Opera Plugin Wrapper

Opera Plugin Wrapper

Since the new Opera Version 12.0, whenever I open a youtube video this "Opera Plugin Wrapper" would appear in task manager and cause a high cpu usage. Since this only occurs in the newer version, I downgraded opera to 11.64. Now Opera Plugin Wrapper won't appear when I open a youtube video, and plays fine like before. Thing is I'd like to download newer versions for security purpose, and wonder if they would remove or improve the opera plugin wrapper.

Originally posted by iviperv:

and wonder if they would remove or improve the opera plugin wrapper.

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

As helpful as it seems, I don't think the trade off is worth it. My cpu usage from the wrapper jumps to 70-80%

Hmm. I don't have that problem. Opera and the plug-in wrapper only use like 3% for me on youtube while playing a 1080p video.

My CPU usage remains the same, Opera has always used around 40% CPU load for Flash plug-ins, but I do notice some RAM usage increase: before Opera used 300, 400 MB with plug-ins, now it uses the same amount of memory, but the wrapper costs additional 100 MB or so.

I have the same problem with youtube and opera-plugin-wrapper. Cpu load is about 70-80%
Cpu - Pentium IV, 1 GB RAM. A

Originally posted by Jasupyfy:

I have the same problem with youtube and opera-plugin-wrapper. Cpu load is about 70-80%
Cpu - Pentium IV, 1 GB RAM. A

To "fix" it as of now, just downgrade opera to version 11.64

Same sort of problems here......... bad move to go for Ver. 12. Far more hangs and on checking the opera-plugin is consuming well over 60% CPU. Might as well let crash because it is currently making Opera unusable as it is. And usual story, if I've opened another browser, I'm more liable to carry on using it. Downgrade time again.

Originally posted by iviperv:

As helpful as it seems, I don't think the trade off is worth it. My cpu usage from the wrapper jumps to 70-80%

max 6% usage here and 200k mb used in 4 tabs

The problem is not only with video's. The same problem is there with flash also.

I second this: CPU usage of the new plugin_wrapper maxes at 88% for both cpus, when I load a flash video. This is ridiculous I don't even have to actually *play* it, just loading is enough. I can't do anything else on my computer. Dear Opera developers, please solve this quickly.

Using Opera 12 and Adobe Flash Player 11.3.300.

24June2012

MFF introduced/incorporated the/a plugin-wrapper years ago BUT
allowed users to disable it ...
which I did and have had no problems with MFF crashing ...
Opera should allow disabling the plugin-wrapper ...

Also high CPU usage here, strange this has not been more tested.

And shame every update seems to chip away at the fast and configurable Opera of old.

Next OS reinstall I'm going back to v10 I think.

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

This is all very well but this "thing" tends to come up when watching videos for me and I am sure for a lot of others, slowing them down greatly (as well as Opera itself) so in many cases killing Opera is the only option.

When did the computer community start the downward spiral from a "lets do it better" stance to a "lets murder all functionality; so long as it looks pretty who cares?"

The simple fact is it does not work as it was intended, it basically murders your browsing pleasure and it will not be long until people wonder why the chose Opera in the first place. It should be removed; or at least be an optional upgrade.

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

Yeah, well, it'll get removed when I install an older, better version of Opera. It seems like every time I update, things get broken, and I have to wait for updates to fix the updates. This time, I've had Opera crash on me twice in the last 5 hours, which never happened before. The obvious cause is found when I view Task Manager, and see that on top of the expected 600-700MB of RAM that Opera is taking up (as I run about 20 tabs on average), this new Plugin Wrapper is taking up over 700-800MB of additional RAM. When I try to kill it, it just reboots itself the next time Opera thinks it is needed. This is not appreciated, as not only is Opera and its accessories now consuming nearly a sixth of my RAM without heavy usage or buildup, but it's overloading my CPU and causing my browsing experience extreme lag on a regular basis. Just trying to select a username for these forums, I had to wait for the cursor to catch up to what I was typing, because Opera is killing my CPU. This is ridiculous. On top of the fact that a majority of financial websites seem to be incompatible with this browser, it seems the dev team is now set to make it impractical to use. Guess it might be time to check out Chrome.

Claiming the intended use is to keep Opera from crashing, I find it quite hilarious that this new feature is, itself, causing Opera to crash by its mere existence.

PS: Yes, I just signed up here to post this, as this is such an egregious development misstep that I couldn't withhold commenting on it. I just updated to v12 over the weekend, and I've had nothing but problems with it in the last 36 hours.

Sorry--I underestimated the size of "Large" type. Unfortunately, I was unable to edit the type size, after posting.

~~Robert

Originally posted by V'ger:

And shame every update seems to chip away at the fast and configurable Opera of old.

Thats kinda true, I thought it would be my harddrive as it is chirping like a bird while I work, but now with 12 the hrddrive performance is the same, just whole browsing is slow.
Opera lost one of the biggest features - being FAST and slim.

Will keep this Plugin Wrapper in my "to watch" list - till I roll back to an earlier version

I also have a problem with the opera plugin wrapper with 12.

Sometimes its fine, other times it uses up a lot of cpu and it can even just freeze and I have to ctrl-alt-del it. It also leaks memory. I'm not against it, it just needed more work before it was released. 12 is definitely worse with flash than the previous version.

i opened up task manager today to check opera memory usage and i had 12 instances of Opera_plugin_wrapper running! WTF

I have the same problem too, I've had to use other browsers 'cause this wrapper thing makes my computer really slow. Was just googling to find why this happened and only found this topic. So devs please fix this plugin.

Multiple instances of the wrapper and Opera hangs.
Killing them makes it work again.

Never thought I would have to use Opera Forums to discuss problems again, but alas

So my case is that any page with flash plugin slows down opera (unresponsive UI). Funny part is that there is no CPU usage at all. So it looks like Opera is waiting for something. Opera x32 @ x64 8 core CPU, win 7.

Browser became unusable; rolling back to 11.64

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

The funny thing is, Opera almost never crashes. Why "improve stability" if it crashes once in, say, three months? What will happen next to improve stability? A separate process for every single tab and every single extension, like in Chrome?

Another funny thing is, Opera plugins started crashing more often now, after this "stability improvement". I've never ever seen "Plugin crashed" placeholder before. Now I see it instead of flash.

Originally posted by atharip:

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

The funny thing is, Opera almost never crashes. Why "improve stability" if it crashes once in, say, three months? What will happen next to improve stability? A separate process for every single tab and every single extension, like in Chrome?

Another funny thing is, Opera plugins started crashing more often now, after this "stability improvement". I've never ever seen "Plugin crashed" placeholder before. Now I see it instead of flash.

Quote.
100% cpu usage here , more crashes.

I am stopping by to a forum--rare weirdness!

I have used Opera these past 10+ years--this may sound like an exaggeration but I can't remember when Opera crashed last--maybe 2010? Although I am a net-junkie, I don't do much gaming or streaming--mostly I play online multiplayer pool at miniclip (the best) and loads of reading. Read Read Read!!!

I remember bugs following updates long long ago. This wrapper business is bringing back memories :-)

Someone above said, "Claiming the intended use is to keep Opera from crashing, I find it quite hilarious that this new feature is, itself, causing Opera to crash by its mere existence." ROFL!!

***THE RELEVANT BIT***

But now my trusty little 2005 HP VS5100 laptop (running Windows XP3 2GB RAM & ATI display) has too much load on it with this Wrapper--I noticed it right away and went to task manager and was like wtf 53,000 and I'm just picking my ear. So, yes, web-pages are loading jerky and slow. Youtube seems to be ok actually but I don't go there much.

Unlike the lightning fast Opera I've ever used!! Glad others are reporting trouble. Makes me think there's recently an INDUSTRIAL SABOTEUR on board at OPERA SA selling faulty code lol! Thanks for the advice about rolling-back! I forgot about that option lol :-) No big deal.



Since Opera has hardly EVER crashed for me in the past I guess I just wasn't using it right lol

Can the Opera Heroes just code a click into the new versions of future Opera versions to turn the wrapper OFF/ON that would be cool.

in my experience i only get 20-30% load on the plugin wrapper (which adds up to about 85% with Opera) with a typical youtube video.

i dont care that much about CPU usage - i've been using Opera religiously for years because I can run tens of tabs open on it without fuss.

Howvever, since version 12 i regualrly get "stuttering" videos [any online] and it crashes more often :-(

Originally posted by burnout426:

Originally posted by iviperv:

and wonder if they would remove or improve the opera plugin wrapper.

It's not going to be removed, only improved

Then it will have to be one heck of an improvement, like a full re-write in assembly, because it's making Opera pretty much unusable.

Disabling services and "enhancements" I could give to craps about, closing ports, neutralizing privacy-unfriendly connections to third party servers and restoring the usability of the GUI every time I install a new version, is already enough of a pain the arse, so to actually be forced to deal with such an abominable resource waster is like a cruel joke on me.

Get your s**t together Opera team.
Thank you.

I've encountered similar problems on my Vostro 3450 (i5 2410, 8 GB RAM).

The new version became the opposite of "nimble". The so-called wrapper consumes 20-25% of CPU power and makes the browser sluggish. The fan is running high, thank God it'd quiet, but the notebook gets unnecessarily hot. Srsly, I'm only viewing pages, no hard stuff, so why does it need do much power? I've got 40 tabs in 4 windows and my daily usage easily surpasses this, so this is quite a nuisance.

I'm not downgrading to 11.64 because progress means that 12.0 should be better. I want nimbler Opera with better memory management (closing 30 tabs at once has only minimal effect on memory usage) and do something with that wrapper PLEASE.

And please acknowledge publicly the existence of these problems (and when will you fix them) and do not act ignorant like some other developers do. Users really DO appreciate sincerity.

Gentlemen, to your keyboards.

@ALL THOSE WHO ARE FACING PROBLEMS

I use Flash version 11.1 - and I have never experienced any high CPU usage problems/crashes. I have also used Flash 11.2 on my second system with no problems. However, Flash 11.3 has BEEN found buggy, first crashing Firefox, then no sound problems, and maybe more. Adobe has acknowledged these issues and I think they might have more unpatched issues, some of which you guys might be facing.

Un-install Flash Player 11 Plug-in from Add/Remove Programs OR Programs and Features and install either one of these-

Flash Player 11.1
Flash Player 11.2

Good old Jobs was right. Let's hope HTML5 will bring us flawless, crash-free video and Flash will fade into oblivion and become only a distant and sad memory.

Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

@ALL THOSE WHO ARE FACING PROBLEMS

I use Flash version 11.1 - and I have never experienced any high CPU usage problems/crashes. I have also used Flash 11.2 on my second system with no problems. However, Flash 11.3 has BEEN found buggy, first crashing Firefox, then no sound problems, and maybe more. Adobe has acknowledged these issues and I think they might have more unpatched issues, some of which you guys might be facing.

Un-install Flash Player 11 Plug-in from Add/Remove Programs OR Programs and Features and install either one of these-

Flash Player 11.1
Flash Player 11.2

Opera 11 works fine no matter the flash version. Furthermore, I'm not getting any crashes, just unbearable sluggishness.

same problem, my old and good opera seems to don´t exist anymore

Another complaint. After never once having opera crash due to a flash video, I have had it hang twice in an afternoon and had to kill the process in Task Manager. The extra RAM load is unacceptable too. Luckily I have an old copy of Opera 10 that I can put back on, but this new version is virtually unusable. I am not going to stay on an old browser indefinitely so this atrocity better either be removed or turned into an option feature quick smart. I dumped Firefox after the replaced the excellent version 2 with the terrible version 3 and moved on to Opera, and I've been very happy so far, so I would hate to move on again. Classic case of bored programmers breaking the golden rule of if it aint broke don't fix it.

Obviously the developers won't get rid of this 'feature', so while I'm here has anyone got any browser recommendations?

Well, what I did is to go to FileHippo.com, which has the latest versions of much software, and older versions, as well. I installed 11.64, which is the newest version without the problem.

Often, with any browser, I download and save the file. Then I install from the saved file. If the new version is not satisfactory, I uninstall, and use the previous. This time, I had deleted the 11.64 files too early.

Firefox has made a lot of improvements, but the latest is a slug. It uses the same Flash versions as Opera; IE uses an ActiveX version, exclusively for it. The latest Flash for Opera and Firefox is 11.3, for which bugs have been reported. It caused my videos to skip and ululate. So, I put in 11.2, as an earlier poster suggested. No problem with it and Flash 11.2.

Google is trying out HTML5 as a substitute for Flash, and testing it on some lucky folks. I was one; but, HTML5 had the same problems as Flash 11.3. So, I opted out at Youtube, and use only Flash 11.2.

In my experience, software engineers are too concerned with new features, and less with thorough testing. Opera is no exception, in my judgment, and neither are our pals at Mozilla. The latest Thunderbird is an abomination; so, it was back to FileHippo.com.

I used to run Opera with up to 80 open tabs. Now, when I get to 15, the tabs go crazy, until I add an additional tab. It has done this for several iterations. Could be my old Dell, XP SP3, from 2004.

~~Robert

Moderator note: Post removed, mind your language

Originally posted by burnout426:

Originally posted by iviperv:

and wonder if they would remove or improve the opera plugin wrapper.

It's not going to be removed, only improved. The plug-in wrapper is there so if a plug-in crashes, it doesn't crash Opera and you can just reload the page.

Funny thing is it doesn't prevent Opera from crashing at all! Opera 12 has crashed over a dozen times for me on youtube, tinychat, and other flash based websites due to the plugin wrapper.

Hi,

why doesn't start Opera_Plugin_Wrapper with limited user rights? This plugin starts only with administrator rights.

Any YouTube videos which are played as limited user are juddering now.

Thanks to LarsL who gave me the advice with the HTML5-Player and YouTube. Now the videos are running fine again.
And I have thought the Opera_Plugin_Wrapper was the reason.

Plugin Wrapper is a joke , from the first day i have high cpu usage over 30% for a simple youtube video 360 p i hope opera devs fix this because is very serious problem .

I have the same issues, sometimes Opera hangs completely or only some tabs and I have to kill the wrapper. Not sure if some recent bluescreens are caused by it too. Some minutes ago had to kill the wrapper again. RAM usage was Opera.exe 4 GB and the wrapper 3 GB.

The thing is with this wrapping I can't even watch videos online without going to task manager and setting the priority of the "opera_plugin_wrapper" process to "above normal". Another way is to go fullscreen when it's possible — seems like the bottleneck is the data interchange between the plugin and the Opera's renderer.
Win7 x64, Core2Solo ULV (SU3500), 4Gb RAM.

Opera never was on good terms with any 3rd party web-software. Guys must be hating any kind of cooperation with someone outside the group. And while trying to decrease the plugin-related crash-count, Opera made that lack of cooperation painfully obvious.

Let's say, that Opera 12 is now a wall, and plugin_wrapper is a projector. Btw, ATI Catalyst 11.3 drivers think this wall is some kind of a 3D application, trying to go into fullscreen mode if ALT+ENTER is pressed. So, stand alone flash player usually stops any visual-related calculations when its window is minimised. But in a wrapper it is always "on-screen", because Opera-wall doesn't care if flash-object is actually visible or not, and always runs the flash-plugin in fullpower. That's the reason of constant CPU load. Wrapper is also unable to dispose of unused plugin instances. Each flash-object adds about 30Mb to wrapper's memory consumption, and the wrapper won't close until all pages with flash-objects are closed. Obvious memory leak. There's also that failed attempt of "let's nutkick those FireFox addons" called "Opera Extensions". AdBlock+ alone is able to hang Opera for a minute or two on a page with many dynamicaly changing objects. My 2x1,66Ghz laptop was unable handle twitter with more than 100 tweets on page until I replaced AdBlock with fatboy's custom css and optimised urlfilter.ini. And I'm sure that at least 90% of all those extensions are made in a same "screw optimisation" way. So, those two are the reason for "sluggishness".

HTML5 and CSS3 are awesome, but Opera is yet to fully support them, and until it does, neglecting a proper Flash support is not an option.

Originally posted by Shionsan:

HTML5 and CSS3 are awesome, but Opera is yet to fully support them, and until it does, neglecting a proper Flash support is not an option.

Really? It does support them.

I use Opera 12 and see videos on You Tube HTML5 play fine even in full screen without any hiccups.

HTML5 works great in Opera 12.

(An older slower bandwidth or PC that can't process the information fast enough will have glitches and echo audio.)

"fully" is the key word. And there are other reasons to make a better job at supporting flash-content: http://www.webmonkey.com/2010/06/youtube-html5-video-is-no-match-for-flash/

yeah i realize that but its still good as an alternative to Flash.
Article explains it well.
It does work well to playback videos. Streaming is another issue and Flash has been around for like 20 years now(?)

still if anyone has trouble with Flash on YouTube they should try the HTML5 in Opera 12. You just need a fast multi core PC and Win 7 or other top O/S


HTH

I too am plagued when the plug-in wrapper decides to crash in the middle of a movie or mp3 file. I always keep Task Manager running as I usually need it to kill Opera when it binds up with 700-800mb of usage. So I found that the added plug-in wrapper can add hundreds more at times. I then decided to experiment with the wrapper and found this.... I played 1 You Tube movie at a time for about 6 movies. Each movie would start with the RAM usage dropping back a bit---but then building up to more than before. I thought it might have related to the movie itself. But when I went back to play the original movie that had used 50mb, it was now up to 195mb. I went to Tools/Delete Private Data. When Opera is bound up that usually closes all tabs and clears History and brings my Opera.exe usage down to more normal levels. But the Plugin_wrapper.exe stayed high. The only way to bring the wrapper usage down was to end it with Task Manager. So it looks like I need Task Manager running all the time---just to kill Opera when it gets bloated---and now the stupid plugin too. Are there any thoughts on what my findings may prove?? They provide me with a solution---but not a fix. Did I miss something already mentioned?

Originally posted by tac246:

I too am plagued when the plug-in wrapper decides to crash in the middle of a movie or mp3 file. I always keep Task Manager running as I usually need it to kill Opera when it binds up with 700-800mb of usage. So I found that the added plug-in wrapper can add hundreds more at times. I then decided to experiment with the wrapper and found this.... I played 1 You Tube movie at a time for about 6 movies. Each movie would start with the RAM usage dropping back a bit---but then building up to more than before. I thought it might have related to the movie itself. But when I went back to play the original movie that had used 50mb, it was now up to 195mb. I went to Tools/Delete Private Data. When Opera is bound up that usually closes all tabs and clears History and brings my Opera.exe usage down to more normal levels. But the Plugin_wrapper.exe stayed high. The only way to bring the wrapper usage down was to end it with Task Manager. So it looks like I need Task Manager running all the time---just to kill Opera when it gets bloated---and now the stupid plugin too. Are there any thoughts on what my findings may prove?? They provide me with a solution---but not a fix. Did I miss something already mentioned?

Ending the Plugin_wrapper.exe will end Flash as well, thus the video will display a crash message(You just have to reload the stream it again). Guess what? That's the whole point of this plugin. So when Flash crashes, Opera won't crash along with it. Thing is, the wrapping process takes up high cpu usage which is the downside.

So far the only fix is to downgrade to the last version. As I stated earlier, I'd like to keep up with new versions for security reasons.

Yes---I do understand that it is being suggested that the crash of the separate plugin is sort of a sacrifice to keep the whole program from crashing. But my interest was in how the plugin grows in size when only one movie at a time was being displayed. Inevitable it's growth seems to be what leads to it's own crash. It just feels that there must be a solution the developers are missing, that might resolve this growth. I've become very fond of Opera since discovering it a few years ago. Perhaps my Opera lock-ups and crashes are less with version 12 and the separate plugin (although they didn't seem worse in 11) ----yet they are still there. And the plugin only adds another dimension of annoyance. Ahhhh---if only things could be simple ;-(

My opera_plugin_wrapper.exe has hung the Opera for 1 hour, and still wait when will it finish.
I don't know what is it running. Very strange process!

I'm in exactly the same boat as everyone else, sinking with Opera 12. I'm on the 12.50 Marlin in an attempt to see if anything changed (I know its basically alpha but I need to try something). No change on 12.50 either. Ironically on my 4 windows laptops, a vaio p gen 1 1.33 & vaio TZ on win 8, a vaio p gen 2 1.66 + Vaio TT on win 7, there are no issues, only on the macs, mini 1.66, 2x mbp 2.2, imac. All on snow leopard. Basically an atom is now outperforming a c2d with opera open. Not good. Is there anyway to prevent the plugin wrapper from initiating its process, in a sense reverting back to 11.64 behaviour while using 12 so I can keep Opera Link synced on 12.

As others have said its meant to make things stable but Opera is crashing just as regularly and memory usage has gone as high as 3.2gb on some systems. It cant go higher, I've only got 4. Please fix this Opera Team.

News with the new 12.01 release?
Has been solved ?
I will try tonight...