USA is a very sick country

USA is a very sick country

Take a look at these. Link to original included.
http://my.opera.com/beiren/blog/2012/05/24/sotilaita-lippuja

Absolutely revolting.

Lol

Well the Communists and Fascists often waxed lyrical about the pride in seeing their flag flying. The trouble is that there are millions like that midget mentality syndrome. They actually believe all that twaddle about freedom, rights and so on when the history has been one of disabling countries America doesn't like or finding an excuse to bomb or invade them then follow that up by establishing yet another base then commercial outposts. Insaide you dare to exercise your right of opinion and you are immediately a dangerous 2pinko" or worse! Something whent very wrong as the country grew up and you can't but help feel sorry for the sensible and more astute.I dare say they make intellegent Americans wince and sigh but as I say, with so many of them all so gung-ho and look as daft as a brush to the rest of the world does colour the outsider's view. Bring back John Wayne they miss a hero.......

Hey beiren, you know what else is revolting?
The fact that Germany is the teat of welfare for the EU. You do realize that your German/French invention is about to go to shite very soon right?
I never have understood why your lot wanted to join the EU. Without question, Germany is the strongest economy in the EU. It's a very rich nation with good people, for the most part. Yet, y'all just send out hundred of Euros to the parasites in Greece, Portugal and Italy. *smh*

^That was my nice response. Here is my less nice response.

While the US is by no means perfect, and has numerous flaws, I'm proud that when people think of the USA, the first thought to pop into their minds is NOT this monster and the devastation that he caused.











Now, run along. You need to go out and make a lot of money so that 35% (before taxes) of it can go to the parasites that your country is propping up.

Originally posted by 53north:

Nothing really sick there. It's a very Big country - there's nothing better than having driven a dozen miles past wild countryside to come across a store or truckstop with the US Flag flying.
At least it still means just Freedom, and hasn't got the Agenda tied to it that the hammer & sickle or swastika flags had.. .

Are you serious?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

While the US is by no means perfect, and has numerous flaws, I'm proud that when people think of the USA, the first thought to pop into their minds is NOT this monster and the devastation that he caused.

Yes your propaganda & imago campaigning is very effective indeed. USA also tends to defame, coup, bomb, invade & occupy countries which do not agree with it without hesitation - provided they are small and helpless enough. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hey beiren, you know what else is revolting?
The fact that Germany ...

Hey thedawgfan, Finland isn't part of Germany. At least not yet

Originally posted by beiren:

Take a look at these. Link to original included.
http://my.opera.com/beiren/blog/2012/05/24/sotilaita-lippuja

Absolutely revolting.

And the Finnish/Nazi collaboration? Now, that was really sick!

Just what we need in D&D...a Finnish Rjhowie.

Originally posted by beiren:

Yes your propaganda & imago campaigning is very effective indeed. USA also tends to defame, coup, bomb, invade & occupy countries which do not agree with it without hesitation - provided they are small and helpless enough.

Finland is next.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by beiren:

Take a look at these. Link to original included.
http://my.opera.com/beiren/blog/2012/05/24/sotilaita-lippuja

Absolutely revolting.

And the Finnish/Nazi collaboration? Now, that was really sick!

Just what we need in D&D...a Finnish Rjhowie.

That happened 70 years ago. Those pictures & quotes in my blog are from this year - including the photos showing your military on foreign soil and your people telling how proud it makes them. Your society is sick, jbrothernew37.

I reckon Finland tacitly went along with the Germans as for them being the the lesser of two evils considering their history with Russia. And why are we in the West so scathing. Finland still managed to keep their independence and Mannerheim was a tactician who wasn't that struck on Hitler. And thinking of the West and the sniding at Finland can I remind us all that the Allies were in bed with the damn Communist dictatorship of the Soviet Union which when it came to killing people made Hitler look like a learner? So we need to be a bit more sensible. There we were along with a regime that was killing millions of it's own, fighting the 3rd Reich another similar dictatorship. What happened to the Baltic States after WW2 didn't happen to Finland although the Soviets tried it. The Finns did well and I think Mannerheim deserved his accolade.

At the same time thedawgfan opens a wide door when he says that people don't think of the Austrian demagogue when they think of the USA. What a strange reasoning that is. They of course don't but many think the country is full of hypocritical newsspeak and double standards in the world as well as managing to do what neither Hitler ntr Stalin did. And that wassto control much of the world as the USA does!

Rather Sad.

Originally posted by beiren:

That happened 70 years ago. Those pictures & quotes in my blog are from this year - including the photos showing your military on foreign soil and your people telling how proud it makes them. Your society is sick, jbrothernew37.

My people!?
Just goofy. Every society in the world has malcontents and assholes, even modern day Germany. Condemning an entire society because of a cursory survey of internet asswipes is simply juvenile. You must know better.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And that wassto control much of the world as the USA does!

Please give me the short list of the countries we control and a brief definition of "control". Methinks you hyperventilate.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by beiren:

That happened 70 years ago. Those pictures & quotes in my blog are from this year - including the photos showing your military on foreign soil and your people telling how proud it makes them. Your society is sick, jbrothernew37.

My people!?
Just goofy. Every society in the world has malcontents and assholes, even modern day Germany. Condemning an entire society because of a cursory survey of internet asswipes is simply juvenile. You must know better.

Yes, your people & society, the americans and the society they built & live in. They are sick. Rampant militarism is accepted and even admired. Wars of conquest and destruction, occupations of previously independent nations reduced as puppet-states are shown as signs of merit. I can think of no civilised nation on Earth other than USA where thinking like that is mainstream & accepted. Even if some rare american tells me he doesn't support your endless wars, he sure as day will tell me that he supports & respects the troops. That is like telling you boycott Siemens but buy their freezers. Your soldiers fighting these wars is not forced on gunpoint to do that; they voluenteer and get paid to kill people who never threw the first stone. They deserve no sympathy for their partaking in evil and definitely zero respect.

Originally posted by beiren:

Yes, your people & society, the americans and the society they built & live in. They are sick. Rampant militarism is accepted and even admired. Wars of conquest and destruction, occupations of previously independent nations reduced as puppet-states are shown as signs of merit. I can think of no civilised nation on Earth other than USA where thinking like that is mainstream & accepted. Even if some rare person tells me he doesn't support your endless wars, he sure as day will tell me that he supports & respects the troops. That is like telling you boycott Siemens but buy their freezers. Your soldiers fighting these wars is not forced on gunpoint to do that; they voluenteer and get paid to kill people who never threw the first stone. They deserve no sympathy for their partaking in evil and definitely zero respect.

All this stuff sounds right. But let's be honest: other nations don't do all things above not because they are better than americans, but because they can not afford all these things.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hey beiren, you know what else is revolting?
The fact that Germany is the teat of welfare for the EU. You do realize that your German/French invention is about to go to shite very soon right?
I never have understood why your lot wanted to join the EU. Without question, Germany is the strongest economy in the EU. It's a very rich nation with good people, for the most part. Yet, y'all just send out hundred of Euros to the parasites in Greece, Portugal and Italy. *smh*

^That was my nice response. Here is my less nice response.

While the US is by no means perfect, and has numerous flaws, I'm proud that when people think of the USA, the first thought to pop into their minds is NOT this monster and the devastation that he caused.

It certainly was the first thing that "popped"
into the heads of the global citenzenry while Bush/Cheney were destroying everything they touched.
As of now........those who are paying attention will recognize a more subtle approach to the same tactics during the Obama admin.









Now, run along. You need to go out and make a lot of money so that 35% (before taxes) of it can go to the parasites that your country is propping up.

Every country it must be honestly admitted has it's goofs, political crackers and so on and there are many people of decency and thoroughness in America who I dare say are rather frustrated by the state their nation is in and it's ploys round the world. Sadly however the USA is very specially unique though.

For decades and even today it has and is always rampant on values, freedoms, rights and so on. At the same time it equally contradicts these values firstly by it's own internal history and it's very determined and rampant militarism all over the globe. Small wonder it gets bad news when a country as a political entity contradicts it's own founding ideals and practices something very different. Many around the world would be more relaxed if it did fall a wee bit back into the 30's mode and a degree of maybe not isolationism but keeping it's nose out of the rest of the world's internal matters. Profit and military control are the 2 issues that are bringing the US into disrepute and something much different than labelling all Americans as Lt Calleys or Storming Normans. The mawkish fervour at a uniform or the acceptance of corporate control are fundementals in it's weakness. The other day I caught the end of a brief news item about the Chairman of a Hill Committee who was very annoyed at the secrecy over some overseas commercial matters. The White House had blocked it and Senators were niot very pleased to find however that big companies had been brought into the picture secretly. So much for Obama's baloney about everything being open. He was much the same mode as GW.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Every country it must be honestly admitted has it's goofs, political crackers and so on and there are many people of decency and thoroughness in America who I dare say are rather frustrated by the state their nation is in and it's ploys round the world. Sadly however the USA is very specially unique though.

Others are in agreement.

On Friday, May 25, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak refused to meet with the top US negotiator on Iran in Baghdad Wendy Sherman who had travelled to Tel Aviv to brief Israeli officials about negotiations between Iran and the P5+1--Britain, China, France, Russia, and the United States plus Germany.

So, now Israel is pissed at us. Let'em eat unleavened bread.

Originally posted by beiren:

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by beiren:

That happened 70 years ago. Those pictures & quotes in my blog are from this year - including the photos showing your military on foreign soil and your people telling how proud it makes them. Your society is sick, jbrothernew37.

My people!?
Just goofy. Every society in the world has malcontents and assholes, even modern day Germany. Condemning an entire society because of a cursory survey of internet asswipes is simply juvenile. You must know better.

Yes, your people & society, the americans and the society they built & live in. They are sick. Rampant militarism is accepted and even admired. Wars of conquest and destruction, occupations of previously independent nations reduced as puppet-states are shown as signs of merit. I can think of no civilised nation on Earth other than USA where thinking like that is mainstream & accepted. Even if some rare american tells me he doesn't support your endless wars, he sure as day will tell me that he supports & respects the troops. That is like telling you boycott Siemens but buy their freezers. Your soldiers fighting these wars is not forced on gunpoint to do that; they voluenteer and get paid to kill people who never threw the first stone. They deserve no sympathy for their partaking in evil and definitely zero respect.

.... and neither do you (deserve respect) for that blinkered outburst.

Jaybro had it right enough; I recommend you read his post again.

Originally posted by beiren:

Even if some rare american tells me he doesn't support your endless wars, he sure as day will tell me that he supports & respects the troops.

Absolute bullshit. I don't support or respect American troops. They're too much a part of the problem. Admittedly, I don't know how rare I am, but neither do you. You assume a level of knowledge about the U.S. that is wanting. Can you point me to the polling numbers that you've studied? I didn't think so.

Like you, presumably, I'd like all U.S. troops out of every nook and cranny of Europe and elsewhere. The U.K. found us helpful 70 years ago (you know why), but that's long gone.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by beiren:

Even if some rare american tells me he doesn't support your endless wars, he sure as day will tell me that he supports & respects the troops.

Absolute bullshit. I don't support or respect American troops. They're too much a part of the problem. Admittedly, I don't know how rare I am, but neither do you. You assume a level of knowledge about the U.S. that is wanting. Can you point me to the polling numbers that you've studied? I didn't think so.

Like you, presumably, I'd like all U.S. troops out of every nook and cranny of Europe and elsewhere. The U.K. found us helpful 70 years ago (you know why), but that's long gone.

Yes you are in minority in all fronts. Majority of your countrymen support wars and increasing soldiers occupying foreign soil, think attacking foreign countries is a good thing and overwhelming majority thinks their soldiers are worth supporting. If your people and society wasn't sick like that, the endless warfare the USA does would not be possible.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/115270/Americans-Afghanistan-War-Worth-Fighting.aspx
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/18/fox-news-poll-62-support-action-afghanistan/


"68% of Americans said they expected Obama to increase military strength in Afghanistan, and 43% considered this very important"

Then you have things like this going on http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/House-OKs-Afghan-war-commitments-3567483.php All of those representatives are elected by "you the people" who are hell-bent creating a sick society.

Wanna bet this one will make a comeback?

You're cherry picking.

WASHINGTON — Support for the war in Afghanistan has hit a new low and is on par with support for the Vietnam War in the early 1970s, a bad sign for President Barack Obama as he argues that to end the war responsibly the United States must remain in Afghanistan another two years. Only 27 percent of Americans say they back the war effort, and 66 percent oppose the war, according to an AP-GfK poll released Wednesday.

By ANNE GEARAN 05/09/12 04:52 PM ET

The fact that you went for a date in 2011 tells me something.

Admittedly, though, we've screwed around militarily far too much. It all began when Adolph and his Brown Shirts were running amok in Europe to popular acclaim in Germany,

and it took on a life of its own. If only we'd stayed clear of that one, we'd have purer souls, and Russians and Frenchmen would be speaking with a German accent.
See here...
66% are in opposition. Far too long in coming.

Me? I think that US soldiers are a large part of the problem, so, No, I don't respect them.

Fox news has a problem where reliability is concerned too. It caters to the far right, just the sort who might go in for that Nazi salute we see in the photos beirens is treating us to.

It's been a while since I was in school, and so help me, I don't remember EVER saluting the flag like that. Not in the '60s or '70s, at any rate. If it was done that way, it had to be in the '20s and '30s, because once WW2 got under way that kind of salute would have fallen out of favor rather fast. I can't imagine anybody outside of an Aryan Nation gathering even attempting to bring back that method of saluting.

For the rest: I don't know if the USA is sick, but this thread maybe should see a doctor. It's not looking so good.

@Mjmsprt: That's actually the Bellamy Salute.

We, as a country, saluted the flag like that until FDR had us change it so as not to be confused with the nazi scum.

I think beiren likes to kick the U.S. because he can't afford a cat.

In fairness, Jaybro has been a case of continuity and sense over the military and the feeling that many of us outside is that there is a degree of mawkishness about which doesn't include him. There is no need whatsover for the USA to be wasting millions of debt maintaining an armed presence everywhere and for what highly principled reason? Damn all actually. Just raw arrogance of an imperialist nature when such is usually of a long gone historical bent everywhere else. It is absolutetely beyond reason and comphrension. On a secondary note some of the quality of the same military is in question due to a series of incidents into modern times never mind the past.

The pictures are most certainly of a long time ago when there was a very active National Socialist Party and Bund there. Maybe these pics go back to before WW2 possibly? It was not however very obvious in the electoral system nor did it get anywhere very productive. It was a product of the times and many were disgusted by such misuse of the country and it's emblems. Near similars such as the vile KKK were in 9 figures but today they muster nothing. Some others had such a political fraternity operating in their countries. Indeed some when over-run by the Nazis had parties in Belgium, France, Netherlands, Norway, amongst others that were handy vehicles for the Hitler crowd. Kind of obvious in the States due to it's size but as I point out got nowhere.

It would not take a brain to kniow that I don't have a great rapport with the political system or the world domination aspects of America's military/corporate intrigues but much of that can be seperated from the ordinary man in the street who would never have wanted anything like a Hitler regime. It just wouldn't have happened. We are dealing with a different world and different times and most Americans who come on here would have antipathy towards the kind of propaganda of yesteryear.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

It all began when Adolph and his Brown Shirts were running amok in Europe to popular acclaim in Germany

... which he got rid of really, really fast once they served their purpose as useful idiots.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

You're cherry picking.

WASHINGTON — Support for the war in Afghanistan has hit a new low and is on par with support for the Vietnam War in the early 1970s, a bad sign for President Barack Obama as he argues that to end the war responsibly the United States must remain in Afghanistan another two years. Only 27 percent of Americans say they back the war effort, and 66 percent oppose the war, according to an AP-GfK poll released Wednesday.

By ANNE GEARAN 05/09/12 04:52 PM ET

The fact that you went for a date in 2011 tells me something.

You think way too narrowly if you only take into account one year. For ten years US population has overwhelmingly supported pereprtual wars and occupation. 2012 is a turning point in opinions and that is not because your militaristic society magically became sane. Suddenly happened so dramatic drop in support that it doesn't fit in gaussian curve which represents regular war attrition. Why do yu think that is? What has happened in USA and world around it in past year?
In USA you had republican primaries, in which Ron Paul argumented against the war, interventionism and massive military funding - as the sole candidate! For that he was dismissed largerly in your media. Speaking for peace doesn't fit the current American National Character. It is "unpatriotic" - that's what Ron Paul and OWS got labeled. That is yet another sign your nation is sick, by the way.
Then you had the ridiculous debt-ceiling battle where you almost bancrupted yourselves. That brought your massive military expenses and costs of few wars under scrutinity. I bet knowledge of military funding hogs 52% of your federal budget must have been shock, and that number doesn't even include CIA black-ops nor the extra funds for occupying.
Then you had the Occupy Wall Street. Even if it was suspiciously ignored & mocked in media and filtered in Twitter, Yahoo and Facebook, they got their messages through to some extend - and they had largerly different worldview from current US mainstream, resembling quite a lot of European pacifist social-democracy of late 19th century.
Then the world has rising China situation and I assume even your population has enough common sense to understand that a direct confrontation with China is a total war and trying to "contain" it just leads to new cold war. Well fuck, that's precisely what new US military doctrine seeks to do by moving your naval border to South-China Sea. Good going.
Finally you have casualty problem. I think after 2011 was one of the more bloody years if I recall correctly americans might have started thinking, that if freedom fighters terrorist insurgents still keep on fighting after 10 years, then maybe you didn't actually liberate anyone.


mjmsprt, I'm surprised you didn't know Bellamy salute. It was mandated by US schools and copied by Nazis. Don't they teach history in USA?

Thanks for the clarification. You were right all along.

That picture of the three soliders say much about the nature of many who sign up. No doubt lack of a job can be a great factor and maybe we should consider the intelligence factor. There they are strutting their stuffff looking all gung-ho just when I thought such was becoming history. Don't think I would fancy that kind of mentality coming to my so-called rescue. I suspect that many are not really military materia at all due to their lack of education and influenced by Hollywood instead.

Regrettably, beiren does have something regarding Dr Paul. Such views do not go down well in the corporate controlled media waith all the unustifiable fawning that goes on regarding the military. The real and utter sadness of the bottom picture is a tragic and desperate one. Those young being brained into a propaganda that is false. They do go with all the mind of what they think is to be a great moral crusade. Now amongst those not coming home like that we see on tv ex-servicmen who served in Afghanistan throwing their meals away. They also recount their despair the way Afghans are treated and totally abhor that there is a presence there at all nowThe worse thing is those in the coffins cannot do that. So, so, damn sad.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Those young being brained into a propaganda that is false. They do go with all the mind of what theOy think is to be a great moral crusade.

Sad, yes, but they're in service voluntarily, and that being the case, they're a large part of the problem since they've signed on to do whatever their overlings decide.

For heavier blame, though, we have to go to our politicians, too many of whom are egregious asswipes who follow the dictates of a largely Republican electorate.

Now Obama claims an end to the Afghanistan tragedy in 2014.

Over the next three years, commanders will need the flexibility to judge not only where and when to transfer responsibility but where to reinforce with ISAF forces — to manage inevitable mistakes or to counter the enemy’s gains. These difficult judgments will require a flexible reserve force. This is why the Pentagon needs to retain for some time most, if not all, of the 68,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan after the withdrawals scheduled for this year. Operational judgments need to be based on the fighting, not on an artificial timetable. The White House has not decided on troop numbers after 2012, but the strategy Panetta discussed will need to keep up the force numbers well beyond mid-2013 or else risk failure.

Failure!? Another WTF moment.

This just in: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/us-usa-campaign-romney-idUSBRE84R0PD20120528
"Romney tells vets dangerous world demands powerful military"
"The world is not safe," Romney told veterans on Memorial Day. He was joined by Senator John McCain, in a speech to honor the veterans of America's wars.
The United States now has two paths forward, Romney said. He called one "the pathway to Europe," suggesting Europe had acquiesced to geopolitical threats. "To shrink our military smaller and smaller to pay for our social needs."
The other path, Romney said, is "to commit to preserve America as the strongest military in the world, second to none, with no comparable power anywhere in the world."
"I wish I could tell you that the world is a safe place. It's not," Romney said.
Romney ticked off Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia, among other countries, as threats as he transformed his message from economic warnings of the United States becoming like Europe to a military warning that America was becoming weaker.

Scare tactics, open militarism, extreme jingoism, moralism, war mongering, populism, and doublespeak. By latest polls, almost half of US population approves of him. Clear sign of a sick militaristic society.

It gets even worse:
McCain introduced Romney to the 5,000 people gathered as a "man who I believe is fully qualified to be commander-in-chief."
"He believes in American exceptionalism," McCain said. "He believes the 21st Century will also be an American century."
American exceptionalism is a political philosophy that assigns a unique and unprecedented place to the United States as the leading global proponent and exemplar of liberty, freedom and equality around the world.

This is alarming. Extremely alarming. I thought before reading this that "American exceptionalism" was the way ignorant Americans perceived the world due lack of global and historical perspective. Now it is apparently something that is hailed in election speeches as a positive trait for a president of that country. There have been many leaders who thought their people, society, ideals and land were exceptional, and all of them led their nation to doom. The worst part... I can imagine thousands of people cheering and applauding for McCain's introduction.

No cheers from this man, only groans.

More than 65 years after World War II, U.S. military bases still dot Germany (194 of them) and Japan (108). Almost 60 years after the guns fell silent there, U.S. armed forces are still stationed on the Korean peninsula (at 82 sites). Just a few years ago, there were 505 American bases scattered all across Iraq, a country only about twice the size of Idaho. But as of January 1, 2012, Iraq will be free of American bases.
http://www.washingtonspectator.org/index.php/Victory-In-Iraq/general-david-petraeus-saidtell-me-how-this-ends.html

Fifty-one years ago I worked on one of those bases, now defunct, as a civilian workin for the US Airforce. And we're still there! There's something outrageously wrong with this picture. But S. Korea wants us out. Three cheers for S. Korea.

Originally posted by beiren:

mjmsprt, I'm surprised you didn't know Bellamy salute. It was mandated by US schools and copied by Nazis. Don't they teach history in USA?

I didn't know the Bellamy salute, however I have it that it hasn't been used since we entered the second world war. I have doubts that it will be brought back again, at least not outside an Aryan Nation gathering. There's &*%$# few of us who want to be saluting like Hitler Youth these days, and that salute is tainted now. I was never taught to salute that way, in any case.

Originally posted by beiren:

This is alarming. Extremely alarming.

These are conservative politicians telling a conservative audience of former military members what they want to hear. Sometimes what "conservatives" say is alarming, other times it's sadly amusing. In either case, they don't represent the US.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

While the US is by no means perfect, and has numerous flaws, I'm proud that when people think of the USA, the first thought to pop into their minds is NOT this monster and the devastation that he caused.

Cool. But you shouldn't be proud of the USA if the first thing that pops into an American's head when they think of Germany is that. But props for the early Godwin.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

But props for the early Godwin.

No problem bro.
Someone had to; it was there for the taking.

Had any success outlawing guns worldwide yet?

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Cool. But you shouldn't be proud of the USA if the first thing that pops into an American's head when they think of Germany is that.

Nice try there JSP, but I never said that all Americans think of that monster when they think of Germany.
You are being intellectually dishonest if you state that it doesn't at least pass through a person's mind, even if indirectly. Monster though he was, he had a huge impact on Germany while alive and even in death. After all, we're only 14 years from when Germany was finally re-united.

U.S.A. is a very BIG country.
U.S.A. is a very DIVERSE country.
U.S.A. encompasses bright people, dumb people, ugly people, attractive people, generous people, mean-spirited people, outstanding people and an enormous number of ordinary people.
A bit like the rest of the world.

Not it's not like the rest of the world.

In general the population is rather ignorant of the outside world possibly due to it's size and by a very subtle mainstream media that is a good propaganda machine and I don't just mean the Fox lot. Earlier Jaybro questioned my statement on a list of countries that you control. They are all over the place and you are all intelligent enough to well know that commercially, financially and by military means these are forms of control or intimidation. It leads the Free World in campaigns to isolate those it doesn't like. Name another country that squanders half the world's bill for the military. Name another which has as many military bases around the world. Name another country that is constantly shouting about human rights but leads the Free World in accepting dictatorships that hammer their people when it suits. Name another country that beats the chest on those rights but is constantly eroding them internally.

Lots of countries are diverse but they don't storm across the world doing what it does for the profit motive which is paramount and making the world know it's military are everywhere. Behind every military ploy and excuse for a big war machine and creating wars the money men are always not far behind. Name another country where the machine is controlled by only 1% of the population and moved that way down to that gradually and relentlessly. The West is declining in general and will be replaced by others so hitching to the US coat-tails will bring everyone her ento the same midden heap. Because it is big, it mentally thinks it is automatically big in everything and that hollow trumpet call has resounded on it by the present mess it is in. You squandered earlier decades when the world had a regard for your efforts including WW2 which you were a player in although you would think no-one else was! What a vast sea change now. The so-called war on terror has created more by the sheer belligerence and double standards on human rights and anything associated with it. Your own house is a mess so sort that out and stop interfering with others or going after them if they don't accept your warped interpretation of democracy and freedom rights.

To kill thousands of cytizens in front of the all world TVs and saying that it was a terrorists action, just to make a war to get the middle east petrol and to get the money back from the towers insurance, yes USA is a very sick country, and also for all the rest.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hey beiren, you know what else is revolting?
The fact that Germany is the teat of welfare for the EU. You do realize that your German/French invention is about to go to shite very soon right?
I never have understood why your lot wanted to join the EU. Without question, Germany is the strongest economy in the EU. It's a very rich nation with good people, for the most part. Yet, y'all just send out hundred of Euros to the parasites in Greece, Portugal and Italy. *smh*

^That was my nice response. Here is my less nice response.

While the US is by no means perfect, and has numerous flaws, I'm proud that when people think of the USA, the first thought to pop into their minds is NOT this monster and the devastation that he caused.


Now, run along. You need to go out and make a lot of money so that 35% (before taxes) of it can go to the parasites that your country is propping up.

They are not parasites they are cityzens of the world and if they need help we have to help them.
Hitler would have never get so strong if the USA had never helped him.
And i can tell you that most of the peoples doesn't think about Hitler when they think about Germany, but everyone who think about USA have in his mind all the stupids war and all the peoples that the americans kill everyday and all the devastation that you still making just to get petrol$$$$$$$$.
In europe we don't have as many people dying in our street like you have in your suposed richest country of the world.
You should go in Portugal and Greece to see how nice are those peoples.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Nice try there JSP, but I never said that all Americans think of that monster when they think of Germany. You are being intellectually dishonest if you state that it doesn't at least pass through a person's mind, even if indirectly. Monster though he was, he had a huge impact on Germany while alive and even in death.

Ah, so instead of "people", you admit that it's only you that thinks of Hitler first when you think of Germany? Gotcha!

Sure, Hitler is a part of Germany's history, much like the atomic bomb and the eradication of natives are part of American history. Those aren't the bits that you think of when you think USA, but some of the rest of us do.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

After all, we're only 14 years from when Germany was finally re-united.

22 years, surely?

Originally posted by tt92:

U.S.A. is a very BIG country.
U.S.A. is a very DIVERSE country.
U.S.A. encompasses bright people, dumb people, ugly people, attractive people, generous people, mean-spirited people, outstanding people and an enormous number of ordinary people.
A bit like the rest of the world.

Canada is LARGER country.
Canada is a very DIVERSE country.
Canada encompasses bright people, dumb people, ugly people, attractive people, generous people, mean-spirited people, outstanding people and an enormous number of ordinary people.
A bit like the rest of the world.
Like rest of the world, it doesn't wage offensive wars while enjoying majority support, either.

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Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

After all, we're only 14 years from when Germany was finally re-united.

22 years, surely?

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It will be 22 years on October 3rd 2012
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Hmm, I can only guess the 14 years come from someone confusing 1998 and 1989 but even then - the borders were opened in 1989, the country was unified in 1990.

Originally posted by beiren:

Like rest of the world, it doesn't wage offensive wars while enjoying majority support, either.

it's a matter of weaponry, sir. And...
Erinnern Sie sich der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik, sir. Vergessen Sie vor siebzig Jahren Blödsinn.

Originally posted by ggg-bro:

Erinnern Sie sich der Geschichte der Bundesrepublik, sir. Vergessen Sie vor siebzig Jahren Blödsinn.

Because people are similar everywhere, it is not easy to assign to any country a defining character.
For example, there are few countries that are indelibly stained by a brief history of barbarism.

Will you please identify a few that are so defined.

BTW, Grand Rapids is still quite barbaric. I'm having sautéed pig brains for dinner.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Ah, so instead of "people", you admit that it's only you that thinks of Hitler first when you think of Germany? Gotcha!Sure, Hitler is a part of Germany's history, much like the atomic bomb and the eradication of natives are part of American history. Those aren't the bits that you think of when you think USA, but some of the rest of us do.

In which case, what is your point?
You've effectively backed up my argument. (BTW, you could have used Mr. Howie as an example about the atomic bomb and Native American massacre bits. )

But yes, this is true. Just like some people think of Brits as being Irish-haters for Cromwell's actions or any other numerous action that the British Empire committed.

Originally posted by beiren:

Take a look at these. Link to original included.
http://my.opera.com/beiren/blog/2012/05/24/sotilaita-lippuja

Absolutely revolting.

yea Smileyfaze would make you drop dead for his patriotic ways.