In your eyes , What type country is China？

In your eyes , What type country is China？

1.In your eyes , What type country is China？

2.In your eyes , Taiwan is one independent country or a part of china?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Rather puzzled me about the last part there about the Republic of China on Taiwan. The government is not Chinese but the people are?? I can appreciate mixtures but those existed on the mainland too and as originally a Province of China kind of - well, Chinese? It has a very distinctive difference from it's big brother across the Straits in that in Taipeh they are democratic.

Well, the people of Taiwan are Chinese. Many still have extended family on the mainland. I have been to both China and Taiwan, and while there are many differences in politics, practice of religion, economics etc, Taiwan is definitely ethnically Chinese. If you speak to someone in China, the Taiwanese are long lost brothers that are victims of a dissident government. In Taiwan, they have the same opinion of those on the mainland. What I meant to say previously is that the people of both countries see themselves as one, split by politics, much like North/South Korea.

Ah, that's better and much clearer. Thanks for that xidcat. Many years ago I wrote to Chiang Kai Shek and for a long time received newspapers and magazines from Taipeh. It was perhaps a little more controlled then. Those on Taiwan who want 'independence' rather than be the Republic of China are playing a dangerous game and |I would rather see it continue as it is for the present. The KMT are obviously with their history, dead against that which is something.

(<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines">Some Taiwanese</a> are not Han Chinese) For their disagreements in the past, the Communist Party of China and the Kuomintang share a common enemy, the Taiwanese <i>Democratic Progressive Party</i>, and indeed the US doesn't want the party to succeed to secede either (the Republicans and Democrats seem to agree on that). Just recently <i>Foreign Affairs</i> <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65901/bruce-gilley/not-so-dire-straits">published</a> an article arguing for a finlandization of Taiwan.

As it happens as soon as the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Shui-bian">DPP former President</a> of the Republic of China, the only non-Kuomintang Taiwanese President to date, stepped down he was charged with corruption and money laundering and is now facing a life sentence. I used to think that Taiwan had drifted apart from Mainland China and it would only be a matter of time that there would be two independent countries. Now it seems as likely that they both will be ruled from Shanghai in the decades to come.

Well I don't see how you manage to conjure the ruling from Shanghai. You would have to base that assumption on military invasion because there is no way Taipeh is going to give up democracy as I see it?

Shanghai is the financial centre and port to China, soon overshadowing Hong Kong in the latter regard and Taipei in the former, and in population it is already the largest city in China and the richest one on the mainland. Crucially the breakneck economic expansion of Shanghai, the New York of the 21st century, is largely financed by Taiwanese money. Economically Taiwan and the mainland are uniting, and rich Taipeinese tycoons are as loath to rock the boat as Beijingese party officials would be.

What I implied, and find interesting, is how economic power (symbolised with Shanghai) will coexist with political power (symbolised with Beijing).

That's as maybe but I cannot see Taiwan rushing to be part of a dictatorship.

The land of Bruce Lee

Give them back the Ming Dynasty. The best to them and to the West.

Give who the dynasty - the Peoples' Republic of China or the Republic of China?!

I am a chinese and this is my first time to load in a foreign web in another contry...
I love china althrough the free speech is really precious in china and we can not view such topic in our internet. Althrough i am a party member i don not think commuisim is better than other regimes. The most important thing is the contry should lead a healty and happy life of her people. China has many problems...
We really don not have the ambition or interesting to invade any contries.if you came here, you will find people here is very kind,frindly but a little cunning...i don not understand why some westerns think china is dangerous,just because the different regimes? People in the world should be together to live a better life.
也不知道我这篇写的大家读的懂不。。。英语太差啦。。。祝你们一切顺利~

Well we look forward to the day that Chinese people will be free to air views unlike at present. There are plenty of giant prisoncamps across the country full of people who don't follow the Party line choyy. However the country is moving in leaps and bounds and has had to use a commercial direction to give the people something proper than a little Red Book!

Originally posted by choyy:

The most important thing is the contry should lead a healty and happy life of her people. China has many problems...We really don not have the ambition or interesting to invade any contries.if you came here, you will find people here is very kind,frindly but a little cunning...

欢迎! I have come here already, living in Beijing. "Very kind, friendly, but a little cunning", yes, I could agree with that.

I have said it a few times, but the country China reminds me most of is (a poorer, earlier) USA.

I see China as the next superpower. While in this thread many have said years ago(!) that China is merely a local power, as it doesn't have military bases all over the globe like USA and that still holds true, it is not a strict requirement in order to be a superpower. China is over twice as large as EU with twice the population. It's only a little smaller than USA with over 5 times the population. China is already an empire, as it has 51 different ethnic groups within. I'm not sure about China's resources, but vast majority of all rare earth metals used in fine electronics are within China's borders. China is investing heavily in Africa to gain more resources - something EU and USA are hesitant to do due to strict policy against dealing with pseudo-democracies (intrestingly China is excluded from that club). Energy-wise, China is by far largest investor in solar power. When discussing what is a modern superpower, the bases around the world is moot. It is all about energy and resources. Culturally, China has just recently begun to shelve revolutionary ideals and embraced its long history. Scientifically, China has already surpassed the status of copycat country and started to innovate heavily on its own and apply innovations as well (5th most publications in the world currently, if I recall correctly). Education quality in China demonstrated strongly recently, when it scored the highest marks in PISA.

Shortly put, China has all the cards in its hand except capability of projecting military force across the globe. In fact, the lack of bases around the world and non-interventionist foreign policy are widely regarded as positive traits in Europe. This is in stark contrast to the current superpower USA, which is increasingly seen as the greatest threat to world peace, and it has reflections in politics, for example attack on Iraq practically destroyed political will in Finland to apply for NATO membership and that issue is pretty much labeled as "discussed & abandoned" nowadays. The only true obstacles are the problems within: corruption, enviromental destruction, and the heavy censorship which prevents China from being like Japan.

The wishful thinking that China can never achieve prosperity of democratic nations is false in historical sense. Prosperity follows resources and energy, democracy may follow prosperity. It has always been that way around. Democracy in itself is nothing else except extension of aeons old bureaucratic management.

I see China as the next superpower, and I think Taiwan has every right to be independent.

Originally posted by beiren:

China is investing heavily in Africa to gain more resources - something EU and USA are hesitant to do due to strict policy against dealing with pseudo-democracies (intrestingly China is excluded from that club).

What about an antipathy against neo-colonialism?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by beiren:

China is investing heavily in Africa to gain more resources - something EU and USA are hesitant to do due to strict policy against dealing with pseudo-democracies (intrestingly China is excluded from that club).

What about an antipathy against neo-colonialism?

Antipathy by African countries, African citizens, EU, USA, the Chinese or their citizens, and what do you mean by neo-colonialism? Please clarify.

I think he may be meaning that it is neo-colonialism in the economic sense rather than a physical control of places. The USA has a milyaarty neo-colonialism. Both however become a form of empire.

Well, the two of you have convinced me. The US is a neo-colonial state. I'm sometimes slow to learn.

Well kind of understandable and we make allowances for anyone living in a country that produces Fox News. Ne-cololonialism is of course cheaper than running countries physically. Just drain them into the economic commercialism. Clever doing an empire on the cheap and making oodles of profit.

Fox News

Originally posted by XnonX:

1.In your eyes , What type country is China？]

I'm thinking Asian.

Having to suffer having Fox doesn't help thinking.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Having to suffer having Fox doesn't help thinking.

Nobody forces anyone to actually watch faux news. Yet.

China is a large region under the thumb of [insert long, angry, insulting diatribe here]. But I can't see them as total victims: considering what the Chinese people live under, they have displayed their instinctive nastiness: infanticide, etc. But, to give perspective, I must say that most people everywhere do nasty things to each other no matter what their government. It must be their animal nature.

The way you are losing freedoms Macallan it is coming and a closer comparison with China!

Mark Thompson, the BBC's director general, said British broadcasters should be free to launch an equivalent to Fox News in the UK because existing rules to guarantee impartiality in television were becoming outdated in the era of the internet.

That was in 2010.

I've never watched Fox News. No plans to ever do so. Occasionally watch the PBS Newshour, a public news source that sells no toothpaste, bras or cookies.

Doesn't mean that Thompson means a carbon copy of that lot at all. And anyway it isn't likely to happen here anyway. Such drivel wouldn't be tolerable and we have BBCNews, ITV News and Sky so for us the room is crowded. Lots of ex-colonists love Fox hence it's staying power which says something about the body politic that isn't very healthy. He's leaving anyway so wants to go with being noticed. It is still your problem over there!

(Just to get the ball rolling again... ) China is the sort of country that Mankind tends to. That's why America (the U.S.) is often said to be exceptional.

Good grief OakdaleFTL. Are we all elsewhere in the globe as unknowing as the average Joe across the pond? Most of have worked out that America is the US.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Good grief OakdaleFTL. Are we all elsewhere in the globe as unknowing as the average Joe across the pond? Most of have worked out that America is the US.

Not quite true, actually. The US is certainly on the North American continent, but we're not exclusive here. There's Mexico to the South, and Canada to the North, and both of these countries have right to claim to be American.

While we're at it, don't forget all the nations in Central and South America. They're Americans, too.

Otherwise, it would be like claiming Scotland was Europe and expecting everybody else to recognise that, somehow forgetting all the other nations that share the continent and nearby islands.

Pedantic nonsense I am afraid, Chicagoan. Everyone from Primary School upwards knows that the word "America" and "USA" are as synonymous as Laurel & Hardy. When people say "I am going to America" everyone knows where they mean. No-one says "Is it Mexico, Argentine, Canada, etc, etc" You know that fine well so a round the houses bit of gobblygook if ever there was one.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Having to suffer having Fox doesn't help thinking.

Utterly bogus issue. With all of the news resources at hand, why go to TV for news. I don't.

I've never watched Fox News and don't watch NBC News, or CBS News, Or BBC America?

"Having Fox" What does that mean?

Do you watch TV news? If so, why?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Having to suffer having Fox doesn't help thinking.

You've watched Fox News? Why?

Utterly bogus issue. With all of the news resources at hand, why go to TV for news. I don't.

I've never watched Fox News and don't watch NBC News, or CBS News, Or BBC America?

"Having Fox" What does that mean?

Do you watch TV news? If so, why?

BTW, I watch Fox for my favorite show, "House", with Hugh Laurie. You might know him.

What kind of country is China?

One that exercises it's influence with North Korea in a positive manner.

PYONGYANG (Reuters) - Isolated and impoverished North Korea said on Tuesday it was ready to go ahead with its proposed long-range rocket launch, an announcement that sparked immediate condemnation from South Korea and Russia and a plea from China, its main ally, for calm.
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It would be in the interests of both China and North Korea at this juncture to say Beijing has little influence over Pyongyang. But the countries have maintained warm relations despite tensions in recent years. Before his death last year, North Korean leader Kim Jong-il visited China four times between May 2010 and August 2011. His son Kim Jong-un, who is now leader of the autocratic state, is believed to have accompanied him on at least one of this trips.

The greatest threat is the US, however. Nobody trusts us!

No I don't Fox News I'm British not a zombie.

Unfortunately yo are right of course that nobody trusts the US of A for goodly reason. A really sad reflection but self caused.

-If I had the personal choice I would prefer to visit the Republic of China rather than the Peoples Republic of China.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

No I don't Fox News I'm British not a zombie.

Unfortunately yo are right of course that nobody trusts the US of A for goodly reason. A really sad reflection but self caused.

If you don't watch Fox News, then why this?

Having to suffer having Fox doesn't help thinking.

What do you know about what you don't know?
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On the trust issue, we have too many guns and too many military bases. Sadly, there's no large, organized opposition to it. What's a retired old fart to do?

Spend even more time with my grandboys, that's what.

That's me above...logged into a frivolous thread. Sorry.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

What kind of country is China? One that exercises it's influence with North Korea in a positive manner.

I liked this article in Chicago Tribune better for the lousy pun than the lousy joke.

Originally posted by Chicago Tribune:

The United States, which has said the launch will give the unpredictable state an opportunity to test ballistic missile technology, wants Beijing to use its influence to halt the lift-off.

"China has pressured North Korea to abandon (the launch) because it adds new variables and gives the United States an excuse to return to Asia," the source with ties to the leadership told Reuters, requesting anonymity to avoid repercussions.

"China does not want to see this because Beijing and Shanghai are within range" of North Korean ballistic missiles, he said, referring to China's political and financial capitals and providing further evidence that Beijing does not have fully warm and friendly ties with its unpredictable neighbor.

Critics however are convinced China, the main provider of food and energy aid to its isolated neighbor, could do more to force North Korea to scrap the launch.

Well ggg-bro as it wasn't apprently clear to your tired brain let me clarify it especially for you.

I was referring to Fox News being in Americas and the intelligent having to suffer it. And there is still a problem in that millions of brain dead ex-Colonists think it great enough to want to tune into the thing! Such a thing as that would'nt take here hence...zombies.

Oh yea, right, Jaybro. Considering you can start frivilous threads and indeed add such a description to many of your own inputs to others you have detracted from your attempt to rubbish this one. For a retired teach you slipped up with this one. Dear, oh dear!