Opera 9.5 - the next generation of web standards

Opera 9.5 - the next generation of web standards

It’s here, at long last—Opera 9.5, codenamed Kestrel in the beta versions, has just been released in its final version. It has some very cool features and a great new skin, but what does it mean for developers? This article gives a complete overview of Opera 9.5’s standards support and explores its new developer tools.

( Read the article )

That's a great one! How can we make the Ubuntu version's menu look as cool as the Windows one?

With qt4 build and qt4-qtconfig.
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/950/final/en/i386/
(One link is better than debil selector on the front page.)

Yeah!... As you say, it's much faster with the new powerful engine. But some problems happening to websites such as http://volam.zing.vn. With http://24h.com.vn, when i move the mouse to the left menu column, the page turns white... I don't know why!...

The best Opera ever released. And definitely by far the FASTEST one.

Opera was the fastest browser on earth, at any time. But this one got to Warp speed.
And so far no crashes. Most impressive.

Thank you, Opera! :-)

there are lots of bugs I think

And one more thing. What about ACID3? wtf? Why the final version did not pass???????? Because what?

Anyway, I am opera user, but I am not sure about this "final". Is it realy final version? Or is it only "final" version because of mozilla comming soon?

Thanks

I wish you will not delete this post

Thanks for that! However, that doesn't work in x86_64, cause there is no qt4 Opera build of x64 version. And if i install x32 Opera on the x86_64 Linux machine, it is a bit glitchy, and qt4-qtconfig settings do not influence it.

A question to the Opera Desktop developer team: is Qt4 x86_64 Opera build going to be released?

Nice new skin, but you guys forgot to make the progress bar black (it's still blue) when loading a page...

Opera is always the most innovating browser of all; this release proves it. However, where's the HTML 5 video element support with built-in Theora player? This has been mentioned so many times and yet, there's no sign of it outside a few experimental builds.

The new skin is really cool. They have some good designers at work. I'm a CSS specialist and I always feel that Opera is the best running browser out there. I wish Opera could make their developer tool a little more simalar to FireBug though. Opera, definately picks up where the other browsers give up. I love how they keep standards a priority. It's like their free from obsticals and can tackle anything in there way. If they do something wrong they fix it. That is why they are doing better than any other browser. Hopefully, there creative and marketing departments can get the word out.

Great Release!! i was waiting long time for it!!

But, i have a problem with the mail client.
When Open the mail view to read a mail has 2 problems:
1)The Body Mail Text is aligned to left and in a few columns. The text is almost unreadble
2)Show parts of mail header without a option to hidden out.

I'm using opera-9.50.gcc4-shared-qt3.x86_64.rpm in Fedora 9
(BTW, this rpm has some errors too)

I know what today was a busy day, i hope this will fixed soon

Congratulations!

Originally posted by chrismills:

lots of bugs? Which bugs are we on about here?

I haven't checked out too many sites yet, but one I've come across is on the contact page of my site where a checkbox next to a label that fills almost all the available space has become stretched much wider than all the other checkboxes.

Also, after previewing this comment which brings up the WYSIWYG type editor, none of the editor functions seem to work (I don't remember using it before so not sure how it's supposed to work).

Sound great but...

Do you intend to ever support XForms ?

For now I'm using Mozilla's XForms extension w/ Firefox 2.0.0.14 on top of Linux Slackware 12.1.

Thanks in advance for your answer.

Didier
Paris

Just checked out the Web Forms 2 Demo - some awesome stuff in there. I don't know how to feel about cool stuff like that and advanced CSS3 features which you can see working in browsers like Opera but know it's going to be a long time before you can actually implement them widely because of lack of global browser support.

Thank you very much for this nice new version, it's obvious you've done a hell of a job with this one...

But... why, oh why, upgrade (in Windows) from 9.27 doesn't go as expected???

Before 9.50, Opera did save stuff under /Documents and Settings/xxxxx/Application Data/Opera ... in 9.5, new location is under /Documents and Settings/xxxxx/<b>Local Settings</b>/Application Data/Opera ... (Local Settings is typically hidden directory so 'basic' users doesn't even found this directory).

And the worst... in upgrade, Opera _don't_ get stuff from that old directory and put it to the new one... no no... now it somehow uses _both_ places to store information.. haven't figured out yet, which ones are saved in old location and which ones in new... Could you tell, how it goes? And why?

I just wonder, why this had to be broken? And in worst possible way, if you think users who are not familiar with directory structures and copying files from here to there...

In a hurry, you obviously skipped some very important integration tests and this upgrade is one of those... :(

Originally posted by hourus:

Great Release!! i was waiting long time for it!!

But, i have a problem with the mail client.
When Open the mail view to read a mail has 2 problems:
1)The Body Mail Text is aligned to left and in a few columns. The text is almost unreadble
2)Show parts of mail header without a option to hidden out.

I'm using opera-9.50.gcc4-shared-qt3.x86_64.rpm in Fedora 9
(BTW, this rpm has some errors too)

I know what today was a busy day, i hope this will fixed soon

Congratulations!

My Mistake!

The error was in the rpm, the first was corrupted, I try to download again and finally all works ok.
Now all i have to say is Excelent Work!!

Hi guys !

Today I have reinstalled new opera 9.50,but ...

1. Opera is using about 350 MB of RAM, why ? I have already set the total amount of virtual memory to 10 MB with no result.
2. If I close opera by pressing closing red cross, opera keeps running on the background, with huge system load about 50-60 % CPU utilization and using about 500 MB of RAM. There is also big disk I/O activity. This process won't stop. The only way how to stop this is hard kill from task manager. If try to start opera without killing the previous process, opera won't start and it keeps showing message: cannot start opera because it is still running.
3. Is there something how can I put old e-mail messages into archive (files)? In outlook there's option to create separate archive file, where can I store important old messages. My actual profile folder has about 3,66 GB. I would like to move old emails into backup and start using email's profile with only last years messages

I have opera's profile on secondary disk "D" and starting app with parameter /settings "D:\mail\Opera\Opera\profile\opera6.ini" and I'm using 3 e-mail accounts.

Please give me advice, thank you !

BEST OPERA EVER! FAST>STABLE (so far)>AND COMPATIBLE FINALLY WITH JSP pages!!!!! like www.commandandconquer.com, intel.com etc etc

skin is very cool, and all its variations, OPERA KEEP UP you are the best!


PLZ make an X64 VERSION!!!!!! tha uses x64 or x86 flash player!!!!

Opera 9.5 > Firefox 3 > IE 7

Yea , It's Cool , BUT WHERE ARE MY FEED'S ????

Hmm, there're somethings not so good as the older version (9.27). Today when I compose a new entry in Yahoo ! 360, the compose box's blocked and I can't type or paste any things. Otherwise, in my forum (http://vozforums.com/index.php), I can't click any button on reply box and I've to type the code by my hand instead. But the worst thing's I can't attach any files into the forum ...
May I've to roll back to the 9.27 and wait for a new more compatible version ...
Otherwise, I still love Opera :lovely:

It's very good build.
Advantages of new version are:
1. Fast start up.
2. Fast web-surfing.
3. New pretty skin
4. Blocker of annoying pics.
5. Security warnings before visiting dangerous sites.

Bugs (or, may be, features. who knows.. :
1. When I make one step back at web-page, its style disappears and I see page in some view similar to text-browser style. If I make one more step back (page appears at normal state) and then resume to the page - page is formed correctly.
2. Panels can't be closed by pushing outer bound of it. Only F4. May be there is no need to be able show panels bi clicking left side of Opera's window, but it was comfortable to close panels in such way.
3. There were series of crashes when I’d opened three tabs with built in video (like at YouTube). Opera asked me to press OK on error message and then closed.

Thx for really good release!
P.S. Sorry my French =)

Serrega: The "bug" #2 is not a bug at all. The new skins has a button to toggle the panels so the panel toggle at the edge of the window was redudant and disabled by default. To get it back, simply right click > customize > panels > [_] Show panels toogle at edge of window.

I've not experienced your bugs #1 and #3. Ok, I kinda got #3 the other day when opening 70+ tabs on Facebook, and had a dozen other tabs. But I don't know many browsers that don't get on their knees when spawning that many tabs in one go.

Yeah. Really, I forgot about panel settings. Sorry me for my mistake.
Bug #1 didn't appear again till now. I'll try understand when it appears ang get screenshots.

UPD: I've got it. Step1, Step2, Step3.
As i said. First i went out from page. Do anything (there was painting opera's logo . Then went back and get page a bit different then it had been before.

P.S. Sorry for Russian at screenshots. I hope it doesn't matter.

Off-topic comment removed.

Please try to stay on-topic, everyone. This is a thread for discussion on an article about standards support.

Yeah, and I discused my immpressions of new opera. :/

This acticle is very interesting! Read complite only ~30% ))) Please wait... ;-)

@Mike Myers: which part of "about standards support" wasn't clear?

I am already applying focus outline styles using W3C standards. What is going on with the new, non-standard blue tabindex outline? Not only is it inconsistent for all tabindex elements, buggy (broken in certain layouts) and non-standard, I have no ability to provide my users a consistent, standard interface. Please note the following posts and offer any information.

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=236574
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=236866
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=231214#comment2610150
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=231214#comment2612780
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=231214#comment2613562

Thanks!

the article mentions cross-document messaging is included in opera9.5, but i can't get it to work even on the opera labs tests (http://tc.labs.opera.com/apis/messaging/). a problem with my installation or did support for postMessage eventually not make it in this release after all?

It's really cool to see some of the evolving standards in action. Especially WebForms2 and SVG support is great. And we can in fact start to use WebForms2, as there are JS implementations out there for "legacy" browsers.

But I have some trouble with the examples given in the article:

background-size: I thought the background was ment to be streched, but it appears tiled for me. So not actually the effect I would have expected.

svg input controls: The text cursor tends to disappear, even when the textarea has the focus.
And just a question: I have now seen some examples how to make text editable in SVG 1.2, but how would I submit these changed values in a form?

svg speed: I know that Opera's is one of the best SVG implementations out there. But this also shows one of SVGs biggest problems: It is terribly slow. Even the hover effect in the menu is so slow that I would't want to use it on a real page. I don't know what can be done to increase the speed of SVG applications, but maybe we need hardware accelerated SVG or something...

Nevertheless: Thanks for this great release!

Off-topic comment removed by moderator (this is a thread about standards support). Also, bear in mind that this is an English speaking forum.

You missed nth-child with nthchild in your article.

But where is the cookies4.dat file now? I've been using it to fix cookies... And you shouldn't have removed file exensions in cache...

I have just tried XSLT implementation in 9.5 - it sucks :-). Incorrect node-set to string automatic conversion, document() function not supported,... I would fill the bugs somewhere, but I am unable to find a link to bug tracking system. Developer tools does not seam to work for XSLT pages...

CSS 2 support? What about visibility:collapse in tables? :-)

Opera Team should definitely work more to support the standards, or at least, mark the standard support as incomplete, premature or experimental ;-). Despite all, I am very glad XSLT finally landed in Opera. :-)

I wish to see increase in separately allocated block of the text or a picture

these new standards are great but I have a problem with the new opacity feature:

I want some area to have specific color and opacity: 0.4 for example but I don't want the text to have opacity too, because that's what I get is an unreadable or hard-readable
does someone know how to get not showing through text in the opacity area

thank you!

------------------
Opera Rullzz!

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

opera is best maaaaa........
but it seem like something is missing in opera,for example is :
- cache4,why the file that has been download to this folder not have their extension?
- another one is I dont what it call,that button in system bar which can hide opera is not present like the beta version bfore this?

thanks for Opera......

***sorry 4 my bad english I hope u can understand above...

Originally posted by chrismills:

It’s here, at long last—Opera 9.5, codenamed Kestrel in the beta versions, has just been released in its final version. It has some very cool features and a great new skin, but what does it mean for developers? This article gives a complete overview of Opera 9.5’s standards support and explores its new developer tools.

( Read the article )

Please provide me with the operation of this.