains widgets...

Originally posted by lsaplai:

Marc: it seems to be the whole point: let yor preview pages that are not currently displayed.

I was only confused about that because the screenshot shows a thumbnail of the page being viewed But thanks for the reply.

Originally posted by shoust:

tab thumbnail!!

We need option to turn off tooltips separatly for webpages and interface to accompany this... please.

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Originally posted by shoust:

tab thumbnail!!

We need option to turn off tooltips separatly for webpages and interface to accompany this... please.

Definitely.

Originally posted by d.i.z.:

Originally posted by shoust:

tab thumbnail!!

We need option to turn off tooltips separatly for webpages and interface to accompany this... please.

And an option to turn the thumbnails on to replace the text on the tabs..something like Mac-ish Exposé would be realllly cool to show off with!

Another observation, its 'show widgets' not 'allow widgets' or 'use widgets'. Does that make a difference?

Originally posted by Junyor:

@chesss: You should check the shortcut listed for Preferences in 8.51....

\oops! Forgot i was using my custom menu and keyboard shortcuts.

we also need to have named widgets... 'screen widget' and 'control widget' must be named so -
not just 'widget' ( ???, what widget you talkin about?)

Originally posted by jp10558:

Also, What is going to be tile windows now? I wish they'd stop changing the shortcuts... Well, I just change them back though.

With all this keyshortcut editing, I wish they'd finally put it the ability to edit [enter] and such, as well as the middle mouse button...

You can edit the middle mouse button. It's the left button that you can't edit.

Originally posted by BtEO:

Opera have a long history of packing features in with excellent code efficiency and speed (I forget what the mindbogglingly small size claimed for the bittorrent stuff was, but it was far below any third-party client.)

While I don't doubt that last part, you should check uTorrent. It has all the most used features and weighs in at less than 100kB!

Yes, uTorrent is great if we "forget" about the fact that it caps your download rate according to your upload rate... Evilness, but debateable and completely off-topic.

I haven't noticed any of that. I've downloaded faster than 2000kbps while uploading less than 50kbps so that's gotta be a really forgiving ratio, or the situation is different for less popular torrents.

Originally posted by hermen2048:

And an option to turn the thumbnails on to replace the text on the tabs..something like Mac-ish Exposé would be realllly cool to show off with!

I know it's evil to quote yourself, but this is really cool, and offtopic:

FlipBack=Set preference, "User Prefs|MaximizeNewWindowsWhenAppropriate=2" & Maximize all
FlipForward=Set preference, "User Prefs|MaximizeNewWindowsWhenAppropriate=4" & Tile vertically

Gives a quite new view on multi-tabbed browsing

It has all the most used features and weighs in at less than 100kB!

no

it caps your download rate according to your upload rate

no

Aw crap, you're right. It was 96kB when I downloaded it the first time, but it has increased to 130kB for version 1.4.

Going back to the original topic, did I see mention elsewhere in the forums that changes to filter.ini are applied instantly?

Dare I hope the same will happen to browser.css?

Originally posted by BtEO:

changes to filter.ini are applied instantly?

Dare I hope the same will happen to browser.css?

I wish we had that.

Dennis,

With the next release of Opera 9 the filter.ini changes will take into effect immediately, without the need for a restart or clearing of the cache.

Originally posted by hermen2048:

Originally posted by chesss:

Originally posted by Tracio:

So F8 toggles Widgets...I´m going to start the "Why did you change the shortcut?. Opera doesn´t care about old users." thread in the beta testing forum.

Add to that alt+p change to ctrl+F12 for preferences.. and don't forget to invite me

Let's start a "grumpy old Opera Users" Group at MyOpera - that's what they were invented for, right?

I'm a "Grumpy Old, Paid Up, Opera User" (since.. was it 1.54 or 1.62? Told you I'm old.. memory lapses ;>)
when Jon actually sent out Beta anouncements to a cclist that included All our personal email addresses
(thus No list :>)

I can't complain about change... Not when I see much more benefit than pain in the changes...

Even Comapatability with FF or IE standard keys doesn't hurt especially as long as we unfortunately need
to use more than one browser to perform our daily job requirements...

Opera 8.50 = 3,60 MB
Opera 8.51 = 3,66 MB
Opera 9tp1 = 3,83 MB
Opera 9tp2 = ?

Originally posted by TheMajor:

Opera 8.50 = 3,60 MB
Opera 8.51 = 3,66 MB
Opera 9tp1 = 3,83 MB
Opera 9tp2 = ?

I'd guess just under the 4MB Mark

Might depend, if they remove debugging code (do they use that?) it might get smaller, at least going into RC...

Originally posted by TheMajor:

Opera 8.50 = 3,60 MB
Opera 8.51 = 3,66 MB
Opera 9tp1 = 3,83 MB
Opera 9tp2 = ?

I do not care, even if opera will get to 10 mg.. What the point, does it get slower? :-)
I guess no!

Well, the widget screenshot is not really convincing... We only see a menu item "Enable Widget". It could be any kind of widget... I hope they are compatible with Konfabulator widgets, because those are really cool and a lot of them already exist. But, of course, I will welcome our new widget overlords, whatever the shape and form they will come into.

The little page previews in tooltips are a nice addition too. I'm eager to see the new versions to come!

That tab thumbnail feature could terrificly well be implemented in the window panel, with a button to toggle it. When toggled a thumbnail would appear below the respective page title.
Then we'd have Opera's quick tabs.

I love the idea of tab thumbnails.But damn it, by the look of things tp2 may not be ready by the end of this year

Hih, even IE beta released sooner than Opera