Help us fix Yahoo Mail!

Help us fix Yahoo Mail!

Many Opera users have contacted us regarding the menus in Yahoo mail
that don't work as they should do. This is not Opera's fault, but it's due to a script that detects Opera.
Go to Yahoo Mail and see: [url]http://mail.yahoo.com/
You have to have an account there. See the menus at the top: Mail, Address, Calendar, Notes
A menu should pop up if you click on the arrows, but this doesn't work in Opera.

By removing / disabling the browser sniffing that detects Opera in their Java
script library [url]http://us.js1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/lib/pim/c3/ylib_dom.js , the menus will work just fine!
We have been trying to e-mail Yahoo Mail several times, but unfortunately with no luck. They haven't replied back.
Perhaps you can help us getting through?

Open the Web!

Anne-Hilde

Yes it is surprising, considering that previous version of Yahoo mail worked flawlessly with IE5 and now everything seems to be broken.

ah u win some u lose some. does gmail work with ie5?

No DOCTYPE in any of their pages!

Originally posted by burnout426
Yeh the 100MB limit is good. The menus seem to at least function. However, when view note preferences, the menus were throwing js errors.

Also, I don't see the "compose in html" checkbox for opera anymore.

Run validation on any of their pages and you can see that they have no idea what W3C standards are.

Originally posted by Squirt
The new Yahoo mail is screwed up even more in IE5, bit surprising.

They've seemed to fixed it now.

tell me 1 mainstream website that conforms to standards! except ofcourse browser companies (moz and opera!)...

Microsoft of course! They do everythign perfect.

The Vbulletin front page has a few silly entity errors, but is otherwise standards compliant. Might not be as mainstream as you were referring to though.

Compaq is pretty much standards compliant too. (Minus the 10000000 entity errors) & !

I don't like any page that uses javascript detection and yahoo sucks for that. Although the window.opera check is usefull, it is not needed because Opera is in the Header. Yahoo shouldn't worry if some spoofers load the wrong version of the page. If people do that and everything doesn't work right, then it's the spoofer's fault.

They should just use menus that work in all modern standard compliant browsers and then do serverside detection to dynamically load a different menu for all the old browsers. I think they are making a mess trying to get one menu to work accross all browsers with a bunch of UA detection. Normally it might be ideal to have one menu instead of multiple, but I don't thing so in this case.

For modern versions of Gecko and Presto, the yahoo menus should be pure css and there should be zero javascript on the page. That's why we have forms and serverside scripting.

pure css menus wont work on ie 6 if they do certainly wont on ie5.x
and ur comment abt microsoft was a joke i hope.

Yes the Microsoft comment was a joke.

As for the CSS menus, yes they will not work on IE, which is why I would not want IE and other non-standard/non-modern browsers to use them. I would want only browsers that can handle pure css menus to view that version.

yahoo as a commercial company cannot ignore 93% of the web users...

Yahoo problems

I've been having problems with the new lay-out of Yahoo! Mail too.

I've noticed that the Yahoo page knows 3 ways to work

Way 1: It works, drop down works everywhere, anytime, mail-address drop-down, all messages + mark drop-down, check all, move..., it all works

Way 2: 'the old style' the menu's work, but the items get showed in the upper-left corner, check all doesn't work, move doesn't work as well

Way 3: Nothing works. Whatever I do, no drop-down anywhere, moving or marking messages

It also seems that if it doesn't work, I can 'simply' refresh the page and voila, it works. Any one else noticed this? (or is willing to check it)?

Is there a way to keep in 'Way 1'?

it works fine here mate

www.nickjr.com wont work either!
the launchcast from yahoo wont show me the rating music videos option
uwfnetwork.com wont work the same as in IE is it Opera or who?
cause is not just yahoo!

Yahoo! Mail is fixed!!!

"The New Yahoo! Mail" functions correctly in Opera (7.50, full version).

It works better at a 1024X768 screen res than a 800X600 res, but the popups now all work!

So, unless you have other compatability complaints, then I think this thread has been taking up space on the first page for far too long...

(I think that the reason Yahoo! took so long to fix the problem is that they had all of their coders working on the new mail system and it's UI...)

There is still a small problem with the "mail" menu.

When hovering over the "Check mail" link, the menu gets all skinny on you and things start wrapping. It's quite annoying. It shouldn't change size on you. The other menus appear to work fine.

Also if you click on the "notepad" menu to goto notepad.yahoo.com, none of the menus on that page work. This part may be intentional, but I think not.

i can confirm that check mail link bug. :0 but everything else works.

OK.

I personally haven't browsed (the new) Yahoo! Mail with Opera yet. I did see someone else do it, though (and imediately told them to check the drop-down menus), so I haven't had a chance to check for bugs.

What do you have Opera set to identify as? I always have it set to identify as Opera...

I have mine set to

Opera/7.5.1 (Windows NT 5.1; U) [en]

I will also test the menus with

Mozilla/4.0 (compatibile; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)

just for kicks and report back.

As I thought, it doesn't matter what you set Opera to. They don't detect Opera by its userAgent. They just check for Opera's window. So your userAgent setting has no effect and the little bugs are still there.

Totally off topic I know, but why do people even bother with webmail beyond an emergency access service? I mean... Eudora, M2, Thunderbird... all have to be better than messing with this. I can confirm that YahooPops! works with Eudora anyway, and using that is far more productive than messing around with webpages (though POP3 is far faster).

I just can't see wasting the time (in getting it to work, in loading the webpages (dialup, but even on broadband) space issues).

gmail beats pop clients on speed.
though offline mails is an issue.

Originally posted by Sushubh
gmail beats pop clients on speed.
though offline mails is an issue.

I don't have gmail, but I just cannot see how this could be the case (except possibly searching) especially on dialup.

I mean, look - for POP3- you run a connection to a server and download just the text or html of the various messages, then the entire interface and the messages are on your machine - probably in RAM.

In GMail or any web mail, you have to not only load the messages, but the entire interface(a lot on many sites) the ads to pay for it, and you have to do some or all of this for EACH message, not just once (ads specifically).

Just by sheer data transferred, it cannot be as fast.

Then - what about things like spellcheck (not always there) - contact lists, PGP/GnuPG plugins, etc... Some aren't even possible on webmail unless the site adds it for you. Now we have rulings that ISP's can legally read your mail. With POP3, you PGP/GnuPG it before it leaves your machine. Webmail? You submit it directly to their servers.

Well, I'm done with my OT rant, and sadly don't have anything helpful to add here.

hmm... u need to check gmail mate.

1. The mails get transferred to you computer in case of POP. In case of GMail, if I have 100 new messages, I got them in my view as soon as I login.
2. I got mails sorted using pretty decent filters. SPAM is already cleaned out to a new folder.
3. Spell Check works and is pretty darn awesome. YOu see all the incorrect words all together which can be corrected just like ms word. click and chose from an option. its not a page refresh based spell checking.
4. entire address book is avilable from the TO,CC,BCC box.

about the pgp issue i have never used it so cannot comment. but believe me mails are managed faster on gmail than on a personal client. You just need to check it out.

SquirrelMail is the best webmail interface IMO.

I like it better than using Thunderbird or any other non-webmail type client.

Thunderbird is so awesome though. I don't use pop3 connections. I use IMAP and like to keep everything on the server and manipulate it there. Because of that, webmail make so much sense.

Now if you download all your messages and choose not to leave them on the server, then webmail isn't going to make much sense for you.

google wants u to do just that
just it need to give imap free
that would make it perfect.

save address

btw, this thread was about yahoo mail...?
in the new UI, i can't save new nor edited addresses, the 'Save' button just doesn't react. tried over several days. tried with mozilla 1.6NL and OK.
am using opera 7.23 dutch (id= msie6.0) on win98me. anyone confirm?

I don't have any problem with drop-down menu or Edit/Save Address on Opera v7.51. I do have a problem with the visual rendering of the blue band across the screen where the buttons are located. Ther are either too wide and leave a lot of spaces or not enough to contain the buttons. click 'Mail Plus' it takes you to Mail main menu. There're 3 buttons: "Check Mail", "Compose", "Search Mail" on a blue band background. The background is too wide and takes up a lot of space, as opposed to IE or Mozilla.

I am a new Opera user. I tried to follow this thread but don't understand what the problem is. I have used Yahoo mail for a long time. When I go there with Opera, the arrows beside the tabs for Mail, Address, Calendar and Notepad produce the same menus as I got with IE. ???? I will admit that I use Mail Plus, the premium service. Maybe that explains it.

As for the Yahoo toolbar, I agree that it doesn't work. Yahoo only advertises it for Netscape and IE, but I put the mail and My-Yahoo icons on my Personal Toolbar and it works fine.

I also agree that the emoticans and other fancy stuff in Yahoo mail doesn't work with Opera. I guess I just never thought they were that important.

I used Yahoo! help and I did get a response. It was about activating JavaScript in my browser or switching to IE! :S

Yahoo mail page with opera now has a bug

Try finding "Mail options" which is hiding to the right of the window.
Unless you click "User Mode from author mode" (Ctrl +G) you can not see the mail options.

I have the same problem. In addition to that the button "Move" is dispropotionally large. Is that Yahoo's bug, not Opera's?

Originally posted by netsoul
I have the same problem. In addition to that the button "Move" is dispropotionally large. Is that Yahoo's bug, not Opera's?

All the buttons are too big, though Move is sometimes double-tall.
I suspect it might be a quirk of the way they use CSS to create the buttons, because the buttons are sometimes unresponsive, but I've noticed that if I'm careful to click very near the center, I have better luck.

The fact that I can't tell whether a button is highlighted (from keyboard navigation) is arguably an Opera problem, though I suppose Opera might be yielding to explicit CSS.

Wouldn't anyone competent enough write a user style sheet fo Yahoo mail? I've notice that if you switch to "User mode", the page actually displays fine, although styleless.

I think a Moose or Andy Gregory and a few others would be able to supply Opera users with a CSS that renders Yahoo mail perfectly usuable.

Somebody's up to the challenge?

Perhaps a widespread petition such as on [url]http://www.petitiononline.com is in order

do they help anyone?

They seem to get results (a few are notated on the front of the site)

they certainly could not get MS to support alpha png and macromedia to make software for linux

I'm a journalist in the U.S. working on a story about browser alternatives to I.E. I would love to talk to or exchange e-mail with a user of Opera. Please send an e-mail to mark.boslet@dowjones.com. Thanks.

Mark
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Re: Yahoo! Mail is fixed!!!

Originally posted by GT500
"The New Yahoo! Mail" functions correctly in Opera (7.50, full version).

It works better at a 1024X768 screen res than a 800X600 res, but the popups now all work!

So, unless you have other compatability complaints, then I think this thread has been taking up space on the first page for far too long...

(I think that the reason Yahoo! took so long to fix the problem is that they had all of their coders working on the new mail system and it's UI...)

[img]http://img30.exs.cx/img30/6513/Clipboard35.jpg
hmm how's ur opinion?

i'm using latest beta of Opera with 1024X768 Resolution...
i've tried with both MSIE6.0 & Opera (Agent String), doesn't work too...

Looks bad, here's my Yahoo Mail screenshot:

ymail.png

Originally posted by SJupiter
Looks bad, here's my Yahoo Mail screenshot:

what version are you using
resolution?
agent string?

Opera 7.53, with the user stylesheet rules I had posted here.

Er, yes, what's up with this? I notice a year has gone by and the Yahoo menus still don't work in Opera (though they do in Firefox and IE). Is it a lost cause?

Since Opera has userjs, it can easily be fixed. Just override sniffing

The dropdowns work now in 8.51 or 9.0 TP1, if you have browser.js enabled.

It's been a year, and it has actually been working after this thread was created. So this is a new problem. But it has been patched using browser.js.