Opera for Pocket PC, Beta 2 - provide feedback in this thread

Opera for Pocket PC, Beta 2 - provide feedback in this thread

Beta 2 of Opera for Pocket PC is now available for download.

The version is available for both WM 2003 and WM 5.0.

Beta 2 will expire June 1st 2006.

To all of our great Beta users. Based on all your previous feedback, we have decided to ship an updated Beta and continue
to improve the product before we ship a final version.
We do have one surprise for you and that is tabs Check out our new tabs - we think you will like them.

Help us deliver a great final product by submitting your feedback in this thread. Please remember to include info on which
device and version of Windows Mobile you are using.
Thank you so much, we really appreciate your testing.

New features in this build

- tabs
- support for http upload
- keyboard shortcuts:
tab (next form element)
space (scroll down one page)

Known issues in this build:
* some issues with fullscreen
* Opera may steal focus from other applications
* WM 2003 specific: Opera may stop downloading if you have visited many big Web sites.
The solution to fix the problem is to Exit Opera by pressing Ctrl+Q. Then restart Opera.

To download, see our product pages: http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/

Installation instructions:

- The CAB installer package can either be downloaded directly to the Pocket PC, or downloaded using your desktop computer,
and transferred to the Pocket PC using your ActiveSync software.
- Use Start, File Explorer on the Pocket PC to locate and run the installer
package.
- Follow any instructions to complete the install
- You can now run Opera using Start, Programs, Opera Browser.

Happy surfing with the new beta!

Looking forward to hear your opinions.

All the best from,
Anne-Hilde and the rest of the Windows Mobile team

And this all what you could make for 45 days?

no comments...

Hi Jimmer

What do you want?
Put it on your wishlist

(btw, we have of course fixed a lot of bugs)

Anne-Hilde

This is a huge improvement over the first beta, it doesn't hang up as it used to and the tab thing is fantastic! I can see tons of huge improvements, I have to admit that the first superbugged beta worried me a little but this is miles ahead! However: I can understand that the keyboard popping out every time is needed was a requested feature, but this exits full screen, which can be very annoying for external keyboard users like me! I would add the option not to automatically pop out the virtual keyboard.
A new strange bug seems to be that every time I hit the space bar, two spaces come out!!! as it shows in this message!!!
PS I am writing from a WM2003 Dell Axim X50v equipped with a thinkoutside stowaway bluetooth keyboard

EDIT: uh, it seems that the double space issue happens only when I am writing a form like the ones in forums, and it shows only when i am writing... not in the post... strange...
When I have more than one tab, things tend to load up veeeery slowly!!! In fact, I am trying now to open a google page in a second tab, and nothing happens at all!!!
New edit: google just doesn't load!! even if I make searches from the browser home page, google does not load at all!

Anne---I think it would be fair to all the people beta testing and giving help,advise,wishlists etc if we had some idea of what price area this product will be when it comes out ..do you have any figure in mind?

Originally posted by Jimmer:

And this all what you could make for 45 days?

no comments...

Well, actually, you can join the Opera team - they're looking for WM/WinCE developers (see http://www.opera.com/company/jobs/windows_ce_device_developers.dml and http://www.opera.com/company/jobs/win_mobile_developers.dml ) THEN, you can complain about the new build and the rate it's developed.

BTW, I will post a thorough review and bug report of the new version really soon.

Originally posted by wolfprince79:

Anne---I think it would be fair to all the people beta testing and giving help,advise,wishlists etc if we had some idea of what price area this product will be when it comes out ..do you have any figure in mind?

The price for Pocket PC will be in line with our other Mobile products.

Anne-Hilde

Anne-Hilde, i mean that very few of visible changes... For example - i can't look the single image on web-page. Why so there are not enough improvements for such big term?

Just installed it and it looks nice on my Ipaq 4700. However, I would like the install program to ask me where I want it to go. I have tons of space in the Ipaq File Store - but it insisted on putting it into main memory. With WM2003, this is not good !!

Alan

Originally posted by Elvin_Atombender:

New edit: google just doesn't load!! even if I make searches from the browser home page, google does

Hm, it may be the issue we have reported on the known issue list for WM 2003 devices, (if you have opened a lot of Web pages) but not sure.
Try to use Ctrl+q. And then restart.

Anne-Hilde

Originally posted by alan sh:

Just installed it and it looks nice on my Ipaq 4700. However, I would like the install program to ask me where I want it to go. I have tons of space in the Ipaq File Store - but it insisted on putting it into main memory. With WM2003, this is not good !!

Alan

Alan read this: http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=114110

Looking good--posting with ipaq 4700
5 tabs open

Uhm... installation is still buggy on WM2003 (and maybe WM5 too): Opera is still using 'Application Data' folder on main memory. This time, however, the program works even if localized WM versions use a translated name for that folder ('Application Data' is 'Dati Applicazioni' in italian).

The problem, for WM2003 users, is still the memory consumption.
PLS, modify the installation routine so that only the bare minimum (if any) is copied to our precious and little RAM!!!

I'm going to relocate it before testing. See you later for comments and bugs reporting...

Bye bye,
Isidoro

It looks like a real browser now ...I might even buy it ,when its final

first impressions:
Google loads ok
the speed on wm2k3se improved (even further)
the tabs load quite easily and with speed. no problems on closing tabs whatsoever.

problem with right-to-left languages: the words appear correct but the sentences appear left to write:
as if i was writing: "writing was i if as"


BTW: the beta is free untill 6.1.06 - thanks, guys

(using Axim x50v with WM2k3SE)

Originally posted by jukov:

first impressions:
problem with right-to-left languages: the words are appeare correct but the sentences appear left to write:
as if i was writing: "writing was i if as"(using Axim x50v with WM2k3SE)

Could you provide us with a url?

Thanks.

Anne-Hilde

well here is a hebrew site: http://ynet.co.il but I can't see how this would hrlp you unless you have a Hebrew or Arabic speaking developer...

Using this on an O2 mini s (HTC Wizard). Works well but my main bugbear is that I shouldn't need to take out the stylus to go navigate 'back', especially when the keyboard is open. Even MS IE allows you to use the 'backspace' key (when the keyboard is open) to navigate 'back'.

I realise I can do this via the menus but I don't want to have to make 5 clicks just to go back.

Not being able to navigate with the keyboard alone would be enough to put me off using this browser altogether (which is a shame!). Let me know if I'm missing something here - couldn't see anything in the help files immediately.

(I think someone else has highlighted this on another thread.)

Kitt.

Device: O2 Mini s (HTC Wizard)
OS: WM5 OS 5.1.70 (Build 14406.1.1.1)
ROM: 1.5.4.2 WWE

HTC Universal.
Much faster than first beta so far.

For some reason, this particular page doesn't load too well - you can do a slight scroll left and right, and this with the standard settings.

Some issues I found with text entry:
While typing, I also note that the text box doesn't show everything. While typing the text contents scrolls horizontally as well, so it's difficult to see everything you typed. Also, there is the double spacing issue mentioned in the earlier beta (and above).
Text entry fields don't use the autocomplete functionality in Windows Mobile.
And it looks like keyboard text commands (shift-selecting, keyboard tap-and-hold, and the delete key, aren't working)

This version has the same problem that Beta 1 had: It didn't work on my Spanish X51v.
The only way is to change the PPC to US in regional settings, but it causes many troubles with other programs...

Here's my review of the new version:

Even the first beta version of Opera was a real relevation for the Pocket PC community. Much as it had several bugs (particularly on pre-Windows Mobile 5 devices), it has quickly become the browser of choice for many Pocket PC users (including me), at least on Windows Mobile 5.

The new version is, speed-wise, clearly the best browser I've ever seen for the Pocket PC. It's much-much faster than the alternatives. You'll certainly love it!

The good

* The WM2003(SE) version seems to be working great: I haven't encountered the infamous Opera-is-stalled bug under pre-WM5 operating system any more. I've tested the new version of Opera with all the test pages (the search facility at http://www.europe.com/en/ - screenshot here; RedHotPawn) that make the previous version stall at once. No problems encountered so far.

This may be related to the fact that now Opera senses some Web servers' not answering – see this and this message.

A iPAQ 2210 screenshot can be seen here and here (the latter taken at 25% zoom level so that the entire chessboard is visible) – as can be seen, as opposed to b1, I could log in and play on my iPAQ 2210 as well.

* It feels much faster than beta1, which is a feat in itself because beta 1 was already much faster than any alternative browser.

* There's tab support! (See the screenshots provided for examples.)

* The bug related to not being able to display loooooong pages is fixed. It worked great with all the pages I've thrown it at; an example screenshot of Tero Lehto's blog is here.

* Much as the new version is still using custom (non-native) GUI components, one of the biggest problems, that is, the text areas hiding the last characters in each row behind the scrollbar, is fixed as can be seen in here.

* The "You have XX days left of your trial period" dialog is no longer displayed at startup.

(There must be tons of other bugfixes, as far as previous beta1 bugs are concerned; these were the ones I've explicitly tested and compared to beta1.)

The bad

* After scrolling a page with any amount (or going to a new page), you will not be able to directly tap-and-hold a link to bring up the context menu (so that you can open the link in a new tab) without the need for at least partially highlight it (or the text that contains it). Fortunately, this is a minor annoyance and you'll quickly learn how to highlight (part) the link without clicking it.

* The new version is still using custom GUI components, which makes it impossible to use any kind of common Windows keyboard shortcuts. This is a mayor annoyance to anybody using an external keyboard to enter a lot of texts and wanting to use the traditional Windows shortcuts to quickly navigate through / highlight / copy/cut/paste text in the text input components.

* On some Pocket PC's (for example, the Pocket Loox 720) the new version still uses non-proportional Courier New fonts in the address bar / in the tab titles. This is a minor annoyance, though.

* Unfortunately, the settings dialogs (screenshot 1 and 2) are as simple as in beta1. The latter, however, now has a new checkbox, " Set Opera as default browser", which makes it unnecessary to manually import a registry file (please see the articles in the Recommended links section for the registry import file I've created for beta1 to revert the default browser assignments) in order to revert back to using Pocket Internet Explorer (if you make Opera the default Web browser on your Pocket PC).

Nevertheless, the lack of detailed settings dialogs are not a problem – with manually editing (or, downloading my sample configuration files) the main configuration files of Opera, you can fine-tune it (scrollbar visibility, proxy usage, scroll behaviour etc).

* Under WM2003, Menu/Display/Landscape still doesn't rotate the viewport. Again, this would be pretty easy to implement because Opera, unlike for example the Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE) plug-ins or almost all ( uBook and Mobipocket Reader being the most important exceptions) e-book readers, doesn't need to rely on the Portrait-only, underlying PIE engine. This is a minor problem though and "only" affecting WM2003 users – screen rotation works great in post-WM2003 operating systems.

* Still no advanced context menus (copy link, save image), no in-page searching etc. These are, however, only minor annoyances, which don't have a negative effect on the browsing experience itself.

* Still no " One Column" view mode like that of PIE starting with WM2003SE or the PIE plug-in PIEPlus (see this review on the latest version of latter, including a detailed comparison of the "one column" modes offered by PIE and PIEPlus). This would be very useful to maximize the usage of the available screen estate on many pages; for example, the XDA-Dev forums (example screenshot of Opera 8.5b2 rendering the latter here – as can be seen, the useful contents of the page only occupies about 65-70% of the available horizontal screen estate. With a real "One Column" mode, it'd be close to 100%).

* Still no support for system-level favourites. This would also be really easy to implement as there's nothing particular about the .url files in \Windows\Favorites – they're really-really easy to process. (I'd say a hour's work for an average C++ programmer.)

Verdict

I can only use superlatives when speaking of this application. Despite its (still) missing functionalities, its speed and compatibility is just phenomenal.

Recommended links

The following articles/tips all discuss/are all related to the previous, beta 1 version. Note that some of their contents is now that they are fixed are outdated. They may still be worth checking out - particularly the ones on manually editing the Opera configuration files. You'll find a lot of information in these articles never published by anyone else.

ESSENTIAL (NEW, UNIQUE BUGFIXES!!!) to know about the great Web browser, Opera beta! - I haven't run into the same problem with the new Opera version – yet. This doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't exist any more – therefore, if the address bar auto-completion crashes your Pocket PC with beta2 too, make sure you read this article.

Modify the default scrolling behaviour of Pocket PC Web browsers. Note that even the beta 2 of Opera uses jump-by-link by default (on all operating systems, not just WM5), as far as its D-pad navigation is concerned; you will most probably want to override this and switch to the 'scroll a page at a time' behaviour. Note that the new scroll a page feature (invokable via the Space key) only works on devices with a built-in keyboard; for example, on the HTC Wizard (screenshot of Opera running on my HTC Wizard here).

Opera 8.5 beta on WM5 - it is certainly different from the WM2003(SE) version and is working GREAT!

WM5 compliance report: the bandwidth reduction service OnSpeed works pretty good; additional Toonel information – this article will be useful for everyone that wants to configure his or her Opera to access the Web sites through a HTTP proxy.

Pocket PC version of Famous Web Browser, Opera 8.5 beta Officially Released!

Originally posted by Jimmer:

Anne-Hilde, i mean that very few of visible changes... For example - i can't look the single image on web-page. Why so there are not enough improvements for such big term?

All the bugs I've pointed out in beta 1 has been fixed. That's what I call something! (Of course, as I've pointed out in my new review, there're still missing functionalities in the new version. But at least it's now working stable even on pre-WM5 devices. And, I should add, much faster than beta 1.)

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Originally posted by jukov:

well here is a hebrew site: http://ynet.co.il but I can't see how this would hrlp you unless you have a Hebrew or Arabic speaking developer...

Are you using fit to screen mode? Try to disable fit to screen and check if this makes the page display correctly.


Anne-Hilde

Originally posted by Menneisyys:

I can only use superlatives when speaking of this application. Despite its (still) missing functionalities, its speed and compatibility is just phenomenal.

Thanks for this great report and the nice words.


Anne-Hilde

Hello !!!!! Dont work on Spanish Wm5 yet, it is the same as firs Beta...i cant install on hx2790 aslo its imposible to install on SD card.

Are Opera Working on it ???

Thanks Luis

We will of course look into it and find out what's causing it.

Anne-Hilde

Originally posted by ahv:

Originally posted by jukov:

well here is a hebrew site: http://ynet.co.il but I can't see how this would hrlp you unless you have a Hebrew or Arabic speaking developer...

Are you using fit to screen mode? Try to disable fit to screen and check if this makes the page display correctly.


Anne-Hilde

Yes, using fit to screen enabled and disabled - same results

Just installed the latest beta. It looks like there are some nice new features. There's still a couple of things I'd like to see changed:

1. Use the built in Windows bookmarks. These get backed up/synced with the desktop in ActiveSync and are much better than the proprietary format used by Opera.

2. Implement some way to get rid of the default browser nag message on startup. I can't find any way to disable it.

3. Improve the zoom implementation. I have problems viewing lofi versions of certain websites. Take a look at http://www.modaco.com/lofiversion/index.php/ . You'll see that the text oeverlaps the bounding box in 100% mode. This does not happen in PIE.

Originally posted by beemer:

This version has the same problem that Beta 1 had: It didn't work on my Spanish X51v.
The only way is to change the PPC to US in regional settings, but it causes many troubles with other programs...

Hello, this sounds strange. Could you check if you in addition to your "Application Data" folder (written in Spanish language), also have
a folder named "Application Data" (English)?

Gracias

Anne-Hilde

The download link is broken.....

Hello.

Originally posted by ahv:

Originally posted by beemer:

This version has the same problem that Beta 1 had: It didn't work on my Spanish X51v.
The only way is to change the PPC to US in regional settings, but it causes many troubles with other programs...

Hello, this sounds strange. Could you check if you in addition to your "Application Data" folder (written in Spanish language), also have
a folder named "Application Data" (English)?

Gracias

Anne-Hilde

I have an Spanish X51v too. And that's rigth, the only way to work with your program is change language.
But only can found a folder named "Application Data\Opera" (and some other programs), no other folder name or translation of this folder name to spanish.
I hope you solve this bug before next beta... It's no new!

Thanks in advance.
Regards.
Jpci

I think what will make people less bitchy (see first page), is a changelog much like the PC releases have.
So people will see what was changed and not just 2 new features ("gosh oh gosh!!11!!!111, just 2 new features in 45 days?!").

We will soon provide a changelog available from this site: http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/

Anne-Hilde

Using it on WM5 on my cingular 8125 (imate kjam). Seems like the address bar could be about half the height it currently is if the back button, refresh were to be shrunk down a little.

Still think it would be nice to select the download folder in the options instead of an ini file.

Originally posted by Jimmer:

Anne-Hilde, i mean that very few of visible changes... For example - i can't look the single image on web-page. Why so there are not enough improvements for such big term?

Visible changes aren't necessarily the most important ones. Changes going on "under the hood" are often more important than user interface changes or features. While they may not be visible to you, you will notice them because things just work better in general.

Let's try to keep things in perspective here.

Originally posted by ahv:

Originally posted by beemer:

This version has the same problem that Beta 1 had: It didn't work on my Spanish X51v.
The only way is to change the PPC to US in regional settings, but it causes many troubles with other programs...

Hello, this sounds strange. Could you check if you in addition to your "Application Data" folder (written in Spanish language), also have
a folder named "Application Data" (English)?

Gracias

Anne-Hilde

Hi Anne,
Spanish X51 has a literal "Application Data". Probably Dell had to have traduced it to "Datos de aplicacion" but they didn`t.
Opera Data is installed on my machine under : "\Application Data\Opera"
And opera.ini seems to point correctly to the directory (some lines copied):
Opera Directory=\Application Data\Opera
Home URL=\Application Data\Opera\startpage\home.html
Help Directory=\Application Data\Opera\Help
Button Set=\Application Data\Opera\skin\windows_skin.zip

I
Hope helps...

I am very disappointed to see that one of the biggest problems I reported for Beta 1 has not been fixed in Beta 2:

Opera Beta 2 still picks a random font from \Windows\Fonts directory and uses it as its own main font. For example, if I have a Hebrew or Greek font there, I will see that Hebrew or Greek font used to display URL address in the address bar, as well as all contents of the pages I visit.

\Windows\Fonts directory has to either be empty or contain English only fonts for Opera to work correctly. Since a lot of Windows Mobile users require special (Bookings, Windings, etc.) or national (Hebrew, Greek, Polish, etc.) fonts to be present in \Windows\Fonts folder for other applications to work correctly, there is definitively a need to finally fix this Opera problem!

Cheers,

Casius
HP iPaq hx4700 (VGA) with Windows Mobile 2003 SE

Originally posted by beemer:

Originally posted by ahv:

Originally posted by beemer:

This version has the same problem that Beta 1 had: It didn't work on my Spanish X51v.
The only way is to change the PPC to US in regional settings, but it causes many troubles with other programs...

Hello, this sounds strange. Could you check if you in addition to your "Application Data" folder (written in Spanish language), also have
a folder named "Application Data" (English)?

Gracias

Anne-Hilde

Hi Anne,
Spanish X51 has a literal "Application Data". Probably Dell had to have traduced it to "Datos de aplicacion" but they didn`t.
Opera Data is installed on my machine under : "\Application Data\Opera"
And opera.ini seems to point correctly to the directory (some lines copied):
Opera Directory=\Application Data\Opera
Home URL=\Application Data\Opera\startpage\home.html
Help Directory=\Application Data\Opera\Help
Button Set=\Application Data\Opera\skin\windows_skin.zip

I
Hope helps...

I agree with Beemer. There are a lot of spanish people (with Dell Axim x51v) trying to use this browser and everybody gets this error. I've tried all possible solutions in beta 1 and nothing worked. Now it's the same as Beemer says.

I'm using a UTStarcom 6700 on the Telus Newtwork. I have three observations/bugs that I still see.

1)It opens very very slow. I have it installed to a storage card. At it's present size it's pretty hard to install it in main memory. I don't know if being on a storage card has any effect on this issue or not.

2)I cannot open a link in any email. I get a lenghty error message. This is with Opera set as the default browser.

3) With PIE if you try to navigate to a site when WiFi is turned off, it turns it on automatically. Opera does not do this. It just comes up with another error message. You need to first turn WiFi on then open Opera. This is no biggie, but I'm an old dog, and new tricks come slowly.

There are a few other improvements that would be nice, such as being able to import favorites, but otherwise this seems like a great browser. Easily the best available, even though it is still in beta.....GO Opera!

Dave

not compatable when using the 'font on storage' program

Where does Opera store the bookmarks? I'd like to copy my PIE favorites into Opera.

My issues are still loud and proud (albeit I just tried Opera and posted issues on the previous board on Feb. 23rd)
I am using a Dell Axim x51v

Problem 1.
When you use TAP & HOLD on a page in Opera, 2 more options should be available:

1. Add (current) page to Bookmarks
2. Load images/No images (toggle)

Problem 2.
Your ZOOM choice should be remembered after closing and opening Opera. As it is, you have to toggle it everytime you turn on Opera.

Problem 3.
I thought all pop-ups would be blocked, but going to a site like "mail.com" gives you a pop-up window unfortunately. I like the new tabs though, Great!

Problem 4 (Partially FIXED!).
The option to have the keyboard pop up onscreen when you tap on an input box now is working BUT when in FULLSCREEN mode and you tap on an input box, the browser leaves FULLSCREEN and does not return to FULLSCREEN after you tap away from the input box. The keyboard should disappear when tapping away from input box (like PIE does) and return you to FULLSCREEN mode

Problem 5.
Page down for the D-Pad should be an option so that you don't have to edit the .INI file for this functionality.


Recommended Link for PDA users:
http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread.php?t=96235

Originally posted by ahv:

We will of course look into it and find out what's causing it.

Anne-Hilde

Thanks Anne, I hope they find solution soon

Is it possible to make a keyboard shortcut for the 'back'button?
Or even better, make the left softkey back-button as in PIE...

Is it possible to resize the buttton/adresbar? Its to large for my HTC wizard.

some of the pages in ameritrade.com doesnt display correctly, it only displaying about half the screen and the bottom scroll bar is missing/doesnt appear. also, it doesnt load the newest pages, i have to manually refresh the pages.
wishlist: support JAVA, and Flash

Originally posted by ahv:

The price for Pocket PC will be in line with our other Mobile products.

Anne-Hilde

And then you buy it and they stop developing it. I hate to sound cynical, but I bought 8.0 to support development on the Smartphone platform. It turns out I was bankrolling development for Pocket PC.

Originally posted by bmastenbrook:

Originally posted by ahv:

The price for Pocket PC will be in line with our other Mobile products.

Anne-Hilde

And then you buy it and they stop developing it. I hate to sound cynical, but I bought 8.0 to support development on the Smartphone platform. It turns out I was bankrolling development for Pocket PC.

Development of Opera Mobile for WM Smartphone line of products has not been discontinued. There will be new releases on this platform. Stay tuned!

Originally posted by jukov:

first impressions:
Google loads ok
the speed on wm2k3se improved (even further)
the tabs load quite easily and with speed. no problems on closing tabs whatsoever.

problem with right-to-left languages: the words appear correct but the sentences appear left to write:
as if i was writing: "writing was i if as"


BTW: the beta is free untill 6.1.06 - thanks, guys

(using Axim x50v with WM2k3SE)

actually, opera just prints the hebrew text backwords
(if the original sentence was "abc def ghi", it will be shown as "ihg fed cba", at least on standard wm5)

BUT, the add-on hebrew support for pocketpc reverses the text output, so what's happening is that opera (probably) prints the text to the screen in words, and the hebrew support reverses (corrects) the words, but the words still appear in reverse order.
(i.e. : ghi def abc)

i guess the best solution would be printing character by character, and using internal bidi algorithm (depending on the encoding selected) - just like desktop browsers.

anyway, thanks for the best ppc browser...
aviv

FOUR BUG REPORTS on a VGA Dell PDA. These bugs only happen on a VGA pocketpc. I do not experience them on my QVGA PDA.

1. Go to www.osnews.com by using the default settings of Opera. Notice how there is no space between the tables that hold the news items. This shows me that the PPC version of Opera has OVERWRITTEN my explicit code to disable SSR. In other words, Opera Mobile of PPC does not "listen" anymore to this code:
STYLE type="text/css" media="handheld"
Other versions of Opera do take into account this code and DISABLE SSR each time this code is used. This is NEEDED for web sites that already recognize Opera as a mobile browser and serve automatically their mobile versions to it. OSNews.com, GnomeFiles.org and Mobits.com are such sites. They recognize successfully mobile versions of Opera and they do NOT require SSR. SSR must be disabled on these sites when the media="handheld" code is used. In fact, this little trick has been proposed by Opera itself 2 years ago.

2. To reproduce the second bug, please disable "Fit to Screen". Go to www.osnews.com and www.gnomefiles.org. Both sites now render with HUGE fonts on my **VGA** Axim x50v Pocket PC. Even when I tell Opera's settings to use font size 8 as the minimum font size, the fonts on these two sites are still huge! Please note that both of these sites are using cHTML (subset of HTML 3.2 -- cHTML offers better compatibility between mobile browsers than XHTML does so we have decided on the minimalistic iMode/cHTML instead of XHTML for the time being).

3. For the third bug, again disable "Fit to Screen". Go to www.osnews.com and www.gnomefiles.org. Scroll all the way down, and you will see ugly artifacts at the bottom of the screen. Text is rendering on top of other text! This is reproducible on Slashdot as well, at least on my VGA Dell PDA. It might have something to do with changing the minimum font to size 8 at the settings.

4. Enable "Fit to Screen". Go to www.CNN.com (US Version, not International version). This little image http://i.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.3/main/tv/6am.gif does not play well with your SSR algorithm and it is the ONLY element on that page that renders a bit outwards of the 480pixels wide of my 480x640 PDA. Because of this single image, Opera has to create a horizontal scrollbar. It would be nice if you could optimize it and place the image inside the 480pixels screen (like all other elements of that page are into) so that little image does not force the browser to display horizontal scrollbars. If you fix that, you get the "award" of the best rendering of the CNN frontpage by any mobile browser. ;-)

Let me know *by email* if you require screenshots of the problems described above.

Originally posted by ahv:

Hi Jimmer

What do you want?
Put it on your wishlist

(btw, we have of course fixed a lot of bugs)

Anne-Hilde

I have a wish list:

Can a Pocket PC browser for once please support frames properly?

Can a Pocket PC browser for once please render "www.disney.com" "www.callawaygolf.com" and "www.taylormadegolf.com" properly?

Can we have constant upgrades to MacroMedia Flash (I know this is not your fault) and stay up-to-date?

For us to have a "proper" web experience we would need these basics.

Thank you,
Monty Gibson