Network performance

Network performance

Firstly I ran into very weird thing - I tried the speedtest.net and Opera gave me absolutely different results than other browsers

Opera Next:


Opera 11.62


but others gave results like this


Same problem was apparent on Youtube, where streaming speed of HD videos have similar kind of difference. I thought, that this might have something to do with Flash, but... it doesn't.

I tried plain and simple file download from a server and result was about the same - just watch yourselves. Difference in speed is more than double.

http://imgur.com/a/mLgyk#0 (Opera Next 12.00.1387, Chromium 18, Firefox 12, Opera 11.62.1347)

System is Ubuntu 12.04 (3.2.0-24-generic #38-Ubuntu SMP Tue May 1 16:18:50 UTC 2012 x86_64)

Is there any way for user to cure this?
P.S. This seems to be only Linux-related, because Opera on Mac and Windows does not have this problem...

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I have the same issue. My system is Windows 7 32

Any ideas?

Results not quite as poor here but noticeable: Opera achieving about 80 % of possible throughput.

I can confirm your results as mine are basically the same, but only for the latest Opera Next build(1417) as 11.64 seems to be unaffected. Opera 11.64, the Chrome Canary build, the latest Maxthon beta, the latest Firefox Nightly(x86_64) and IE9 are all generally around 4 times faster than the latest Opera Next build(1417) in that test. Windows 7 HP SP1 x64

How fast is your internet connection?

I have a suspicion, that if connection is about 20 Mbit/s or less, then the results for all these browsers would be about the same...

Maybe it is "Opera - browser of choice for slow internet connections"???

Opera has Turbo for making slow connections "faster" and obviously somehow makes fast connections slower?

Opera Next 12.00 1417 x64

Opera 11.64

Latest Firefox Nightly x64 build

Latest Chrome Canary build

Internet Explorer 9

Latest Maxthon Beta build

Originally posted by apriorimeister:

I can confirm your results as mine are basically the same, but only for the latest Opera Next build(1417) as 11.64 seems to be unaffected. Opera 11.64, the Chrome Canary build, the latest Maxthon beta, the latest Firefox Nightly(x86_64) and IE9 are all generally around 4 times faster than the latest Opera Next build(1417) in that test. Windows 7 HP SP1 x64

Who knows... it can be possible, that 11.64 behaves better on Windows than on Linux.

It could be that for some reason 32-bit builds are faster (of course 11.64 Windows had no 64-bit build) ...

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

It could be that for some reason 32-bit builds are faster (of course 11.64 Windows had no 64-bit build) ...

I have just tested the most recent Opera Next build(1424) and have noticed no significant difference in the results between the 32 and 64 bit versions.

My configuration: Opera build 1424, 32-bit, Windows 7 and I can confirm this lack of speed compared with Chrome, IE, Firefox...

It remains to be seen, if there will be any change to this any time soon, because current RELEASE version of Opera 12 can manage to achieve just barely 20 Mbit/s...

I'm using the official 12.0 release (build 1467) and the speedtest.net shows very poor download and latency results in comparison to both IE9 and the former opera v11.xy. The same server was used as test target obviously. The diffs are quite significant - 7mbs and 24ms latency via opera, vs. 24mbs and 16ms latency via IE9.

What's going on? I have to roll back to 11.67 until this gets fixed. Tried also the Opera Next 12.01, and the issue is still there.
Now, where I can get the latest 11.xy stable?

Thank you.

I'm glad that I found this thread as I've been troubled by slow speeds for a while now. I noticed earlier today downloads were faster using Firefox and rekonq (KDE). I've just downgraded Opera from 12.00 to 11.64 and I have seen a noticeable improvement in download speeds.

Previous releases can be found at http://www.opera.com/browser/download/?custom=yes.

Yes, I did the same - was able to find the former 11.64 and downgraded without problems. The speeds are now back to the expected figures.

Opera 12.01 Internal 1491 64 bit

Opera 12.01 Internal 1491 32 bit

That's encouraging. Is the 1491 = or < the latest official update version available?
Thank you.

Today's build 1497 "boosted" the speeds from 20 to 30 Mbps. This is getting rediculous, but at least this is the right direction...

The reason for this is OOP plug-in introduced in Opera 12 . Pages without plug-ins should work as fast as in other browsers .

What do you mean by "OOP plug-in"? Is it a plug-in host/manager module, which any plugin-enabled web page will go through? And is that the module which is now hosted as a separate .exe process? If that's the case then well, it should be coded as efficiently as possible - nowadays almost all the pages have some sort of plugin in it (as much as I hate that especially Flash). Not that OOP is intrinsically bad as a programming model :-)

By OOP I mean Out Of Process plug-in (Opera_plugin_wrapper.exe) .
I just explained the reason for significant slowdown in the test . I'm not saying this acceptable situation . Firefox does have the same thing now as well and apparently It works OK. Unfortunately I can't test this as my Internet connection is far from saturating Opera's plugin Inter-process communication .

Heh, the pesky TLAs :-)
I thought you meant by OOP = Object-Oriented Programming - that may also introduce performance bottlenecks if not used wisely ...

Ok, also Chrome has the out of process capabilities - even for normal pages. And when I tested it it didn't show any slowdowns. But the only reasons preventing me from switching is the missing damn multi-row tabbing feature.

Btw, I liked the memory management feature from Chrome so much - it looked a bit like an OS of its own, with concepts like task manager etc...When will we see that with Opera as well? It would be a nice fit in Opera, in a grand scheme of things, because the reason #1 for me personally sticking with Opera is light use of resources (ram, cpu) - feature which allows me to open tens of tabs at once (I have my own style of browsing web sites). And such feature would help you in identifying with high precision what page is eating up resources.
But recently, Opera is starting maybe to follow the herd and get bloated?

Thank you.

Should have been OOPP really ... but note that igor's in the wrong forum. Linux has had some sort of plugin wrapper for years - it didn't start with Opera 12 - and hasn't had that many issues with it. (Plugin handling in Linux has always been different from in Windows.)

I just tried the new SPDY build from Opera Labs on that site and got 5.83 Mbps down, 0.85 Mbps up. Running the same test on Chromium 18 was slower at 5.46 down, though it was 0.93 up. Opera 12.0 ... hmm, in the middle between the to, 5.60 down and 0.86 up. And yes, that's on Linux.

Originally posted by igor2209:

The reason for this is OOP plug-in introduced in Opera 12 . Pages without plug-ins should work as fast as in other browsers .

If you have read the original post, then you obviously might noticed, that the very same problem also persists on pages WITHOUT ANY PLUGINS!

Even plain and simple file downloads are slower.

Here you can see for yourself!

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Should have been OOPP really ... but note that igor's in the wrong forum. Linux has had some sort of plugin wrapper for years - it didn't start with Opera 12 - and hasn't had that many issues with it. (Plugin handling in Linux has always been different from in Windows.)

I just tried the new SPDY build from Opera Labs on that site and got 5.83 Mbps down, 0.85 Mbps up. Running the same test on Chromium 18 was slower at 5.46 down, though it was 0.93 up. Opera 12.0 ... hmm, in the middle between the to, 5.60 down and 0.86 up. And yes, that's on Linux.

SPDY build had no difference from other builds and I am quite sure, that this problem can only be observed on connections (significantly) faster than 20-30 Mbps - users with slower connections might be totally fine.

Opera 12.50 Internal 1497 64 bit

I've retested builds 1491 and 1495(SPDY) and the results seem to be generally the same as in this build, which is odd considering that the results of the tests I've posted two days ago reached up to 50Mb/s, and now they're about 20Mb/s lower. To see if perhaps there was a slowdown with my connection I've also retested IE9, however, it appears that there wasn't one, as it reached speeds nearing 100Mb/s.

I have been testing these last builds on Mac and Windows and both are consistently giving results over 80-90 Mb/s - it is "fascinating" what makes Linux version so crappy. Maybe there are real "reasons", why source code has to be kept closed...

Now I tried out TCP/IP analyzer on speedguide.net and some of results are different with Opera - all other browsers (Firefox 14, Chromium 18, Konqueror and Epiphany) are giving one result and Opera (both 11.64 and 12.01) are giving another.

http://files.myopera.com/tim71/files/43.png


Especially this difference in scaling makes me think...

I'm using the latest opera next build 12.50 b 1546 32 bits with 01 Mbit/s connection... and all what I can say is :" I don't have that particular problem "

here's what I get using speedtest.net:

opera next 12.50:


Firefox 15 Beta:


IE 10 RTM:


not to mention, I use one of the worst ISP in the world.


Edit: another one using Opera Next:

Of course you do not have this problem, because it does not appear on such slow connections.

Opera on Linux starts to act as bottleneck on bandwidths significantly over 20 Mbps.

Absolute offtopic: I would rather be in Alger or Tunesia right now instead of this (soon again to be) cold and dark northern land here - inspite of crappy internet Some distant island on Pacific would possibly be another option...

A long time ago, Opera was also slower on SSL/TLS connections:

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=276203

opera 11.64


opera 12.1


IE 10


also tested some FTP download and opera 12.1 goes to 1,5MB/s and IE goes to 8MB/s

is this feature or a bug to cap download to 20mbps?

my connection is 100/5

DSK-363270

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2012/08/21/top3

There you go - everybody can "file" this problem over there too. Who knows - MAYBE somebody notices it and we will get some kind of solution to this...

Are we seeing something new here?



At least today's build 1577 is offering substantial increase in the speed. Ironically it cannot be tested with speedtest.net as flash is unusable in this build on Ubuntu x64.

Yep works now. Got max speeds in speedtest.net now. (windows version)

AFAIK this thing was not affecting Windows builds. After all - this is Linux/BSD section of the forum

Now there is this thing mentioned with build 1577

"CORE-45317 [*nix] Network latency reduces download speed on Linux"

and there is substantial improvement, but this is still far from what it should be - it is about doubled from what it was, but it is still about half of the maximum speed - using clean profile makes no difference.

Opera Next 12.50.1581



Chromium 23.0.1255.0 (154638)



Firefox 16



P.S. I tried this last snapshot with Macbook Pro and was getting speeds about 70...80 Mb/s on speedtest.net - using Wi-Fi...

Hi guys,

What about the windows-specific side of the same issue? Does anyone know if it got fixed? In my case the slowdown was manifesting even for an expected medium speed range i.e. for a 20-35mbit/s range, the results were dramatically low (about 7mbit).

Now I'm afraid of upgrading to 12.x and I keep my good working 11.y.

Thank you.

Which version of Windows do you have? At least on 7 with 64bit build this does not seem to happen.

P.S. This is not Windows-related subforum here

Win7 x86, Enterprise edition.
(I know I know, it's not a windows-related subforum, but the most of recent activity seems to be coming from this one :-) )

Thanks.

Originally posted by smihaila:

Win7 x86, Enterprise edition.
(I know I know, it's not a windows-related subforum, but the most of recent activity seems to be coming from this one :-) )

Thanks.

Yeah it got fixed for windows too. I had the speed problems on both 32/64bit version but no more.

And tim71 yeah i know this is linux forum but bug was in windows version too and this was active threat.

It's great to hear then that it got solved.
I'll try the latest 12.x release this weekend.

Thank you!

https://aboutmybrowser.com/9c-QsTLM - Opera 12.02, Ubuntu 12.10 amd64


https://aboutmybrowser.com/1WMFtKin - Chrome Beta, Ubuntu 12.10 amd64


Overall, opera connection and respons time is slow than chrome.

If any information needed, tell me.

As of now, Opera 12.10 beta does not exhibit this problem.

Case closed I might say.

Wait, I see I have a problem with the Upload speed .

Using Opera 12.10 x64 build 1618, Firefox Nightly 18 x86 and Internet Explorer 10 x86 RTM.

On all 3 browser I get the same download speed. Around 92 Mb/s.

The problem I have is with upload speed. Dunno how it affects me, but it's a problem nontheless.

On Firefox and IE, it's about 52 Mb/s. On Opera it's stuck at 35 Mb/s (believe me, it's STUCK there. I did many, many reruns, and on different servers. And as you can see, I'm rocking a very good connection). Any ideas?

Originally posted by Acryion:

As of now, Opera 12.10 beta does not exhibit this problem.
Case closed I might say.

I think it got solved indirectly, due to this change log which the 12.01 is mentioning:
"The Windows 32-bit version has been reverted to in-process plugins while stability issues stemming from the out-of-process plugin system are investigated and resolved"

I haven't yet tried any new 12.x version (i.e. the latest stable which is considered 12.02).