Death Sentence

Death Sentence

This is a contriversal subject with some people support those convicted of killing somebody be put to death.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

There was a time in this land when he would have gotten time to make peace, if possible, with his Maker and then be dead before sunrise the next day.

Before sunrise? People are only condemn to death, not to get up early in the morning, that's inhumane and besides I doubt that his Maker is expecting him so soon.

I pretend to be executed never before ten or eleven AM. Or even later if it's not too much trouble to you.
At sunset seems to me much more symbolic, even romantic... maybe you could do a postcard of it for sending to children at Easter or any other Christian's Compassion occasion.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Before sunrise?

The expression means that he wouldn't get to see another day.

Yes, I know the expression, thks.
It's indifferent, a killing is a killing no matter what time is it, but anyway as far as I know executions are usually performed very very early in the morning.

(The choice is not innocent. Before sun rises so everyone is still sleeping. I find it particularly repulsive, at least have things done at clear daylight, not under the shadows of the night.)

Originally posted by Belfrager:

(The choice is not innocent. Before sun rises so everyone is still sleeping. I find it particularly repulsive, at least have things done at clear daylight, not under the shadows of the night.)

Have you ever seen the 'Light of Life' leave the eyes of a dying human being?

It's quite different than what I have observed when an animal is humanely 'put down'.

I've felt sorrow for the animal.

Why not show executions in Prime Time on Network TV with all cameras focused closeup on
the facial expressions of the damned (no hoods, masks, or blindfolds permitted) during the final moments of life so
we can all experience the finality, & reflect upon it?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Have you ever seen the 'Light of Life' leave the eyes of a dying human being?

Yes.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Why not show executions in Prime Time on Network TV with all cameras focused closeup on the facial expressions of the damned (no hoods, masks, or blindfolds permitted) during the final moments of life so we can all experience the finality, & reflect upon it?

And if it was like that I wonder how many death supporters will remain. But no, it's hidden, so no one sees the horror that is effectively done. So comforting...

Death penalty is not supported just by those that actually enjoys to see it but by a vast majority that, if they would see it, would never accept that such a thing was done on their behalf.
Resuming it, capital punishment is supported by people that don't have the conscience of what they are doing.

I think that this is a very sad thread.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Have you ever seen the 'Light of Life' leave the eyes of a dying human being?

Yes.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Why not show executions in Prime Time on Network TV with all cameras focused closeup on the facial expressions of the damned (no hoods, masks, or blindfolds permitted) during the final moments of life so we can all experience the finality, & reflect upon it?

And if it was like that I wonder how many death supporters will remain. But no, it's hidden, so no one sees the horror that is effectively done. So comforting...

Death penalty is not supported just by those that actually enjoys to see it but by a vast majority that, if they would see it, would never accept that such a thing was done on their behalf.
Resuming it, capital punishment is supported by people that don't have the conscience of what they are doing.

I think that this is a very sad thread.

Way back when, public executions were quite a spectacle. It was a major event when a do-badder got what was coming to him. Ever hear the expression "As happy as a hog at a hanging"? How about the "necktie party" which had nothing at all to do with the modern useless garment given by children to their fathers on Father's Day?

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets. But, since you place so little value on the victim's life I suppose we'll have to let it ride.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by Belfrager:

(The choice is not innocent. Before sun rises so everyone is still sleeping. I find it particularly repulsive, at least have things done at clear daylight, not under the shadows of the night.)

Have you ever seen the 'Light of Life' leave the eyes of a dying human being?

It's quite different than what I have observed when an animal is humanely 'put down'.

I've felt sorrow for the animal.

Why not show executions in Prime Time on Network TV with all cameras focused closeup on
the facial expressions of the damned (no hoods, masks, or blindfolds permitted) during the final moments of life so
we can all experience the finality, & reflect upon it?

Indeed. I am sure you could sell tickets.

Originally posted by tt92:

Indeed. I am sure you could sell tickets.

Great idea, that!

Maybe family & senior discounts too!

I know a guy who can mass produce death masks......

You colorful birds always lookin' for an angle to make a buck on someones misfortune aintcha!?

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Way back when, public executions were quite a spectacle. It was a major event when a do-badder got what was coming to him. Ever hear the expression "As happy as a hog at a hanging"? How about the "necktie party" which had nothing at all to do with the modern useless garment given by children to their fathers on Father's Day?

Ah, yes. I have heard of lynchings, mob justice, and summary execution. Thank goodness we got rid of all that. How many people were executed by mistake in that time? Ever read To Kill a Mockingbird?

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets. But, since you place so little value on the victim's life I suppose we'll have to let it ride.

The victim won't get their life back by killing the murderer. If someone smashes my TV in a rage, the appropriate response is not to go round to their house and smash their TV. (The Bible's wrong on that one.)

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets.

Aren't appeals, stays, moratoriums and "so on" lawful ?
Or do you want to suspend law and carry on the execution? That's called lynching, isn't it?

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

But, since you place so little value on the victim's life I suppose we'll have to let it ride.

Your illation is totally wrong, I'm not under evaluating no one's life, you are.
Your arguments are full of revenge, but justice is not revenge. By the way how do you feel when you have supported the putting to death of those that later are found to be innocents? sorry pal, bring the next one? "wash your hands"? that's what you are doing.

Reflect about death penalty Abolitionism. Tell me your findings about it, is this a civilizational regression in Mankind?

the United Nations General Assembly affirmed in a formal resolution that throughout the world, it is desirable to "progressively restrict the number of offenses for which the death penalty might be imposed, with a view to the desirability of abolishing this punishment"

Amnesty International considers it to be "the ultimate denial of Human Rights"

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets.

Tell me, how many innocent people's lives is a speedier execution of the next Gacy worth?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets.

Tell me, how many innocent people's lives is a speedier execution of the next Gacy worth?

Hard to say. One thing is for sure though, when the time between sentencing and the carrying out of that death sentence is measured in decades, and the time spent really isn't overly harsh, it seems like the death sentence has its teeth pulled anyway. When you're more likely to die of old age than you are of the court-ordered sentence, and in the meantime you have TV, an exercise room, a library and some time at least to walk outside of your cell, some people just aren't frightened by that. Of course some people wouldn't be frightened even if you did the dirty deed, the police caught you at it, the trial were held that day and by noon the next day sentence was carried out. But still, it might give somebody pause before doing in their neighbor, at least a bit more pause than the system we've had in place.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Hard to say. One thing is for sure though, when the time between sentencing and the carrying out of that death sentence is measured in decades, and the time spent really isn't overly harsh, it seems like the death sentence has its teeth pulled anyway. When you're more likely to die of old age than you are of the court-ordered sentence, and in the meantime you have TV, an exercise room, a library and some time at least to walk outside of your cell, some people just aren't frightened by that. Of course some people wouldn't be frightened even if you did the dirty deed, the police caught you at it, the trial were held that day and by noon the next day sentence was carried out. But still, it might give somebody pause before doing in their neighbor, at least a bit more pause than the system we've had in place.

If the aim of a death sentence is to protect society, then keeping them in a secure place where you can distract them while keeping them isolated seems like a good idea. Prison is no walk in the park.

And someone who stops to think about whether or not to do in their neighbour is unlikely to do it at all. The death sentence doesn't appear to be an effective deterrent.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

If the aim of a death sentence is to protect society, then keeping them in a secure place where you can distract them while keeping them isolated seems like a good idea. Prison is no walk in the park.

Richard Speck would probably not agree. He appears to have had a good time behind bars. He actually thought he had it better in the slammer than he would have had it outside. Probably so, most of us have to work for a living, he had his three squares and a cot, medical, all the stuff in the link, and so on--- stuff that we on the outside have to work for every day, with no guarantees that we'll be able to get it tomorrow. The only bad thing in his situation was that he couldn't come and go any time he wanted.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

If the aim of a death sentence is to protect society, then keeping them in a secure place where you can distract them while keeping them isolated seems like a good idea. Prison is no walk in the park.

Richard Speck would probably not agree. He appears to have had a good time behind bars. He actually thought he had it better in the slammer than he would have had it outside. Probably so, most of us have to work for a living, he had his three squares and a cot, medical, all the stuff in the link, and so on--- stuff that we on the outside have to work for every day, with no guarantees that we'll be able to get it tomorrow. The only bad thing in his situation was that he couldn't come and go any time he wanted.

So, you'd rather be in prison? No? Why not?

The problem with people like Richard Speck is that they are exceptions. Exceptionally horrible, exceptionally insane.

I prison for mjmsprt40!

Nope. Bringing back the most essential tool for a tyranny is not a good idea. Lowering self to standards of countries like Saudi-Arabia, Iran and North-Korea is despicable and revolting.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

I prison for mjmsprt40!

You'd have to come up with a reason for it. So far, I've kept my nose clean.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

You'd have to come up with a reason for it. So far, I've kept my nose clean.

No, other way round. If you think that prison is such an easy ride, you'd go out of your way to not keep your nose clean.

Now about the politicians.
If I'm not wrong, in the US the last chance before execution is to have the state's Governor pardon (at the last minute? or that is just a myth, there's no possibility of last minute pardon?).

Showing mercy is the highest of noble virtues and yet there are people that are proud of always refusing that pardon. (What do they think? that they are rough and it will bring them political support?)

That attitude has always impressed me negatively, how can someone build a political career, at a western democracy, based on cruelty.

Ask the inmates of Guantanamo!

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

No, other way round. If you think that prison is such an easy ride, you'd go out of your way to not keep your nose clean.

Sounds like a typical bleedin' heart progressive, lookin' for the free ride & to play the system on the US taxpayer's cuff!

Oh, sorry, forgive me, you were talkin' about 'British Penal Institutions', not our 'Rehabilitative Retreats'.....

SF, why do you write bleedin' and lookin' ?
The apostrophe uses as many keystrokes as the g.
Just curious.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

That attitude has always impressed me negatively, how can someone build a political career, at a western democracy, based on cruelty.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Ask the inmates of Guantanamo!

Seems they're being treated mighty nice lately, nothing to apologize about---yet. If there is, Obahhma will sell the US Military out once again.

Originally posted by tt92:

SF, why do you write bleedin' and lookin' ?
The apostrophe uses as many keystrokes as the g.
Just curious.

Denotes a lack of a 'g' sounding at the end of the word....as how the word is sounded when spoken in conversation where I come from (NYC/Brooklyn).

in ..... as opposed to ....... ing

Something like the way Australians say Melbourne

Mel-bin .. as opposed to .. Mel-born

Capicé?

Americans seem to abbreivate words a lot more than we do.
(Waiting for a repeat comment from Michigan like a few years back......)

When you sentence a malefactor to life, you must provide him with basic amenities.
Beside his bed you should provide a bottle of sleeping pills, and with it, a card, reading:
"When you contemplate the dreadful things you have done, and the hopelessness of your situation, you may at times have difficulty sleeping. These pills will help.
Caution. They are very strong. More than three could be fatal."

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

No, other way round. If you think that prison is such an easy ride, you'd go out of your way to not keep your nose clean.

Sounds like a typical bleedin' heart progressive, lookin' for the free ride & to play the system on the US taxpayer's cuff!

Oh, sorry, forgive me, you were talkin' about 'British Penal Institutions', not our 'Rehabilitative Retreats'.....

So, you don't have an answer then? You'd rather throw around personal insults?

Would you prefer to be in prison than out? It's a very simple question, with one of two very simple answers. If you can't answer in the affirmative, then perhaps you should rethink your knee-jerk reaction.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Would you prefer to be in prison than out?

Feel truly insulted by that statement?

Grow a thicker skin sonny, grow a thicker skin.

Would I prefer to be in prison than out?

It' has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my or your preference silly.

If anyone breaks the law, & are found guilty by a jury of their peers, they must pay the price prescribed by law.....period.

Only the Left seems to feel the uncanny need to wake up every day & apologize for something/anything/everything.

So based on that premise you may need to choose imprisonment for your self-perceived wrongdoings, if not insanity.....you're more than welcome to do so, at your own personal expense & peril.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Seems they're being treated mighty nice lately, nothing to apologize about---yet. If there is, Obahhma will sell the US Military out once again.

If we didn't send 'em, they wouldn't kill 'em.

Ask Bussssh. Obaaaaaammmmma wasn't in power then. Remember?

That's worked out well for us, hasn't it?

I was in the military way back when Chester was a pup. We were a tool, not objects of veneration...that hasn't changed.

You're something of a tool, too, ain't ya?

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

If we didn't send 'em, they wouldn't kill 'em.Ask Bussssh. Obaaaaaammmmma wasn't in power then. Remember?

Obaaaaaammmmma has but to sign the order, & they'd be home quick smart.

A smart man like yourself surely knows that.

The unintentional Koran burning has nothing to do with Bush at all, for Bush is no longer Commander-in-Chief---or do you know somethin' we all don't???

Haven't you noticed Bush hasn't been Commander-in-Chief for years, or do you have another cockamamie theory we should all know about?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

If we didn't send 'em, they wouldn't kill 'em.Ask Bussssh. Obaaaaaammmmma wasn't in power then. Remember?

Obaaaaaammmmma has but to sign the order & they'd be home, & a smart man like yourself knows that.

I see Obama as yet one more politician. I'm talking history, not political preferences, which seems to be something you're incapable of.

At least Palin has tits.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

I see Obama as yet one more politician. I'm talking history, not political preferences, which seems to be something you're incapable of.At least Palin has tits.

Ewwwwww, getting testy testy testy in your OLDer age are you.

I can see now, I'll never get to be as smart as you, you ole smarty pants you...

Not just another Silly Politician......NoooSireee......A DadGum Hystricomorpha Entrepreneur!!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Feel truly insulted by that statement?

Grow a thicker skin sonny, grow a thicker skin.

You accused me of having a thin skin, as well. This furthers the notion that the GOP, despite their collectively low intelligence, do have an acute sense of irony. Or perhaps it's a lack of the same combined with lack of self-reflection. It's you folks that have the thin, nearly translucent skin with nerves crackling like electricity just beneath the papery surface. Why, one only needs to call an email comparing black people to animals racist and the conservative blogosphere and Twitter accounts light up like the Fourth of July with claims of "the race card." It's funny to watch monkeys knee-jerk.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze in response to johnnysaucepn:

Feel truly insulted by that statement?

Grow a thicker skin sonny, grow a thicker skin.

You accused me of having a thin skin, as well. This furthers the notion that the GOP, despite their collectively low intelligence, do have an acute sense of irony. Or perhaps it's a lack of the same combined with lack of self-reflection. It's you folks that have the thin, nearly translucent skin with nerves crackling like electricity just beneath the papery surface. Why, one only needs to call an email comparing black people to animals racist and the conservative blogosphere and Twitter accounts light up like the Fourth of July with claims of "the race card." It's funny to watch monkeys knee-jerk.

That was about a totally unrelated matter, but because the shoe obviously fit then, wear it now & get over it.

BTW....what relevance has your post to this topic......I suggest none whatsoever. Just an irrelevant, run-on, babbling rant.

'Cooney, I'm safe to say that you might have followed me here because what you speak of, in regards to yourself & your thin skin, did not take place here.

Or are you just so hopelessly lost that all your topics are blurring into each other, & you can't figure which is who?

Whatever, you're obviously not having a very good night, & you're seem to be simply trolling in a mad desire to
personally attack somebody/anybody (lucky me this time) for lack of anything more constructive to do. Get a grip sonny!

May your God watch over you, & protect you from evil.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

BTW....what relevance has your post to this topic......I suggest none whatsoever. Just an irrelevant, run-on, babbling rant.

None whatsoever. I was trolling, you, which you managed to figure out yourself. That was because I noticed you using the same personal attack against Johnny as you did me.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

I noticed you using the same personal attack against Johnny as you did me.

All I did was issue a statement of fact.

The statement of fact is, in this case, the truth, & was not an attack at all, unless of course the truth is extremely unpalatable, so unacceptable it must be denied at all costs.

At that point the insecure will consider it an attack to solicit sympathy from those unaware of the facts, & because calling it anything else would force them to accept it as truth, the truth they would prefer to avoid, & the truth they really detest.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

"When you contemplate the dreadful things you have done, and the hopelessness of your situation, you may at times have difficulty sleeping. These pills will help.Caution. They are very strong. More than three could be fatal."

Very nicely pointed.
Being suicide a Right for everyone and a Duty for some, it seems that committing suicide will defraud the death sentence...

It shows clearly that death penalty is not even about someone to die for some act he allegedly committed but just the act of revenge of making someone being put do death by others.
Prison will assure that he doesn't kill himself until party time arrives.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Perhaps, Bel, capital punishment is supported by people who's conscience says that the victim's life was at least as valuable as the murderer's, and the victim never got the chance at appeals, stays, moratoriums and so on that the murderer gets...

The victim won't get their life back by killing the murderer...

He's got a point there, mjmsprt. I believe capital punishment is the best thing in some cases, but that is not an argument for it.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

If we didn't send 'em, they wouldn't kill 'em.Ask Bussssh. Obaaaaaammmmma wasn't in power then. Remember?

Obaaaaaammmmma has but to sign the order & they'd be home, & a smart man like yourself knows that.

I see Obama as yet one more politician. I'm talking history, not political preferences, which seems to be something you're incapable of.

At least Palin has tits.

Obama is yet another politician, true. He is also, as I write this, the commander in chief. Smiley's right, Obama has only to sign the necessary orders and our boys could be heading home before this weekend. He probably won't do it, but he could.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Feel truly insulted by that statement? Grow a thicker skin sonny, grow a thicker skin.

No, don't be ridiculous. *sigh* Not only was that the wrong statement, it was also such a crudely constructed and irrelevant statement that it couldn't possibly have hurt anyone's feelings. But still, feeble and childish though it was, it was still the one you chose to deploy, which is a shame. A robust argument might have done some damage.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Would I prefer to be in prison than out? It' has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with my or your preference silly.

Oh, but it does. You think it's an easy ride, you had better be prepared to step up with a reason why.
You say people should pay the price, but then you claim that the 'price' is too cheap.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Only the Left seems to feel the uncanny need to wake up every day & apologize for something/anything/everything.

That's some kind of bizarre non-sequitur. Apologise for what?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

All I did was issue a statement of fact.

No, you didn't. You didn't have facts at your disposal, so you chose to shout more loudly.

How about if we stage an execution as a tourist attraction? Could that work? Well, there's a mayor in a North Dakota town that would sure like to try. I'm not making this up. See below.

http://www.shortlist.com/home/north-dakota-mayor-wants-to-stage-executions

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

How about if we stage an execution as a tourist attraction? Could that work? Well, there's a mayor in a North Dakota town that would sure like to try. I'm not making this up. See below.

http://www.shortlist.com/home/north-dakota-mayor-wants-to-stage-executions

Like The Hunger Games? Heck! We can stage a fight to the death for criminals!

Originally posted by wikipedian:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

How about if we stage an execution as a tourist attraction? Could that work? Well, there's a mayor in a North Dakota town that would sure like to try. I'm not making this up. See below.

http://www.shortlist.com/home/north-dakota-mayor-wants-to-stage-executions

Like The Hunger Games? Heck! We can stage a fight to the death for criminals!

Now, I think you're really on to something.

Got to have those fail-safe exploding, non-removable, security necklaces too, just in case they decide to wander off the reservation so to speak!

there are about 7 billion people on earth.now that's a huge number.if we were to kill someone would't that require a significant portion of earth.no wonder land is already reducing due to global warming.so the most eco-friendly apposite step would be to make the accused person realize his guilt through solitary confinement or other fruitful measure.

Well the leader of the free world (cough) is amongst the paramount of imprisoning in a terrifying system as well as executing. Another example not to follow. There are far too many people on Earth because places like your own and others have children like rabbits breeding which is ridiculous. However I still remain very opposed to the death penalty. Most countries have had cases of wrongful decisons won later and it's too late when the person is kicking up the daisies. Keeping people on death row for a decade is a sign of a nit-picking showroom and a form of torture in itself. A barbourous thing if ever there was one. The emphasise has been on revenge I fear rather than justice in a number of cases.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The emphasise has been on revenge I fear rather than justice in a number of cases.

One man's junk is another man's treasure.....As long as there is life beneath the sun, people will have opposing perspectives & viewpoints.

"...As long as" now there's a real positive lyobvious finding!