Planned Parenthood Bombed

Planned Parenthood Bombed

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/02/456446/planned-parenthood-in-wisconsin-bombed/

PLANNED PARENTHOOD IN WISCONSIN BOMBED | Police are investigating after a homemade explosive device started a small fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin. A small device placed on a windowsill went off around 7:30 last night and started a fire. Firefighters responded, but the fire had burnt itself out when they arrived. The clinic was empty and no one was hurt. The state has been debating a number of bills that critics say amount to a “war against women,” including one limiting abortion coverage in private medical plans and another basically equating single motherhood with child abuse.

The GOPers need to stop these attacks against on Planned Parenthood that they're telling to "appeal to the base." Now we having domestic terrorism against a valuable provider of women's health services that provides a wide range of services including breast cancer detection and STD screenings. This is far from the first time clinics have been bombed.

GOP, your overheated rhetoric is beyond irresponsible.

I've discovered a sobering fact. None of these attacks against women's health care is really the GOP's fault. Nope. It's far worse than I feared. It turns out that evil robots from the future are controlling the Republican's minds! Source . To save us all, I need to invent a machine to undo the mind control!

Good to see that you've finally accepted your tenuous grip on reality, Sang!

BTW: Whatever became of Francis Gerald Grady, the arch-conservative? Did you find out anything about his "girlfriend"?

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

Good to see that you've finally accepted your tenuous grip on reality, Sang!

BTW: Whatever became of Francis Gerald Grady, the arch-conservative? Did you find out anything about his "girlfriend"?

He is no more. They found a way to make birth control retroactive.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

They found a way to make birth control retroactive.

The Progressive Party reborn?

None of this was to say that all Republicans are bad.....



Why, Oakdale can get his very own Fred Frisbee!

Yeuch.

Awww, don't hate, Mr. Howie. There's plenty of bikini clad girls. See, there's something for everyone Oh, that video somehow got banned for a time by Youtube.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Why, Oakdale can get his very own Fred Frisbee!

Sanguinemoon seems to forget which thread he's posting in — even when he's authored them! But Karger isn't even as serious as Sang…

What would you say are the main surprises you’ve had or lessons you’ve learned during this campaign?

I was very surprised at my treatment by some of my presumed allies. I thought I would be treated with better regard, certainly by the Jewish community and the [LGBT] community. I understand both are very Democratic constituencies, but it hurts a little bit because these are my natural bases. I relate to both so intimately, so it’s a little surprising that more people aren’t jumping on board. But what has really been the reward is the outpouring of support I’ve gotten from primarily younger people from all walks of life, from all communities, that are so excited about what I’m doing, about my message of inclusion, some of my out-of-the-box ideas, and they’re the ones who are rallying around and really making it all worthwhile. It’s been an absolutely incredible ride.

Will you run for office again?

[Laughs] I’m pretty exhausted from this nonstop activity for 25 months. I can’t anticipate another run for office. This is my first, and I’m thoroughly enjoying it, but I think this is probably it.
(source)

I admit that I'd like to hear about Karger's "out-of-the-box ideas"… Anybody know of any? (Beyond this mish-mash, I mean.)

…Sang? Oh, Sang…
Knock, knock!
Whose their? {I'm doin' dialect, man…]
A pro-choice gay Jewish Republican presidential candidate…
Woh! Who?
Nobody, really. Just thought it was funny… You can go back to your Beavis and Butt-Head re-runs now.

(Those who might be interested can read a thorough bio –linked to at the candidate's own web site– published by Mother Jones…and decide for themselves. Don't skip the second page…it's worth reading.)

Planned Parenthood under siege!!

With love, caring, understanding, & something an aborted fetus never got, A REAL CHOICE.



Do you think that women should have a CHOICE?

Why, or why not?

Would you mind seeing these services offered alongside each Planned Parenthood Clinic?

Why, or why not?

Let us know when Stanton provides cancer screenings, STD screenings, etc. In other words, when their services even approach what PP does, instead of a mere 3%. Until then, they'll never achieve their goal of replacing Planned Parenthood.

PS, does the PP next door even offer abortion services? Most PP clinics actually don't. Maybe it does, but it will would be funny if located next to an "abortion provider" that doesn't even offer the service.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

In other words, when their services even approach what PP does

You'll donate your money? Doesn't seem likely: Like most liberals, you only demand others give their money… For some reason, you think that without government coercion every public good will go unfunded, that all such organizations will cease to provide services. But that's because you're a modern liberal — irresponsible and profligate.
You of course donate to PP, Sang? (Not everybody does; or can… They're primarily a political organization. But yuu knew that, right? By all means, spin this as much as you can. But accept reality, and admit undeniable truth; else you seem more a fool than ever.)

you have to understand something very important, the GOP encourages blaming. They state that taking responsibility is not always an appropriate action.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Let us know when Stanton provides cancer screenings, STD screenings, etc. In other words, when their services even approach what PP does, instead of a mere 3%. Until then, they'll never achieve their goal of replacing Planned Parenthood.

Why so defensive 'Coon?

Woman benefit from having choices.

Right?

Replacing Planned Parenthood you say --- yes, via services Stanton Healthcare provides as an alternative to Planned Parenthood.

Services Stanton Healthcare Provides

Early Detection Pregnancy Testing
Pregnancy Verification (including how far along you are)
Limited U/S Exams
Options Counseling
Post Abortion Exams and Support
Sexual Integrity Program
Client Advocacy
Massage Therapy
Child Birth Education Classes
Maternity & Baby Supplies
Practical Assistance
Referrals for: OB/GYN care, STD Testing, Housing, Legal Advice, and Adoption

Standards of Excellence for Stanton Healthcare Services

Stanton Healthcare Clients are served regardless of age, race, income, nationality, religious affiliation, disability or other circumstances.
Stanton Healthcare Clients are treated with respect, dignity and compassion.
Stanton Healthcare Clients receive medically accurate, non-biased information about options in a confidential and professional setting.
Stanton Healthcare operates in accordance with all applicable laws.
Stanton Healthcare does not perform abortions.
Stanton Healthcare ensures that all staff and volunteers of the center receive proper training to uphold these standards.

Planned Parenthood need not stop providing the other services it provides.

Do you think that women should have greater CHOICE?

Why, or why not?

Would you mind seeing these services offered alongside each Planned Parenthood Clinic.

Why, or why not?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Why so defensive 'Coon

Who's being defensive? Cool, they provide that list of services. But if that's all they do, they need to step it up and provide comprehensive women's healthcare if they really mean to replace PP.

What seems to be happening already is that you're attempting to assign a position to me, that I should automatically be opposed to Stanton just because I support Planned Parenthood. That's simply not the case. Pro-choice cuts both ways and is not pro-abortion. It means that a woman can make her choice based on her beliefs and her conscience and it's not for the state to make it for her.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Replacing Planned Parenthood you say --- yes, via services Stanton Healthcare provides as an alternative to Planned Parenthood.............Planned Parenthood need not stop providing the other services it provides.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Cool, they provide that list of services. But if that's all they do, they need to step it up and provide comprehensive women's healthcare if they really mean to replace PP.

Let the market decide.

Whoever markets their services better, provides superior services, & gains a larger share of patrons, will eventually be the lead provider of those services.

I wonder if Stanton Healthcare, as it becomes more expansive & successful in providing their core services, if they will compete for the same Government dollars that Planned Parenthood gets today?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Let the market decide.

See? We finally agree.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I wonder if Stanton Healthcare, as it becomes more expansive & successful in providing their core services, if they will compete for the same Government dollars that Planned Parenthood gets today?

Possibly. The idea is have women's healthcare available at low cost. That agenda is why people rushed to PP's defense in various incidents, including Komen's attempted defunding PP and GOP trying to defund PP in Wisconsin and Ohio. The more simple-minded of your lot think this fight is about Pro-Choice and Anti-abortion (not Pro-Life was long as the keep up the financial and rhetorical attacks against PP.) The real fight is for women's health and lives. Yes, lives with cancer screenings. So, if Stanton decides to offer the services of PP, except abortion, and get government grants, so be it. In fact, that would be a positive step, instead irrationally hating on PP.

Now it would be helpful if they didn't just locate next door to PP clinics, though if they can implement those services. They should be sure to branch out to markets that PP doesn't have cover as well.

Well, as I see it, if they can eventually eliminate the vast need for the majority of Abortion Referrals, with valid alternatives, they would have succeeded.

Hell, every single life saved is a success in & of itself, the second & on are bonuses.

The other services are all worth while too, & who ever provides the best overall will corner the market.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The other services are all worth while too

Slight correction. They're far more worthwhile. That's why I don't understand the GOP. Did you know the House just passed a bill to extend the low interest rates on student loans, while at the same time reducing funding for women's healthcare services? The Republicans say there's no war on women, but lately it doesn't seem like a week goes by without them doing something to reduce the quality and funding of women's healthcare services that have nothing to with abortion and everything to do with being "pro-life" in the truest sense of the word.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Did you know the House just passed a bill to extend the low interest rates on student loans, while at the same time reducing funding for women's healthcare services?

Note (to anyone who'd pay attention): The funds come from Obamacare programs… Aren't those up for grabs?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

.....women's healthcare services that have nothing to with abortion....

Hmmmmmmm.

Do you mean those FREE Contraceptives?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Do you mean those FREE Contraceptives?

Just when I thought you managed to grow a brain :sigh: Oh yeah, "contraception"pills that relieve menstrual symptoms and save women's ovaries, etc would be "free" in the same way that Viagra is, paid out of her insurance premiums.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

.....women's healthcare services that have nothing to with abortion....

Hmmmmmmm.

Do you mean those FREE Contraceptives?

the technical term is Pro-Stupid.

Senator Angela Giron, (D-Pueblo) said it best.

Originally posted by Sentor Giron:

We are suffering from a statewide and national campaign to make one set of religious beliefs the law for everyone. I for one am disturbed that religious freedom has become some cheap, political catchphrase and a divisive political tool to deny women basic health care.

One could look at the Colorado Senate Memorial 3…
And the article in which Sang's quote originally appeared, which includes

Aside from Neville, only Republican women spoke in favor of the state resolution. One of its sponsors, Sen. Ellen Roberts, R-Durango, took the lead.

“I rise in support of Senate Memorial 3 because of my deep and abiding respect for religious liberty,” Roberts said.

Emotions ran high at times, and disputes simmered on the fringes of the Senate floor, where civility had prevailed even during the past week’s highly charged debates on same-sex civil unions and discount tuition for illegal immigrants.

“Until today, we did not have the kind of rancor and personalized attacks that we feel with the theater going on here,” Roberts said. “I understand."

Each side of the debate lashed out at the other for politicizing the liberties they hold dearly.

“I reject the way this issue has been twisted,” Roberts said. “I believe it is for partisan reasons. I believe it is a red herring.”

Giron countered: “We are suffering from a statewide and national campaign to make one set of religious beliefs the law for everyone. I for one am disturbed that religious freedom has become some cheap, political catchphrase and a divisive political tool to deny women basic health care. It is disturbing that religious freedom has been twisted to provide cover for those who would discriminate against those with whom they disagree.”

Giron lashed out emotionally at the Catholic Church — her own lifelong faith — in the context of the side it has picked in the political tug-of-war pitting religious freedom against women’s reproductive rights.

“I am deeply impacted as a Catholic because I know that an all-male hierarchy is leveraging their power in this attack,” she said.
(source)

Hyperbole, anyone?
Of course, there's this

With less than two weeks of work remaining in the legislative session, the debate of Senate Memorial 3 — essentially a symbolic gesture that supplied senators’ bases on the left and the right a heap of red meat — devoured a full morning of the Senate’s calendar.

The memorial was defeated on a 20-15 party-line vote, with Democrats against it and Republicans in favor.

Same old same old…

Eh eh, the forum and the againstum...

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Eh eh, the forum and the againstum...

I can see how you can think that, but these are real issues effecting many people's lives. In Texas, the GOP is trying to defund Planned Parenthood clinics that do not perform abortion are legally and financially separate from those that do, in the name of stopping abortion and being "pro-life". So now 130,000 women in that state will lose access to cancer screenings, etc.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

I can see how you can think that, but these are real issues effecting many people's lives.

No, you can't see, that was posted by OakdaleFTL and I just found it funny because it doesn't work at any other language.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

So now 130,000 women in that state will lose access to cancer screenings, etc.

Strange place where women prevents cancer issues at parenthood "clinics". Get yourself a decent health system at first place instead justifying free abortion with pretense health reasons.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

No, you can't see, that was posted by OakdaleFTL and I just found it funny because it doesn't work at any other language.

You're right, because I still have him blocked.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Strange place where women prevents cancer issues at parenthood "clinics". Get yourself a decent health system at first place instead justifying free abortion with pretense health reasons.

A couple things. The abortions aren't free. They cost around $400. Preventing cancer is one of the main things PP does. Here's a chart to help explain it.



As you can see, that PP is abortion mill is GOP lie and caricature. In addition to the cancer screenings, PP PREVENTS abortion. Those abortions that PP performs at a minority of its clinics likely would have been performed elsewhere. That the GOP choose to clamp down so hard on PP is a sign of willful ignorance, since it literally takes 5 seconds to disprove everything that they say about the most reputable women's healthcare provider in the US. I can excuse you, not being an American, for not understanding this. On the other hand, the GOP has no excuse for playing politics for with people's health.

Yes, we do need to get ourselves a decent healthcare system. The GOP won't even tolerate "Obamacare" much less and NHS style system. Under an NHS, the government could take over PP. Federal funds cannot be used for abortion; problem solved. But the GOP won't have that. If the GOP was really so concerned about preventing abortion and saving lives, we would have this, However, we don't because they're a party of liars and hypocrites, not to mention bigots. Now before people get defensive, individual GOP voters might not be bigots, but the party itself has been coming out with one bigotted policy after another.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

As you can see, that PP is abortion mill is GOP lie and caricature.

Caricature is considering 120.000 beings killed each year as nothing, considering 3% of 4 million born per year.

I never said it was nothing. I said abortion is 3% of the services PP provides. Planned Parenthood saves more lives and prevents more abortions than all the "pro-life" groups combined. Trying to defund PP does nothing to prevent abortion (as I said, Federal money can't be used for abortion anyway. The money the states give PP comes mostly from the Federal government, something like 90%), but does everything to attempt to weaken the life saving services PP offers.

Let's say the GOP succeeds and PP is forced to shutter. An abortion mill can simply open in its place and probably do the procedure at less cost the PP because it wouldn't have to offer the range of services Planned Parenthood does. Meanwhile, the life saving services PP offers will be gone. Most of the woman that go to PP for cancer screenings, etc will not be able to simply go somewhere because of the cost. This crusade against PP the GOP is on is another symptom of them not thinking things through, instead they go for the short-term political gain of energizing their base (who especially don't think things through, instead engage in simian "Planned Parenthood Bad" "thinking" .)

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

As you can see, that PP is abortion mill is GOP lie and caricature.

Caricature is considering 120.000 beings killed each year as nothing, considering 3% of 4 million born per year.

If Planned Parenthood was a concerned women's health care organization, & abortion wasn't their forte, why would they jeopardize 97% of all the good & wholesome care services that they supposedly provide ('Coon's numbers) for that mere 3%?

Why, because that is their sole agenda.

To hold themselves up as a sacrificial lamb to the public, that the "Big Bad" GOP is hurting poor, downtrodden, defenseless women, taking the food out of the mouths of their sickly children, depriving the elderly of life saving services...yadda,,,,yadda,,,yadda ad nauseum so NOW, & other organized feminist gangsters can run roughshod over the American people's tax monies to further their 'Agenda's of the Womb".

Abortion is BIG BUSINESS, & N.O.W., along with Planned Parenthood, are both knee deep in the blood of the innocents.

It's all about the money!

It's all about the money, & it has nothing whatsoever to do with "women's choice", or "women's rights", or "women's health", or any other of the Left's phoney red herring issues about the GOP's "War against Women".

It's all about money & votes. They make the money, & deliver votes to the dEMOCRAT Party---as they trample over the dead bodies of the innocents to do it.......Period

That's the bottom line----pure & simple.

They will lie, try to sell it any way possible, & tear at the heartstrings of America in any way they can, whatever it takes to sell their operations of death, rather than give a single life pass to just one (1) of those miniscule 3% they tell us to ignore-----let just one baby live.

It's all about blood MONEY (Big Business of Death), & dEMOCRAT votes, so don't dare let them hoodwink you & try to tell you otherwise.

Jesus, guy, all the Kool-Aid can't be good for you.

The GOP complains about the charge "War on Women." If you don't like that term than don't do the following:

The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act contained language that would not qualify statuary rape (sex with children) as rape. Therefore pregnancies resulting from that sick type of "encounter" could not be aborted.

Oh, but that's the beginning....

Let's not forget the infamous required trans-vaginal ultrasounds. You know the one, where the doctor has to actually penetrate a women's vagina with the ultrasound device.

Then there was the fierce opposition to the renewal of the Violence Against Women act by "conservatives." The provided for violence prevention programs and battered women's shelters. Mitch McConnell decided to be stupid as hell enough to call it a distraction from a small business bill, like the asswipe that he is.

Of course, there's the repeated efforts to defund Planned Parenthood and slurs against it (see SF's post above)

All of that was since 2011. Do people like SF seriously not understand the impression that one bill after another specifically targeting women's healthcare and safety creates?

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Do people like SF seriously not understand the impression that one bill after another specifically targeting women's healthcare and safety creates?

I couldn't give a rats ass about impressions, which seems to consume you. If it saves just one innocent baby it's all worth it.

You can try to hide behind the facade of women's health, safety, sanity, etc..etc...but you couldn't care less about that at all...All you care about is your dEMOCRAT, Leftist, Pro-Death Agendas, & who & how you get there means squat, so drop the act & your phony crusade for the betterment of women.

Frankly, I'm not buying it anymore. Standing against abortion on demand is NOT the same thing as being against healthcare for women, except in the eyes of certain characters who we won't name, will we. To them, any time you say anything against their cherished idols, you're attacking not only abortion in this case, but every right women have gained since 1808 or thereabouts. To hear Sang tell it, those of us on the Right want all women to be barefoot and pregnant, in the kitchen making our sandwiches. And to die early because of lack of cancer screenings to boot.

Sorry, but the histrionics are wearing a little thin.

The bottom line:

Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the U.S. In 2009 {Have they stopped? Don't think so...}, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions, from which it derives about $164,154,000, or 15% of its annual revenue.
(source: Wiki)

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Belfrager:

No, you can't see, that was posted by OakdaleFTL and I just found it funny because it doesn't work at any other language.

You're right, because I still have him blocked.

(Sang doesn't like criticism... And he responds to it by hissy fits and "the silent treatment".)

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Frankly, I'm not buying it anymore. Standing against abortion on demand is NOT the same thing as being against healthcare for women, except in the eyes of certain characters who we won't name, will we. To them, any time you say anything against their cherished idols, you're attacking not only abortion in this case, but every right women have gained since 1808 or thereabouts. To hear Sang tell it, those of us on the Right want all women to be barefoot and pregnant, in the kitchen making our sandwiches. And to die early because of lack of cancer screenings to boot.

Sorry, but the histrionics are wearing a little thin.

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

The bottom line:

Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the U.S. In 2009 {Have they stopped? Don't think so...}, Planned Parenthood performed 332,278 abortions, from which it derives about $164,154,000, or 15% of its annual revenue.
(source: Wiki)

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Belfrager:

No, you can't see, that was posted by OakdaleFTL and I just found it funny because it doesn't work at any other language.

You're right, because I still have him blocked.

(Sang doesn't like criticism... And he responds to it by hissy fits and "the silent treatment".

A1 100% right there on both counts guys!!

In a nutshell:

Planned Parenthood has an entire website devoted to sexualizing America's youth while happily lifting the restraints of God, parents, or marriage. They tout it as being "values-free". In reality, it simply espouses those values which will help ensure that abortion remains an extremely lucrative business.

Follow the money........

You've convinced me.
Bomb them all.

Originally posted by tt92:

...Bomb them all.

Not funny, but while I respect your deep seeded, innermost feelings to a degree, I don't condone that sort of violence no matter your justifications.

Oh, & please don't look to me for bail bond when you--or someone does---your bidding on your behalf.

Originally posted by tt92:

You've convinced me.
Bomb them all.

Being against abortion DOES NOT mean being for bombing of clinics. More histrionics. Not buying the BS

Follow the money..................

People & organizations who defend the morality of abortion the most vehemently are generally the very same ones who rake in huge profits from it's continued availability. This sets up a significant conflict of interest & should immediately call into question any claims they might make about their desire to reduce the number of abortions.
When Planned Parenthood argues that they're working hard to reduce the frequency of abortion, the fact remains that their financial livelihood is built on abortion.
Planned Parenthood, then, is just like the big tobacco companies. Does anyone really believe that tobacco companies want people to stop smoking? Does anyone really believe that Planned Parenthood wants people to stop having abortions?

Follow the money...............

Originally posted by tt92:

You've convinced me.
Bomb them all.

We know tt92 jests. Noone in their right mind would bomb a clinic; any clinic… But Sang and his ilk just read (as best they can) the "talking points" and promulgate the party line:
"Nothin' says lovin' like snuffin' in the oven!"

Has there been any news about the "incidents" that prompted this thread? (I mean, beyond Sang reading HuffPo, MoJo, and ThunkProgress — and re-posting their thoughts?) Clinics "bombed"? Abortion doctors assaulted or murdered? Elected representatives attempting to de-fund —hey, ya mean the gubbmint's gotta pay 'em?— Planned Parenthood? (Are there not enough liberal philanthropists to even pay for abortions? Talk about cheap!)

One wonders, does Planned Parenthood operate in China?

Sang, I won't block you. But some of your opinions really do disgust me. If you could express them coherently enough to make me believe you understood and truly meant them, you would disgust me. Of course, you can't. So, I'm just — puzzled…

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

If Planned Parenthood was a concerned women's health care organization, & abortion wasn't their forte, why would they jeopardize 97% of all the good & wholesome care services that they supposedly provide ('Coon's numbers) for that mere 3%? Why, because that is their sole agenda.

That doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

People & organizations who defend the morality of abortion the most vehemently are generally the very same ones who rake in huge profits from it's continued availability.

That's a terrible use of a decent principle. For example, I, and most of the people in the Western world who express an opinion on such things, including those in the unfortunate position of having to make use of PP's services, aren't making one tiny cent out of it.

Are you suggesting that we're all paid shills, creating pregnancies just to feed the PP abortion-mill? Then you're one sick, sick puppy.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Frankly, I'm not buying it anymore. Standing against abortion on demand is NOT the same thing as being against healthcare for women, except in the eyes of certain characters who we won't name, will we. To them, any time you say anything against their cherished idols, you're attacking not only abortion in this case, but every right women have gained since 1808 or thereabouts. To hear Sang tell it, those of us on the Right want all women to be barefoot and pregnant, in the kitchen making our sandwiches. And to die early because of lack of cancer screenings to boot.

Sorry, but the histrionics are wearing a little thin.

So, you respond to histrionics with more histrionics? Bad call.

Standing against abortion is standing against one aspect of healthcare (including psychological health) of women. A major one. No question there. It's a hell of a stretch to extend that to believing that you're under attack for wanting all women to die.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

The GOP complains about the charge "War on Women." If you don't like that term than don't do the following:

The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act contained language that would not qualify statuary rape (sex with children) as rape. Therefore pregnancies resulting from that sick type of "encounter" could not be aborted.

your forgetting the GOP is focus on the family centered. They are oriented by the way of "GOD", if your allowing ways "GOD" does not approve, you will be dealt with, and by dealt with we'll most likely kill you.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

If Planned Parenthood was a concerned women's health care organization, & abortion wasn't their forte, why would they jeopardize 97% of all the good & wholesome care services that they supposedly provide ('Coon's numbers) for that mere 3%? Why, because that is their sole agenda.

That doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

People & organizations who defend the morality of abortion the most vehemently are generally the very same ones who rake in huge profits from it's continued availability.

That's a terrible use of a decent principle. For example, I, and most of the people in the Western world who express an opinion on such things, including those in the unfortunate position of having to make use of PP's services, aren't making one tiny cent out of it.

Are you suggesting that we're all paid shills, creating pregnancies just to feed the PP abortion-mill? Then you're one sick, sick puppy.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Frankly, I'm not buying it anymore. Standing against abortion on demand is NOT the same thing as being against healthcare for women, except in the eyes of certain characters who we won't name, will we. To them, any time you say anything against their cherished idols, you're attacking not only abortion in this case, but every right women have gained since 1808 or thereabouts. To hear Sang tell it, those of us on the Right want all women to be barefoot and pregnant, in the kitchen making our sandwiches. And to die early because of lack of cancer screenings to boot.

Sorry, but the histrionics are wearing a little thin.

So, you respond to histrionics with more histrionics? Bad call.

Standing against abortion is standing against one aspect of healthcare (including psychological health) of women. A major one. No question there. It's a hell of a stretch to extend that to believing that you're under attack for wanting all women to die.

That's correct. I think the anti-abortion people simply don't understand the effect of trying to drive PP out of business.

Originally posted by Jesus:

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do...

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Standing against abortion is standing against one aspect of healthcare (including psychological health) of women. A major one. No question there.

Standing against euthanasia is similarly "bad," by your reasoning, saucepn… Where you lose the thread on abortion is that there are indeed questions there.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

I think the anti-abortion people simply don't understand the effect of trying to drive PP out of business.

Surely you jest.....Talk about simple....I would think that one would have to be quite simple & naive to believe that if Planned Parenthood was forced out of existence that no other organizations, or service groups, would immediately stand up to fill the void that Planned Parenthood once resided in.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

I think the anti-abortion people simply don't understand the effect of trying to drive PP out of business.

Surely you jest.....Talk about simple....I would think that one would have to be quite simple & naive to believe that if Planned Parenthood was forced out of existence that no other organizations, or service groups, would immediately stand up to fill the void that Planned Parenthood once resided in.

That sound about as naive as you stating he was naive for stating that no one would not replace a specific one business.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Surely you jest.....Talk about simple....I would think that one would have to be quite simple & naive to believe that if Planned Parenthood was forced out of existence that no other organizations, or service groups, would immediately stand up to fill the void that Planned Parenthood once resided in.

There isn't. The state of Texas tried to prove their was, but failed - as the judge stated. You stupidly said "follow the money" when talking about a non-profit. There is no fucking money in helping women that otherwise would not able to just go to an OB/GYN.

Why are illiterates so often foul-mouthed ignoramuses? (Would someone explain to Sang how much money there can be in non-profits? The U.N. is fine example...)