My tangent against all the ungrateful people here

My tangent against all the ungrateful people here

Ok well, let me start on saying WOW. A lot of people are really ungrateful about Opera Mini.

I used to own an operate several game servers, creating code from scratch for server side programming. These servers cost money to run, but we didnt charge people. most other servers, including the official servers would charge an arm n a leg. WE didn't but everyone was so ungrateful if there server went down just for a few minutes, or there were any bugs/glitches. they didn't even seem to care THERE NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING.

Anyways, with that in mind. Why is everyone complaining about features and bugs of OM4 FINAL. Quite franky i think it is just juvenile. These guys worked ther @$$es off. Harder than ANY of you have probably worked, but you still complain.
"im just going to Teashark" - ok that peice of shit program cant even load on my phone, not to mention most phones.
"whats with no new features" - hmmm well lemme think. Bookmarks, Speed dial, ok i grant a lot of browsers have that (well at least my BB browser had bookmarks) but name 1 other browser for java-based phones that can easily run with a VERY low file size that has FULL SCREEN VIEWING BESIDES Safari for the iPhone.

Opera supports alot of javascript (not all, but since its enough i am happy)
Full desktop viewing. that is amazing. Not even the Blackberry has created a true full screen yet (supposedly 4.3.1os is supposed to upgrade the browser)

Ok, there might be some bugs, but this browser is not even a year old i dont think. Opera 4 Devs has been PRESSURED BY YOU to work harder and ADD MORE THINGS and RELEASE FASTER. I admit i did want some features that were not added, but ya know what, i am happy with the product, its amazing, and nothing else like it.

But ALL OF YOU! Quit complaining please. If you think you can do better, do i, publish it and see if we like it, because i seriously doubt you can. These guys have done an amazing thing for FREE. FREE. FREE. Do any of you get that? FREE.

If you have a bug, post it and see if Opera can fix it. If you have a problem with the program not running, post it, maybe it can be fixed. If you are here to complain about it not being perfect. that it doesn't have enough features. then GET OUTA HERE. Thats what i felt when i ran servers, if you wanted to complain and yell and scream and have a pissfit, i didn't care, at all.

Ps. if your gonna post a bug, be calm and nice about it. How would YOU like it if someone went up to you saying

WTF YOUR PRODUCT HAS (so and so bug). It F***king sucks! BLAH BLAH (cry cry cry). FIX IT!

Just say how about...

Topic: Bug when (blah)
Message:
When i do (this) it seems i get (a specific error). Any word on any fixes?

Thanks.

hey, that sure looks good

Anyways..

Thats my tangent.

Thanks for reading,

Evan

EDIT:

Oh and btw, i DO NOT work for Opera, just a courteous user who is tired of peeps complaining..

Man, open bug trackers can be some scary stuff...
And they make such good bar stories sometimes.

Originally posted by TheAtilla:

Man, open bug trackers can be some scary stuff...
And they make such good bar stories sometimes.

True! We get a good laugh from time to time!

Anything that allows people to post comments on a virtual media has an inheritly degrading potential.

Oh wait ... this is a forum .. *hides*

Originally posted by ManneS:

LOL! This is so funny! You should have seen some of the bug reports from people about what they think of Opera Mini, and what they want to do to my family! Yes, I'm serious! There have been a lot of threats...

Can you post them somewhere so we can laugh? Like RinkWorks' Computer Stupidities or attrition.org/postal/.

I'm having the feeling that's not exactly information that we're allowed to reveal.

:chicken:

Originally posted by grawity:

Can you post them somewhere so we can laugh?

I guess it would rather make you cry than laugh...

Yeah, that too.

Heh, nothing wrong with a little death threat now and again, keeps you on your toes.

One maybe. But not 30.

Originally posted by ManneS:

Originally posted by biggem001:

Ps. if your gonna post a bug, be calm and nice about it. How would YOU like it if someone went up to you saying

WTF YOUR PRODUCT HAS (so and so bug). It F***king sucks! BLAH BLAH (cry cry cry). FIX IT!

LOL! This is so funny! You should have seen some of the bug reports from people about what they think of Opera Mini, and what they want to do to my family! Yes, I'm serious! There have been a lot of threats...

haha, i havn't had any threats upon my family, but sure enough i have the same old people:

"Wow this F-ing sucks! Im gonna kick you a- you stupid c-. (blah blah blah, cry cry cry, bitch,bitch,bitch)

Only way to fix it was in my UNI-SERVER i hosted my main page/forum on, i had a little script inputed:

ALLOW 127.0.0.1
DENY *.*.*.*

solved it

Kind of a "I'm talking to myself, because I need a smart guy to make a conversation with" thing

Originally posted by biggem001:

ALLOW 127.0.0.1
DENY *.*.*.*

best. spam filter. ever.

Originally posted by grawity:

Originally posted by biggem001:

ALLOW 127.0.0.1
DENY *.*.*.*

best. spam filter. ever.

definetly.

Well I'm proof that people are still reading this a month later. So I just wanted to say a couple things too. I was saying "but Opera mini is already doing that" when the iphone came out. made it pretty easy not to be envious.

And although I doubt that the Opera folks made Operamini for entirely altruistic reasons, I am never the less very greatful. How many big buck softwares do we shell out for, that are hopelessly buggy, & have little or no interest in the needs or wants of their consumers? (certain OS's leap to mind) EVERYBODY wants to be acknowledged when they are getting it right and it is obvious that a lot of work and effort has gone into it, regardless of whether it comes out perfect or not. Browsers are a work in progress. Just ask Microsoft. They're constantly working & rarely making progress. (ah but that's another rant.) VAN1 should ask himself whether or not he likes acknowledgment from his boss even though he is being paid for his work.

I am sorry & disappointed that people made threats. People are constantly proving their innate stupidity. About the only things humans have a greater capacity for than stupidity, is ingratitude. My apologizes for the human race.

Lastly I just wanted to say thanks for the links to the former versions of Operamini that led me here. I appreciate your taking the time to do it.

+1 by far the best mobile application i have ever come across. thank you very much to everyone involved in the making of this.

Originally posted by VAN1:

Heh, nothing wrong with a little death threat now and again, keeps you on your toes.

Yes there is - it is illegal and sicko sadistic...

You say that as if it were a _bad_ thing.

Hmm... Well I kind of agree with biggem and van1

There are complaints that are over the top and do come from ungrateful whiners (they tend to threaten to never use Opera again over the most pathetic reasons) but having said that when a user has problem with a product they DO have the right to complain.

Opera Mini is an amazing application, seriously, but it has its faults and it has its flaws - not all of which are Opera's fault and some have an easy workaround (Opera doesn't automatically change case in T9? Well you managed to change it manually so where's the problem?) but I'd like to think the Opera Mini team appreciate polite, concise pointers where they could improve, we are on version 4 and there will be a version 5 in the future, I'm sure

well, first, bug report pages are for reporting bugs, not for sending death threats.
second, when you use a free program, you don't have rights to complain as if you paid hundred$.
third, if it's a phone's problem, Opera guys can't do anything about that.
fourth, if you were a programmer, would you help an user with your program if you get a message: "I HATE DIS CRAP YOU ID10TS IT FUSCKING DOZENT WORK IM GOIMG TO TEASHARK"
I certainly wouldn't.
--

Originally posted by VAN1:

I'M NOT SHOUTING.

I feel sympathatic towards these guys!

*bump*

+1




"no further words required"

Thanks Myeagle. I also considered to bump this thread.

Couldn't agree more with the original poster. I just read the whole thread and I take this opportunity to thank all the great guys who developed this great program for a great price - free that is.

And a word to you, Mr. VAN1 (even your name shouts):
Don't you know how the Opera team gets their money? We all - all the posters but you - chip in twice a week. We PayPal $15 dollars to the developers, and they send us daily breakfast meals. With the rest of the money they hire consultants and specialists on how to torture people like you. They actually go out of their way to make sure that YOU are unsatisfied. They implemented some bugs - especially THE T9 BUG, just to enrage you. They enjoy it. They LOVE to make you angry. Can't you see it? Don't you understand that the whole world is against you, Mr. VAN?

T9 bug? I thought that was my phone!

Originally posted by thefiddler:

They implemented some bugs - especially THE T9 BUG, just to enrage you. They enjoy it. They LOVE to make you angry. Can't you see it? Don't you understand that the whole world is against you, Mr. VAN?

I this thread.

I'll bet that the O.M. team stays up late thinking up bugs to mess with my head... : paranoid:

@lizil:

Well done indeed for your post - you sum up the essence of this discussion very neatly.

We need to remember that old truism: "To err is human - to really mess things up you need a computer!"

And a big thank you to ManneS, Lunkwill, Okra, Haarvard, and all the team at Opera Mini - I for one really appreciate your efforts, and will continue to maintain that OM is THE BEST browser for mobile devices.

If anyone wants to try a truly abysmal browsing experience, just try the "Evil I" - I think you'll know what I mean - its under "Start > Programs".........!

George

Nice one!

Intereseting, how original text of the author is followed by complete offtopic about some people with no brains or either really bad sence of humour.
However, there are several things I really disaggree in the original post. I must note that I DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT OPERA in particular, nore I think that opera sucks, although I had troubles with it. I just see it as a developer, i work in a company developing PC games, and i know stuff too about bugs and alike.
1. Free is a good excuse. Nope! There are several reasons for that:
a) anything free IS ok to be complained about. A singer singing in the street for free IS ok to hear "I don't like your music" if it is polite and not agressive statement. Because if you do not like complaining - keep your free stuff out of public, give it to your friends, mommy etc even if you sing like pavarotti and write songs like Lennon. If you give it to public - be ready that somebody will deslike it. More to say, in example with singer there is a good point: street is a COMMON place, somebody might take a walk in silence and therefore free singing might be alreay a displease, a sonic pollution.
b) anything free might be not that "free because we kind" and deeply depends on result. Some software companies (this may happen in any other field actually) may do something for free because they don't want to pay testers for example. Of course if you download a free software and agree to lisence agreement - be ready to any twist of the plot, developers owe you NOTHING. Right. However, it is interesting side-effect how people change not only their minds but their PRINCIPLES depending on quality. Many same people who struggle to protect teams like Opera from "stupid, blah, blah, blah" users fail in the next comparement: let's say 10% of opera users experince bugs - then whenever a not polite or "stupid" (anybody see medical papers in the case?) user appears, he is burned by "protectors" who have a lot of examples from their lives; now on the other side let's imagine a competitive browser Pop (or rock;)) where 90% of users experinece bugs - yesterdays fighters for the rules of free software very often say some baaaad words about developers! It happens always! More to say, thay forget their principles and usually create a pressure on the community of "loosers" - i don't mean anybody here (however everybody are suspiciously agreed), but such acting is a pure animal, crowd scenario, a no-brainer. Imagine a free-food in the streets. it's free! Don't like it - do not complain! Feel your perfect pain in the stomack and silently go away!Unfortunately, I'm not sure that it will be quiet possible to give out free food without proper licensing. Know why this doesn't happen in music, books, software? only because food can DEFINITELY do harm to your phisical health. Food is here for ages - software is not. What if ethics will change when we live virtually more and more and people MIGHT start thinking about harm to your mental health or even physical health via special circumstances? An accident where man life somehow depends on smooth operation of some software? Anyway, such glorious days are not here, but there's ethic anyway.
c) anything free might be not that good in reasoning. People might use free software to spy on you, to trick you somehow or any other way.
d) the better your free product gets - the more "moral" responsibility you have. People start to believe that you can help them, solve their problem. Of course still YOU DON'T OWE tham anything, right. But imagine yourself having problems with something and then somebody says: try this! It's good and free! You do and... breakdown. Depending on the case it is natural for you to feel upset and may be even loose control a bit. Everybosy's not perfect and do so from time to time. And it's natural to think that "this particular thing will work for me" just because you've heard so many times that it's good.
So basically, it is really BAD to send life-threatens via bug-report forms:), eah, I agree, but "free" is not a possibility to say "you just keep quiet coz you've got it for free! either help us in our work or ***ing keep quiet!" Don't you see? It's against freedom of speech anyway! And once again for "hot guys" - I do not speak about clinic examples mentioned in this thread above, I'm talking about THE INITIAL TEXT of this thread.
2. Post a bug if you find it. Well, that's a good point, but as opera team doesn't owe me anything since opera is free, I do not owe them my time either! In most software packages sending bug report is usually - guess what? - ONE CLICK! Surely, this usually works for critical bugs causing system crashes only. Not all of minor bugs are that simple. Ok, now what to do with bugs which do not act like bugs at all? Yeah, there are bugs that doesn't cause errors, do not show system messages, do not crash the application, they must be design bugs for examples, the ones that make application not usable. Surely you must use some form of bug-reporting not built in application in any way. Now let's us get down and count what you might do: opera (for example). it's a mobilee application. You CAN install it directly from mobile and you do. Say it's some FINAL version etc. Say even you are stupid to try switching software during some other work in process. And than you get a bug. The one that can prevent you from continuing. Than how many steps you must take? Find another internet device, go to site, nvigate to form, UNDERSTAND it and FILL it and - I can understand that some steps are inavitable, they will happen anyway, but lest just imagine that some user-friendliness is... not that high. You spend your time trying to do something you actually doesn't need to do and you must do it some tricky way. Like people don't want to hear you! I'm sure nobody want's to be ignored in the end.Second thing about bug reporting and "free" product. In many, many, MANY cases free product doesn't mean that people who do it WORK FOR FREE. Bug reporting is, on the other side, a purely, REALLY FREE effort. So in many cases developing a maximum easy way to report a bug is a IMPORTANT PART in work of any company (dealing with *any* bugs). It's a little exchange for the fact that somebody do not just drop the chance but takes his time and helps you in your work.
So sorry, I do not agree with most of your statements. You should work in the field and understand some things differently. Poor psychos who send stupid bug reports doesn't count, but general statements like "free is excuse" and alike look lik - pardon me, no offence - fanatic gibberish which does not meet reality. You seem to like Opera, it's OK. I wonder how often do you "protect" (with topics like that) and report bugs for free software you just use, don't love or like, but just USE and how often you have enough patience?
Thank you, I've read your tangent and felt I wanted to write a responce.

@Promiceus: that wall of text could surely have been shortened down a bit, don't you think?

Too much to read in detail, but caught a couple of things:

First of all, the thread starter is talking about people who just whine for no reason.

as opera team doesn't owe me anything since opera is free, I do not owe them my time either

Except you are using their program and their bandwidth. You are leeching off of their hard work. And still, reporting bugs is completely voluntary.

In most software packages sending bug report is usually - guess what? - ONE CLICK!

Nope, this is not the case at all.

@ Promiceus - You seem to like allegories, so let's have another one. I pointed this thread to you, so blame me. What i felt when reading your first post on this forum was: "Gosh, once again some loony rushing into my favorite restaurant spoiling my appetite. Quite likely he will not come here ever again but I wish him welcome anyway." Personally I don't feel I have became as an member of some crowd. I think I have my personal opinion and my opinion is to not charge into public restaurant (forum in this case) and start yelling: "NOW I'M REALLY MAD! I'M GOING TO BITE SOME HEADS OFF!". If you take that attitude on your first post on public forum (or restaurant), then what do you expect? Quite likely someone either starts yelling back or say something sarcastic like: "Ah, the yesterdays bug soup actually looked suspicious. I'm glad I didn't take that."

Like I said, blame me if your entry into this forum (public restaurant) was not what you expected. I just tried to to be polite and give you at least something in return. You could have made a very different approach, you know? By being calm and explain two following things would have been nice: 1) Bug report system clearly needs to be improved, and 2) You have a phone where you don't have joystick but some stylus pen, and therefore using OM4.1's URL field is impossible (or is that the case?).

What comes to bug reports, I actually totally agree with you. Opera Mini users should have something better. They should be told they don't need to fill in some details if their feedback concern all the versions. However, I still wonder why you claimed so, because I understood you have a problem only with 4.1. And if you don't know the whole serial number, then just don't fill it. Personally I feel no problems not filling in something I don't understand or even lie a little if I have to (in case the form field must be filled).

Then the case of your second, primary problem. If you rush into forum and expect help (I still wonder if you want some help or not), then please describe your problem in details. Most of the people around here are end-users just like you. Do not expect us to know how your phone work. I was curious enough and searched for your phone model and was surprised to see there's no joystick to click down and select 'Insert symbol' into URL field. Or am I right in this?

Finally, what comes to Biggem001's post, which I suggested for you to read (and I really did not mean the whole thread), my idea was just to show you another point of view. I partly agree that freeware is not an excuse. But I also think in very same way as you told in your last post. Customer (or end user) has the freedom of choice. You can yell, or stop using the software or freeware, or be polite and try to find a solution, or do whatever you like, but so does all the other customers and end users! Personally I believe only in constructive and polite way of giving feedback. And believe me, I have learned this by hard way (being impolite and not so constructive).

Now you have at least two options: 1) Stop using OM and find a better one, or 2) continue giving well formulated and constructive feedback on this forum. You can try persuade Opera Mini team to improve their bug report system or just find solution for your primary problem.

+84 I love Opera mini and mobile. Opera mini 4.2 is my favourite browser and I have never had a problem with it and it outperforms every other web browser I have used. I hate people complaining asking for flash and GPS to be on the next update when thats for some other company to deal with also Opera would say if they were going to put them on. Beta means still in the testing stage so obviously it wont be perfect. The only web browser I have ever seen with a website that has a community where you can meet people and it even has help and support forums. I love the Opera community and the blog feature is awesome. Thank you Opera team. Operas for life not just for christmas

for simplying things up, if you want to use operamini n find a or some bugs in it: JUST REPORT IN THE THREATH just don't yelling or complaining as if ur phone wreck because of the software.

if u just want to try n feel not comfortable with the gui or something in the product, JUST DELETE IT, because it is not publish on public, but it is publish in ur phone of ur own. the only person who will be piss off is only you n ur phone. so u'd better to just leave it, no body force u to keep it on ur phone n ur own.

my point is, if u want to help the developer to make things better n right, post ur complain but no whinning.

me myself have still a complaining for no enter effect in on screen edit mode n for a minor difficulties in writing sentences in a right manner, such as auto capital letter in first paragraph n first sentence after . n also changing case, but at least, they provide fullscreen edit mode on the fly, so i feel better now, though i still want my perfect needs, to be auto in both, phone n application.

but im not whinning nor complaining, just suggest if the teams can do more so fans out there can feel satisfies as me. so, it is not wrong for complaining, but it is wrong for judge. who do u think u r for judging software that distributed freely which u also freely to keep nor delete it without wrecking, damaging, messing but pissing u nor ur phone for ur unfamiliar with the software gui n behavior. it is NOTHING TO LOSE.

just take it if u like it with suggestion feedback or leave it if u dont but just dont judge n blame it. it is free, but doesnt mean u also free to whinning, judging n blaming, remember, by clicking install button, means u agree with the terms n conditions the developers team give to u to read it fist.

Originally posted by cautor:

We're grateful but that doesn't mean that we can't tell them about mistakes they've made.

But we must first recognize their achievement then we can tell them the problems we are facing in order to help then identify weak points which they will work onto later in order to improve the browsers. I wish this thread should be reserved for thanksgiving only. BRAVO OPERA TEAM FOR YOUR GOOD WORK.

Originally posted by H82typ:

My bookmarks all disappeared! And I want flash by the next update or I'm going to go to... ummn... The nearest lounge! So there!

Aw! common now, Opera Mini beta 5 do not have flash and alot of people are complaining, including me that it is not running on their device and others are complaining of memory management. Now imagine if it has flash do you think it is going to run on 85% of mobile phones.

As for bigeem001 +10 to you.
Some guys just don't realise that the Opera Mini servers requires super high speed internet connection. Who pays for the servers internet connection you or Opera.
One these days server4 is going to experience a downtime and y'all silly a$$ ungrateful p**ks are going to cry and then you'll realise that "you never know what you have until it's gone".

You're on the verge of necroposting, young man. I made that statement around 4.0b1... Pay attention to the dates, man.

Originally posted by H82typ:

You're on the verge of necroposting, young man. I made that statement around 4.0b1... Pay attention to the dates, man.

Holy crap! November 2007.
Who doesn't look at dates won't notice it. It's just that I've seen to many Flash complaints lately so I thought I'd say something.
Don't take it personal sir.