Can't get to MSN.com in Opera...only in IE

Can't get to MSN.com in Opera...only in IE

Today is first day...anyone else?

Re: Can't get to MSN.com in Opera...only in IE

Originally posted by TLuallen
Today is first day...anyone else?

fine for me

cg

glad to hear it isn't a sneaky msn thing.

Two of us here at work using O7 get a network traffic error when trying to get on msn.com

Both of us can get to msn.com with IE...

We've been using O7 for months without too many problems...and thought this was very unusual.

I'll be damned! Same here, I got an error message that said this when I tried to use opera:

"Sorry, due to heavy traffic on the network, the page you're trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.

You can:
Wait a few minutes and try again.
Click your browser's Refresh button now to try reconnecting.
Click your browser's Back button to return to the previous page.

Error type 500 - Server Too Busy"

Then I opened IE, and no problem at all! If the server is to busy, that message should have been shown in IE too, right??

I just loaded the page 10 tens times in a row with Opera ID'd as Opera

cg

Originally posted by closet geek
I just loaded the page 10 tens times in a row with Opera ID'd as Opera

cg

That means that you had no problem with it?

this is what is causing it
go to http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx

see source of www.msn.com from IE.....

<script type="text/javascript">var bSearch=true;var L_H_TEXT="For help using the MSN Home page, click a topic.";var H_KEY="hm_reach";var H_TOPIC="";var H_BURL="http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx";var L_H_APP="www.msn.com";var H_URL_BASE="http://help.msn.com/en_us";var H_CONFIG="msncomv8.ini";window.name="msncomv8";</script>

then see
javascript at http://i.msn.com/m/8/j/helppane17b.js

they are doing it on purpose

Originally posted by Klinx
this is what is causing it
go to http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx

see source of www.msn.com from IE.....

<script type="text/javascript">var bSearch=true;var L_H_TEXT="For help using the MSN Home page, click a topic.";var H_KEY="hm_reach";var H_TOPIC="";var H_BURL="http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx";var L_H_APP="www.msn.com";var H_URL_BASE="http://help.msn.com/en_us";var H_CONFIG="msncomv8.ini";window.name="msncomv8";</script>

then see
javascript at http://i.msn.com/m/8/j/helppane17b.js

they are doing it on purpose

cg

p.s. they don't seem to mind the geek loading it

function DoHelp(iNm) {
var sQP='?',W,H,sWD,sc=screen.width,bIE4PC;
var agent = navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
var app = navigator.appName.toLowerCase();
....snip....
else {
if (!iNm == null) sHWName+=iNm;
....snip....
if (bIE4PC && h_win!=null && !h_win.closed) h_win.location.replace(H_BURL+sQP)
else h_win=window.open(H_BURL+sQP,H_TARG,sWD);

and at www.msn.com
var H_BURL="http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx

Originally posted by closet geek


cg

p.s. they don't seem to mind the geek loading it

perhaps Geek is a M$ spy!!!

Originally posted by TLuallen
perhaps Geek is a M$ spy!!!

you will be assimilated, use IE now NOW! all hail Bill the almighty *bows down*



cg

I vote we kick the spy off the forums, I always was suspicious of him....

Originally posted by MrBOFH
I vote we kick the spy off the forums, I always was suspicious of him....

cg a SPY??? What has the world come to...

Originally posted by MrBOFH
I vote we kick the spy off the forums, I always was suspicious of him....

Impossible my son impossible... nothing you can do to stop me posting, banning means nowt to the geek with his box of spy tools

cg

I'm getting it to notice the time in the systray:
[img]http://home.mchsi.com/~compuknight/graphics/opera.JPG
[img]http://home.mchsi.com/~compuknight/graphics/MS_IE.JPG

I sent an e-mail to the webmaster curious to see what they say

This is weird!

Can't get into msn at all in opera whatever I ID as, but firebird gets in straight away.

Also, I can't get into xbox.com IDing as opera, I just get "sending request..." over and over again, but no actual page. But again, firebird is fine.

Originally posted by Ian
Also, I can't get into xbox.com IDing as opera, I just get "sending request..." over and over again, but no actual page. But again, firebird is fine.

the xbox thing is the most blatant of all M$ crap towards Opera. It puts you into an infinite loop if you ID as Opera & they don't even try & hide the fact they're doing this

cg

Originally posted by Ian
This is weird!

Can't get into msn at all in opera whatever I ID as, but firebird gets in straight away.

Also, I can't get into xbox.com IDing as opera, I just get "sending request..." over and over again, but no actual page. But again, firebird is fine.

WTF Ian are you using Opera without Opera featuring in the Identstring? If so that must mean MSN are trying real hard to shut out Opera

cg

I can get into xbox IDing as anything except opera or mozilla 3, but msn will not let me enter its hallowed portals even if I use my opera-less MSIE string.

What about you? Both sites okay for you?

WTF Ian are you using Opera without Opera featuring in the Identstring? If so that must mean MSN are trying real hard to shut out Opera cg

cg i set identify as mozilla5.0 MSIE6.0 and opera but MS has blocked opera from using their sites

But I can get into msn in opera 6 IDing as opera

How perverse... I get the same issue. O7 identifying as Op or IE I get "Sorry try later, server too busy" going to MSN.com. IE sitting right beside it can go in no problem. Refreshing both browsers repeatedly and IE loads everytime, Op shows that every time.

This is pretty pathetic...


edit to add: the fun game to play is visit iding as Op xbox.com and while it goes into it's looping frenzy ctrl-alt-i to id as IE... and strangely enough the loop stops. why do they even bother?

Gotta love M$! (cg does)

So the war of M$ and Opera has come into a newer phase - before - Hotmail/MSN - were with different html-code and now Opera is totally blocked by them! 2 weeks ago I was able to visit Hotmail/MSN without any limitations, even IDing as Opera. But, I know now that they needed some period of time to implement this bloody feature.

I guess, Hotmail just started working with Opera again - just checked my e-mail account - but still cannot visit msn for testing purposes.

Microsoft must have felt really threatened with Opera 7.11

P.S. I wonder why people visit MSN in the first place. I have Internet for 3 years and I never needed or wanted to visit that site.

If you absolutly have to go to MSN start at http://my.msn.com/ then sign in....
The problem is with the browser sniffer jawascript.

Opera is NOT singled out!! Nor is Opera included.

So you get re-directed to MSN HELL
aka http://www.msn.com/panehelp.armx

I'm sure that MSN will fix the problem in a month or two

Does this make any sense-?----I can get in ok every time with 7.03 but never with 7.11

Oh no not this crap again, now there saying its busy, but its not, there blocking opera. Microsoft wants a lawsuit !!!! haha

Xbox.com does an eternal loop for me, IDing as MSIE with the opera tag removed makes it work however. I don't have the Opera flagged IE tag anymore so I cannot test it.

msn.com is broke.

I think someone accidently broke something like last time in Microsoft Land.

While the xbox site is in its loop, If you change from IDing as opera to IDing as mozilla, you get this:

Xbox.com Site Requirements

We built Xbox.com to work well with a variety of browsers and web applications. But we have a vision for the site that mirrors the thinking behind Xbox - use cutting-edge technology to give you the best experiences possible. For that reason we have a list of recommended applications with links to get them installed quickly, and at no cost to you.

From the end user simply browsing content on the Web, to the IT administrator deploying and maintaining a rich set of Windows Internet technologies, to the Web developer creating rich Web content, Internet Explorer 6 provides the freedom to experience the best of the Internet.

So is Geek still the ONLY Opera user able to get on msn? What is up with your machine/soft config, CG?

??? I can't connect with www.msn.com from my desktop PC running W2K and Opera 7.10 but I *can* connect from my notebook computer, also running W2K and Opera 7.10.

Just noticed that on my PC, the Sun Java Runtime Environment version 1.4.1_01. On my notebook, it's 1.4.1. Don't know if that's significant, but I don't have time to compare the environments in detail. Ah well, I don't normally visit www.msn.com anyway.

Bugger them anyway lol

I just set up Opera to reload msn.com every second (the error page suggests refreshing). I have images off, though because I don't want MS to get any ad money if I eventually get on. Still, it's a waste of their bandwidth.

Originally posted by boxhead
I just set up Opera to reload msn.com every second (the error page suggests refreshing). I have images off, though because I don't want MS to get any ad money if I eventually get on. Still, it's a waste of their bandwidth.

Good idea I'll do that too. I can leave it on for nights in multiple windows and so on (I think I should turn off transparent proxy - w3cache of my ISP because it can reduce the load or something).

I use Opera 7.10 and hotmail with no problems, but I too get the 'Error type 500' from http://msn.com. Like most everyone here, I don't ever go to msn.com anyhow. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but this stuff REALLY annoys me. (BTW, http://www.xbox.com worked fine for me).

I just sent an email to MSN

Hello,
I just want to say that I think that MSN is the worst portal I have ever visited. I visited msn.com because a friend recommended that I do so. However, every time I attempt to load the site, all I see is a page that says:

****************************************** ************************************************
Sorry, due to heavy traffic on the network, the page you're trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.
You can: Wait a few minutes and try again.
Click your browser's Refresh button now to try reconnecting.
Click your browser's Back button to return to the previous page.

Error type 500 - Server Too Busy
****************************************** ************************************************

The page also contained an image that was linked to the exact same page.

The first time I saw this page, I thought it really was an error. However, I have conferred with certain acquaintances who have told me that msn.com is working properly. Furthermore, I have attempted to reload the page many times without any improvement. I always receive the same page. Thus, I have little choice but to conclude that this is the entire MSN portal.

Please explain to me why anybody would use MSN. I understand that some people are easily amused, but clicking on a picture of a butterfly gets boring pretty fast for just about everyone. Maybe I would like it better if something interesting would happen when I clicked the butterfly. It would be really cool if the butterfly would fly away or something. Also, did it occur to you that people might like your site better if it had some actual content (other than an error message)? I know it sounds difficult, but the vast majority of internet portals are this way.

Thus, I must regretfully inform you that your business strategy is seriously flawed. Because a portal such as yours will inevitably fail unless it is significantly improved, I will provide you with this link where you can purchase bankrupcy software: http://www.freshstart.com/. You'll thank me later.

I hope that my advice has been useful to you. If this is the case, please do not hesitate to contact me about compensating me for my services.

This is really strange, I can access MSN with Opera 6.03 and 7.11 but it's a no go with 7.10! I don't use the MSN portal either but I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen. I can also access xbox with 7.11. I didn't try 7.10 or 6.03.

I have having problems logging into passport for the past couple days, regardless of the the browser. I think its an issue with the site.

Originally posted by michmaj
Microsoft must have felt really threatened with Opera 7.11

P.S. I wonder why people visit MSN in the first place. I have Internet for 3 years and I never needed or wanted to visit that site.

Excellant point!

MSN= Most S*itty Network

I don't have any problems getting there (not that I would want to)

I go to http://my.msn.com and there is no problem, and my Msn Passport works just fine.. (not that I ever use it)

Bill Gates is probably sitting at home right now...
refreshing this thread over and over and over and....
just laughing his ass off

"Sorry, due to heavy traffic on the network, the page you're trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.

msn experiencing heavy traffic? ridiculous!

MSN Incompetence

This message should reveal what's going on, and how you can fix it.

For those who won't bother reading the link, the problem is that the msn.com webserver doesn't handle the Accept Language HTTP header sent by Opera.

Workaround: Open opera6.ini, remove the ";q=1.0", change:

[Adv User Prefs]
HTTP Accept Language=en;q=1.0,no;q=0.9

so that it says

[Adv User Prefs]
HTTP Accept Language=en,no;q=0.9

Oh, its MSN still sending that bogus css to Opera users that places letters before the margin, etc to make it appear opera can't render the page correctly?

That does seem to solve the problem (not that it's really a problem--I never go there anyway).

I reloaded msn.com an estimated 30,000 times earlier today.

Sample page

Just so yall know what it looks like (for those of you who can see it) MSN.

Grrrr

Forgive me for my ignorance, but why would anyone want to visit msn.com?

no reason actually, but it shows just what Microsoft will do. There's no reason to think that www.microsoft.com may decide to do this one day, or any other Microsoft controlled site either.

Virtuelvis's solution worked great.

I see there is an accept language option in the ini, is there one for accept document so I can add XML and such to it?