Welcome to the Nintendo DS Forum

Welcome to the Nintendo DS Forum

Welcome to the Nintendo DS forums. This is the place to gossip, speculate and spread all kinds of rumors. We'll be happy to answer questions as best we can. For more information about the Opera Browser on the Nintendo DS, have a look at the official press release. Details will be posted here as they emerge.

It seems that the press release page doesn't exist yet.
Could you post some high-res photos?

There's one screenshot here: Nintendo DS "Powers Up" with Opera
Looks like we all need to get a NDS.

very nice, now when do we get hi-rez photo's and video?

Wow, i'm really happy.
I live in Holland, so I hope I can buy it on the internet.
It's really cool.

Bloe.
PS: Do you got the idea from me?
I posted in the topic about Opera for the PSP.
I would really be proud of it.

Great Opera for all devices,

Opera for any devices

Good to see a browser for the DS, now to await and Australian release...



... I'll keep dreaming, it's bound to happen months after the rest of the world.

ha apparently its $43AUD Bla

Oh well, you have to pay a price to use the internet on any hardware other than a PC.

From the looks of it, it seems that the webpages are downscaled on the lower screen and magnified up to full size on the upper.. It's not what I imagined when I first heard about this, but it certainly could work just great.

http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/02/15/ds.jpg

What I dont get is the point of a zoomed in part on the top screen, it would be better for something like information for the page, like google rank ect.

I don't think that kind of information is relevant to the vast majority of people who own a DS... This is a mass-market device, remember. The point of zooming in is to be able to read the text, I guess.

Originally posted by trinest:

What I dont get is the point of a zoomed in part on the top screen, it would be better for something like information for the page, like google rank ect.

The screens on the Nintendo DS are 256x192 pixels.. so there really is a limited amount of screen space on there. You won't be able to read anything if the full page is downscaled to the screen. That's why the magnification is handy and will make it easier to browse around.

Originally posted by haavard:

I don't think that kind of information is relevant to the vast majority of people who own a DS... This is a mass-market device, remember. The point of zooming in is to be able to read the text, I guess.

Yes because the screen resoultion on the DS is so much smaller then a standard PC the bottom screen allows you to see it as if you were looking at it on a PC while the top screen is the exact resolution.

EDIT: Yeah what A_LEE_N said /\

Originally posted by trinest:

What I dont get is the point of a zoomed in part on the top screen, it would be better for something like information for the page, like google rank ect.

The screens on the Nintendo DS are 256x192 pixels.. so there really is a limited amount of screen space on there. You won't be able to read anything if the full page is downscaled to the screen. That's why the magnification is handy and will make it easier to browse around.

Woohoo, I can't wait to buy Opera for my DS.

Originally posted by A_Lee_N:

From the looks of it, it seems that the webpages are downscaled on the lower screen and magnified up to full size on the upper.. It's not what I imagined when I first heard about this, but it certainly could work just great.

http://bb.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/static/image/2006/02/15/ds.jpg

That is actually exactly how I hoped they would do it Zoomed on one screen and a zoomed out version on another.

heh ok.

But I hope its not priced to high, like its been seggested at the momment.

I think the funny thing that if you try to log on www.nintendo.com with Opera you get the message that you have to use Firefix, Safari or IE to visit the site. And that it does not support Opera or older browers. Maybe this will get them to fix it. Which would be fun since they just recently redesigned the whole page

Originally posted by trinest:

What I dont get is the point of a zoomed in part on the top screen, it would be better for something like information for the page, like google rank ect.

Opera will have two modes: fit-to-width mode (similar to what mobile users are already familiar with their mobile phones using the Opera Mobile browser). This mode will use Small Screen Rendering to fit the page across both screens. Alternatively, there is a DS mode which displays an overall page view on the lower screen (where you may use the touch screen to navigate around a sort of "mini map") and read the text on the top screen in full-sized view.

I really hope they release it before July. I wonder if it will have a save feature for favorites, and if the cart itself will be able to save updates to the browser?

Miles.

Next, all we'll need is an instant messenger on the DS, and the world will be our oyster. That is, if you like oysters...and stuff.

Miles.

Originally posted by trinest:

But I hope its not priced to high

The price will be 3,800 JPY, which is not too much considering cartridges are not free.

Originally posted by namkcits:

Next, all we'll need is an instant messenger on the DS,

Meetroproductions is working on Meetro for Nintendo DS, it supports a variety of different IM protocols.

http://www.meetro.com/

Originally posted by A_Lee_N:

Originally posted by trinest:

But I hope its not priced to high

The price will be 3,800 JPY, which is not too much considering cartridges are not free.

Yes, 3800 JPY with ATOK, Japanese Input Method front end. It will be available this June, they say.

$30 seems about right.

Originally posted by trinest:

Could you post some high-res photos?Hebrew Forums Moderator

I didn't know Safari costs money

Yeah, I like this. Now if Nintendo could just bundle this cardridge with the DS Lite......

Another image of Opera DS.

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_bura4.jpg.jpg

Originally posted by King Nintendoid:

Yeah, I like this. Now if Nintendo could just bundle this cardridge with the DS Lite......

Nintendo won't bundle additional hardware with a device unless it's essential to that device's use. The Opera Browser is, so far, planned to only be offered as an add-on cartridge.

I really hope they'll build in a RSS-reader and an Instant Messenger and some other cool PDA features ...

It's a shame that it'll be on a cartridge, they should make a firmware-update for the ds

Grtz from Belgium

Just how much of Opera's functionality can we expect, assuming it comes out in Not-Japan?

E-Mail?
'Stylus-Gestures'?
RSS?
Flash-enabled pages?
Widgets?
The Kitchen Sink?

Also, presumably it will be a DS card and not a GBA Cart? It'd be nice to have it as a GBA Cart since I don't swap things out from down there as often as I do my DS games, but it would make more sense to use the DS Card format, presumably.

Edit:// Also, if my like 5 posts in 30 seconds hasn't given it away... I'm /very/ excited for this. haha. don't worry, I'll forget about the forums again soon and stop being annoying, haha.

According to Reuter, "A Nintendo spokesman said it was considering a similar browser product in its overseas markets."

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

E-Mail?

Unfortunately, no integrated email. But webmail - Yes

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

'Stylus-Gestures'?

Not official: I think there are some gestures, but no details yet.

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

RSS?

No details yet.

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

Flash-enabled pages?

Sadly, no Flash, no PDFs

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

Widgets?

No details yet.

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

The Kitchen Sink?

Still testing

Originally posted by Val_Parthen:

Also, presumably it will be a DS card and not a GBA Cart?

No details yet.

I would like to have built-in IRC client in opera on NDS

I think a lot of DS-owners would be very dissapointed when there will be no RSS support. That would be my main reason to buy this.

I can live without flash allthough it would be a nice extra, maybe in future updates or so ...

A mail application would be nice too, but then you have the problem that your mails and attachments are on your game cart. And how to put them from there onto your mac/pc?

I just hope there will be a way to update the application ...

The PSP allows you to save pictures. Will the DS allow you to do this. If so where will they be saved. Also, when typing, will the bottom screen be turned into a keyboard. Is there any news on how fast the browser runs compared to the PSP. I really hope this is a great product :-)

Instead of typing a Grafitti style system would be nice.

Are there details on Javascript support? In particular, will AJAX applications like Google Maps work? And if Javascript is supported, can we assume that extensions will be supported as well?

Originally posted by Argue:

Are there details on Javascript support? In particular, will AJAX applications like Google Maps work?

I think this is a much more important question than whether or not there will be an IM client or RSS reader. If you have sufficient AJAX support, you can use websites like Meebo for instant messaging and Google Reader for RSS feeds.

Ohhhhh yesh!!!! Opera DS.... sweeet!!!

If this is released in the USA, I have a feeling I'll be using my son's DS more than he does. :-o

This is great news. I can't wait!

Future owner of this software checking in.

I have a question about the two images I've seen of Opera on the DS so far:

http://www.opera.com/img/front/nintendo_ds.png
http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/2006/02/15/h-103_48745_bura4.jpg.jpg

Why use the top screen for the zoomed in view? It makes much more sense to me to see the entire page zoomed out to page width on the top screen of the DS for context, with a light or dotted box to show the portion of the webpage displayed at 100% zoom for clicking on the bottom screen. The D-pad of the DS would make an intuitive way to move the "box" around the top screen, scrolling the bottom screen like mad to see the detail of the page I want.

Forcing the user to click on a view of the page zoomed out to illegibility seems backwards to me. I could see the use of having the top screen at 100% zoom for entering data on a soft keyboard on the bottom screen, but, for the usual knocking around on the web, I very much want to be clicking on a 100% zoom display of the webpage.

This is all speculation based on a couple thumbnails that may be nothing more than mockups for the press release, but that's what this forum is for.

More pics

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060215/nin39.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060215/nin40.jpg

Original DS Vs. DSlite
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20060215/nin24.jpg

I would really like to know if it supports Java, I really hope it does.

Also, can you give us a list of all the features of Opera for DS? Like favourites, searches, and whatnot.

Originally posted by stroker:

Why use the top screen for the zoomed in view?

Maybe the touch screen is ideal for navigating around on the overview of the page? My guess is that the touch screen is a lot more comfortable than using the direction pad for navigation.

Video of Opera on DS, only a few seconds footage though.

Thanks to neo2046 from gaf for the video.
http://ghardhentai.hp.infoseek.co.jp/nintendo_wbs.avi

DS WEB BROWSER, MEMORY EXPANSION ANNOUNCED

"A DS RAM expansion card will also be bundled into the pack, which slots into the GBA port for a more pleasurable browsing experience."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=134275

eih guys, Nintendo Double Screen (DS) is only a small portable console, not a pda, not a phone, not a notebook!

i think you have to read the tech specs of DS -> http://www.nintendo.com/techspecds

if you wish to enter in details about the two cpu working on the console...
ARM7 -> http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/families/ARM7Family.html
ARM9 -> http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/families/ARM9Family.html

i think more things...

NDS is a game console, you'll use it for gaming. For this reason Nintendo doesn't want to include web-browser, im software, rss reader and much more...

The reasons:
When a player leave to gaming DS, he turn off the DS in order to save tha battery charge.
Due to the "PORTABLE" attribute, is most probable a user play DS outside the house and wan too.

I suggest...
FLASH,PDF,DOC -> the webmaster have to publish an html version of the content.
E-Mail -> read online.
RSS -> use online free feed-aggregator.
FLASH -> a website can't have FLASH as a fundament. Flash have to be the "cherry on the cake", not the cake!
JAVA* -> the only aware use of JAVA into pages, is the gaming and chat, that NDS already do too.
Javascript* / AJAX -> like flash plug-in, content have not to be accessible through Javascript/Ajax elements.
Stylus-Gestures -> I thing you have to wait. The ancient browsers hadn't that feature. But many time after it was implemented.
Widgets -> Useless too!
IRC-Client -> NDS have Pictochat. But considering the amount of data transferred by IRC protocol (ping, motd, ctcp, lists) i think it's harder too.
Google Local for mobile -> http://www.google.com/glm/

* Javascript IS NOT JAVA!

My questions:
Browser use "handheld" css media?
Browser use TAB browsing? If yes, how many tabs?
Browser has cut/copy/paste functions?
Browser for DS can be upgraded?
The cartridge can store data? It has sd/mmc slot writer/reader?

Is planned to be implemented the VOIP function? DS is similar to handset.
About this question... Voip or IM couldn't be useful in DS, cause off users turn off DS when not playing.
It would be possible to ring or sms through phone, then talk with Voip (not yet implemented) or Pictochat with DS.

You plan to sell the Nintendo DS.Lite used to make these demonstrations? If yes, i'm interested too!

Bye, Totò (Italy)

ps: Italian "minister for the innovation and technologies" Lucio STANCA emitted the accessible law for computer and data trasmissions, in order to be accessible to all users (included handicap) with any kind of browser (text,handheld,screen reader). The "Stanca Law" says "institutional site" must follow W3C Standard XHTML and must to be accessible to any kind of Browser, Phone Browser, Text reader, Screen reader...
When a site accomplish XHTML, every kind of browser can access them!

This... is great news. Congrats to all the Opera guys! I'll tell you, as a web developer AND a huge Nintendo DS fan, my mind was reeling with possibilities yesterday after I heard the news. I've already drawn up plans and started designs for my concept. This is going to be awesome. I do have some technical questions though.

In the screen shots I notice a thin scroll bar along the right hand side of the touch screen, how many pixels wide is it? Does it ever show up on the top screen when in the stretch mode? Will it support alpha transparencies in PNG files? Will it accept cookies? Will it have full CSS2 support?

That’s all I can think of for now, but I'm sure I'll come up with more later. Thanks!

sinnix - I don't have specific details about scroll-bar size and placement. The core of the DS Browser is Opera, so it should support all web standards you are familiar with in comparable devices (the Nokia 770 for example).

This is really great news- I've been on the fence this round of portables and now I am definately going to get a DS as soon as Opera is released in the US. A DS is far more practical to pull out in your typical wi-fi spot than a laptop.

I agree that ajax applications like Google Maps could truly be killer on something like this, but it IS a pretty limited system to work with in that regard.

Anyway- both companies definately have a sale coming from me and I can't wait! Congratulations!