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10. July 2006, 08:36:54

TerryWood

Posts: 77

Opera 9 Not As Fast?

I have been an Opera user for years and am currently using Opera 9. It does seem consideably slower on page loading than previous versions

I also have Firefox with some tweaked settings which is considerably faster on page loading. This is astonishing because Opera was always way ahead. I know this kind of issue is somewhat subjective, but has anyone else noticed a definite slowdown Opera's performance?

Failing that can anyone suggest a list of action points for me to follow to check out what might be causing such a slowdown. I am on 512k broadband and have the following spec

1600ghz Athlon processor
512DDR ram
Win XPSP2

Comodo firewall
GesWall
AdAware
Windows Defender
Process Guard
Ewido
Spybot

All browsers function through DropMyRights

Thanks

Terry

10. July 2006, 08:44:29

Defo.
Opera 9 has proven slower to load as an application, slower to load pages and constantly has to think about it before scrolling. Never had these problems with v8 and a test downgrade at the weekend shows that I still don't.

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10. July 2006, 09:26:38

As far as I can tell Opera 9 has not proven to be any slower - however there are some things you might want to look into.

. firewall and/or antivirus - can interefere with any program - even Opera
. try a new, fresh profile/installation - upgrading from 8.x has been known to cause some problems

Opera 9 is running as fast as 8.x here.

10. July 2006, 10:49:24

TerryWood

Posts: 77

To Dunderklumpen

Thanks for your reply. Grateful.

Can you explain in simple terms how I set up a new profile please?

Thanks very much

Terry

10. July 2006, 11:02:01

dany282

Posts: 5

My experience here is that Opera 9 is not any slower than Opera 8. But only after i did a clean install.

First i did an Update of my 8.54-installation. Then Opera literally took ages to start up (more than 30 seconds). Also various things were not as they're supposed to. Scrolling did not work very smooth, it really seemed to think about it before doing it wink

Now, with a clean install it is very compareable to Opera 8.

10. July 2006, 13:56:25

freexone

Posts: 649

I'm on dial-up and for me Opera 9.01 is faster than ever!

10. July 2006, 14:36:54

Seems like me and Dany282 are in the same boat. I'll try a fresh install tonight and see if it helps.
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10. July 2006, 16:45:12

TerryWood

Posts: 77

I did a clean install as a number of contributors suggested. In addition I cleared out the registry with manual editing. So its the nearest thing to a virgin install.

I cannot say I notice any difference. It remains slow and a bit hesitant to load up pages by comparison to a slightly supercharged Firefox.

Let me be clear I am an Opera fan not a Firefox aficionado. Until Opera 9 came out I would not have looked at Firefox. But on my set up for what ever reason Opera 9 is slow. When I say hesitant I mean as the page loads the items loaded are "clocked". Sometimes the clock almost stops sometimes it stops at two or three items short ie 57 out of 60 loaded.

I thank everyone for all their help and time expended in replying.

Any other suggestions gratefully received

Terry

ps as I said in previous posts I have Comodo Personal Firewall and Avast A/V Process Guard and others along with GESWALL

10. July 2006, 16:52:17

damnidunno

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Posts: 53

Im on dial up and opera is just as fast and lovely as always, but better p

10. July 2006, 18:12:04

neeraj_deshmukh

The Falcon

Posts: 21593

Originally posted by TerryWood:

Can you explain in simple terms how I set up a new profile please?

See resetting your Opera profile.

Originally posted by TerryWood:

I did a clean install

Did you also remove the old profile folder before installing again?

Also, is your firewall / proxy server / anti-virus configured to allow Opera 9 through?
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10. July 2006, 20:27:35

TerryWood

Posts: 77

To neeraj deshmukh

Yes I did delete my previous Opera Profile.

In terms of your comments about "Also, is your firewall / proxy server / anti-virus configured to allow Opera 9 through?" I am not clear what you mean. I am using Comodo firewall and Avast Home. The latter I have used for years when Opera was the fastest browser. I confess to migrating from Look n Stop to Comodo firewall. I used L n S when Opera was good and when it appeared to deteriorate. I have noticed NO SIGNIFICANT PERFORMANCE LOSS since migrating to Comodo. In other words Opera 9 was poor with L n S as with Comodo.

Both firewalls appear to work with Opera so I am a bit confused at what I have to do to allow Opera through, given that it is working. Can you be more specific please

Again thanks to all for your comments keep them coming

I just wish YOU ALL COULD SEE THE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPERA 9 & FIREFOX

Thanks again

Terry

10. July 2006, 20:49:20

neeraj_deshmukh

The Falcon

Posts: 21593

Originally posted by TerryWood:

I am not clear what you mean.

A firewall will treat Opera 8.54 differently from Opera 9 -- it is dealing with a different opera.exe binary executable file now. Firewall settings you had for Opera 8.54 may not automatically apply to Opera 9 -- you might have to reconfigure your firewall and explicitly change them.
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11. July 2006, 07:45:02

TerryWood

Posts: 77

neeraj

Thanks for you reply thats clear.

But since I completely removed all vestiges of any Opera version at the suggestion of the forum. Won't this mean that when I installed Opera 9 that Comodo Personal Firewall will have recognised only Opera 9?

Thanks in anticipation

Terry

11. July 2006, 14:56:03

neeraj_deshmukh

The Falcon

Posts: 21593

Originally posted by TerryWood:

But since I completely removed all vestiges of any Opera version

Did you also remove the profile folder of the previous Opera installation?
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11. July 2006, 15:38:28

TerryWood

Posts: 77

Neeraj

Thanks for your reply, and "Yes I Did" (Remove the previous folder)

Terry

11. July 2006, 15:54:59

neeraj_deshmukh

The Falcon

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Then I suppose something in your firewall still needs to be tweaked.
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11. July 2006, 16:14:57

fred2erik

Posts: 153

Try adding a 'Application Rule' under Configuration in Comodo Firewall and GeSWall. By the way, it is not smart to run two firewalls at the same time, as it is not smart to have multiple on-acces spyware scanners enabled. They will intrefer with each other.

If it does not help, you should try disabling your security programs one by one until the problem is solved. Then you know which program causes it.

11. July 2006, 17:01:03

TerryWood

Posts: 77

fred erik

Thanks for your reply

An application rule to do what?

Thanks

Terry

12. July 2006, 00:49:35

ayespy

Posts: 120

An application rule is one established in your security app to "always allow" or "always block" a given application to do something.

As a former forum mod for an international AV app, I can tell you multiple firewalls and multiple on-access scanners are not a bad idea. They are a REALLY BAD idea. They do not increase your security, but decrease it by interfering with each other, and blocking each others' actions, and make your computer and its other apps buggy to boot.

12. July 2006, 19:48:52

sebt

Posts: 2521

Remember: Opera9 is an evolution of Opera8, supporting more standards and greater levels of rendering sophistication. Naturally this makes the code a more complicated, resulting in more computation and thus a small drop in speed.

Opera 9 is doubtlessly slower than 8, but the difference is as small as it must be. On modern equipment it should be hardly noticeable; even on older equipment the difference is hardly an issue.

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12. July 2006, 20:00:36

TerryWood

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Sebt

Thats the kind of logical argument I can buy.

Even so in this case it won't wash. The speed difference in page loading between Opera and Firefox + Fasterfox tweaking is significant. I've timed it. Also if you look at the posts in this and other forums, not all but many, there is too much conformity to ignore. Forget all the rubbish about antivirus and firewalls etc. I have followed all the advice and more in this forum to no avail. After 7 years as an avid Opera user, it's the first time I have ever raised the issue of Opera falling behind. I don't like either firefox or Thunderbird but I use them simply because on my 512kb broadband Firefox + fasterfox makes a real difference.

Just look at the comments across a number of forums. Not all are credible but some (many) you cannot ignore

Terry

13. July 2006, 07:50:49

Nilsen

Posts: 606

Originally posted by TerryWood:

The speed difference in page loading between Opera and Firefox + Fasterfox tweaking is significant.


You are comparing a default Opera to a tweaked Firefox?! Not exactly an unbiased comparison, but hey, what do I know?

If you are already having problems with Opera being slow, why bother comparing it to other browsers anyway? Most people do not have this problem, so why do you bring up Firefox when the problem is obviously on your end?

Also if you look at the posts in this and other forums, not all but many, there is too much conformity to ignore.


I disagree. All Opera reviews from normal users I've seen keep saying how amazingly fast Opera 9 is compared to Firefox.

I have followed all the advice and more in this forum to no avail.


That doesn't really say anything about what most people experience. That you and a few others are having problems doesn't mean that everyone else has those problems.

Just look at the comments across a number of forums. Not all are credible but some (many) you cannot ignore


Again, the comments I keep seeing is that Opera 9 is much faster than Firefox. I've read digg, Slashdot, Ars Technica, etc. Firefox fans are really impressed by Opera's speed, and some are switching, while others aren't (mostly due to extensions).

13. July 2006, 09:17:40

Originally posted by TerryWood:

To Dunderklumpen

Thanks for your reply. Grateful.

Can you explain in simple terms how I set up a new profile please?

Thanks very much

Terry



Here is one way to do it:

. backup your old profile including mail - the path is under Help About Opera. Just copy the folders and keep them safe
. uninstall
. delete the profile
. install Opera 9
. Migrate/Copy/import what you need from your backed up profile/mail folder

http://operawiki.info/MigratingSettings

13. July 2006, 09:19:20

Originally posted by TerryWood:

To neeraj deshmukh

I just wish YOU ALL COULD SEE THE PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPERA 9 & FIREFOX

Thanks again

Terry



I can - Opera is a lot - and I do mean a lot faster.

13. July 2006, 11:16:22

F-V

Posts: 1602

Even though Opera is still overall very fast (much faster in responding than other browsers, IMO), Opera 9 has some weaknesses for me. Specifically:

- During page loading, Opera requires quite a bit of CPU and tends to slow down the rest of the browser for a second. Noticeable when loading many pages in the background.
- Loading, displaying and scrolling very large pages with many relatively positioned elements (e.g. large forum threads displayed in one page) tends to be slower than it was in 8.
- The find / highlight-all-matches functionality works poorly on large pages, on extremely large pages this can even completely freeze the browser for half a minute on a modern machine.

Of these issues, the latter is one I think should have been fixed for 9.0 final, but overall I'm still very satisfied with Opera's performance and I'm sure they keep fixing performance issues as they've always done in the past.

13. July 2006, 19:58:45

idleskitter

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Originally posted by sebt:

Opera 9 is doubtlessly slower than 8, but the difference is as small as it must be. On modern equipment it should be hardly noticeable; even on older equipment the difference is hardly an issue.


I won't consider 512 MB RAM on a Pentium 4-M 2.00 GHz old equipment -- though at my end noticeably Opera 9 is less fast as Opera 8.54.

Originally posted by Nilsen:

I disagree. All Opera reviews from normal users I've seen keep saying how amazingly fast Opera 9 is compared to Firefox.

I have followed all the advice and more in this forum to no avail.

That doesn't really say anything about what most people experience. That you and a few others are having problems doesn't mean that everyone else has those problems.


I'd consider myself normal and I assume your comment isn't meant as insult, right?
Maybe I am wrong, but I couldn't find any member's post on my.opera which claims that everybody has those problems regarding speed and hangs with Opera 9. Though, I understood that some people are having issues in respects of speed with 9 version compared to 8.54 version indeed.

I reported my experiences here: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1646540

Originally posted by Nilsen:

I've read digg, Slashdot, Ars Technica, etc. Firefox fans are really impressed by Opera's speed, and some are switching, while others aren't (mostly due to extensions).


Yeah, those articles, blogs and posts you're refering to are comparing FF with Opera 8.54, and yes 8.54 is faster than FF, this isn't the case with Opera 9 unfortunately.

13. July 2006, 23:45:27

idleskitter

relax max

Banned user

Originally posted by Nilsen:

You are comparing a default Opera to a tweaked Firefox?! Not exactly an unbiased comparison, but hey, what do I know?



What do you know, Nilsen, may I ask you please ?

As far as I followed this thread, TerryWood spoke both clear & friendly language, he/ she spoke about personal experiences with Opera.
Why are you trying to make this member look dull or bad ? -- by your personal defaults is this fine arts of comunnication?

Nilsen try to play fair, please.

Hmm, or are you just on to provoke this thread to be closed soon, because it is critical about Opera 9, in my humble opinion (IMHO) this would be poor and I hope Opera ASA stays open to it's members experiences.

14. July 2006, 08:19:37

TerryWood

Posts: 77

To idleskitter

I've remained silent for a while.

When I saw your response I could not have put it better than If I had written your reply myself..

It is a shame that there is either bias or intolerance of personal views that just may be a tad critical of Opera which I have ALWAYS said is a good product.

I REMAIN INDEFATIGABLE and I am not going to change my views about Opera 9 and it's decreased page loading speed on my machine.

Terry

14. July 2006, 10:37:27

Nilsen

Posts: 606

Originally posted by idleskitter:

I understood that some people are having issues in respects of speed with 9 version compared to 8.54 version indeed.


That's the way it is with all new versions. Some will claim that it's faster, and others will claim that it's slower.

Yeah, those articles, blogs and posts you're refering to are comparing FF with Opera 8.54, and yes 8.54 is faster than FF, this isn't the case with Opera 9 unfortunately.


No, you are wrong. I am referring to articles, blogs and posts about Opera 9.

14. July 2006, 10:45:16

idleskitter

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14. July 2006, 14:50:26

neeraj_deshmukh

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Originally posted by Nilsen:

Some will claim that it's faster, and others will claim that it's slower.

In my experience, people who claim things are slower are actually telling the truth. That does not necessarily mean that Opera is slow, but it does mean that it is slow in their setup. The reasons for this could be several.

If we want to help such people, the way is not to (only) tell them that they are wrong and Opera is quite fast; all it will achieve is a feeling of antagonism. We need to also acknowledge the fact that they are here because of a real problem, however localized it may be, and suggest fixes to their setup so that they can also see the same high-speed functionality that the rest of us observe. If I can only do the former and not the latter, I prefer to not respond at all.
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14. July 2006, 15:05:09 (edited)

Nilsen

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Originally posted by neeraj_deshmukh:

Originally posted by Nilsen:

Some will claim that it's faster, and others will claim that it's slower.

In my experience, people who claim things are slower are actually telling the truth. That does not necessarily mean that Opera is slow, but it does mean that it is slow in their setup.


Yes, and that's the point. He should focus on his own problem and leave it at that.

14. July 2006, 15:10:19

neeraj_deshmukh

The Falcon

Posts: 21593

Originally posted by Nilsen:

Yes, and that's the point. He should focus on his own problem and leave it at that.

You should also realize that he can only see his Opera setup (and thus his problems).

I did not get the sense that he was attacking Opera in any way. He has a genuine complaint which he voiced quite reasonably. That is what we ask people to do on these forums, and we need to respect that.
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14. July 2006, 17:57:18

ayespy

Posts: 120

I do not have a pageload clocker on this machine.

I can count/clock whole second intervals in different browsers.

I went to a page without banners or popups, just straight content, using Opera, a non-tweaked Firefox, SlimBrowser, NS7.2 and NS8. Fastest load on my machine, first look at the site, was Opera9 Then Firefox, then Slimbrowser, then NS7.2 and then NS8. NS8 lags far behind the others in almost every method of grabbing a page.

When reloading to force new fetch of cached images, over and over, speed varied back and forth between O9, SB and FF, with a slight edge going to O9, then FF, then SB

When loading page with cached images, same result. Again, NS7.2 behind and NS8 behind that.

Went to EBay and got the same results on first load and reload, with the difference that since the page is so heavy the time differentials are greater.

What I have here is Verizon Wireless (so the web speed is somewhat inconsistent from one moment to the next), WinXPPro on a custom-built with Intel MoBo, 512Mb RAM, and 3GHz P4. So, Obviously I can't speak to how Linux would handle these variables, nor how it would go on, say, a 600MHz machine or 64Mb RAM. My daughter (the IT Admin at her job) and her main IT vendor tested various pageloads between FF and Opera8 on cable at her job, and she claims FF edged out Opera.

There are many different things browsers are doing on different pages - from fetching, to rendering, to invoking different protocols and plugins to display different elements, etc. Some browsers will do each of these things differently than the next and some will do some better and other will do others better. In my everyday usage, I cannot tell a difference between FF and Opera overall as to speed. I use Opera because I'll be damned if I'm going to download/intall a bunch of extensions (which can have their own bugs) just to get the same functionality, or work in a browser w/out integrated email. I DO have my Opera set to ALWAYS check for new content, etc., while I let FF load from cache whenever it wants. One thing I find with Opera is that its habit of displaying cache on back-button by default, including typed-in form content, even in secure sites, is an enormous time-saver for me. I resubmit forms over and over all day with often slightly varying content, and cannot afford to wait for form pages to rebuild nor to re-fill form blanks. No other browser does this for me as consistently.

Everyone's setup and usage is different. So far I personally have never found a new version of Opera slower than one earlier. However, I do find the browser speed gap closing, and Mozilla and IE-based browsers no longer lagging behind, anything like they used to. (except I gotta say, NS8 really needs some work in that department)

Moral of the story:

Your mileage may vary.

15. July 2006, 20:02:39

idleskitter

relax max

Banned user

Originally posted by ayespy:

Your mileage may vary.


True.

If like you can try some additional testing, you may want to visit this thread http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=147831

Note, you may download that mentioned testing site to your local hard disk, and start testing from your hard disk then, see my post http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=1642865 and the post underneath of it.

9. September 2006, 17:47:45

vp3dh3

Posts: 17

Originally posted by Nilsen:

Originally posted by neeraj_deshmukh:

Originally posted by Nilsen:

Some will claim that it's faster, and others will claim that it's slower.

In my experience, people who claim things are slower are actually telling the truth. That does not necessarily mean that Opera is slow, but it does mean that it is slow in their setup.


Yes, and that's the point. He should focus on his own problem and leave it at that.



Let me establish some analogy.
There are IE-only websites that does not work well with Opera or Firefox. Those people who use the most popular web-browser won't experience problems visiting those websites. Only those who use Opera or Firefox will experience problem. But we don't require them to change the browser to IE. We don't tell them "it's your fault. use IE.". We require those IE-only websites to change its design. That is what we have to do.

9. September 2006, 23:42:53

lem729

Posts: 1035

Regarding TerryWood's comments, I definitely had the same problem, slow Opera 9.01, and it's smoothed out, till right now, Opera and Firefox are for me, performing equally well in terms of speed.

I definitely did do a reinstallation of Opera, with a new profile, and took from the old profile only a few pieces (and I believe that was the critical piece that helped get the browser's performance back up). Also, I do want to note that I use the Comodo firewall, Vers., 2.3.5.62. (This is free software that has been rated very highly). I want to point out that the firewall software been recently upgraded. So query: does TerryWood (who uses Comodo) have the upgrade, which may make a difference.

Also, Commodo (once it's installed) (like Zone Alarm and other firewalls) asks a lot of questions about Opera (and certain parent software that makes use of Opera). If you answer a question wrong (say no, when you should have said yes, it's possible you could have a problem with Opera because of that answer.

One possibility (if you think that may be the problem) is to reinstall Comodo and answer all the questions again (making sure that you give Opera the necessary permissions. I have not, within the context of Comodo, needed to make a separate application rule for Opera, as the browser is operating quite well for me now. You can with Comodo define applications you consider trusted, and give them full internet rights, by opening the Application Window in Comodo, and clicking on Security. But I hesitate to do that with Opera, for fear some Trojan or other Spyware could hijack the browser. Anyway, there are Comodo bulletin boards at

http://forums.comodo.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b026e51df471385d05db7dc3af9385cb&

where you can ask questions, about what can be done with Firewall settings to make sure they don't interfere with the browser. Also, the questions one may have may already have been answered.

I really thank neeraj Deshtukh for his considerate post here, about the tone appropriate to take in this type of thread. People should NOT feel defensive about expressing their concerns about Opera's performance (if they're having a problem), or be attacked by others for doing so. In terms of speed of a browser, all one has is one's own situation.

10. September 2006, 00:36:00

alixx

Banned user

In Opera 9.xx versions try F12 uncheck 'Enable JavaScript', see if that'd improve your surfing speed.

10. September 2006, 01:11:27 (edited)

lem729

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I'm not sure most people understand the benefit of "enabling java," versus "enabling java script," and the differences between the two. Or the effects of disenabling them. But arent' there certain game sites, on-line greeting card sites, etc. which won't work, if java script isn't enabled.

See http://www.wildcookie.com/grownups/help/ suggesting certain games might require java script, and java.

Also, supposedly java script can be for: "verifying the content of input data and displaying error messages."
http://courses.de.open.uoguelph.ca/d2l/orgTools/systemCheck/system_Check.asp

So is it worth it to change the browser default which enables java script.

Interestingly, Pandora,

http://www.pandora.com/

didn't work for me, until for that specific site I dis-enabled java script. Anyway, if the suggestion is made that there's a "speed" benefit to doing something, I think one ought to know what the downside is. worried I mean, speed may be fine, but what's the trade-off?

10. September 2006, 01:11:58

alixx

Banned user

@lem729
to understand differences (JS vs Java): search the inet with your favorite search engine for search terms "JavaScript resp Java", hmm or you may want to look up for those at wikipedia.org ...

Disabling Java is not critical for normal surfing, but disabling JS might well be ... all depends y'know.

Of course there's a down side by disabling JavaScript. Such as some menus in web sites won't work for instamce.

All I can say form my side is, disabling JS in Opera 9.xx makes surfing much faster, nearly as fast as my Opera 8.54 or FF2b2 both JS enabled.

But maybe I missunderstood your statements. Anyway enjoy yourself and browse safely. smile

10. September 2006, 01:24:26

sebt

Posts: 2521

Originally posted by TerryWood:

Sebt

Thats the kind of logical argument I can buy.

Even so in this case it won't wash. The speed difference in page loading between Opera and Firefox + Fasterfox tweaking is significant. I've timed it. Also if you look at the posts in this and other forums, not all but many, there is too much conformity to ignore. Forget all the rubbish about antivirus and firewalls etc. I have followed all the advice and more in this forum to no avail. After 7 years as an avid Opera user, it's the first time I have ever raised the issue of Opera falling behind. I don't like either firefox or Thunderbird but I use them simply because on my 512kb broadband Firefox + fasterfox makes a real difference.

Just look at the comments across a number of forums. Not all are credible but some (many) you cannot ignore

Terry


Of course I accept that everyone is entitled to their opinion in this regard, nonetheless I would point out the following:

1. I have also timed page loading / rendering speeds between Firefox and Opera, as well as comparisons between IE and Opera, and using various Opera versions. Regarding Opera 9 vs. Firefox 1.5, I found that some pages would load faster in Firefox and others in Opera. Having said that, 9.01 and now the first 9.02 weekly seem to have made further improvements here. The truth is that each browser's loading and rendering method differs, which means that some sites will load quicker in some browsers than others It's unfortunate that some of your "favourite sites" may be those that load quicker in Firefox.

2. Opera's rendering engine and standards support are more complicated that Firefox's, for a number of reasons I've outlined in other posts. Depending on page features and browser specific coding, Opera may be necessarily slower on some pages, but could conversely offer a richer experience with (eg) CSS and page zooming.

3. I also use 512k broadband as well as a 2M connection. From my experience, in terms of perceived speed, there is little to tell Firefox and Opera apart in page loading and rendering speed terms on either connection.

4. Of course plenty of posters have vocalised these issues but that doesn't mean they're necessarily right, nor does it add much weight to the argument. There are plenty of other would-be posters who might say that Opera's faster than Firefox at page loading and rendering but see little point in saying so here on these forums. You might find them on mozilla forums, though.

Unless you can provide some kind of consistent and repeatable evidence of a problem it's not likely to cause much more than a debate here.

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10. September 2006, 01:49:05 (edited)

lem729

Posts: 1035

alixx,

I guess I'd say that Opera is fast enough for me, that I don't want to risk partially rendered pages, where menus might not work, game sites, etc. As it is there are sites that are problems for Opera because they're not designed properly. It's frustrating browsing at some of those sites, that render without a problem with Firefox or IE. I don't want to increase that problem of poorly rendered pages. All I was suggesting is that if you're going to mention that disenabling java script will increase speed (which is interesting, and which I didn't know), it would help to point out what the downsides might be (because most of us are not technical/computer gurus). The default was put there for a purpose. In any event, thanks for the suggestion about java script, as it is an interesting thought. You get X, but you lose Y. So the user has to decide: which is more important.

10. September 2006, 01:54:47

alixx

Banned user

@sebt
regarding
3) at my side both 9.01 and 9.02 are slower than 8.54. Firefox 2b2 resp BonEcho 2 nightlies are faster than Opera 9, to my opinion they're like 8.54 in regards of speed here.
4) ... hmm ... yes (!) -- so what? Of course both browsers have their advantages.

For me personally an important thing is speed and fast page rendering. All this CSS and JS caboodle i'm sick of meanwhile.
[Example: compare 8.54's CSS style sheets, like about:Opera, plug-ins or history etc pp with 9.xx , I mean who needs this really, 9.xx versions style sheets are hard to read here unless you zoom to min 120%. Another example: JS1.6 in 8.54 works fine for most web sites out there but JS1.7 in Opera 9.xx obviously not (but BonEcho 2 seems to know how to handle JS1.7}?

Readability of news sites, i.e. such like news.bcc.co.uk, why can't Opera handle this site like FF, the Opera-zoomm-page is a mess compared to FF2 'enlarge text size'.

Anyhow -- Each to its own. smile

10. September 2006, 02:08:06

alixx

Banned user

Originally posted by sebt:

Longstanding issues (please address!)...
- TCP/IP connections leak and occasional CPU performance hit (vs. 8.54)
- download to network location loses file extension.


bingo. up

10. September 2006, 12:11:58 (edited)

DynaBMan

Posts: 978

Originally posted by TerryWood:

I did a clean install as a number of contributors suggested. In addition I cleared out the registry with manual editing. So its the nearest thing to a virgin install.

I cannot say I notice any difference. It remains slow and a bit hesitant to load up pages by comparison to a slightly supercharged Firefox.

Let me be clear I am an Opera fan not a Firefox aficionado. Until Opera 9 came out I would not have looked at Firefox. But on my set up for what ever reason Opera 9 is slow. When I say hesitant I mean as the page loads the items loaded are "clocked". Sometimes the clock almost stops sometimes it stops at two or three items short ie 57 out of 60 loaded.

I thank everyone for all their help and time expended in replying.

Any other suggestions gratefully received

Terry

ps as I said in previous posts I have Comodo Personal Firewall and Avast A/V Process Guard and others along with GESWALL



I know this is an old post, but I have problems almost identical to the ones mentioned above. A lot of pages stop completely at the last two or three items and the browser sits for several seconds before it will proceed. The browser completely stops responding when this happens. I do have one page (Newzbin.com) that I had to disable javascript completely before I could use Opera to browse the site. It would actually load and display the page, but I couldn't scroll for several seconds. I am running Windows XP SP2, AMD 950 with 512 of ram.
LJ
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10. September 2006, 04:16:24

alixx

Banned user

DynaBMan, what Opera version are you on.

What do you mean with "I have problems almost identical to the ones mentioned above" confused
I.e. like DynaBMan has almost the same avatar like TreeGo ?

10. September 2006, 12:22:56

DynaBMan

Posts: 978

Originally posted by alixx:

DynaBMan, what Opera version are you on.

What do you mean with "I have problems almost identical to the ones mentioned above" confused
I.e. like DynaBMan has almost the same avatar like TreeGo ?



I thought my post was pretty clear.

I am on Opera 9.02, but I was having these problems on 9.01 as well.

What does my avatar have to do with this thread?
LJ
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10. September 2006, 15:52:05

DynaBMan

Posts: 978

I just wanted to let the people watching this thread that I seemed to have solved the problem I was having with Opera being very slow and not responding at the very end of loading a page. I have Ad Muncher installed on my system to filte ads from Internet Explorer. (My wife uses IE.) I used to let it filter Opera but had gotten away from that and was using an adblock.css file to filter the ads, along with Opera's built-in url filter file. I decided on a whim this morning to disable all of that and try using Ad Muncher again. When I changed the settings and restarted Opera, it is very fast and has not stopped responding a single time. I am not sure this will help anyone else, but it is worth a try. Good luck. up
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10. September 2006, 16:41:44

lem729

Posts: 1035

I have AdMuncher to filter Opera, Firefox, and IE. And it seems to work fine with all three. I don't think you want to be using multiple Adblockers.

10. September 2006, 16:45:29

mkt

Posts: 3

Huh? I don't have any anti-virus at all. Opera protects me from most of the spyware, and my router blocks all the worms. So in Windows, opera runs amazingly fast, just as it does in Linux. I wonder how amazing it will be on my MacBook, once I get it.

As for IE, I stopped using it years ago.

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