Process: operapluginwrap uses 90% CPU?

Process: operapluginwrap uses 90% CPU?

Hello. Running 9.52 on Ubuntu 8.04 (all software up to date including Opera). 2GB ram, Intel core duo proc throttled with a max of 2 GHZ on a laptop. Whenever I run Opera, I get a process called operapluginwrap that slowly uses more and more CPU until it is full throttle and using 90-95% of total CPU power. Obviously, this engages the (loud) fan and eats the battery life. My last version didn't do this. I don't know if it had this same process, but it didn't chew up all available CPU. Its crazy for my computer to be sitting idle, except its funnilg full bore. Anything to do (other than to keep Opera closed most of the time, what a PITA) ?

I have been killing the process, it doesn't come back until I open Opera again, and the problem is solved, but what effects could this have? I'm guessing things like flash won't work correctly?

This is a cross post from the windows desktop opera forum. link here.

Originally posted by nex06:

Hello. Running 9.52 on Ubuntu 8.04 (all software up to date including Opera). 2GB ram, Intel core duo proc throttled with a max of 2 GHZ on a laptop. Whenever I run Opera, I get a process called operapluginwrap that slowly uses more and more CPU until it is full throttle and using 90-95% of total CPU power. Obviously, this engages the (loud) fan and eats the battery life. My last version didn't do this. I don't know if it had this same process, but it didn't chew up all available CPU. Its crazy for my computer to be sitting idle, except its funnilg full bore. Anything to do (other than to keep Opera closed most of the time, what a PITA) ?

I have been killing the process, it doesn't come back until I open Opera again, and the problem is solved, but what effects could this have? I'm guessing things like flash won't work correctly?

Sorry this isn't a useful answer, but many people have reported the same, or similar, problems, but I've never seen a solution, other than to kill the rogue process. It's annoying. On one Monday, I realized one of the CPUs of my Linux workstation in my office had been running at its 100% speed over the weekend, which a runnaway Opera process was causing.

Ryo

I never had this problem in earlier 9.5x versions, but now in 9.52 I also experinece this. For example www.rtlbulvar.hu (or its subpages) make my 9.52 totally useless both under windows and linux.

The new pluginwrapper in 9.5* eats CPU as crazy when Flash content appears on webpages (this is also because Flash on Linux is crap) and under some circustances it goes rogue and uses 90-100% CPU, forcing a kill. Furthermore, the pluginwrapper in the 9.5 series is not as stable as it should be, it sometimes affects the main Opera process, freezing the whole browser and forcing a kill -9 of the main process. This has been reported since the 9.5 Beta days and there are a bunch of threads about it in this very same subforum.

Unfortunately there's nothing you can do other than disable plugins globally and enable them for those specific sites you need via site specific preferences. That and wait until they release a new version of Opera which prevents Flash from freezing the wrapper and the main Opera process - of course, it would also help (Opera, Firefox, Konqueror, etc) if Adobe could develop a stable Flash plugin for Linux which doesn't hijack system resources.

Originally posted by Tracio:

The new pluginwrapper in 9.5* eats CPU as crazy when Flash content appears on webpages (this is also because Flash on Linux is crap) ... if Adobe could develop a stable Flash plugin for Linux which doesn't hijack system resources.

Sorry, but the very same flash plugin worked perfectly in Opera 9.27, 9.51 and still works perfectly in Firefox. To me it tells Opera 9.52 is the crap here and not the flash plugin. I'm a very long time Opera user, but the increasing number of problems in 9.5x versions are pushing me to look for a new browser...

Seems to me that you didn't fully understand my reply. In fact you deliberately misquoted me.

I've mentioned the whole 9.5 series because Opera's pluginwrapper is new in 9.5, it has nothing to do with the wrapper used in 9.27; and yes, this problem was present in 9.5 beta, 9.5, 9.51 and now 9.52; maybe it didn't hit you back then but others were affected, myself included.

Now, if you read my previous reply I blamed the operapluginwrapper for eating CPU like crazy and freezing Opera, forcing the user to use a kill -9 in order to close it. This is an issue with Opera and Opera has to solve it, the fact that the new 9.60 snapshots address this issue is pretty elocuent by itself.

That said, I also mentioned that if the Flash plugin in Linux was stable enough, browser vendors shouldn't be doing voodoo in order to make it work properly. Maybe you are satisfied with Flash performance in Linux regardless of the browser used, I'm not and some other people either, for example: http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/09/04/linux-and-flash-cut-the-crap-already/

Ah, well that sucks. Maybe I'll see what the 9.6 snapshot looks like.

Final solution: I made an icon in my gnome-panel that I can click and kill the wrapper. If I find a site that needs flash, I can always reload Opera. This really stinks. I like Opera, and like to have it open all the time, its very useful as my main program for almost everything. I gope they get it straightened out, and soon. Maybe I'll go back to the most recent 9.2x version...

You can also wait until the new 9.60 final comes out (or use the snapshots/betas)which shouldn't take long, see the desktop team blog, there's a specific fix for this issue in 9.60 Beta RC:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/

flash sites are so pervasive that this is a huge problem.

I too suspect that opera is having issues because adobe's linux flash plugin is flaky, but it's unacceptable for things to be this bad on a release. In 9.52 pluginwrapper goes to 99% after about 2-3 minutes of browsing with my usual band of news websites open - specifically, wn.com, guardian.co.uk and football365.com

trying 9.6 RC now, hopefully it's fixed!

Originally posted by Tracio:

Seems to me that you didn't fully understand my reply. In fact you deliberately misquoted me. ...

Sorry, looks like i misunderstood your post.

I don't like flash, java and plugins are disabled by default on my computers and i only enable them when an important site's main contect is in flash or java (online 3D assembly instructions, 3D product demos, etc). Looks i was lucky till now as i had no problems with flash until i upgraded to 9.52. Now downgrading to any 9.5x doesn't help, i have to switch to firefox to be able to view/use flash sites.

I hope 9.60 will fix this and many other 9.5x issues, i've been using opera browsers since 1996 and would like to keep doing so.

i'm bored of manually killing the 'wrapper and restarting opera ocassionally.

so.. have somebody come up with a solution meanwhile?

Not a solution, but a report that it still happens on 9.6x.

Confirmed :'-(

still here on 9.62 (64bit) a temp solution is to run with plugins off (unchecked) unless you absolutely need them for a page .

I can confirm it too.

It's not hapening all the time but it's happening.
By the way I'm using flash 10.

Same problem here.
Using Kubuntu 8.10 with Opera 9.62 32-bit.

operapluingwrap uses ~50 % cpu. Sometimes there is couple operapluingwrap's on and they use like 30%, 30% and 30%.

Very disturbing when I try to do something else while operapluingwrap is on. Normaly I justs kill 1-10 operapluingwrap's and continue using opera. restart if i need flash.

I too experienced the cpu hogging features of operapluginwrapper for flash content, but I fixed the problem first by switching to a 64bit linux where no flash plugin is available and now that I'm back under a 32bits linux I have disabled plugins by default in opera.
I do understand that people get angry when a piece of software eats cpu for no apparent reason, but don't forget that the deficiency comes from flash plaguing the web with crappy and 95% of times useless stuff with no alternatives.
So now I'm back to my original stance: if a website requires to be visited then it is broken by design and I just skip it. I don't miss the flash ads, the mindless mini games or the go back in times of real networks streaming sites (If there's a video I do want to see, I either download it with a tool such as clive or watch it directly with a media player such as smplayer.).

I have to say that since I banned flash from my web usage, my web experience has improved and I don't waste as much time, oh and on a sidenote I'm through with the cpu hogging problems.

Flash 10 64-bit is being beta tested

http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html

No web without flash today. So sad, opera is too unstable to be a browser currently.

flash 10 64bit beta fixes this problem for 64bit systems , the problem is flash itself not Opera . see this thread http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=257033

I havent noticed the CPU hogging as much as the flash video is just jerky. It starts, plays a bit, stops... or the video keeps playing but you cant hear anything for a while. I run seti 24/7 so this might be a cpu problem but when it comes to playing anything via flash (youtube, tv shows.. anything) I fireup Firefox. Zero problems.

I switched 95% to Opera when I moved to Ubuntu 8.04 and ff was having serious troubles. I really like all the things I can do with Opera. But this flash thing is a problem.

Wade

It's not just the newer Opera causing these problems. I'm using the old Opera version 9.00, and experience similar problems. But I'm addicted to YouTube, so disabling plugins isn't an option for me.

The latest Flash works fine for me in FF, but Opera is having an awful time with Flash sites. I adore Opera and hate FF, but I'm often forced to use FF just to visit YouTube and similar sites.

With Flash 10 I can't use Opera any more... operapluginwrapper is using 90-100% cpu time on both cores even if video playing is paused/stopped and downloading finished. Opera is totally unresponsive, I have to close it (can take several minutes) or kill it. I have to use FF for youtube, it is using 60-80% cpu time "only" and stays responsive.

i will just disable the plugin, and use firefox for flash stuffs.... so sad

Hi.
Same problem here. It is there I would say from opera 9 (yes I have this problem for some time).
In firefox everything is OK. If i'm watching a site where there is lotsa flash, it's normal it is quite cpu hungry. But it is not usual to see 100% cpu usage (even if it is niced to very low priority) when some sites are in non-active tab.
And from my long-term experience, it always worked in firefox, so I think opera's pluginwrapper should be fixed in some way.
It is also very disappointing to see operapluginwrapper process run after I close opera

I also (as some guys here) created an icon on my desktop launching the "killall operapluginwrapper" command. It is very handy in this situation.
I'm gona try out the 9.6 and see what happens.

I have this problem too. Everything same as in previous posts (Opera 6.3, Linux OpenSUSE 10.3, 11, Linux Mint - Ubuntu Hardy)

Has anyone found a solution for this yet? The only thing that keeps me with Opera is the custom searches and syncronizations...

I guess at the moment we can only use FlashBlock, at least I do.

http://operawiki.info/FlashBlock
http://my.opera.com/Lex1/blog/flashblock-for-opera-9

when you do need to see flash content, like youtube video, you just click on it and it loads, that's it.

PS after you install FlashBlock don't forget to open up "opera:config#User Java" to enable User JavaScript and specify userjs directory, otherwise you won't be able to unblock flash content.

With the latest Flashx64 I don't get this problem anymore, earlier versions would occasionally spike up the CPU but that problem is gone with the latest version of the x64 Flash plugin.

I'm using Opera 9.64 on Ubuntu 8.10, flash plugin is nonfree version 10,0,22,87 (the specifiek version can be looked up at certain websites, for example: http://playerversion.com/)

My pluginwrapper is behaving normally, I do not suffer from cpu-eatage (what a word, right?) but I did when I still was using Ubuntu 8.04, Opera 9.6x and flash 9.x, which were the most recent versions at that time.

I noticed that flash performance is equivalent to that in Firefox, while playing this game in both browsers - at different times, of course.

For those that have major pluginwrapper problems, I can recommend this bash-script I wrote to kill operapluginwrapper and plugincleaner instantly while keeping Opera alive: (nevermind the ugly way I do this)

#! / bin / sh

echo "This scripts safely kills all opera-plugin-wrapper processes... v0.1"
echo ""

cd /tmp
operapidfile=$(mktemp XXXXXX)

ps -aef | grep "opera -style Plastik" | grep -v grep | cut -c 9-14 > $operapidfile

while read pid; do
operapid=$pid
done < $operapidfile

echo "Current opera process-id: $operapid"
echo ""

ps -aef | grep operaplugin | grep -v grep | cut -c 9-20 | while read pid ppid; do
echo "==========="
echo "| proces id: $pid"
echo "| parent proces id: $ppid"
[ $ppid -eq $operapid ] && echo "| proces is child of operaproces" && kill $pid && echo "| process is thus killed"
echo "==========="
echo " "
done

rm -rf /tmp/$operapidfile

Why don't talk about the shame of operapluginwrapper? It sucks A LOT of cpu with flash contents.
Opera simply does not work well with flash. Stuttering, low performances, and so on... Yes I know that flash sucks in Linux, and it is made to work with firefox.
BUT as you know, firefox is open source, so YOU (opera programmers-developers) can copy the code that handles/manages the adobe flash player plugin and improve the Opera flash handling.

Please do it, it's so annoying using flash under Opera with Linux

In my experience (Arch 64 and the latest 64bit Flash), it's not THAT much better in Firefox (at least in regard to stuttering and high CPU usage), and it's not that much better even in Windows. Flash just plain sucks, period. No matter what browser or OS you use. Too bad it's so widespread and popular...:/

What works for me to keep Flash CPU usage in check is to block all the Flash content I can on any page I come upon. I've seen quite a few inconspicuously looking tiny Flash ad banners hogging CPU quite insanely, much more than a full page full Flash presentation for example. And even if they were not in foreground tab, so it's possible there's similar CPU hungry banner hidden on one of your tabs, eating most of your CPU resources.

well, i've found my solution... i backed up the most important data from my ~/.opera and removed it with rm -rf...

then i removed the whole opera 9.64 installation and set up opera 10 Alpha to my system.

now, i have no troubles with operapluginwrap and no troubles with viewing a flash content... previously when i viewed some youtube video, everything was pretty slow, and i wasn't able at all to view the video correctly.

i used alpha verison of opera in windows, and it was pretty stable.. now i am using it under linux and i guess, i won't have many problems with that..

so if you are experiencing this issue and don't want to replace opera with firefox ( ), i recommend you to upgrade to Opera 10 Alpha. (and also remember to rm -rf ~/.opera)

Seriously, 80% of websites uses flash technology, Opera software must not ignore the flash problem in the Linux version of Opera. Most of people that uses Opera under Linux needs to have a second choice browser for websites that uses only and heavly flash.

If someone of Opera Software will come here to give us information about the progress in fixing this problem we will happier.
Thanx

I also do have some issues with operapluginwrap process eating up to much resources on my Arch Linux 64-bit OS with flashplugin version 10.0.22.87, but it happens occasionally. Beside the aforementioned there's usually also a second process called operapluginclea. What is it for exactly? Can someone explain its role to me?

it's funny in a sad way that after all these years of speaking problems with flash on opera there still is no good solution or even an decent explanation why opera staff is ignoring this HUGE problem. It's true that things a re getting better, in opera 9.5 (as far as i remember) flash did not work on 95% of time, now when using latest alpha 10 build its somewhere 50% when it's not working, crashing or freezing my opera but this is taking too much time to fix.

As for solution for me i have started to use more and more FF where flash works just fine.

Wade, I'm using flash 10 and Opera 9.64 in Ubuntu 8.10 and I'm never experiencing these flash issues. CPU load stays right where it should be, and when I close a tab which contains a lot of flash, the cpu load that is induced by the flash plugin in the closed tab is gone immediately.

So I suppose the flash plugin problem might aswell be a bug that is caused by something else than Opera, which makes it very difficult to track down. But while this may be a good excuse, it's still an excuse, and Opera people should take measures anyway.

I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but you should only use one plug-in path. Using multiple plug-in paths, which is the default in Opera, causes Flash to freeze the system for some seconds.

To avoid problems with Adobe Flash and freezing in Opera, be sure and go to: Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Content > Plug-in Options... > Change Path... > and uncheck all but one box. I recommend using the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins path.

Originally posted by GomJabbar:

I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but you should only use one plug-in path. Using multiple plug-in paths, which is the default in Opera, causes Flash to freeze the system for some seconds.

To avoid problems with Adobe Flash and freezing in Opera, be sure and go to: Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Content > Plug-in Options... > Change Path... > and uncheck all but one box. I recommend using the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins path.

Well, seems to work... I will try again and again to see if there can be some CPU usage excesses.

Are you from Opera Software?

Originally posted by Caterpillar:

Are you from Opera Software?

Hardly! Just another Opera user.

Originally posted by GomJabbar:

Originally posted by Caterpillar:

Are you from Opera Software?

Hardly! Just another Opera user.

This improves a lot the performance, but does not fix 100% the problem.
I think that Opera software should let Opera delete other plugin folders after it find plugin duplicates

Nice work Opera Software, with the beta1 of Opera 10 the flash seems to work better than before (video are fluid, ecc.ecc.)
You should focus your work on optimizing the %cpu of operapluginwrap, that still uses a lot of cpu and sometimes needs to be killed and make it restart clicking on a flash video

Originally posted by Caterpillar:

P.S. Other users agree with me?

No since last to builds (10beta 1 and the previous build) on 64bit (latest version of flash somewhere from februari)) I am getting very high cpu usage here: http://www.geenstijl.nl/

it takes a minute or so before it really starts to take of

Originally posted by arghwashier:

Originally posted by Caterpillar:

P.S. Other users agree with me?

No since last to builds (10beta 1 and the previous build) on 64bit (latest version of flash somewhere from februari)) I am getting very high cpu usage here: http://www.geenstijl.nl/

it takes a minute or so before it really starts to take of

I edited my previous post because I've noticed that also with the beta1, the operapluginwrap lots of times goes up with the cpu usage

Today i have started using firefox on my computer instead of opera. My OS is Linux Mint.

Couse of the problem with the cpu load. When i have flash on and some other sites cpu load can get up to 100%.I have a flashblocker and a adblocker.

I think that it´s weird that firefox can handle flash and so on without so heavy cpu load but opera can´t.

I will look in here occasionally to se if the problem is solved,couse in my heart i really love opera more than firefox.

Originally posted by arghwashier:

No since last to builds (10beta 1 and the previous build) on 64bit (latest version of flash somewhere from februari)) I am getting very high cpu usage here: http://www.geenstijl.nl/

it takes a minute or so before it really starts to take of

Just tried that site with System Monitor running (I had 14 other tabs open). I saw an average CPU use of 40% with brief peaks every few seconds of 80%. When I closed the tab with that site, my CPU use became 20% steady (more or less).

This is on 32-bit Mandriva Linux 2009.1 PWP, using Opera 10 Beta 1, QT4 version. This is on a 4-year old ThinkPad T42 with a 1.7 GHZ Mobile Pentium M processor, 1 GB RAM, and ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 GPU w/64 MB VRAM (running the Radeon Xorg driver).

EDIT: This is using Flashplayer version 10.0.22.87. IMO, I think this is acceptable. The Flash banner on that site above keeps changing every few seconds (when the CPU usage peaks).

No, this is not acceptable this could destroy your computer because of overheating, my fans are going crazy when I have that page open in the background....

Originally posted by arghwashier:

No, this is not acceptable this could destroy your computer because of overheating, my fans are going crazy when I have that page open in the background....

Nonsense. Your computer will shut down before it overheats to the point of damage. There are thermal sensors built into the system that detect the temperatures of the CPU and GPU and other certain other components and shut down the computer before damage occurs.

The previous link http://www.geenstijl.nl/ has a static banner today, so it doesn't load the system like it did when I first tested it. The link below has an active flash ad the loads the system pretty good.

http://www.2adproshop.com/?gclid=CIrN7pHqhJsCFUYA4woduTctpQ

I tested the above site in Opera 10 Beta 1 and in Firefox 3.0.10, and the differences in results were pretty much indistinguishable. See the screenshot of my System Monitor below. It is Flash that is loading the system in my case, not Opera Pluginwrapper. BTW, 75 deg. C temps are not that bad. My system shuts down at about 99 deg. C. on the GPU (as I discovered when I had a bad fan a few months ago). When I was having fan problems, it was the GPU that overheated before the CPU. Currently I do not have GPU temp. monitor software installed, since I upgraded Mandriva to a new release.

Originally posted by GomJabbar:

Originally posted by arghwashier:

No, this is not acceptable this could destroy your computer because of overheating, my fans are going crazy when I have that page open in the background....

Nonsense. Your computer will shut down before it overheats to the point of damage. There are thermal sensors built into the system that detect the temperatures of the CPU and GPU and other certain other components and shut down the computer before damage occurs.

Or so you hope, the truth is that only the temperature of the sensor is measured but that the temperature in other parts may exceed the threshold, anyway a thermal shutdown is not very nice for the filesystem either...

Originally posted by arghwashier:

Or so you hope, the truth is that only the temperature of the sensor is measured but that the temperature in other parts may exceed the threshold, anyway a thermal shutdown is not very nice for the filesystem either...

Actually, a shutdown due to an overly high CPU temperature is unlikely with an Intel P4 processor. See following articles.

http://www.technibble.com/what-is-my-computers-maximum-cpu-temperature/

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/p4-temp.html

If you are concerned about temperatures, install kima. It does a fine job of monitoring CPU and GPU temps. With kima you can watch the temps on the taskbar. There is also a program called lm-sensors, but I have not tried it.
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33257
http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ/Chapter1
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780

Note that I have a laptop with an Intel Pentium M processor. The Intel Pentium M is designed for laptops that will run hotter than a desktop PC because laptops have tight spaces and less cooling capacity.


At any rate, as I demonstrated in my previous post, Opera pluginwrapper is not causing any problem in Opera 10 beta 1 (and I don't think in Opera 9.64 either), as long as you don't have more than one path for Flashplayer selected in Opera plug-in paths. Flash itself causes somewhat high loads. 3D games cause similar high loads. That's why people buy fast processors and video cards.