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Bookmarks need Tags, and search by tags (like Firefox)Hi,
it would be great to add tags to bookmarks. The idea is not coming from Firefox, but they kind of implemented it.
We could then search by tags, and as well maybe save previous searches (static or re-generable, normal text search or advanced, e.g. regex).
Do you need this feature?
|Waste of time to develop it.||24%||23|
|Will survive without it.||10%||10|
|Convenient, but not important.||9%||9|
|Would love to have it.||23%||22|
|Total number of votes:||96|
(My question is rhetorical. I did test this and it does work.)
Not sure I see the need to rename what's already in place. Am I understanding you correctly?
Of course you could always do a search for something in a bookmark to see if it was duplicated elsewhere, but it would be really handy to have a built-in tool where you push a button and it displays a list of matching url'd bookmarks along with their locations.
Was TFuto really asking about that? It doesn't look that way to me.
This is also a good place to remind people that we do have a way to remove duplicate bookmarks for all to use. Go to the Opera Link web interface (http://link.opera.com/), then use the "Remove my duplicates..." link that is located on the left side.
Originally posted by jamesisin:
Yes, I agree. Descriptions are more flexible (you can put everything you want, inside them); pre-defined tags are faster (you just check/uncheck a category, for e.g. Sport; you don't need to write anything). Though tags are not stricly-necessary, we could have both.
Can't we already search by description and can't we already put any phrase (tag if you'd like) into that description field?
Originally posted by facildelembrar:
Maybe it would be better to have also a duplicates-finder tool implemented into the local program; for e.g., when you decide to boomark an url, if you've already bookmarked that page (or also something from the same site, it would be useful), a message telling you that could appear.
Duplicate bookmaks can be eliminated through the opera link web interface.
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so, any 3'rd party developers can implement everything we need from bookmarks:
1 socializing, and/or simply make "opera links" sharing!
2 save content option, like firefox' addon, or Obook does
3 save screenshot option, like URL-Album(+opera plugin) does
and, of course, ability to use bookmarks app as standalone.
it would be cool!
anyway, does enyone from opera team reads our "wishlists"?
1. December 2008, 04:53:45 (edited)
It does light up after I click on it and the "add bookmark" dialog appears. I'm using Opera 9.6 by the way.
i feel that opera's bookmarks are very clumsy and pretty much unusable in the current state, especially with lots of bookmarks.
We need the firefox bookmark system, it's the best i've seen. Easy to add bookmarks (just one click of the star button), easy to tag bookmarks (another click of the star to edit details), easy to search (by keywords and tags)
Let's look at some common tasks in bookmarks. There are more ways to achieve this task, i'm listing the ones I think are the fastest in Opera.
Adding a bookmark
In the bookmark menu, select the appropriate subfolder and click Bookmark Page. Optionally, add some tags in description to help you find the bookmark more easily.
AFAIK, this is the fastest way to do this, but adding a bookmark still requires quite a lot of work this way because of the clumsy navigation through the folder hierarchy.
Even if you dump all bookmarks in the root folder, you still need atleast 3 clicks or 2 keyboard shortcuts.
Firefox way: Click on the star in the addressbar once to add a bookmark. Click on the star a second time to open the modify properties, add tags etc. The star also indicates that the page is bookmarked (it lights up on bookmarked pages).
Finding a bookmark
Navigate through the bookmark folder hierarchy or use the bookmark or addressbar search.
Note that to put the same page in two different folders, you'd need two bookmarks.
Firefox way: bookmarks have tags and you can use the organize bookmarks view to show bookmarks with the same tags (so basically every tag acts as a folder). This is something Opera's current bookmarks cant' really match. I guess you could add "tags" to the description, but it's not really the same, you have to use the search for tags then, no auto-generated folders appear by default, so you have to remember the tag.
Editing/deleting a bookmark
This is impossible to do directly from the bookmark menu, you have to either use "Manage bookmarks" or open a side panel.
You then have to specifically find the bookmark, even if you already have the page opened, and then to edit right click -> edit properties, edit the properties and click save (deleting is similar). This is ridiculously complex and annoying.
Firefox way: if you're visiting the page, click on the star and edit properties or use the "remove bookmark" button. If you're using the bookmark menu, find the bookmark, right click it and edit properties or click remove.
I'm not saying the Firefox bookmark system is perfect, but it's way better than opera's, and Opera could really use a makeover of it's bookmark system.
The rest I can't speak to, because I don't usually delete bookmarks. I certainly don't want to have to try and visit a page (that's probably no longer there as I'm trying to remove the bookmark) to delete it.
As I see it, the advantages are (among others):
With tagging I can save the same bookmark in different categories.
You only add the tag once (the first time), afterwards you just click the tags you want to assign to a particular bookmark.
Also, with tagging, it doesn't matter in which folder I have saved a bookmark, even if I had several choices; to look for the bookmark, I just click on the tag, and as a result I get all the bookmarks which have been associated with this tag, no matter where they are.
I haven't used the bookmarking system in Opera extensively yet, but I can't see for the moment how the system of nicknames and descriptions in Opera can perform in the same way. Nicknames for instance, can't be duplicates..
Like I said, that's the one thing (for me) to tip the scales in favor of Opera, which is otherwise an excellent browser.
Add any word or phrase you want in the description fields for any bookmarks. Then enter some or all of that word or phrase into the bookmarks search box. All your so-called categories can be accessed in this manner.
(And, yes, nicknames are supposed to be unique.)
Is it merely the lack of <i>clickable</i> tags you lament?
The use of "clickable" tags (or something to that effect) as in Powermarks (and Firefox, for what I've seen so far) becomes apparent when you have to deal with (both save and retrieve) MANY bookmarks. Fecildelembrar, 190+ bookmarks are not that many... You don't even need bookmarks for that, I'm sure the address bar cache can remember them. That, or you just can write them down and stick a post-it in your screen.
In my powermarks archive I had literally THOUSANDS of bookmarks (it's not I'm sick, I need them for work). Jamesisin, the issue with tags is the same with any database (which a bookmarks manager should be): it really helps to know everything you need under, say, "United Kingdom" you can retrieve with that word, not "Great Britain", "UK", "GB" or something else.... You can work out some keywords for your description field, of course, but when you are over 200 keywords (not bookmarks), it starts to get messy, especially if you are working in two different languages or more.
Also, tags can work as bookmark folders. In Powermarks, for instance, you could select ("tag") the tags ("keywords") that you wanted to use as folders. That was very handy too.
I really hope this will be implemented for my favourite browser!
Originally posted by facildelembrar:
Wow, thousands of bookmarks. And I thought I had many... In that case, maybe clickable tags would scale better. But you have to admit having this many bookmarks AND in different languages is a special situation, not something most users have to deal with.
I for one have exactly the same problem. I have at the moment about 2000 bookmarks and I'm really drowning in all that information. Normal bookmarks don't work well, because each item might have several strong categories, and I don't want to store single item in multiple directories. Tags as separate words inside description is a clear nono, cognitive overload to remember all of them would be too much to handle. I would like to see something along the lines of Tagsifter Firefox addon, not only tags, but also a convenient way to use them. Clickable tags are not the only way, but so far it's the best I've seen.
As the bookmark count is only going to increase, this would really be important feature for me. I've been experimenting with Firefox and Tagsifter for a while, but I don't like Firefox that much and there seems to be some synchronization issues as well.
For example, one should be able to type in a tag or two, or a part of the URL or description or anything matching information in your bookmarks, and the browser will suggest possible variants (frecency in Firefox).
I've been using Opera for a long time, and at some moment I started having difficulties managing growing number of bookmarks (about a thousand). I moved to Firefox, yet still hope to return to Opera.
Imagine the following sitiation:
- Hey, can you bring me my mug?
- Sure, which one?
- The black one.
And then this persons brings me black shoes, a black keyboard, a black pen, a black mug, a yellow mug and a green mug.
A little weird isn't it?
There's surfing and there's going to places. A good bookmarks system is very importants and Powermarks is crap with newer browser versions.
The only problem would be to alter the bookmarks file while Opera is running (Opera stores all of your bookmarks in a file called bookmarks.adr). This could be partially solved by operating on a copy of the file, or at least maintaining a copy of the file in case the original one gets corrupted.
Anyone wants to give it a shot?
An example is something like this:
So here we go:
* Organic alternatives and more
* More than meets the eye: How tablets ruin your vision
* Turmoil in Greece, part 2
* DYI: Building Your Own Home Media Center
* Perfect Party Dips
* 10 Dishes Your Family Hates
* Standup: Mammals and Their Ilk
Notice how each bookmark has multiple tags that allow for sorting and browsing by tag rather than folders? There is no need to replicate bookmarks in multiple folders (not to mention this is extremely tedious). Tags span multiple bookmarks, and bookmarks span across multiple tags. Not to mention, you can still use "descriptions" in the description field, without interfering with your tags. To use the description field to manage tags is a dirty workaround at the moment, since that is not what a text field is designed for. Not only that, but you cannot browse or sort by tags with the current approach of dumping words into the description field. Another feature of "tags" would allow the user to narrow his results even further by specifying multiple tags to show only the bookmarks that contain all of the selected tags. To use the example above, he can tell Opera to only show bookmarks that contain the "blog" AND "health" tags. With tags, as mentioned above, one can check/uncheck tags, just like how Gmail handles "labels".
In the future, extensions can also take advantage of tags, as seen by the tag cloud addon for Firefox, which literally lets someone browse and navigate through their bookmarks by tags instead of folders.
In summary, using the description field as a makeshift solution for bookmark tags is a dirty workaround, does not allow for the features mentioned above, and causes a conflict between "descriptions" and "tags" in the same text field.
However, as this thread is about 4 years old ... it seems that it will be faster to write an add-on than wait until Opera team adds the tag feature.
Originally posted by RyanChappelle:
We already have bookmark tags. It's in the "description" field. -1 for redundancy.
If you read my post above, you will understand why the description field does not work as well as Firefox bookmark tags (aka labels): http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=245951&t=1332380168&page=1#comment11225622
Here is an excerpt from my post which shows that it is not redundant, but in fact necessary:
Tags span multiple bookmarks, and bookmarks span across multiple tags. Not to mention, you can still use "descriptions" in the description field, without interfering with your tags. To use the description field to manage tags is a dirty workaround at the moment, since that is not what a text field is designed for. Not only that, but you cannot browse or sort by tags with the current approach of dumping words into the description field. Another feature of "tags" would allow the user to narrow his results even further by specifying multiple tags to show only the bookmarks that contain all of the selected tags. To use the example above, he can tell Opera to only show bookmarks that contain the "blog" AND "health" tags. With tags, as mentioned above, one can check/uncheck tags, just like how Gmail handles "labels".
Speaking of Firefox, bookmarks have tags, keywords, and descriptions. All three, each with their own unique purpose.
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