Syria's riot, who suffered? who's behind it?

Syria's riot, who suffered? who's behind it?

US said Saddam was a dictator and activated a war on Iraq. As a result, Islamic extremists control Iraq and Iraq Christian suffered severe persecution. They escaped to Syria. Now US says Assad is a dictator and ..... Poor Christians, where will they go this time?
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Quote, "The price of regime change
By David Warren, Ottawa Citizen

There are millions of Christians in Syria, who probably have the Russians and Chinese to thank that they may live there a little longer. The Security Council vetoes, a fortnight ago, on a resolution calling upon Syria's dictator to step down, and supporting an Arab-sponsored plan to "end the violence," put paid to any immediate prospect of western intervention.

The outrage expressed by Hillary Clinton, William Hague, and other western foreign ministers, probably concealed a little relief, for the vetoes provided the excuse they needed to avoid the issue, while continuing to posture about "humanitarianism" and "democracy."
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Christians were as common in Syria as in Egypt, before their numbers were immensely swelled by refugees from Iraq - well over a million fleeing up the Euphrates River valley, from anti-Christian persecution by Iraq's Islamists. By now, there could be more than four million Christians within Syria's borders.

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/price+regime+change/6173293/story.html

I think it is rather hollow that stuff from the newspaper about Russia's ulterior motives. How is Russia any different from the ulterior motives of the West? For example doesn't the US have a naval base in another Middle East country that is a dictatorship? For decades dictators were supported in the West as long as they were anti-Communist during the Cold War days. I think the vetoes are correct after the utter nonsense of the use of a UN decison that was a pretext and look at the damn mess Libya is in now. The Syirain regime has been taking steps on changes if albeit a bit too slowly and discussion is the key between Assad and the opposition. But which opposition? There is no clear leadership in the ant-Assad camp and if anything at logger-heads with each other. Plus the fact that they refuse to even countenance discussion unlessAssad goes. That isn't going to happen as a prelude and they are a motley crew of loose cannons. It is none of our business to enact regime change in any country. It's okau for we in the West to suck in with dictators but if someone else does it then that's different? don't make me laugh!

I bet it's another elaborate plot by the NSA, Shin Beth, Opus Dei and the Freemasons to mildly inconvenience good old katsung

Sidestepping.........

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Sidestepping.........

Wait, it gets better. It's all being done by the Feds as cover to distract from Katsung's wife's travels to the Philippines. So, to stop wars, tornadoes, earthquakes, typhoons and so on from happening, all we have to do is get Kat's wife to stay home. Problem: She's something of a traveler. So, she goes to Wal-Mart and the feds fire up HAARP and cause tornadoes in the "Hoosier Alley*" section. She goes to the Philippines and the Fed causes an earthquake off the coast of Japan. I don't even want to think of what would happen if she goes on a round-the-world cruise. We have to figure out a way to make her stay home, then maybe some of the rest of this stuff will stop. Well, that's the kooky theory, anyway.


*Hoosier Alley comprises Southern Illinois, Southern Indiana, Southern Ohio and Kentucky. They get a number of tornadoes, it's an off-shoot of Tornado Alley. For some reason, Indiana (the Hoosier State) seems to be "favored" for the development of tornadoes. Not really sure if Katsung's wife has anything to do with it, but judging by his writings it seems that's the way to bet. That woman needs to stay home!

Well Macallan has a dancing partner. Nice.

Originally posted by Macallan:

I bet it's another elaborate plot by the NSA, Shin Beth, Opus Dei and the Freemasons to mildly inconvenience good old katsung

Maybe, maybe not. Who knows, with so many rumours like:
Mossad, CIA and Blackwater?
NATO commandos in illegal special ops in Syria?

I'm betting that Tal Shiar, under instructions from the Klingon High Command, bankrolled by Ming the Merciless of Mongo has something to do with it.

Originally posted by katsung47:

Syria's riot, who suffered? who's behind it?

Those are legitimate and necessary questions.

They certainly are legitimate questions Belfrager. And the West led by that arch hypocrite the US of A is in the vanguard of lip service to rights and freedoms. You just have to look at countries in the Middle East that are bosom buddies and run by dictatorships. Somehow they do not have any problems with being aimed at on freedoms and such - especially when they give you bases for your soliders and sailors?

Who is worse? US or Saddam?

Quote, "Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein
Michael Ireland, Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service
Tuesday, July 01, 2008

July 2, 2008

BAGHDAD (ANS) -- The Reverend Canon Andrew White, affectionately known as The Vicar of Baghdad, says the situation for Christians in Iraq is "clearly worse" than under the Saddam Hussein regime, toppled by US and Coalition forces in 2003.

In a segment of the CBS news program 60 Minutes, originally broadcast on Dec. 2, 2007, updated June 26 and aired on June 29, 2008, correspondent Scott Pelley asked Canon White: "You were here during Saddam’s reign. And now after. Which was better? Which was worse?"

"The situation now is clearly worse” than under Saddam, White replied.

"There’s no comparison between Iraq now and then," he told Pelley. "Things are the most difficult they have ever been for Christians. Probably ever in history. They’ve never known it like now."

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religion-today/iraq-worse-for-christians-now-than-under-saddam-hussein-11578523.html

Yes on what you say Iraq is worse but then the West led by the good ole US of A that champion of (yawn) freedom never takes as much notice after an invasion as long as their is business to be made and a military base to be established. The hypocrisy of theWest continued in the Libya fiasco and once again thousands floating about with weapons running private militias and little central control from a "government". There is also lately a of Libya splitting in two and just as I said months ago. Now we are dishing out money for the motley crew of rebels in Syria whilst wanting talks?? Anyway who would the Syrian President talk with the opposition has no unity no obvious leader or anything. Yet another mess fine waiting to happen (with apologies to the memory of Laurel & Hardy) like always.

The West will never learn and until the US ceases to be a world military empoire no likliehood of a change foressen unless the Chinese pull the plug on them!

RJHowie and Katsung are behind it. But don't tell anybody, it's classified top-secret. Even 007 isn't allowed to know.

Cop-out again mjsmsprt40.

It is your lot over there trying to create yet another friction to justify your military empire across the globe. One warlike situation after another and a load of old cobblers from the militarists in the ex-Colonies who whip up fear to justify security. Namely a constant need for enemies to attack. You'll never learn.

There is not a shred of proof Iran is doing anything but peaceful power supply progress not a bomb but that doesn't stop your mind controllers from deluding you time after time. Americans as a race are so damn gullible that they swallow all the nonsense dished out to them by the media and gung ho political pygmies. And here when you cannot come up with proof stick anyone who doesn't fall for the nonsense into some eccentric corner. Instead of lampooning Katsung or me, try and face up to the fact that your country is making things up yet again this time on Iran. What you might also consider is dropping bombs on Israel's atomic cave.

q.e.d.

RJH, some day when you have a little time you might try reading some American news. It just might surprise you that the American people, including many of our leaders, are not in lockstep behind every adventure you think we might be coming up with. But, you'll never find that out if your only source for the goings-on in the States is Katsung.

This isn't late-1930s Japan, with the army cooking up one adventure after another and getting the entire nation on board. It doesn't quite work that way here, regardless of what you might think.

Horncastle, you spent a couple of years here. Good for you. I've spent 57 years here, mostly in the Chicago area but also traveling around the Eastern half of the States. I can't say much about how the West of the Missouri folk think, but East of there I reckon I might have a handle on it. We're not as all-fired up ready to go to war as some make us out to be. There's a fair number of us that are more than a little tired of it, to tell you the truth.

That being said, if somebody hits us we'll hit back. Hard. I think you can count on that.

If Jaybro sticks his nose in this thread, you might ask him what he thinks of another military adventure. He makes me look like a young pup, and I've already stated I'm getting close to 60.

Oh dear how blind you are mjsmsprt40. Apart from seeing two leading US TV news progs every week and constant reports from the US we get here you would think we were a damn State of that Union. You country has been at continual war and confrontation with obne country after another for years or are you just go rose-tinted glasses or something? It is always the same when you are caught with the hand in the cookie jar( groan, biscuit jar). Not seeing what is happening is a wide thing. Of course there are Americans who are seeing the turth but swathes don't. The average American hasn't a damn clue where some fo the places you enter even are! The media is controlled by the same bunch who have corrputed the financial system. If we are so ignorant what does it say about yourselves? Big banking barons are still fleecing money and in general getting away with laudering and moving dollars about. The military is everywhere in the world. The political machinery is tied up in 2 monolothic money controlled political parties. The Congress is a tool of the money mob.

However when you draw to these contradictory things in view of the PR dished out to the world the rest of the globe doesn't understand or is not appreciative or some other wordy nonsense. Maybe you can explain then how your country is in exitence through a Coummist State (China). How the bank barons got away with what they are doing? That the debt is mushrooming. More and more getting impoverished. People having to fight for rights supposed to be protected in the Constitution. The list goes on and on. Instead we get this bluff contained in your submission here. Strikes me you cannot answer these things so if you show lists of negatives just ignore them and carry on going downhill. Try explaing how your country is going down the tubes to we misunderstanding people and the military and finacial controllers get away with what they do?

OK, you don't like us much. Noted.

As a country? No. Individuals are different.

Is it too early yet for the silly season?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Is it too early yet for the silly season?

You ask that question as if you haven't seen all these threads that Katsung starts and you've been agreeing to.

This ought to be right up Katsung's alley. Seems CIA agents-- in fact, spooks from anywhere-- are having a harder time because new technology makes it harder to slip in under assumed names. Use a fake name once, and it's linked forever to you-- once and done.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/cia-spies-biometric-tech/all/1

And you are lapsing into woolliness again. I was answering that oddity put in by Horncastle or don't you notice a sequence? And in any case because I agree wtih some of what Katsung says so what? Neither you, nor America nor anyone has the indefatigable crucible of knowledge. We can all exercise opinion. Trouble is that as many of your countrymen are totally ignorant of geography or where the places you start wars in so ignorance is bliss. So you tend to fall back on attitudes of "we don't care what anyone says". True that is obvious by the wars. Or alternatively critics are somehow deluded although the delusion that exists inside the country passes over their heads. Why you need so many damn spy agnecies is beyond belief. All that money and overlapping and all in the old hoary stuff about security and fear of attack. The way you are actually losing freedoms by stealth etc is beyond belief to a thinking person.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And you are lapsing into woolliness again. I was answering that oddity put in by Horncastle or don't you notice a sequence? And in any case because I agree wtih some of what Katsung says so what? Neither you, nor America nor anyone has the indefatigable crucible of knowledge. We can all exercise opinion. Trouble is that as many of your countrymen are totally ignorant of geography or where the places you start wars in so ignorance is bliss. So you tend to fall back on attitudes of "we don't care what anyone says". True that is obvious by the wars. Or alternatively critics are somehow deluded although the delusion that exists inside the country passes over their heads. Why you need so many damn spy agnecies is beyond belief. All that money and overlapping and all in the old hoary stuff about security and fear of attack. The way you are actually losing freedoms by stealth etc is beyond belief to a thinking person.

This from a guy who lives in a land where they have cameras everywhere. Not to worry, we're catching up fast in the camera department. That's not a good thing for either country.

About the cameras: Mayor Emmanuel is about to try to pass an ordinance through city counsel that would enable him to install speed cameras around schools and parks. They already have speed bumps, roundabouts and cul-de-sacs all over the place so it's impossible to even go the speed limit, let alone trying to speed, but the mayor insists he wants more cameras. There's some of us who have a suggestion about where to put cameras if you really want to catch a bad guy up to no good, and the place to put them appears to be the fifth floor of city hall.

Preferrable to have cameras as a lot less worrying than a juvenile population awash with guns, machine guns and Heaven knows what, shooting each other in droves every year. They learn to do it in schools now too as part of society! A nice wee sidestep there from being unable to contradict what I say. Some politician or media guru just has to waffle about security and the headless chickens run around like it is domesday in the chicken hut. Such a bunch of jellies you have to have all those agencies who treat you like fodder. I will grant you that your consistency in trying to undermine countries that don't agree with you or like you then squeezing them and if need be shoot them up is a regular.Whatever your founders may have hoped for hasn't worked out.

There were churches in Afghan. None is left 10 years after US occupied Afghan. Be noticed that this news indirectly(may be the news agency is afraid of being called "unpatriot"?) related this to US foreign policy.

Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan, Says State Department

By Edwin Mora
October 10, 2011
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(CNSNews.com) -- There is not a single, public Christian church left in Afghanistan, according to the U.S. State Department.

This reflects the state of religious freedom in that country ten years after the United States first invaded it and overthrew its Islamist Taliban regime.

In the intervening decade, U.S. taxpayers have spent $440 billion to support Afghanistan's new government and more than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in that country.

The last public Christian church in Afghanistan was razed in March 2010, according to the State Department's latest International Religious Freedom Report.

Hardly an accolade for the land of the free and home of the brave. So what the deuce are they going round the world preaching contradictions for?!

Syrian Christians worry about life after Bashar Assad

They fear civil war and revenge attacks if President Bashar Assad falls, an anxiety fed by the sectarian violence seen in Egypt and Iraq.
Ignatius IV, patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church, described Syria as an oasis of religious tolerance where Christians can worship freely, build sanctuaries and run schools, activities that are restricted by varying degrees in a number of Middle Eastern countries.

Christian clerics are frequently shown on television taking part in joint prayer services with their Muslim counterparts. The defense minister is a Christian, as are other senior members of the government and security forces.

"Wherever you go, you find Christians and Muslims," said the patriarch, who has a photograph of himself with Assad displayed on his office wall. "There is no distinction."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-fg-syria-christians-20120307,0,4403703.story

I think that after the West's misuse of the UN and what it did in Libya speaks volumes. Libya is a messhole right now and I said it would be here many moons ago. The point about Christians is a very valid one and in general if the motley crew that we in the West are backing was to succeed the Assad regime would probably be replaced by a mind-blowing Islamic nutter crew. The West led by the US of A will not directly get involved it suits better to supply arms by the worst kept secret in the world. And make humanitarian gestures to the UN and supply guns to an Opposition that cannot even agree amongst themselves?? In general the reason why the rebels haven't got very far is because Syria has in fac one of the best trained armies in the Middle East with the best trained officers.

Like others I only wish the West would keep from sticking it's nose everywhere it does. If someone wants to have a civil war let them get on with it. It's not our country. The UN is there and if that doesn't work then too bad. Personally I would be happier if Syria was to graduate into a multi-party democracy but that is up to the Syrians. Isn't my country and I don't pay taxes there.

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

Assad's popularity, Arab League observers, US military involvement: all distorted in the west's propaganda war
Jonathan Steele guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 17 January 2012

The key finding was that while most Arabs outside Syria feel the president should resign, attitudes in the country are different. Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war – a spectre that is not theoretical as it is for those who live outside Syria's borders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

A rational thread from katsung47, a welcome change.

I suppose so and he is stil right. Countries that shout off about getting a cease-fire whilst at the same time helping the rebels with funds and guns is quite something. Now we are getting examples of terror groups blowing up due to vacuums being created in Syria. The opposition is a bunch of disagreeable people who cannot stick together and we are suppposed to take them as a credible alternative? On top of that the disorganised opposition refused to take part in the recent elections so how mature and heplful is that one? Damn stupid. Instead they go into a huff and try to cover it as some kind of codswallop. They should have fully taken part and got themselves some decent credibility. Just to try and unseat the government by warfare and them running the place would be even worse. Small wonder the majority support Assad.

Seems we can't win for losing, RJ. If we prop up the present regime, we're seen as being bad guys for propping up the present regime. If we help the rebels overthrow the present regime--- well we get stuff like you're posting.

Unfortunately (for you) what I am posting mjsmsprt40 is that it is much of the same view around the world. Syria is yet another example although you do try to justify by imparting the traditional American view that the world is somehow wrong and that your country is misunderstood or not appreciated. The cynicism of the world is because the US has often worked clandestine and often double standards in world affairs. However this is also becoming the West's attitude too if one osa fair. The rest of the West instead of going along with the subterfuges should distance more then the US may come to realise how it compromises itself.

The West is not very subtley supporting the rebels which are of a number but still a minority so they cannot bring the regime down. The utter stupidity of that group refusing to take part in elections shows they are a pathetic lot of losers. They are disunited, cannot work together have no idea of what a Syria without the present regime will be like and also leaves it open to banditry, mayhem, radical Islam and a fractured State. Just look at what we in the West did to Libya.

Unfortunately (for you) what I am posting mjsmsprt40 is that it is much of the same view around the world. Syria is yet another example although you do try to justify by imparting the traditional American view that the world is somehow wrong and that your country is misunderstood or not appreciated. The cynicism of the world is because the US has often worked clandestine and often double standards in world affairs. However this is also becoming the West's attitude too if one is fair. The rest of the West instead of going along with the subterfuges should distance more then the US may come to realise how it compromises itself.

The West is not very subtley supporting the rebels which are of a number but still a minority so they cannot bring the regime down. The utter stupidity of that group refusing to take part in elections shows they are a pathetic lot of losers. They are disunited, cannot work together have no idea of what a Syria without the present regime will be like and also leaves it open to banditry, mayhem, radical Islam and a fractured State. Just look at what we in the West did to Libya.

Originally posted by Horncastle:

Welcome to 2012 - with the Eclipses all exactly over the major faults, the Sun having unprecedented Sunspot activity, and a massive long period comet expected - Human nerves are liable to be somewhat unforgiving of sloth and stoopit.

You blame the sun, others have blamed Mayan brevity, here we can blame the dragon. But sure, frayed nerves are in attendance in the run-up to the (s)election. Still, this thread is about Syria, which I think has more severe and significant problems than transitory moon shadows.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Seems we can't win for losing, RJ. If we prop up the present regime, we're seen as being bad guys for propping up the present regime. If we help the rebels overthrow the present regime--- well we get stuff like you're posting.

How about the people living in Syria? The majority seems to be for the present regime. No wonder. By propping the rebels/foreign mercenaries with arms and money Syria sleighs towards a civil war. Whoever will gain profit from the mess, it for sure won't be the vast majority of Syrian residents.
Meddling in sovereign states affairs never has/had an unselfish purpose...
However the rhetoric has changed over the years. In our civilized western world there is no place anymore for military interventions/wars but only for humanitarian interventions...

The point of course again Krake is that the average American (eg. our Windy City friend) is the steryotype answer of being double damned! Americans blatantantly ignore their political masters long history of playing all sorts of illegal games. If they manage to destabilise or invade a country then they are the good gutys. If they don't then they are not being appreciated or understood. It must be the world champion at being amoral and as the routine American knows little of the outside world they are spoon fed by a corporate controlled media by and large. In a sense you cannot blame them because they have had love of country, etc hi-jacked by the 1% clique.

We in the Wset led by the USA must stop interfering in the internal affairs of other nations including those we don't like. Trouble is that big business is the not so secret string puller and the military conquest provides another commercial outlet to sell stuff. If some country wants to be a dictatorship or do it's own thing why should we damn well be involved? Humanitariangrounds should be the only consideration. Ofter you have to wonder if 'democracy' is just an old fashioned system and word used for the money men to excuse anything? In recent times a rather overly patriotic nationalist government was elected in Austria and all hell broke loose in the EEC. It is always the same. We in the West bleat about demoracy and rightsof opinion and freedom until a government the people elect somewhere and an excuse to destabilise or crush comes into play. Motives are suspect to say the least.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We in the Wset led by the USA must stop interfering in the internal affairs of other nations ...

We should but we won't.
Like the USA, European states including mine and yours have its own geostrategical and economic interests as well. The NATO is considered to be the military arm of those interests. That's the main reason NATO is still alife. Without USA, no NATO and no military arm of those interests. Comprende?
Therefore just pointing the finger at the USA is hypocritical to say the least.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

In recent times a rather overly patriotic nationalist government was elected in Austria and all hell broke loose in the EEC.

It must be for a very long time since you had your last history classes.
A.H. was never elected in Austria. The Anschluss came later.

BTW, Far right on rise in Europe, says report

I am not talking about Austria of the 1930's nor did I mention that period, I directly mentioned the EEC which I would historically remind wasn't actually around when the brwonshirters were doing their stuff. So you got that bit wrong. As for hypocrisy. The US IS the leader as it often claims to be in everyhting with more bases around the world than anyone else and still building them so they are No 1.Anyone seen as not being a pal of Washington DC is in for a roiugh ride. You get destabilised or invaded for your damn nerve - and of course such happens for your own good!

It is an utter nonsense that NATO is still in exitsence and yet another mask for the 'leader of the Free World' to give the impression it is on moral ground. It was created to deal with the red menace in Eastern Europe so when the Wasaw Pact went it should have too. It is a fig-leaf for modern imperialism of the worst kind. The world and developing nations would be better off without all this continued need to have a military Reich to intimidate and control the planet. Syria is not a straightorward easy to sort out thing. We can see what happened with NATO's jaunt in Libya's Civil War because that is what it was. There would have been stalemate there because neither side could knock each other out but here was the chance to knock a dictator out. Not that being a dictator is usually a worry as the leadr of the free world has a long history of supporting those that lap it up.

Syria is very much a different kettle of fish and others should keep their noses out. Trouble is we have clandestines slipping in with more fundamental ideas in mind. Again I would repeat that the opposition is not styrong enough and I suspect does not have the majority on it's side at all and the stupidity of not contesting the elections is so damn stupid it shows how elementary silly they are as well as fragmented.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I am not talking about Austria of the 1930's nor did I mention that period, I directly mentioned the EEC which I would historically remind wasn't actually around when the brwonshirters were doing their stuff. So you got that bit wrong.

Would you mind telling me which Austrian nationalist government that made "all hell broke loose in the EEC" are you talking about?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is an utter nonsense that NATO is still in exitsence and yet another mask for the 'leader of the Free World' to give the impression it is on moral ground.

I already told you the main reason for NATO being still alife.
The 'leader of the Free World' is on the same moral ground as its partners are... The only difference, it is much more powerful.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We can see what happened with NATO's jaunt in Libya's Civil War because that is what it was.

May I remind you that the air strikes have been carried out by European partners. Those European partners have interests in Libya as well. Otherwise they wouldn't have been even involved in a military action.
While Iraq wasn't a NATO operation, many European NATO partners have been involved there too. Simply because they also had interests in Iraq and hoped to get a slice of the cake at a later time.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Seems we can't win for losing, RJ. If we prop up the present regime, we're seen as being bad guys for propping up the present regime. If we help the rebels overthrow the present regime--- well we get stuff like you're posting.

They pretend to be liberators, they are the real terrorists.

‘US, Israel behind terrorism and social unrest in Syria’
Apr 29, 2012

Syria has been experiencing unrest since mid-March 2011 and many people, including members of the security forces, have been killed in the turmoil.

Damascus blames armed terrorist groups for the country’s year-long unrest, asserting that violent acts are being orchestrated from abroad.

Press TV has conducted an interview with Paul Sheldon Foote, professor at the California State University, Irvine, to further discuss the issue. The following is a rough transcription of the interview.

Press TV: Professor, how would you explain Russia’s stance and position towards Syria?

Foote: I think it’s time that someone started telling the truth about it. It’s very obvious that America, Israel and some Arab countries are behind this terrorism in Syria.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238688.html

And may I remind you Krake that nothing happens in the West without the US being involved either directly or behind the scenes. NATO is there as a rather poor fig-leaf to give wider credence to America. It created it and it is it's baby. Just watch Clinton waffling on about the terrible things in Syria but shuts her mouth on Quatar or Saudi Arabia. But hey, US bases there so there are cumfy dictatorships! The media are going overboard on Syria as they did over the Serbian situation thing, Libya and much else. The opposition cannot take the country over they have no mandate and there are plenty inside who don't want them too. With arms being taken in or paid for we have another hypocrisy going on. Now France talking about using the military without the UN. After the ridiculous Libyan interference games are being played towards Damascus but this is a very different scenario.

And what pray would we replace Assad with? The rebels? They are like loose cannons. No leadership, internal disagreements and now fundamentalist fighters coming in for the fun of it. The new Libyan "government" cannot control the country in total and the place is awash with weapons thanks to the NATO marauders. We would have one Hell of another mess in Syria. This constant need of the West to interfere everywhere is handy for taking minds of the economic plight and is developing into a senseless direction. We are in decline and this shows by this stupid need to get involved elsewhere as a distraction. At the rate the media is continuing to hype up everything including putting a false picture in as Syria (BBC) e will soon be told things are worse than the 3rd Reich or USSR.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Now France talking about using the military without the UN.

You must have misunderstood this or your sources have distorted Hollande's words. He meant a military intervention with UN mandate.
However Hollande's statement isn't more than poor profiling rhetoric since a military intervention is off the table because there will be no UN mandate for it. So most probably plan B will be applied, regime change at cost of a civil war. To the benefit of the Syrian people of course...

Originally posted by rjhowie:

At the rate the media is continuing to hype up everything including putting a false picture in as Syria (BBC) ...

Why should the BBC make any exception from the rest of our biased mainstream. BTW, they removed the picture.

As for the Syrian Liberation Army, some of them have been trained in Kosovo by KLA terrorists...
Google search

Quite different from what US government told us.

Syria: anti-government groups committed Houla massacre

http://www.reuters.com/Reuters – 1 hr 6 mins ago

• BEIRUT (Reuters) - Syria said on Thursday a preliminary investigation showed that anti-government armed groups committed a massacre last week in Houla, in which 108 people were killed, with the aim of encouraging foreign military intervention against the Syrian government.

• Brigadier General Qassem Jamal Suleiman, head of the investigation committee formed by the government, said the victims were families "who refused to oppose the government and were at odds with the armed groups".

• He said many of the victims were relatives of a member of the Syrian parliament.
(Reporting by Mariam Karouny; Editing by Kevin Liffey)

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-anti-government-groups-committed-houla-massacre-161038724.html

According to a media report on Wednesday Saudi Arablia is alleged to making a pay structure in a kind of rank structure for the dilly dollies of the Syrian rbels. Another odd item elsewhere was concerneing several people killed by the Syrian forces. What Katsung says about those families also came up in a tv news item. The sheer hypocrisy of the West led of course as usual by that great leaqder of non-double standards and and honesty the USA sees the Secretary of State Clinton telling Russia to keep out and not interfere! Talk about a bras neck from a country that does that where it suit it? That really is a bit rich from a country that interferes and sticks it's military just about everywhere it can!

I am no great fan of such regimes as in Syria but I noticed in a tv debate in a BBC programme which included a government supporter she made a positive comment. A businesswoman she said she did not agree with much of the way the Assad government was handling things but the deliberate inerference from elsewhere was no help and peaceful means of change should be the way. The West along with Saudi Arabia and Quatar (wow, two great beacons of non-dictatorship) pushed by the West and Turkey are all sticking their noses in. So as it is open house on Syria and one side can be supported by money and arms then by all means on that activity why shouldn't Russia sell arms to the other?! The opposition just won't co-operate even with each other. They refused to take part on the recent elections which they should have and for them they could have let us see how wide their support is. If the Assad regime was forced to crumble due to our interference then we would get a repeat of the shambles over in Libya. It would be made worse by inter-religious conflict and persecution. We should keep our noses out to be blunt.

BBC uses fake photo for Houla massacre

A screenshot of the state-run BBC’s website shows that the network used an old photo of dead Iraqi children from 2003 and tried to pass it off as a photo of victims of the recent massacre of civilians in the Syrian town of Houla.

Tue May 29, 2012 2:20AM GMT

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20120529/jammas.hussain20120529022619250.jpg


The British state-run broadcaster BBC has been caught passing off an old photo from Iraq in 2003 for the massacre in the Syrian town of Houla.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/243579.html

You are very right there katsung47. In the last few days the BBC after an indepth review has admitted that it has been bias in reporting from the Middle East in general and reporters too embeded on one side in the Syria situation. A the press frenzie and the West's clamouring attitude at hype knows no bounds.

Hillary Clinton struts out to the media and lambasts Russia for shipping helicopters to the Syrian Government only she wasn't being honest. The helicopters had been bought from Russia by Syria damn ages ago and had been sent back for maintenance repair so they were Syrian owned and she damn well knew that. The sheer bare faced nerve. We are getting all sorts of inflated numbers of "rebels" and "civilians" being killed as always and the media competing to come up with a better number all the time. but there are an awful lot of soldiers being injured and killed too. They also have families. Russia is right to be cautious and not jump into bed with the USA and all the Western States acting as lackeys to it. Indeed Russia remembers the meddling fiasco in the Balkans thanks to the West. The the same Western pot stirring in Libya and look ast the shambles there. Terro groups are moving inwith the Syrian rebels now too and yet the West is encluraging the arms being fed in from Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Quatar. Those two being hand in glove with the West and of course bases there.

12 April 2012 09:12
Syrian people urge Army not to withdraw under Annan deal

Syrians in Homs have urged the Army not to withdraw from the western city as has been required by a peace plan proposed by the special UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan.

According to Press TV, the residents’ opposition to the pullout comes as the international community is pressuring Damascus to implement Annan’s six-point plan.

Under the proposed plan, the Syrian Army must first withdraw its troops from populated areas.

Damascus has criticized Annan for not requiring the same commitment from the armed terrorist groups, who are fighting the government, warning that they would enter cities as soon as the Army gets out.

http://english.irib.ir/news/political/item/90448-syrian-people-urge-army-not-to-withdraw-under-annan-deal

Spot on there. I watched the 2 main tv news channels here and I can tell you that they are as biased as Hell. Talk about misuse of news and influencing in one direction. The media are working themselves upp in a frenzy. Oh they will of course come out with guff li,e reports not being able to be veriified then belabour phone calls and satements from the myria of gangs being supported by Turkey, Quatar and Saudi Arabia. Those las two being great bastions of rights, freedoms and democracy. The West stinks yet again as in the Libya of today. It was replaced by a whole raft of gun toting gangs who cock a snoot at the "government" in Tripoli. I said that debacle would happen and the West is in danger of doing the same mess-up in Syria. Disgusting.