Dragging tabs out in 9.5

Dragging tabs out in 9.5

I'm wondering if I can go back to the behaviour in 9.2 when I drag tabs out of the main Opera window?

Let me explain. I use one 'main' window of Opera that normally has all my tabs. This would have the tab bar, panels, the file/edit/view menu at the top, etc. Every once in a while I like to drag a tab out of the main window, say, a youtube video or a popup chat window, onto my secondary screen.

In 9.2, this dragged out tab would not contain the main interface elements (ie, no tab bar, panels, file/edit/menu) but merely the html window itself. In 9.5, this behaviour seems to have changed so it's a full interface. Is there any way i can go back to that?

That operation is called 'detaching' and is completely broken in OPERA V9.50 'final'...
Now it's spawning a fully-fledged window, which could have created also by pressing Ctrl-N, although W/O the page you are D&D'ing.

Please file a bug-report and do post the bug-number here, which is given to you at the end as an email address, but W/O the 'bugs.opera.com' part to avoid spam.

It's generally a good idea to point therein to this thread, BTW.

Thanks. Posted a bug: bug-340104

Thanks!

These full OPERA windows are absolutely useless for me, all my ways of working are put on hold until the proper detaching feature is back.
A real nuisance...

IMHO, not a bug but a "new" 9.5x feature :LOL:

--> you can retrieve still:

Anyway, as you might know already: ctrl+n opens new Opera window, open panel 'Windows' drag a tap to the other window.

Else in case you're familiar with Opera's .ini you may want edit your PERSONAL standard_menu.ini and tweak "detach" function.
First back-up your PERSONAL standard_menu file, close Opera ... change:
Platform Unix-QNX, Item, M_DETACH_PAGE=Detach page
to
Item, M_DETACH_PAGE=Detach page
save and restart Opera, use right-click menu on tabs and/ or in the windows panel ...

Thanks, I tried that and it didn't work...
... although not in the final.

Do you really get a real 'bare' detached window now by that?
Some screen shot would be nice...

[EDIT] Dragging within the 'Windows panel' doesn't work, always getting full-featured new windows.

detach_1.png

Originally posted by noroslo:

IMHO, not a bug but a "new" 9.5x feature :LOL:

Else in case you're familiar with Opera's .ini you may want edit your PERSONAL standard_menu.ini and tweak "detach" function.
First back-up your PERSONAL standard_menu file, close Opera ... change:
Platform Unix-QNX, Item, M_DETACH_PAGE=Detach page
to
Item, M_DETACH_PAGE=Detach page
save and restart Opera, use right-click menu on tabs and/ or in the windows panel ...

Just tried it. Didn't work. The 'detach' item shows up when I right click on a tab, but when using it still has the full Opera interface.

IMHO, you can detach any tab of Opera 9.5 --> get a new instance of Opera 9.5 browser with her GUI ...
What's wrong with that?

Well, maybe I missed something.
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detach_2.png

Originally posted by noroslo:

IMHO, you can detach any tab of Opera 9.5 --> get a new instance of Opera 9.5 browser with her GUI ...
What's wrong with that?

The whole point is...we don't want the GUI. That was how it was in 9.2. It was useful; I tend to only detach tabs I want to view on their own, without any interface elements getting in the way (ie, a youtube window, a meebo chat window).

Well, after detaching press F11 then ..?


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detach_3.png

Originally posted by noroslo:

Well, maybe I missed something

Indeed...
Here is an example:
a detached (bare) window from OPERA V9.27 in front of OPERA V9.50, completely free of panels, and all that other stuff...
OPERA V9.27 Detached Window in Front of OPERA V.9.50
Get it?

Not sure, detach -- F11 get the tab plain alone -- ctrl+F8 get address bar on that very screen too -- press F4 get panels too..
Yes sounds complicated, probably it is, but you can get this old beloved function work on 9.5x somehow ... well, IMHO.
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detach_4.png
detach_5.png

... anyway I refrain. Thanks.

What you described IS a hassle, and the window would still be fullscreened. Detaching a tab in 9.2 because if a window was only 200x200 pixels, then when you detached it, that's how it stayed.

Can only agree with /Khuffie/.

F11 always does full screen, detaching however is possible for any size of windows, and also for panels, and manager tabs.
Only the title, address bar and scroll bars if any goes with it, nothing else.
E.g. for bookmarks, mail, transfer, notes, cache, even multiples of these etc.pp.,
which I then also could move to a second monitor, as well as arrange them economically there...

That's why I really miss them!

Of course it's got 5 threads on this topic already, I'm sure HaJotKE knows that.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Of course it's got 5 threads on this topic already, I'm sure HaJotKE knows that.

I searched, I couldn't find it. I wasn't aware the feature was called 'detachable tabs'

Since there are 5 topics, any word from the devs?

Not really. The oldest thread - the one in Beta testing which can't be posted to since the forum is closed now - has been around for some time. Months.

I understand why it was done, some shortcuts didn't work in detached tabs, and we were constantly having to deal with people who mistakenly closed the main window before the detached tab (if they were also using "Continue from last time" then they'd get only their detached tab the next time they started Opera, and post here wondering how to get the window back) ... and if you tried opening a new tab from your detached tab, it ended up in a new window (which of course was the answer to that other problem).

But currently a non-maximized tab becomes a full-sized window with toolbars, panels, etc. ... which is at least as bad as what they were fixing.

Never seen five (5) threads on this very topic Steven? You may want point us to those, please, thanks.

As far as I understand, nowadays 9.5 distincts her "windows", like M2 runs separat from Opera so to speak, separate instances for each Opera window (Opera browser, Opera M2, Opera Widget).

To my understanding , it's not about detachable tabs of the very same Opera instance on a OS in question, as it used to be in 9.0x and 8.x series.
9.5 is about to make Opera desktop browser manage several Opera instances independently ... well, that's what I recall from some of these (hullalabu driven) Opera developer blogs. I understand that Opera 10 is seen to be able to mange diverse Opera instances parallel eventually.

Detaching was a nice feature, but since they made up their minds to make their goal several instances of Opere parallel come true, we got this on 9.5 for the moment. Anyway as I tried to show, detach feature is still with us in Opera 9.5 version.

Thanks.

Here's one, with a link to the older one. There was another one I posted in just this morning, but I'm not certain where it is at the moment. If you really want me to look I'm sure I can find it ...

Originally posted by noroslo:

Anyway as I tried to show, detach feature is still with us in Opera 9.5 version.

No you haven't. Merely dragging a tab out and having a new window created is not detach. The tab should be by outself, without the main Opera GUI.

Khuffie, I started a wishlist thread, Detach windows for bringing this feature back. Please add your support if you are interested.

I totally agree this functionality needs to be brought back..I have added my voice to the wishlist.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Not really. The oldest thread - the one in Beta testing which can't be posted to since the forum is closed now - has been around for some time. Months.

I understand why it was done, some shortcuts didn't work in detached tabs, and we were constantly having to deal with people who mistakenly closed the main window before the detached tab (if they were also using "Continue from last time" then they'd get only their detached tab the next time they started Opera, and post here wondering how to get the window back) ... and if you tried opening a new tab from your detached tab, it ended up in a new window (which of course was the answer to that other problem).

But currently a non-maximized tab becomes a full-sized window with toolbars, panels, etc. ... which is at least as bad as what they were fixing.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for all your hard work. Still using 9.27 on primary machine, boohoo.

Actually the answer to the above problem (just having a pane open in 9.27) is to just double click the program, it starts a new window. And opening a new tab from a floating pane (9.27) opens a new pane the same size and configuration as the spawning pane.

I've looked at the other threads about buttons that you can try, but you still get an active window whose configuration changes the configuration on other active and subsequent windows which actually creates a bigger problem. I'm trying stuff on my test machines and haven't come up with anything that can disable the menu bar, status bar, tab bar, main bar and the panels so that you don't affect the other windows.

And (however unlikely) I would like to see this feature for the mac and linux versions.

That feature was in Linux, though you had to use the context menu on the tab bar to access it (right-click on the tab and select Detach).