Will December 21, 2012, be the End of Days?

Will December 21, 2012, be the End of Days?

Recently saw an interesting program on this. Seems the Mayan calendar, I Ching, ancient oracles, "Mother Shipton" (some doubts as to her actual existence), Merlin (no doubt expressed in the program as to his authentic existence, or someone(s) like him), the Hopi tribe, web bot programs originally used to predict stock futures, etc., all focus on this date or thereabouts for some sort of cataclysmic, worldwide occurrence. Interestingly, scientists (unidentified in the program) say that the earth, sun and center of the Milky Way will all align on this date. The Mayans also identified this alignment centuries ago and postulated the existence of a black hole at the center of our galaxy, which has also recently been suggested by astronomers. One scenario presented was a pole shift on earth caused by the gravitational forces of this celestial alignment, which happens only once every 25,000 years or so. This was presented as a viable possibility, as it has been proven to have happened in the past. (I make no representation as to the veracity of the sources given above. I merely report them. The show was presented on an otherwise reputable network.)

Your thoughts?

Well, they failed to predict the demise of their own civilisation, so I don't really see why we should care about their calendar.

well i know someone here who has said that an angel came to him and said he was only going to live 8 more years or was it less oh my head , oh well what can i say wacky .

Originally posted by Redem:

Well, they failed to predict the demise of their own civilisation, so I don't really see why we should care about their calendar.

But what about this weird convergence of other "predictors" on this particular date? Coincidence?

Yup, probably.

I hope it's not. There is still a lot I would like to do in this world.

Now that we have the web, we have some neat new terminology: viral memes! I'd be more than a little surprised if fewer than half a dozen similar "predictions" weren't mentioned; and actually shocked if any such could be pinned down to anything in particular.

Hey, aren't the Myans the folks who abandoned their cities, walked off into the jungle and never looked back? (They probably wandered down the Amazon and, having talked themselves out along the way, became the Pirahã! Impressionistic archeology/anthropology...suitable for framing, however you want to take that.) Redem, you've got it slightly wrong.

No one could specify an alignment with the center of the galaxy that accurately - and of course it must have happened several times in the past. Much of that other stuff we don't know accurately.

The I Ching is not a calendar, I think we can forget that one. I don't know about the Hopi per se, but we certainly can't rule out contact between them and the Maya civilization.

Not that I'm saying the world won't end in 4 years, but we have nothing here to base that on.

If anyone beleives in Revelations ,then you know the world will not end only the old one the outer shell will remain and the new paradise on earth will begin ,A New Beginning
So the ending is really the beginning . . . a new beginning in which all of us can share.

As the sun began to rise it became apparent that nothing was left . . . Everything had been made new! The earth basked in glory, and sounds of joy and gladness rose to heaven (Isaiah 65:17-25; Revelation 21:1-5).

"God shalt wipe away all tears . . . there shall be no more death . . . neither shall there be any more pain, for the former things are passed away" (Revelation 21:5).

Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, [ Some manuscripts do not have nor the Son.] but only the Father.

Mark 13:32
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

funny i can recall people predicting there time of death ????now i find that so hard to beleive .

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

The I Ching is not a calendar

True. But what happened in that case (as far as I can recall from the show) is that a researcher/(mathematician?) correlated the 64 possible results of the I Ching coin toss with a timeline beginning from when the I Ching was written. He found that the sequential results of the tosses corresponded with notable highs and lows in history quite well, and that the last possible result (and the timeline) ended with an extremely low point in 2012. All admittedly (from my point of view) very esoteric.

Well now I agree with Cocoa butter's submission. Now must get smelling salts from the local chemist......! Anyway the projection was from a heathen source and not applicable to Glasgwegian Presbyterians.

The Mayans say ,"The Hopi and Mayan elders do not prophesy that everything will come to an end. Rather, this is a time of transition from one World Age into another. The message they give concerns our making a choice of how we enter the future ahead. Our moving through with either resistance or acceptance will determine whether the transition will happen with cataclysmic changes or gradual peace and tranquility. The same theme can be found reflected in the prophecies of many other Native American visionaries from Black Elk to Sun Bear."
Not more different than what the bible predicts of our earth and the last order .Out with the old and in with the new .
And i do beleive our calender is not precise in areas anyway ,from what i know was it a 12month calender when christ walked the earth and was it a365 days of the years im sure it was not
Therefore, 1 Divine year = 12 months = 360 days where is the other 5 ,

You'd think God would be better at maths...?

The Hebrew (and from what I understand Arabian as well) calendar is irregular as it is based on the moon instead of a 30/31 day month, some years can have an extra moon in them (in English, we'd call that a "blue moon", though that's based on the month again). They based the start of the year on the rising of a particular star, so it still works out on average.

That's why Easter changes from year to year, it is kept in sync with the Hebrew feast of Passover. It is always in late March or early April, but the precise date depends on the moon.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

The Hebrew (and from what I understand Arabian as well) calendar is irregular as it is based on the moon instead of a 30/31 day month, some years can have an extra moon in them (in English, we'd call that a "blue moon", though that's based on the month again). They based the start of the year on the rising of a particular star, so it still works out on average.

That's why Easter changes from year to year, it is kept in sync with the Hebrew feast of Passover. It is always in late March or early April, but the precise date depends on the moon.

The difference is ,Muslims measure the passage of time using the Islamic (Hijrah) calendar. This calendar has twelve lunar months, the beginnings and endings of which are determined by the sighting of the crescent moon. Years are counted since the Hijrah, which is when the Prophet Muhammad migrated from Mecca to Madinah (approximately July 622 A.D.).
The Islamic calendar was first introduced by the close companion of the Prophet, 'Umar ibn Al-Khattab. During his leadership of the Muslim community, in approximately 638 A.D., he consulted with his advisors in order to come to a decision regarding the various dating systems used at that time. It was agreed that the most appropriate reference point for the Islamic calendar was the Hijrah, since it was an important turning point for the Muslim community. After the emigration to Madinah (formerly known as Yathrib), the Muslims were able to organize and establish the first real Muslim "community," with social, political, and economic independence. Life in Madinah allowed the Muslim community to mature and strengthen, and the people developed an entire society based on Islamic principles.

The Islamic calendar is the official calendar in many Muslim countries, especially Saudi Arabia. Other Muslim countries use the Gregorian calendar for civil purposes and only turn to the Islamic calendar for religious purposes

The name of the months were long time before the prophet (pbuh)and used by Arabs in and around Saudi .But the muslims start their year when the prophet (pbuh)migrated to Al Madinah and this was the month of Muharram .


Muslims do not traditionally "celebrate" the beginning of a new year, but we do acknowledge the passing of time, and take time to reflect on our own mortality.

Had it predicted the Y2K problems, I'd be on the bandwagon.

After all, Nostradamus did...well, he predicted everything, including the coming of the Large Hadron Accelerator!
Cited here.

i actually dont really beleive in anything but what im in now i just only really beleive the relgious scriptures but i beleive some relgion has hidden a lost passage that could change the way people think and humanity at that point .But i beleive we not the only race in the world and i beleive we was somthing somewhere else and we flunked up there too

Nostradamus predicted that the world would end in 3797. And that is still 1785 years away from when the Earth is supposed to end in 2012.

Nostradamus was a putz, much like his followers, exempting the ones here, of course.

They say that the end of the world will only come if there is equilibrium in the world. This corresponds to both the scientific as well as the social stratus of life. The main reason the world still exists is that it has a purpose, that purpose is to attain the perfect balance. I am not making this up but unfortunately I do not have any links to prove this.

Thing is, that, according to science, the Big Bang filled the entire universe with matter and so much heat that it took billions of years to cool. However, the hotter a body is, the faster it will cool. This is known as the Mpemba effect. As the universe cooled down, the cooling process became slower. Thus, we are left with the present universe where there are still great variations in temperature and thus the purpose of the universe is to attain perfect balance. It is only then, that this world will end.

Coming to the social aspect, we all know about the war and crimes that pillage our world. But then, why hasn’t the world ended yet ? The answer lies in the widely popular Ying and Yang. According to me, as long there is a good (Ying), there will a bad (Yang). However, we perceive this world to be bad and dying because of what the media tells you to perceive. They show us only the bad and the good people have to struggle to get attention.

We live in a modern society, but with all the bad stuff going around in the world, children, our future have given up on virtues like honesty, integrity and strong belief that they can do anything they want (good things, obviously). Honestly, I was too like the generic teenager, but then I realized that if the world was really as bad as it sounded, then why didn’t it end centuries ago ? I came to this conclusion and I am happy with the decision I made to keep on doing good, irrespective of how bad or good the world may become. I suggest you do the same.
Im still believe in God only he can destroy not us he said he would destroy man before he let us destroy the earth so we can have all the theories in the world and still GODS is tops .

Strangely enough, there was an author on the radio this morning who placed the end of the world in 2011 - in October. Trying to Google for a website, I run into some websites that say the Mayan calendar actually ends on several different days in 2011 or 2012, October 15 or December 21 or December 24 ...

In 1978 a miracle drug was discovered which doubled the human life span.

In 1980 the internal combustion engine was outlawed in all major U.S. cities.

In 1981 Montana became America’s first penal state. All criminals given prison sentences were sent there.

Between February and May of 1983 all the women in St. Louis lost their hair.

Did you miss any of these remarkable events? Probably so. Because none of these things ever happened. But all were confidently predicted by well-known psychics.

Most of us have an almost instinctive urge to peek into the future. We want to know what lies beyond the horizon. But accurate predictions remain terribly elusive. We have a difficult enough time forecasting tomorrow’s weather!

There is Someone, however, whose prophecies have proven remarkably accurate. Jesus Christ, through His Word, can take us into the future; He’s a reliable guide. In this lesson we’re going to look at what He had to say about His Second Coming. After all, who could know more about the end of the world than the One who created it in the beginning?

For centuries Muslims have closed their minds to the gospel of Christ. Now many Muslims are turning to Christ and are welcoming the hope of His Second Coming.Not by changing faith but by accpeting as more that what he is portrayed to be .
To be a Muslim you must accept Jesus (pbuh)with out that you have no place same for all faiths beliecve in him and he shall reward .
The gospel is truly going “to the whole world” as never before. With present technology it’s possible right now to transmit a Christian message simultaneously to almost every person in every nation. Simultaneous translation techniques enable individuals to understand the broadcast in their own language. We are living in the very day Jesus spoke of when He declared: “The gospel will be preached in the whole world” and then “the end will come.”

And then we will be alive again soon in a better much wonderous and loveing place as it should have been when God created its purpose .

Actually the world ended 5 minutes ago, all your older memories come from backup.

i really dont care i beleive in something else not a nostradamus who got his thoughts through bedding women and painting a face .

well given that my birthday falls a day or two after that speculated date, probably so.....that's how my luck usually runs.....

Originally posted by Cocoa_butter:

In 1981 Montana became America’s first penal state. All criminals given prison sentences were sent there.

There must be something in the Constitution that prevents this.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Actually the world ended 5 minutes ago, all your older memories come from backup.

Just one more thing I forgot to do.

Originally posted by Cocoa_butter:

However, the hotter a body is, the faster it will cool. This is known as the Mpemba effect.

No, it isn't!

Actually the earth is not supposed to end in 2012. It is lfe as we know it....not the earth.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Anyway the projection was from a heathen source and not applicable to Glasgwegian Presbyterians.

Or you could just say "Bollocks! Every prediction about the end of the world, including from Christian sources, as been wrong so far...."

Originally posted by Macallan:

Actually the world ended 5 minutes ago, all your older memories come from backup.

Explains why I saw a walk in front of me 7 minutes ago, and the exact same walked by 2 minutes ago

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Actually the world ended 5 minutes ago, all your older memories come from backup.

Explains why I saw a walk in front of me 7 minutes ago, and the exact same walked by 2 minutes ago

There are always glitches when you restart from backup but most people don't notice

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Originally posted by Cocoa_butter:

However, the hotter a body is, the faster it will cool. This is known as the Mpemba effect.

No, it isn't!

oh really how would you know ?care to enlighten me more exsplain

I know I'm not Johnnysaucepn, but a quick search brought this up from Wikipedia:

"The Mpemba effect is the observation that, in certain specific circumstances, warmer water freezes faster than colder water. New Scientist recommends starting the experiment with containers at 35°C and 5°C to maximise the effect."

I can sometimes predict things, and I am certain that there will be an end of day on December 21, 2012. I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers? Anyone want to give odds?

Originally posted by aefields:

I can sometimes predict things, and I am certain that there will be an end of day on December 21, 2012. I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers? Anyone want to give odds?

So what will you do with the money concidering we all gone ,^lol^yep you could take that cruise you always wanted

Originally posted by aefields:

I can sometimes predict things, and I am certain that there will be an end of day on December 21, 2012. I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers? Anyone want to give odds?

I'll come to Mt. Hood on December 22, 2012. If the world still exists the is on you, otherwise it's on me. Deal?

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thou shalt not cast lots... hey, i couldn't help it.

Originally posted by dude09:

If you let those crazy terrorists got their hands on some nuclear weapons, then the End of Days won't be too far away...

i think that applies to every who harbours a bomb .But then i suppose it depends on which end of the scale you mean to which cult of terriost you talk of .

first stone is always softer it gets harder when it becomes a rock then a brick then before you know it you lost your memory . i sigh !!!!

Originally posted by aefields:

I can sometimes predict things, and I am certain that there will be an end of day on December 21, 2012. I'm willing to bet on it.

I'd be willing to bet on that too.

Originally posted by Cocoa_butter:

Originally posted by aefields:

I can sometimes predict things, and I am certain that there will be an end of day on December 21, 2012. I'm willing to bet on it. Any takers? Anyone want to give odds?

So what will you do with the money concidering we all gone ,^lol^yep you could take that cruise you always wanted

Oh, we won't all be gone.

Originally posted by Macallan:

There are always glitches when you restart from backup but most people don't notice

THEY seriously underestimate the observation powers of raccoons....

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Macallan:

There are always glitches when you restart from backup but most people don't notice

THEY seriously underestimate the observation powers of raccoons....

That's what THEY want you to think

Originally posted by Macallan:

That's what THEY want you to think

Damn THEM ! THEY stop at nothing!

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Originally posted by Macallan:

That's what THEY want you to think

Damn THEM ! THEY stop at nothing!

Oh, you mean THEM - I was talking about THEM

THEY made me think THEY were THEM! ¡¿See how nefarious?!

are we having fun? are you part of THEM