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Opera 9.20 "Detach" tab option removed?
I downloaded and installed the new Opera release - 9.20 but when I went to detach my "read mail" tab, the detach option did not appear in the right-click menu clicking on the tab. Has that facility been removed?If it has, it will be very unwelcome for me as I have really liked having the mail part of Opera as a separate detached window. I have reverted to version 9.10 for now.
I'd like to hear if anyone knows anything about this.
Thanks,
Henry.
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I don't recall a Detach option being there in the past, either. You might have been using a custom toolbar setup, in which case you need to either switch to using it again (Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Toolbars) or create another one.
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Try dragging and dropping the tab to a area with no target (title bar works good as does the desktop), that detaches the tab as well... Though I seem to be unable to re-attach them. Solution there being to close it and re-open it if I want it back as a tab (not much of a solution)
If you choose "Restore" from the tab's turns it back into an MDI style window constrained to the opera window that you can maximize back into being a tab... but that's not quite the same thing as detach.
I do it with 9.1 and my transfers and e-mail windows, moving them to one of my other displays...
If you choose "Restore" from the tab's turns it back into an MDI style window constrained to the opera window that you can maximize back into being a tab... but that's not quite the same thing as detach.
I do it with 9.1 and my transfers and e-mail windows, moving them to one of my other displays...
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Originally posted by deathshadow:
hough I seem to be unable to re-attach them.
Use the windows panel, drag the detached tab back under one of the Opera windows.
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Originally posted by jp10558:
Originally posted by deathshadow:
hough I seem to be unable to re-attach them.
Use the windows panel, drag the detached tab back under one of the Opera windows.
Windows Panel? - Aha, a panel that is disabled by default that I never bothered to enable. Gotcha. Ok, that works.
But then, I don't tend to USE the panels so...
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It said detatch before now it says, "duplicate", which is just like detach. It opens the tab in a new window.
Originally posted by itsmybrowser:
It said detatch before now it says, "duplicate", which is just like detach. It opens the tab in a new window.
That is NOT what detach did - that just makes a copy of the existing tab in a new tab. Detach let you change a tab into a window that could be dragged OUTSIDE the Opera program window - like to another display on a multi-monitor system or to somewhere else on the desktop if you aren't running the browser maximized.
Entirely different thing. Drag and drop a tab to your desktop, you'll see what we're talking about.
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lol my way is better. when you remove the tab from the page its gone forever.
all your drag and drop does is if you use the main tab to drag it off, it creates a blank gray tab, then you need to hit new tab any ways.
if you drag and drop a second tab, it detaches itself completely, duplicating itself, but leaving out the common browsing tools.
if you do it my way, hit duplicate, it creates a duplicate tab thats detatched, yet retains the tab in the main window.
so in the end, duplicate and drag and drop may not be technically the same,however, duplicate does the same thing in essence as drag and drop AND as a detatch, since you do not even have to reattach it when you are done.
all your drag and drop does is if you use the main tab to drag it off, it creates a blank gray tab, then you need to hit new tab any ways.
if you drag and drop a second tab, it detaches itself completely, duplicating itself, but leaving out the common browsing tools.
if you do it my way, hit duplicate, it creates a duplicate tab thats detatched, yet retains the tab in the main window.
so in the end, duplicate and drag and drop may not be technically the same,however, duplicate does the same thing in essence as drag and drop AND as a detatch, since you do not even have to reattach it when you are done.
13. April 2007, 23:03:01 (edited)
Huh? That makes no sense and has NOTHING to do with how Opera behaves.
A. the 'duplicate' tab is still attached to the tab bar. The page is NOT detached from Opera's program window.
B. I'm not sure what you mean by 'creates a blank grey' - what it does is detach the tab and it's corresponding page from the tab bar and makes it a separate window/entity.
I really don't think you understand what we are talking about here... Suspecting language barrier.
Two screencaps to illustrate:
Before detaching the tab. (323K)
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/before_detach.jpg
After detaching the tab (390K)
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/after_detach.jpg
All duplicate does is create another tab identical to the one you are currently in STILL ATTACHED TO THE TAB BAR AND OPERA WINDOW - it does not detach the page from the current window AT ALL - so that has NOTHING to do with this conversation.
Which, the ability to detach some windows like Transfers, bookmarks, etc is really handy when your desktop is 4480x1200 spanning three monitors is REALLY handy... and on the programming side is likely a leftover from the pre-tab MDI days.
A. the 'duplicate' tab is still attached to the tab bar. The page is NOT detached from Opera's program window.
B. I'm not sure what you mean by 'creates a blank grey' - what it does is detach the tab and it's corresponding page from the tab bar and makes it a separate window/entity.
I really don't think you understand what we are talking about here... Suspecting language barrier.
Two screencaps to illustrate:
Before detaching the tab. (323K)
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/before_detach.jpg
After detaching the tab (390K)
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/after_detach.jpg
All duplicate does is create another tab identical to the one you are currently in STILL ATTACHED TO THE TAB BAR AND OPERA WINDOW - it does not detach the page from the current window AT ALL - so that has NOTHING to do with this conversation.
Which, the ability to detach some windows like Transfers, bookmarks, etc is really handy when your desktop is 4480x1200 spanning three monitors is REALLY handy... and on the programming side is likely a leftover from the pre-tab MDI days.
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13. April 2007, 23:14:16 (edited)
well the grey screen was me detatching the main tab. It goes grey heh.
I know whats goign on and I explained it, I see your picture there, it was detatched yes and now missing from the tab bar.
But duplicate does the same thing, just leaves the tab on the tab bar as well.
Thats why I said technically, no not the same, but in essence they are the same in that having the tab in a new window.
what is the difference if it stays on the main window tab or not? Maybe I'm missing something here, I just don't see a big difference.
I know whats goign on and I explained it, I see your picture there, it was detatched yes and now missing from the tab bar.
But duplicate does the same thing, just leaves the tab on the tab bar as well.
Thats why I said technically, no not the same, but in essence they are the same in that having the tab in a new window.
what is the difference if it stays on the main window tab or not? Maybe I'm missing something here, I just don't see a big difference.
Originally posted by itsmybrowser:
But duplicate does the same thing, just leaves the tab on the tab bar as well.
I've never had duplicate make them a separate WINDOW from Opera. It just makes a new tab and PAGE that is still attached to the program window.
two more screen shots: duplicate before and after.
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/before_duplicate.jpg
http://battletech.hopto.org/images/opera/after_duplicate.jpg
See the difference? The duplicated tab is still a tab, with it's corresponding page still ATTACHED to the opera program window. It is not a separate second WINDOW from the opera master window - which is what 'DETACH' MEANS.
Also, there is no duplicate for Transfers or Bookmarks, because there can only be ONE instance of each of those.
Duplicate just makes a copy, it does not detach the page window from opera as it's own separate window.
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"Duplicate" will duplicate the current page to include it's history, within the same window in Opera. The function has nothing to do with "Detach".
To "Detach" a page I typically use a button that can be found here, http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=88803
To "Detach" a page I typically use a button that can be found here, http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=88803
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For the record - though a search should have found this explained previously - due to a bug in 9.10, the Windows version of Opera was showing options that are only supposed to be shown in other versions. One example was the Detach option when you right-click on a tab, another would be the Open folder item when you right-click on a transfer in the Transfers tab. (Both of those items are shown in Linux.) A third example was that if you had enabled Show window menu in Preferences > Advanced > Browsing, you actually had 2 Window menus (the second one was for the Mac platform).
Opera 9.20 fixes this bug, so you no longer see any of those - unless of course you edit your menu to re-enable them.
Opera 9.20 fixes this bug, so you no longer see any of those - unless of course you edit your menu to re-enable them.
Thanks for all the information on this.
Dragging a tab to the desktop seems to do what the "Detach" command did - so I can use that and it works fine.
However, I don't understand why the Detach command was removed from the tab menu - I probably would never have found this function in the first place without that detach menu item - and I find the mail application window feels better to use as a detached window.
Dragging a tab to the desktop seems to do what the "Detach" command did - so I can use that and it works fine.
However, I don't understand why the Detach command was removed from the tab menu - I probably would never have found this function in the first place without that detach menu item - and I find the mail application window feels better to use as a detached window.
I'm not concerned with the detach (its not something I use) but I did use the open folder option on transfers.
I must say it is a little odd removing things from the menus as soon as people have got used to them (even if it was a mistake to have them there in the first place).
Where can I go to add them (or just the open folder option) back in?
Thanks
I must say it is a little odd removing things from the menus as soon as people have got used to them (even if it was a mistake to have them there in the first place).
Where can I go to add them (or just the open folder option) back in?
Thanks
well, I couldn't find the 'detach' on the menu (right click on any tab) after I upgraded to from 9.10 to 9.20. I kinda like the 'detach' thing (in 9.10) to appear in the menu because it saves me time to restore the window, then drag the tab out to actually detach the page.
So, Im up to Opera's forum and hell I found few people got annoyed by this as well =)
To sum up things:
1.) Opera 9.10 has 'Detach' and 'Duplicate' on the menu. They both serve different purpose
2.) Opera 9.20 only has 'Duplicate'. 'Detach' is no longer appeared in the menu ... doh !
According to sgunhouse, this is because the 'Detach' is a bug in 9.10 and it shouldn't be shown to public. So it got fixed in 9.20. This is kinda sad because I really like it on the menu, it saves time for me to do the drag and drop thing !
So, Im up to Opera's forum and hell I found few people got annoyed by this as well =)
To sum up things:
1.) Opera 9.10 has 'Detach' and 'Duplicate' on the menu. They both serve different purpose
2.) Opera 9.20 only has 'Duplicate'. 'Detach' is no longer appeared in the menu ... doh !
According to sgunhouse, this is because the 'Detach' is a bug in 9.10 and it shouldn't be shown to public. So it got fixed in 9.20. This is kinda sad because I really like it on the menu, it saves time for me to do the drag and drop thing !
Originally posted by peteremcc:
See "Open folder" in Transfers right click menu.Where can I go to add them (or just the open folder option) back in?
Originally posted by ahkuan:
If you don't know how to edit menu setup see this. Add the following under [Pagebar Item Popup Menu]I couldn't find the 'detach' on the menu (right click on any tab) after I upgraded to from 9.10 to 9.20.
Item, 69884 = Detach page
Detach is only needed in linux cause you can't drag the tabs.
in windows you can just drag a tab en it dettaching.
This button was just a mistake
in windows you can just drag a tab en it dettaching.
This button was just a mistake
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15. April 2007, 01:08:15 (edited)
To Deathshadow
well, i do know what you are taliign about now, but it works different for me, since when I hit duplicate it creates the copied tab in a new window and detaches itself.
Maybe its a setting? i do not know, but all I do knwo is that detach and duplicate work the same exact way for me except for one minor difference. the drag and drop takes the tab off the main window, while duplicate creates a new window but keeps the tab in the main window as well.
screen shots to come later, right now im on *coughfirefoxcough* right now.
EDIT: Screensshots as promised:
Before duplicate
After Duplicate
As you can see, my duplicate works exactly like detatch, except for the tab which stays in the main window as well. Why we have differing experience with this, I cannot fathom.
Originally posted by itsmybrowser:
As you can see, my duplicate works exactly like detatch, except for the tab which stays in the main window as well. Why we have differing experience with this, I cannot fathom.
I think that window is just not maximized, and not detached... If you shrink the browser down to half your screeen size, can you drag that window outside of opera's program window (not by the tab, but by it's title bar)
If it doesn't let you move the mouse and that sub-window outside the program window, it is not 'detached', it's an MDI window... which just means your new tab didn't open maximized.
At least, that's what it looks like from here.
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it opens fully maximized, i resized it so you could see. its literally a whole new browser window. it is deffinatley detatched. I cam move it around any where I want.
For a "Full Detach" where the current tab is moved to is own (proper) new Window you may like to create a custom button. (See http://nontroppo.org/tools/buttonmaker/)
My custom button does the following in 1 click:
1) Copy current address
2) Create new browser window
3) Paste and Go.
4) Remove tab from the original window.
This launches your tab in a separate window which is especially useful if you have 2 monitors.
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My custom button does the following in 1 click:
1) Copy current address
2) Create new browser window
3) Paste and Go.
4) Remove tab from the original window.
This launches your tab in a separate window which is especially useful if you have 2 monitors.
(Sorry, I dont know how to send my ccustom button)
16. April 2007, 16:50:42 (edited)
I search in my standard_menu.ini file for Detach and found they item exists but its for linux specific platforms. I changed it and it yay! It now shows the detach option.
But, another key function of this, was Reattach. This allowed you to attach it back to the main Opera window without the needing of panels.
I think in 9.1 it was called Reattach. Anyone know of the Item menu command i can add to get this enabled?
But, another key function of this, was Reattach. This allowed you to attach it back to the main Opera window without the needing of panels.
I think in 9.1 it was called Reattach. Anyone know of the Item menu command i can add to get this enabled?
I miss the "detach" command from the right-click menu, as well. Yes, I guess I can drag the tab down to the taskbar or something (and I will), but it really doesn't make a lot of sense to hide this command in Windows. Surely no one who is unfamiliar with Opera will really think to try this drag and drop behavior? That's not very intuitive, imo.
I miss the "detach" command from the right-click menu too... I agree 100% with BAMAToNE!
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Hi itsmybrowser,
I think what you're missing here is the interest of a detached tab that's outside of the window. Because Deathshadow is right; what you've done is simply reopen the same page in another tab and then reduce the size of the tab contents.
Having the ability to detach the tab from the window may be useful for many situations, because a seperate window is easier to find than a particular tab when you have a lot of tabs open. Hhoffman, for example, said he prefers his email tab to be separated from the main window. I'm sure that's because he can go directly to that window instead of searching for the email tab.
Do you see what I mean? Detaching and duplicating serve two different purposes: Detaching allows you to isolate a particular tab content from the main window, which can be advantagous in many situations; duplicating, well, duplicates a tab's contents. That can be useful as well but the goal of duplicating is not the same as the goal of detaching.
I think what you're missing here is the interest of a detached tab that's outside of the window. Because Deathshadow is right; what you've done is simply reopen the same page in another tab and then reduce the size of the tab contents.
Having the ability to detach the tab from the window may be useful for many situations, because a seperate window is easier to find than a particular tab when you have a lot of tabs open. Hhoffman, for example, said he prefers his email tab to be separated from the main window. I'm sure that's because he can go directly to that window instead of searching for the email tab.
Do you see what I mean? Detaching and duplicating serve two different purposes: Detaching allows you to isolate a particular tab content from the main window, which can be advantagous in many situations; duplicating, well, duplicates a tab's contents. That can be useful as well but the goal of duplicating is not the same as the goal of detaching.
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