The U.S. Is A WorldWide Problem

The U.S. Is A WorldWide Problem

Generally speaking, Forum participants are highly critical of the United States.

In a pre-internet day the criticis might have fallen on Portugal or the UK, but the dubious holder of the flag of oprobium is now the U.S.

Oh, I love being cheey OakdaleFTL. And by jingo I bet that niggled having to admit that one to me eh?? Odd you don't seem to notice cheeky in yourself.......

**are we drifting just a sliver off topic?**

In the Off-Topic Forums? Heaven forfend!

You should talk Jaybro. How's that for cheek as you do it all the time.

Getting back therefor to the thread it is still a world-wide problem and sadly will be until the country declines to point of some sort of collapse. It is learning nothing about the world except wanting to dominate and put it's idea of culture on everyone else. I rekon it started with getting too confident over the Spanish-American War and things went downhilafterwards.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You should talk Jaybro. How's that for cheek as you do it all the time.

Getting back therefor to the thread it is still a world-wide problem and sadly will be until the country declines to point of some sort of collapse. It is learning nothing about the world except wanting to dominate and put it's idea of culture on everyone else. I rekon it started with getting too confident over the Spanish-American War and things went downhilafterwards.

How about giving some pointers? At one time, the UK was THE expert at all the things you now accuse the US of. Each and every charge in the quote could be leveled at the UK, and it would stick like Gorilla Glue.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Getting back therefor to the thread it is still a world-wide problem and sadly will be until the country declines to point of some sort of collapse. It is learning nothing about the world except wanting to dominate and put it's idea of culture on everyone else.

Yes, sir. We are a problem for ourselves and certain others. And we're collapsing.

I'm still puzzled by such as "it", and "it's idea of culture'. How does that work?

I never speak to those around me about imposing our idea of culture on Scotland, the UK or China.

I don't care how Scots live, who they emulate, if anybody. Nobody I know does. So what do you mean? Do you know what you mean, or is it just hot air?

I suspect that you have some sort of bone to pick and that you're not quite sure just what it is.

Maybe if you explained in some detail what bothers you I could respond meaningfully.

Intectual fluffiness yet again so at least you are consistent there. Now over to Chicago.

In connection with Jaybro having raised the suject of his/your country being a world-wide problem you just have to look at the last two centuries or so and more pointedly the 20th century mjsmsprt40. I will initially give you this. At the birth of the USA as such after Yorktown there were high principles certainly bandied about and many who firmly belived in them. Indeed, I would stretch to say that in the first years you did try to do something different but it didn't last long.

You won the Spanish-American war and that would of course be helped by Spain being so far away. You can thank the Pope for his help as he praye3 for the Spanish fleet at cuba and it was sunk! (mind you a Pope prayed for that womaniser JFK and he got assassinated). Some guy, red socks. Anyway that gave you (meaning your country before Jaybro comes in again with that nonsense as to whom I mean stuff as a distraction) an appetite for the world stage. The BE strode the world as did the Pound and so it was a determination to replace both and fair enough as empires come and go. You built a financial empire then came up with this false notion that you had values others lacked and somehow the world needed your idea of democracy which was often silly considering the internal way the country was run and the disparehements of in-equality and other things. Out of that arrogance no doubt helped by your very capable expertise in business endeavours came a theory of needing to be the world's police. You have your own now existing military and economic empire but unlike us who came to erms with ours in due course you cannot do the same. The early success in the new country has been replaced

In the past, America was a place for hard work and opportunity as well as class movement but not today. In today's country, 50% will not be able to move socially, more and more control is in the hands of finacial robbers in Wall Street rather than the body politic. The strengths of the late 18th century have been replaced by the worship of the dollar. So the tradtional social mobility is a thing of the past. Incomes have been stagnating over the last decade or two and yet the money people get away with all sorts more get poorer. Even the body politic is corrupt and fails the American people. Built into the Presidential Election process is a need to have a 15% support. This means the two-party system has it stitched up and more and more Americans are feeling the political system is not reflecting them. Small wonder the voting numbers are still in freefall across the country and for good reason. It less represents folk than other democracies. What served to two centuries agao is no longer valid as it has been seduced and corrupted. You need a root and branch erenewal and that would be the salvation but it isn't going to happen soon unless the place does fall apart.

The trouble is that having been brought up on a diet of that daft dream which only ever got to a third and the propaganda that there will be a rescue the situation is looking negative. This will I surmise, effect the possibility of any vast and violent social upheaval but the way things are going there may be be a gradual move downwards as the increasing dispossessed see the claims no long are viable. And all the time the money men and their pals on the Hill have it all carved up and have stolen the legacy of the founders of your nation. Until that becomes even wider understaodd you will not get out the financial bit or your dat need to want to control the world in your image. May not be in our lifetetimes but maybe one day the lack of postive change will lead to something horrific. There was time when Lenin and Co sighed and thought there would never be a revolution. We couldn't see the Berlin Wall coming down or the collapse of Soviet Communism. You will not be immune.

You need to radically change the political system and class barriersand the lack of equality and social mayhem.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is learning nothing about the world except wanting to dominate and put it's idea of culture on everyone else.

In finance, some very powerful bankers feel the same.

This is from the group executive director of a 150 year old bank that does 190 billion a day in money clearing activity and has 1700 offices in 70 global markets:

You f---king Americans. Who are you to tell us, the rest of the world, the we're not going to deal with Iranians.

http://www.dfs.ny.gov/banking/ea120806.pdf

I got to page 9 and came to the inescapable conclusion: SCB should be booted out of the U.S., and listed as a "terrorist facilitator"… What other countries do is, of course, up to them. (But they might want to consider what being barred from the U.S. might mean…to them! )

150 years?! A good run. I'm sure Iran is worth the trouble. (Thankfully, noone cares about morality anymore. Otherwise, there'd be a big Oops! coming up.)

Yes, the U.S. is a world-wide problem: The wide world is complaisant, ill prepared, and has proven itself to be incompetent… Try with all your might to convince us that any of you or all of you can do better.
Actions might speak louder than words…

From the land of Jingoism, no comment is required. (That means you, RJ.)

No-one wants to be the US or like it - that's the point OakdaleFTL!

Maybe the US should be booted out of the democracy club itself following that theme? When you consider that it has been up to secret deals, political and military mayhem, scurrilous acts all round the globe it would be a nut country wanting to follow that example. And throw in the present finacnial crisi birthed in the good ole US of A!When it suits it does much the same as this bank lot. Colonel North anyone? There have been a whole list of nefarious subterfuges by the American hypocrisy for the whole of the 20th century and now into this one. As for complacency such exists inside the nation right now and thinking someone is going to ride along and rescue it. No chance. Lack of preparedness? Just look at the infighting on the Hill. Why also any country would want to spend half the global military bill for sel-glorification and even more so when broke is totally bonkers. One day my dear chap you will wake up to reality when it is too late. Meantime do feel free to butt out of conflicts and creating probs/wars and get back a good old dose of isolationism! Nah, on second thoughts being belligerent and nefarious is part of the political system that is outdated and faulty.

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

I got to page 9 and came to the inescapable conclusion: SCB should be booted out of the U.S., and listed as a "terrorist facilitator"…

Aug. 7, 2012

Shares in Standard Chartered Bank plunged 20 per cent in Hong Kong Tuesday after it was accused of violating US sanctions against Iran and hiding 250 billion dollars worth of transactions with Iranian banks.

Are there any Americans who would like to swap Obama for David Cameron? I think it's a fair swap.
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25. June 2012, 19:36:55
rjhowie
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No it isn't

Not fair indeed...Cameron is from a foreign land that's well in its dotage.