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Opera and authenticating with a Chip-card
For several years now, Estonia has a mandatory ID-card system which incorporates a digital signature/authentication system using a Chip-Card. The system now works on IE and FireFox, but not Opera, because Opera supposedly doesn't support authentication via a chip card. When I asked the developers/maintainers of the digital signature system about Opera support, the developers (Sertifitseerimiskeskus, www.sk.ee) answered that contact was made with Opera and even test-ID-cards with the appropriate PKCS#11 drivers were sent to Opera for testing but there still seems to be no progress. As several government institutions have web-based services which require login with the ID-card, I am very much interested if there will actually be ANY progress in the matter?+1
And I believe it's not only to be in Estonia but soon over the world (UK plans next, I think)
And I believe it's not only to be in Estonia but soon over the world (UK plans next, I think)
(1) Opera Next, Windows 7, Sun Java 1.6, Intel Pentium IV HT 3.2GHz with 3078MB DDRAM
(2) Opera Next, Windows XP Pro and windows 7 on Acer Aspire One A150-Bb
(3) Opera Next, OpenSUSE AMILO Pro V2010 Edition Intel Celeron M 370 1.50 GHz with 2GB RAM
(!) Please keep it that light use on resources
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(2) Opera Next, Windows XP Pro and windows 7 on Acer Aspire One A150-Bb
(3) Opera Next, OpenSUSE AMILO Pro V2010 Edition Intel Celeron M 370 1.50 GHz with 2GB RAM
(!) Please keep it that light use on resources
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<a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=158493">Hashcash</a>
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Will Peregrine build come with the smart card support?
Oh it's really about time to implement this important security feature in Opera.
In two weeks we have national (e-)elections and again I have to use the IE or FF to vote online with my ID-card.
The lack of the smart card support in Opera is really becoming a problem. Most of the people don't want to switch the browser just for logging into their bank accounts or citizen portal. More and more web services (e-banking, e-voting, online ticketing... you name it) use this functionality and practically everyone in our contry has their personal electronic ID-card. Similar kind of smart cards are used worldwide for identification purposes or for digital signatures.
Eh, and the ability to read encrypted e-mails in M2 would also come with the PKCS#11 support...
Oh it's really about time to implement this important security feature in Opera.
In two weeks we have national (e-)elections and again I have to use the IE or FF to vote online with my ID-card.
The lack of the smart card support in Opera is really becoming a problem. Most of the people don't want to switch the browser just for logging into their bank accounts or citizen portal. More and more web services (e-banking, e-voting, online ticketing... you name it) use this functionality and practically everyone in our contry has their personal electronic ID-card. Similar kind of smart cards are used worldwide for identification purposes or for digital signatures.
Eh, and the ability to read encrypted e-mails in M2 would also come with the PKCS#11 support...
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IT MUST BE ADDED TO OPERA!
According to this, Estonian Serticication Centre, or whatever the name is, they had sent the test cards and stuff like it's mentioned in first post in this topic over here AND the link says that there has been Opera Test Build which actually featured the chipcard support! So...?
Luckily there is somekind of Java Applet for sites, which use ID Card, but I don't think this would be used with Banks, the Java Applet I mean.
Opera, you can (and had already once?) do it!
Actually, I'm not even using my ID Card yet, and haven't buyed the ID Card Reader too, but they cost smth around 8 $(U.S Dollars), so I WILL buy one in future, and so WILL most of people.
IT MUST BE ADDED TO OPERA!
According to this, Estonian Serticication Centre, or whatever the name is, they had sent the test cards and stuff like it's mentioned in first post in this topic over here AND the link says that there has been Opera Test Build which actually featured the chipcard support! So...?
Luckily there is somekind of Java Applet for sites, which use ID Card, but I don't think this would be used with Banks, the Java Applet I mean.
Opera, you can (and had already once?) do it!
Actually, I'm not even using my ID Card yet, and haven't buyed the ID Card Reader too, but they cost smth around 8 $(U.S Dollars), so I WILL buy one in future, and so WILL most of people.
It's so evil!
I still have to use that dangerous IE for visiting my bank account, because of this missing smart card reader feature...
This has been asked many times now...
When will we finally get some relevant feedback, please?
I still have to use that dangerous IE for visiting my bank account, because of this missing smart card reader feature...
This has been asked many times now...
When will we finally get some relevant feedback, please?
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You don't really want pkcs11 support as such. The fact that the term and API named pkcs11 exists is a legacy and not a nice thing in itself. You just want to have decent cryptography support provided by the platform - that is cryptoapi on windows (just like IE) and CDSA on apple mac (just like safari) and .. well, yes, lots of hacking and no real solution on Unix - thus the pkcs11 support is useful as well. But then again - the % of people using windows and macs is waaay bigger than chaotic linux/bsd/solaris/minix/ibuildmyown users and the Right Way to approach the problem is to have some infrastructure that would support smartcards (PKI - the last character is for infrastructure. PKCS11 is just an API and thus not appropriate/enough. And you don't want to re-implement the infrastructure that should be common inside a browser (like firefox does AFAIK))
Here here!
Another Estonian begging for proper smartcard support in Opera.
Also, as Opera is great for internet kiosk applications as well, I can see using Opera in some self-service kiosk applications where you identify with our ID-card. Currently such kiosk apps are only done with IE
Another Estonian begging for proper smartcard support in Opera.
Also, as Opera is great for internet kiosk applications as well, I can see using Opera in some self-service kiosk applications where you identify with our ID-card. Currently such kiosk apps are only done with IE
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+1 for ID/smartcard support in Opera. It's the only major browser these days that can't do smartcard authentication. IE, Firefox, Safari are fine on all of their respective platforms. I think Konqueror could do this too.
E-voting, digital signatures, secure government transactions, secure e-banking... just a few things that are done with secure tokens like ID cards. Opera will simply miss the bandwagon if this won't happen, and as this thread says above, many people will need to keep using dual browsers and eventually possibly switching away from Opera.
E-voting, digital signatures, secure government transactions, secure e-banking... just a few things that are done with secure tokens like ID cards. Opera will simply miss the bandwagon if this won't happen, and as this thread says above, many people will need to keep using dual browsers and eventually possibly switching away from Opera.
Now that there is Estonian ID-card based OpenID service we Estonian Opera users really need support for smartcards. Otherwise I'm forced to use other browsers for OpenID enabled sites (if I want to use open.id.ee), and I really don't want to have to do that
Please Opera people, give at least some kind of reply on your plans for this.
Please Opera people, give at least some kind of reply on your plans for this.
"We are dreamers, shapers, singers, makers."
-- Elric the Technomage
-- Elric the Technomage
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◇ OPERA V8.54 (Win NT4) & V9.27 & V9.52[b10108] & V9.62[b10467] & V10[b1413] standard on (Win 98 SE) / (Win NT4) / (Win 2000 pro)
◇◇ UserJavascript "zz-spoof-id"! ◇◇◇ [Thanks for Finally Considering this Petition!] Composing Emails in the HTML Format in Opera
◇◇ UserJavascript "zz-spoof-id"! ◇◇◇ [Thanks for Finally Considering this Petition!] Composing Emails in the HTML Format in Opera
Originally posted by ddrum:
Now that there is Estonian ID-card based OpenID service we Estonian Opera users really need support for smartcards. Otherwise I'm forced to use other browsers for OpenID enabled sites (if I want to use open.id.ee), and I really don't want to have to do that
Please Opera people, give at least some kind of reply on your plans for this.
For the record - this is exactly why open.id.ee is being created - to remove around the requirements. You don't need to have a browser that support smart cards to use open.id.ee. You can use mobile ID instead. You only need to HAVE an eID card to enable the nice open.id.ee URL, but that's not required either.
You can use open.id.ee service in near future (when it reaches public beta stage) with opera, without smart cards.
Originally posted by karel150:
That's what I have done for reasons of certain lacking features in OPERA in favor of Firefox, though not quitting but additionally using FF, a lane opened up by freaky OPERA dev decisions, not understanding how some missing features are driving even long-time OPERA users away from it...I am really considering to quit using opera because of this problem
Sorry, but this is a really annoying stance!
I didn't want to have to use FF, but at least I can now use my banking account to its full extent, and am able to write encrypted business mails...
FF may be clumsy and..., but it's at least allowing that my work is being done!
◇ OPERA V8.54 (Win NT4) & V9.27 & V9.52[b10108] & V9.62[b10467] & V10[b1413] standard on (Win 98 SE) / (Win NT4) / (Win 2000 pro)
◇◇ UserJavascript "zz-spoof-id"! ◇◇◇ [Thanks for Finally Considering this Petition!] Composing Emails in the HTML Format in Opera
◇◇ UserJavascript "zz-spoof-id"! ◇◇◇ [Thanks for Finally Considering this Petition!] Composing Emails in the HTML Format in Opera
I agree that smart card support should be a high priority now that 9.5 is stable. I think 9.5 is an excellent browser, the best on both Windows and Mac platforms. Switching to FF makes you instantly wonder how slow a browser is supposed to be (not to mention evil IE).
Sweden and maybe a couple of other nordic countries (Finland?) have EID since many years. I believe Estonia, Sweden and a couple of others were among the first countries to adopt this technology. Unfortunately, I think we have lost some momentum in Sweden. One reason being the crazy situation that our national ID cards have the chip, but noone provides the service to activate an EID on it.
Opera Product Management, please implement smart card support!
Thomas Å.
Sweden and maybe a couple of other nordic countries (Finland?) have EID since many years. I believe Estonia, Sweden and a couple of others were among the first countries to adopt this technology. Unfortunately, I think we have lost some momentum in Sweden. One reason being the crazy situation that our national ID cards have the chip, but noone provides the service to activate an EID on it.
Opera Product Management, please implement smart card support!
Thomas Å.
+1 from Bulgaria.
Its called Universal Electronic Signature here and is being used for a lot of things, including taxes, personal banking, etc.
Looking at this wishlist, I think half of Europe wants this. Hey Opera, følg med, please!
Its called Universal Electronic Signature here and is being used for a lot of things, including taxes, personal banking, etc.
Looking at this wishlist, I think half of Europe wants this. Hey Opera, følg med, please!
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Proper support for smartcards is needed. I can use my ID card even in K-Meleon but not in Opera. Why are so many requests ignored?
Proper support for smartcards is needed. I can use my ID card even in K-Meleon but not in Opera. Why are so many requests ignored?
As all previous members of the forum,
i think that PKCS#11 (cryptoki) support is very important to use for authenticate and single sign-on on smartcard but also other cryptographic tokens supports (card, usb etc...).
Opera 10.0 should include this functionnality because more and more sites use strong encryption and users want to get one authentication system usable everywhere and always with them ( such an usb key).
I don't want to use IE, firefox, chrome with my token. I want Opera.
Hope Opera team could achieve this goal, soon.
i think that PKCS#11 (cryptoki) support is very important to use for authenticate and single sign-on on smartcard but also other cryptographic tokens supports (card, usb etc...).
Opera 10.0 should include this functionnality because more and more sites use strong encryption and users want to get one authentication system usable everywhere and always with them ( such an usb key).
I don't want to use IE, firefox, chrome with my token. I want Opera.
Hope Opera team could achieve this goal, soon.
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I'm from Finland and we too have had smart cards for some time now (10+ years). It would be nice if I could use goverment's services with Opera. Now I have to dig up Firefox for that. Also, e-mail signing and crypting is a much needed feature. At the moment I need to use thunderbird for that as M2 is lacking...
I'm from Finland and we too have had smart cards for some time now (10+ years). It would be nice if I could use goverment's services with Opera. Now I have to dig up Firefox for that. Also, e-mail signing and crypting is a much needed feature. At the moment I need to use thunderbird for that as M2 is lacking...
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