Planned Parenthood Bombed

Planned Parenthood Bombed

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/02/456446/planned-parenthood-in-wisconsin-bombed/

PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN WISCONSIN BOMBED | Police are investigating after a homemade explosive device started a small fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin. A small device placed on a windowsill went off around 7:30 last night and started a fire. Firefighters responded, but the fire had burnt itself out when they arrived. The clinic was empty and no one was hurt. The state has been debating a number of bills that critics say amount to a “war against women,” including one limiting abortion coverage in private medical plans and another basically equating single motherhood with child abuse.

The GOPers need to stop these attacks against on Planned Parenthood that they're telling to "appeal to the base." Now we having domestic terrorism against a valuable provider of women's health services that provides a wide range of services including breast cancer detection and STD screenings. This is far from the first time clinics have been bombed.

GOP, your overheated rhetoric is beyond irresponsible.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

GOP, your overheated rhetoric is beyond irresponsible.

What a strange world you live in, Sang!

Police are working to determine who placed the explosive device an outside windowsill at the clinic […]
Neither [the president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin] nor police were aware of any threats made regarding the clinic leading up to the placement of the explosive.
(from the actual news article)

But I do agree that there's a "need to stop these attacks against lies (sic) about Planned Parenthood."

Try as I might, I can't remember the last time I saw a GOP brochure that told me I should bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic. For that matter, although I belong to a denomination that preaches right-to-life and is about as conservative as they come, I can't recall seeing anything from them saying I should bomb Planned Parenthood clinics. Gotta side with Oakdale on this one, I have no idea where Sang is getting the idea that the GOP is telling people to do these things.

6th Congressional District (as of this writing, we're changing to 8th because of gerrymandering of the districts), in DuPage County--- about as Republican a district as you can find. No sign of leaflets demanding the demolition of clinics or the murder of doctors can be found.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Try as I might, I can't remember the last time I saw a GOP brochure that told me I should bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic.

And where exactly did anyone make such a claim? I know Oakdale couldn't correctly read a simple sentence to save his life but I thought you would do better. Coon's talking about constant heated rhetorics against Planned Parenthood with little to no basis in reality, quite a different thing.

Essentially, sanguinemoon did by blaming the attack on the GOP. Though yes, that particular typo is interesting ...

It's not the GOP which are to blame, rather it is the fundamentalist Christian extremists (and yes, there are such). They do tend to support the GOP more so than they do Democrats, but blaming the GOP is ... well, as crazy as blaming all of Islam for Taliban attacks. (Likewise blaming all Christians for these bombings doesn't work either.) In fact, if these people did not feel someone was giving them a voice you'd probably see more violence rather than less, so really the GOP are doing you a service.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Essentially, sanguinemoon did by blaming the attack on the GOP. Though yes, that particular typo is interesting ...

It's not the GOP which are to blame, rather it is the fundamentalist Christian extremists (and yes, there are such).

Which are cheered on by certain clowns who represent the GOP, which is the whole point here.
Let's see how many people who usually demand apologies from every muslim cleric in the country whenever some asshole does something stupid on the other side of the planet, demand the same from, say, Old Ratty, Pat Robertson, Rick 'frothy mix' Santorum and their ilk.

You just did, does that count?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Coon's talking about constant heated rhetorics against Planned Parenthood with little to no basis in reality, quite a different thing.

Yes, I didn't say that GOP told anyone to bomb anything. And yes, I made a typo that the result of sloppily editing the original phrasing

When you look at the size of the bomb, which was basically a two liter soda bottle filled with flammable liquid, you'll have to conclude that the bomber was incompetent or never intended to destroy the entire building. If the later is the case, what was the purpose of the crude bomb? Let's ask state Senator Mark Miller

“We don’t know what the purpose of the incendiary device at the Planned Parenthood clinic was, but you tend to think there’s some sort of a political statement trying to be made,” state Sen. Mark Miller (D) told TPM. “Planned Parenthood has become a partisan issue.”

...

“most of the discussion about Planned Parenthood has been at the Republican presidential issue, more so than here at the state level.” Now that the presidential race has landed in Wisconsin, the candidates may have brought the amped-up attacks on Planned Parenthood with them, he said.

So, in summary, we have a small, weak bomb planted at time when nobody would be in the clinic. We have elections in Wisconsin in two days with the GOP politicians each trying to outdo each other to appeal to the anti-abortion base (while "forgetting" PP does much, much more than abortion, which is service not even offered at all PP clinics - services vary by location.) This adds up to a political statement. No, I'm not saying the statement is by any candidate's operative, but by a deluded person (or group) that thinks he's furthering the GOP anti-PP/women's health message.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Essentially, sanguinemoon did by blaming the attack on the GOP.

I never essentially do anything. I either do it or I don't. I don't romney on the issues. In this case, my meaning was quite clear. The GOP needs to stop demonizing the respected provider of women's health services and tone down their rhetoric.

Since we're (of course, I mean you, Sang! ) back to just imagining and imaging reality to suit a narrative, consider this:
Planned Parenthood's clinics haven't suffered violence or threats of such in quite a while… Perhaps they're feeling marginalized, and someone thought a little agitprop was required?

You'll forgive me, if I wait for the police to do their job? But do tell, guys: Is paranoia really that comfortable?

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

You just did, does that count?

Who did what?
Me demanding an apology from christians? If that's what you meant you need to work on your reading comprehension.

I have to agree with Oakdale, this looks more like a set-up than anything else. So I'll wait for some official report.

You think Senator Miller will apologize if that turns out to be the case? What about you two, will you?

But looks can be deceiving, and I was joking! (Speaking of joking: Did you really ask that second question? )

Set up? Who's setting up whom? A Strange Love thing where a PP supporter bombed their own clinic? I don't think so. Back in January as well? And on January 20th when when a Pro-PP Texas State Senator office was bombed? (in that case the arrested was mentally ill, but that doesn't mean it was random)

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Set up? Who's setting up whom?

If I knew that, I wouldn't have to wait for some official report, now would I?

According to what you've posted, the bomb seems to have been extremely ineffective. So it is possible someone wasn't trying to do much damage. Other incidents are not germane - we all know it has happened before, no one is arguing that. The ones you hear about have seemed to be generally more effective than this was ...

Yeah. "But that doesn't mean it was random."

Update, March 21, 11:10 a.m.:

A mentally unstable man has been charged with throwing a bag filled with six Molotov cocktails at the door of the Fort Worth office of state Sen. Wendy Davis.

Police officials said at a press conference Wednesday that 40-year-old Cedric Steele has been charged with arson of a building. Federal authorities may choose to pursue other charges, police said.

Steele had previously visited Davis' office on Friday and Monday asking to speak with the senator and at one point had promised Davis' staff that they would hear about him in the news, police said.

After being arrested at a convenience store parking lot Tuesday evening, Steele told police he had wanted to speak to Davis about "a tazing incident that occurred in Michigan," according to the affidavit. He also spoke to the police about "an alien species."

Neither Davis nor police would comment on whether Steele was motivated by her position on any issue.

Davis said she hoped the incident reminded people to tone down the rhetoric. "Certainly there have been some reports of candidate forums where particular vitriolic statements have been directed at me," she said.

Davis also said the incident highlights the danger of cutting funding for mental health services. "The importance of our mental health services cannot be understated," Davis said.
(source)

You could read more, if you were interested… But then you'd be down to so few examples that even you might have to consider the possibility that only your own malice explains your ludicrous accusations.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

So it is possible someone wasn't trying to do much damage.

I already said that.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

So, in summary, we have a small, weak bomb planted at time when nobody would be in the clinic. We have elections in Wisconsin in two days with the GOP politicians each trying to outdo each other to appeal to the anti-abortion base (while "forgetting" PP does much, much more than abortion, which is service not even offered at all PP clinics - services vary by location.) This adds up to a political statement.

This is adding up to a pattern of terrorist behavior. You have three people (at least) since January resorting to violence, even as GOP becomes even more aggressive in their financial and rhetorical attacks against the well respected provider of women's health services (in fact, against women's health in general, as well as belittling women's health advocates.)

If the GOP succeeds in destroying PP who do you suppose will provide the low cost breast cancer screenings, the cervical cancer screens, the STD screenings, etc? A government run clinic? They're so "conservative" now that they don't even realize that a conservative solution is already in place and the only alternatives would be a liberal solution (bigger government, more (not less) government spending.)

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

If I knew that, I wouldn't have to wait for some official report, now would I?

And yet you're the silly enough to this smells like a set-up. It's a simple question. Who do you think is setting someone up?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

This adds up to a political statement.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

This is adding up to a pattern of terrorist behavior.

You have your own arithmetic, too. How "progressive"…

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Who do you think is setting someone up?

You're still asking the wrong question. Who? Someone wanting to make political "hay" might, that narrows it to a few million suspects. How in the world would I know?

I notice you didn't reply to Oakdale pointing out your error, though.

The whole point of me posting is to point out your prejudice (and yes, that's the right word - making a judgement before actual facts are available), now you're asking me to do so. Sorry, I'm not ruling anything out yet. I don't know it is a set-up, I don't know it isn't - but the evidence so far seems to be stronger towards it being one. Until more evidence is available, that's where it is.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

If I knew that, I wouldn't have to wait for some official report, now would I?

And yet you're the silly enough to this smells like a set-up. It's a simple question. Who do you think is setting someone up?

Atheist commie muslims acting on orders from Obama of course, didn't you figure that out by now?

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

The whole point of me posting is to point out your prejudice (and yes, that's the right word - making a judgement before actual facts are available), now you're asking me to do so.

Too late, you already did:

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

I have to agree with Oakdale, this looks more like a set-up than anything else. So I'll wait for some official report.

Translation: doesn't fit sgunhouse's prejudices so there must be a conspiracy behind the conspiracy.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

You think Senator Miller will apologize if that turns out to be the case? What about you two, will you?

For what exactly?
For pointing out that some some retarded, inflammatory rhetorics from certain parts of the GOP might have contributed? If there was any way to blame this on a muslim this thread would be full of wailing & gnashing of teeth over islamist hate preachers, 'religion of peace' and whatnot.
Seriously, you should start reading what we actually wrote instead of going with whatever you imagine we meant.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

You're still asking the wrong question.

Nope. I just asked you a simple question to clarify your statement. Nothing about this seems like setup. Some right-winger planted a bomb, again. For the third time in as many months. You can't tell the rhetoric and actions from the "conservative" movement had nothing to do with it. Now which party is "conservative?"
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/02/laura-bassett-nothing-less-pro-life-than-bombing-health-clinic/

“Like with the Rush Limbaugh controversy, I think there are a lot more that conservatives, particularly pro-life conservatives, could be doing to calm their base down,” she (Laura Basset) said. “Unfortunately, they’re doing the opposite.”

Exactly.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

I notice you didn't reply to Oakdale pointing out your error, though.

Of course not. I still have him blocked, so I can only glean what he even said from other's comments. I'm guessing some idiocy that I said the GOP told people to bomb clinics? Who knows, or even cares?

He posted the real story on that senator from Texas, that's what. The one you said got bombed in January? If you don't care for the truth, no point in this.

When the preferred tack is calumny, it's an ill wind indeed!

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Try as I might, I can't remember the last time I saw a GOP brochure that told me I should bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic.

And where exactly did anyone make such a claim? I know Oakdale couldn't correctly read a simple sentence to save his life but I thought you would do better. Coon's talking about constant heated rhetorics against Planned Parenthood with little to no basis in reality, quite a different thing.

Read the opening post. Read it carefully.

I do agree that "The GOPers need to stop these attacks" initially sounds like he's talking about bombings and other physical violence, but due to what follows it's pretty clear that he meant rhetorical attacks. But I'm sure you know that anyway and you're just taking the piss out of his careless phrasing, to use a British expression.

When I see stuff phrased like the OP, I start looking to see what material I've received from the GOP, or from the church I attend since it's pro-life, that instructs me in any way to place bombs at abortion clinics. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. The only thing I see that might, even by a remote stretch, be considered such a thing is that those of us who preach pro-life think abortion is sin. Biblically, it is sin. The thing is, you have to really reach to make the argument that teaching that abortion is sin somehow gives authorization to bomb clinics and shoot doctors. The people who do these things often are already unbalanced and it's quite likely that the voices in their heads are really giving them their marching orders. That's what happened according to the link in Oakdale's post about the firebombing of the senator's office. That guy likely had no contact with any political agency, he was just angry because the senator didn't leap to attention when he dropped a dead animal at her office.

I think it's rather sad people resort to this diabolical stuff. Thought it had dried up but apparently not. Some politicians need to have a brain inserted between the ears.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think it's rather sad people resort to this diabolical stuff.

What "stuff"? Demonizing one's political opponents? Nah. Progressives (they used to be called "Liberals" but they don't like that anymore…) can't "progress" without doing so.

But do you really accept the following logic?
Many right-wingers vocally oppose abortion. Planned Parenthood is the world's largest provider of abortions. So, if a clinic they run is bombed (no matter how ineptly), right-wingers are guilty; at least, of provocative speech —i.e., incitement.
QED (quite easily done)

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

The thing is, you have to really reach to make the argument that teaching that abortion is sin somehow gives authorization to bomb clinics and shoot doctors.

Seriously? At what did I say this? The rhetoric from the GOP could have incited the violence, even if not intentionally. The political party will not let up on the organization. In the same breath as condemning the bombing, Rick Santorum reiterates the need to defund PP and angers his voters that supposedly religious freedom is under attack.

However the RHETORICAL attacks get worse. Yes, trying to make it out so Planned Parenthood is one big eugenics organization.

Originally posted by Rick Santorum:

“Well, look at — and I know they dispute this — certainly a lot of evidence that the location of their clinics happen to be in places, historically places, where there are high concentrations of minorities for example,”

Maybe, but that so minority women can get to the clinic. In three out 100 cases, it might be to get a abortion. The remaining 97 cases are for vital health services.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

The people who do these things often are already unbalanced and it's quite likely that the voices in their heads are really giving them their marching orders.

I'm not convinced that's the case this time. Small, weak bomb at time where the clinic would be empty. A person doing this because he has voices his head to "save the children" or whatever would probably plant a large enough bomb to do more damage and take out some "abortionists."

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Try as I might, I can't remember the last time I saw a GOP brochure that told me I should bomb a Planned Parenthood clinic.

And where exactly did anyone make such a claim? I know Oakdale couldn't correctly read a simple sentence to save his life but I thought you would do better. Coon's talking about constant heated rhetorics against Planned Parenthood with little to no basis in reality, quite a different thing.

Read the opening post. Read it carefully.

He's obviously talking about verbal attacks. Context matters, don't ignore it.

Apparently He and Sgunhouse (and probably Oakdale) stopped at the word "attacks" and somehow thought that I meant the GOP itself did this and other bombings or deliberately incited people to conduct them. The excuse is always "This was a single mentally disturbed individual." The problem is that it isn't an isolated incident and yet the rhetoric against what's possibly the single most valuable provider of women's health services continues to be escalated.

Right now, a big charge against PP is eugenics, a "theory" associated with Fascism, NAZIsm, racism, etc. This is based on Margaret Sanger being a eugenicist. It's true, she was. However, Wikipedia tells that "Eugenics was widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century.[5] The First International Congress of Eugenics in 1912 was supported by many prominent persons, including: its president Leonard Darwin, the son of Charles Darwin; honorary vice-president Winston Churchill, then First Lord of the Admiralty and future Prime Minister of the United Kingdom; Auguste Forel, famous Swiss pathologist; Alexander Graham Bell, the inventor of the telephone; among other prominent people." So is Kellogg's Cereal evil? (He's not in that list, but is pointed out in the article.) AT&T? I've personally anti-abortion articles trying to make the claim that PP still practices eugenics and racism (which would be horrible thing, if it was true.) One could make the distinction between the anti-abortion movement and the GOP; however, it's false one. What party do the anti-abortionists belong to and which party propagates their messages to it's base? I find it hard to believe that defenders and excuse makers for the GOP don't understand that such messages could be contributing to the increasing violence against the PP. One thing that makes this charge so slanderous and so false is that the PP saves the lives of many minority women through their breast cancer, cervical cancer, etc services. In fact, the eugenics charge isn't even an intelligent one to make, once one gets even a few facts about PP. Yet, members of the GOP still spread it. That's just one example.

There's also the GOP Congressional witchhunts "investigations" against PP that invariably turn up no wrong doing. That charge goes along the line that PP is illegally using taxpayer money for abortion, which isn't true. It's doubt that charge would led someone to commit violence, but it keeps up the false rhetoric against PP. Than there's the constant calls to defund PP. Like I said either in thread, what's going to replace its women's health services? Like the previous charge, this keeps up the propaganda against PP and adds more fuel to the fire' especially with so few in the GOP questioning the reasoning, or lack thereof.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Apparently He and Sgunhouse (and probably Oakdale) stopped at the word "attacks" and somehow thought that I meant the GOP itself did this and other bombings or deliberately incited people to conduct them.

I can't speak for them, but I did not have that impression. However, you are still blaming the GOP for inciting these attacks, even if it wasn't deliberate. Unless you care to make a retraction?

Santorum was obviously grasping at straws to try to appeal to minorities (and failed miserably), no huge surprise I'm sure. That particular quote wouldn't encourage anyone to bomb Planned Parenthood though, as anyone crazy enough to believe it is likely to be of the neo-nazi persuasion and therefore would conclude that PP is actually doing them a service

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Apparently He and Sgunhouse (and probably Oakdale) stopped at the word "attacks" and somehow thought that I meant the GOP itself did this and other bombings or deliberately incited people to conduct them. The excuse is always "This was a single mentally disturbed individual." The problem is that it isn't an isolated incident and yet the rhetoric against what's possibly the single most valuable provider of women's health services continues to be escalated.

You could easily see what I've posted, even without unblocking me… Just click the [+] on the line MyOpera collapses my posts to. When you're done, click the [-] and resume your blissful ignorance.







Now, as to the "isolated incident" trope:

You gave three instances. The first in Florida. The second in Texas. The third in Wisconsin.
The second was found to have nothing to do with politics. The third still remains under investigation; so, we don't know what actually happened or why. (Your presumptions aside.) That leaves the first — and I admit that I didn't bother to research it: One incident in a country of over 300 million does not an alarming trend make…

Is abortion still a contentious practice? Yup. Does Roe v Wade still rankle and rile some? Indeed, in much the same way it exalts and encourages others. That's what happens when a longstanding social question is "decided" by fiat. Did you think a 5-4 Supreme Court decision would create a Brave New World?
You probably weren't born when Roe was decided, so you probably do believe that. And, typically, you think anyone who doesn't accept the view you're wedded to has the "right" to shut up…

About the "set-up": I posited agitprop as one possibility for the Wisconsin incident, based on the facts available at the time. Do you deny that there are some people so pro-abortion, so protective of Planned Parenthood or just so anti-Republicans that the threat of political opposition might send them over the edge?
I mean, it would be for a good cause… Sort of like a cop planting evidence on a suspect he knows is guilty, right?

Hm. Would you consider that going "over the edge," I wonder?

Since you're willing to do much the same thing with your rhetoric, consider the question rhetorical.
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UPDATE: Suspect arrested. (He sure seems to fit Sang's profile…somehow or other.)

UPDATE: Suspect charged. (We still don't know why, or much else…)

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

That particular quote wouldn't encourage anyone to bomb Planned Parenthood though, as anyone crazy enough to believe it is likely to be of the neo-nazi persuasion and therefore would conclude that PP is actually doing them a service

No, but here you have a mainstream GOP politician furthering the PP eugenics/racial cleansing accusation even if he just trying unsuccessfully to appeal to minorities. This type of irresponsible behavior has got to stop. That's part of the trouble with the GOP. They think they can make any ridiculous accusation and it's all just politics. It isn't. This is women's health we're talking about here.

I used to think the ability to appeal to their was one the GOP's strengths. But they do it so much now that's it's become a weakness. They make outrageous statements to do this and alienate everyone except white, evangelical, heterosexual males. Have you seen how they're doing among women lately, especially in swing states? This is shaping up to an Obama landslide against Romney and Senators and Representatives are in trouble, too. Yes, they need to stops this, not only to cool off their fringe elements, but also for their own political survival.

The other part is always the bad one. Are always them that do the low attacking, are always them who are responsible for the present situation.
By definition.

If the other part involvement is not clear, simple - Si non é vero, é bene trovato.

Good point, Belfrager! I made a similar point above…

Originally posted by Belfrager:

The other part is always the bad one. Are always them that do the low attacking, are always them who are responsible for the present situation.

In this case it is. When have you ever heard of a Crises Pregnancy Center being bombed?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Si non é vero, é bene trovato.

But it is true. Maybe you don't know enough about American politics to realize this. That's not your fault. I know nothing of Portuguese politics, so I could be forgiven for misunderstanding one of your political parties as well. The GOP members culpability is their persistent rhetorical attacks against Planned Parenthood, equating with racist policies to keep the hatred on the most respected provider of women's health services in the country. They keep trying to tell people that PP is trying to racially cleanse America, then act surprised when some people resort to violence. In January, it was in Texas. Now it's Wisconsin. Jan 2009 it was in Minnesota. May 31, 2009 Dr. George Tiller was murdered. (At that time, the GOP was claiming that women could walk into a clinic and have a late-term abortion for just about any reason, in some killing a baby that would be viable. In fact, doing so is illegal.)

I wonder if there's some way to pin the story in the link below to the Democrat party? I suspect if we try really hard and even make up stuff along the way it could be done. Father Pfleger hasn't been afraid to speak his mind and that has inflamed some members of the community, some of whom may not be above setting fires at the church to voice their displeasure at his stated opinions.

One thing that would keep me from trying to pin it on the Democrats: There is no-not-any pamphlet, flyer or any known statement by Democrats demanding that people who speak against evil in their community should have flaming shirts nailed to their doors. The same lack of material doesn't stop Sang from trying to pin the attempted firebombing of a PP outlet on the GOP, but I guess in his mind there must be something.

http://www.suntimes.com/11706983-417/burning-shirt-found-on-door-of-st-sabinas-youth-center.html

From the article:

The Catholic priest has been vocal on many issues and has protested against gang and overall violence in the city, especially in the church’s neighborhood.

It was most likely gang related.

Made up? Only if you still don't grasp the context.I never said the GOP was directly responsible. The probability that the GOP leadership is sitting around plotting PP bombings approaches zero. The context is that the GOP rhetoric has gotten ever more outrageous. Meanwhile, it's impossible to deny the violence against PP has increased. Two bombings already this year. Correlation does not prove causation, however, it's a remarkable coincidence.

So in other words, there is no relation whatsoever to the clinic bombing, you are just using that as an excuse to vent - which is what I suspected all along.

Grand Chute Police Chief Greg Peterson said investigators in the case learned that Grady may have been involved in past protests at the office. The information was so far unconfirmed, Peterson said, but it is being looked at closely by the team of local and federal investigators handling the case.

“There was some indication that surfaced at some point that he has been involved in some of the demonstrations,” Peterson told TPM. But the chief described the information as coming from “someone who didn’t have direct knowledge,” so there was still more work to be done.
(source)

Let's hope the story comes out quickly... (Provided that doesn't screw up the prosecution's case.) It's a curious case.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

So in other words, there is no relation whatsoever to the clinic bombing,

Do conservatives not know how to read? I say they weren't planning the clinic bombing, not that there wasn't any relationship. The GOP are irresponsible spoiled children of the American political scheme. They cry; they scream; they flail about As when a child breaks things with his temper tantrums, the destruction that GOP causes isn't directly intentional. When a child breaks a priceless porcelain doll during the course of his temper tantrum, he didn't really mean to do it. When the GOP tells their base that Planned Parenthood are ethnic cleansing baby killers and the message reaches the ears of the type that would plant a bomb, they didn't mean to do it either.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Do conservatives not know how to read?

Apparently not.
You posted:

I say they weren't planning the clinic bombing, not that there wasn't any relationship. The GOP are irresponsible spoiled children of the American political scheme. They cry; they scream; they flail about As when a child breaks things with his temper tantrums, the destruction that GOP causes isn't directly intentional. When a child breaks a priceless porcelain doll during the course of his temper tantrum, he didn't really mean to do it. When the GOP tells their base that Planned Parenthood are ethnic cleansing baby killers and the message reaches the ears of the type that would plant a bomb, they didn't mean to do it either.

Sang, please note what you consider when you say when you say "

Sang, it may surprise you to find that we do know how to read. I read that you are quite irrational when it comes to the GOP and you're willing to pin any evil you can on them, with or without any proof. Conservatives dare to say something against one of your pet theories--- that has to be stopped!!!!. OK, I think we get that.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Conservatives dare to say something against one of your pet theories--- that has to be stopped!!!!.

And by the look of it, way too man conservatives are unable to tell the difference between "you're wrong because <whatever>" and "shut the hell up!!!!!one!eleventyone!!" - in fact they rarely ever fail to take the former as the latter.

I think this is just within context:
Abortion clinics get spot-checks

Abortion clinics across England are undergoing unannounced inspections to check they are abiding by the law..............The work of abortion clinics first came under the spotlight in February when the Daily Telegraph secretly filmed doctors and alleged some were agreeing to terminate foetuses when women did not want their baby because of its gender.

Any comments?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

The GOP are irresponsible spoiled children of the American political scheme. They cry; they scream; they flail about As when a child breaks things with his temper tantrums, the destruction that GOP causes isn't directly intentional. When a child breaks a priceless porcelain doll during the course of his temper tantrum, he didn't really mean to do it.

Sounds like both parties to me. So the only difference is, you agree with the Democrats and not the Republicans, correct?

I am not a Republican. I do consider myself a conservative in the real sense of the term - someone in favor of less government and lower taxes - but that's as far as I go. Very few Republicans seem to be in favor of less government, if you haven't noticed ... they want government to do things to help their friends in business and to enforce their definition of "American values". Democrats are really the same, except as to who their friends are and how they define "American values".

There is way too much polarization in American politics, nobody seems capable of having a civil debate on the issues people really care about.

As far as it goes, you could probably equally blame Obama, since his health care plan forces those opposed to abortion to pay. If he hadn't made it such an issue, you think most people would care?

Hmmm... Well, as an alternative, how about instead of bombing someone else, they bomb themselves? Seems to fit their ideology better.

If only Jesus had written a book spelling it all out. Anything.

For all we know, he was a deaf mute.

BTW, was Jesus a Christian.