Why there is no real alternative WYSIWYG editor to dreamweaver ?

Why there is no real alternative WYSIWYG editor to dreamweaver ?

Experts use codes for web building but still there is enough audience for a software like dreamweaver. why there has not been a real alternative to it yet?
just curious to know.

MS might try to argue about that, they've had some design tools for years (as in, Front Page). Not that I'd even consider it, but you know ...

Back when Netscape was an all-in-one suite (before Mozilla) they included a designer of their own, and several word processors support HTML (OpenOffice, and before that WordPerfect) ... I wouldn't say that Dreamweaver is the only thing available by any shot.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

I wouldn't say that Dreamweaver is the only thing available by any shot.

thats true but it is a long way forward than other options.

People still use Dreamweaver ? I haven't touch that in ages, not since Coda, there are much better editing tools now, DW is ancient.

linux project called Nvu.

Pretty damn close ;]

Originally posted by darumaki:

I haven't touch that in ages, not since Coda, there are much better editing tools now, DW is ancient.

Of course a new version was released only a few months ago... not that I've tried it, but your experience with DW is at least somewhat outdated (as is mine).

dreamweaver cs4 looks good improvement.

I don't remember if Quanta Plus has WYSIWYG support, but it's my favorite HTML editor.




I need to grab the latest KDE4Win installer, and see if they have everything working on x64 by now. If I could have Quanta Plus on Windows, then I would be in Heaven.

I've never used anything besides NetObjects Fusion, and see no reason to change. It does what I need without difficulty, and a whole lot more that I don't know how to use yet as I have no need for advanced features. IMO Dreamweaver is overrated, like PhotoShop. People think that using the most popular (or most expensive) program makes them a good web designer, but using the best tools doesn't mean you know how to design.

If you think there is no real alternative to DreamWeaver then you're still dreaming. You don't even know how to design an attractive forum signature using basic HTML formatting.

Originally posted by Pesala:

I've never used anything besides NetObjects Fusion, and see no reason to change. It does what I need without difficulty, and a whole lot more that I don't know how to use yet as I have no need for advanced features. IMO Dreamweaver is overrated, like PhotoShop.
Nice to know about netobject fusion. I will give that a try.

People think that using the most popular (or most expensive) program makes them a good web designer, but using the best tools doesn't mean you know how to design.
Thats true for many products.

If you think there is no real alternative to DreamWeaver then you're still dreaming.
Thats your view. I want to be proved wrong. If this thread produces info about products that is very good, then it will benifit all.As I stated in the starting post, there are users for dreamweaver and idea here is to explore what are the alternatives for that user base.

You don't even know how to design an attractive forum signature using basic HTML formatting.
What do you mean by that ?

Originally posted by operafan2006:

for a software like dreamweaver there has not been a real alternative to it yet

who told you this?

Originally posted by PiklesOnFire:

linux project called Nvu.

Pretty damn close ;]

And I thought Nvu was discontinued and in the meantime replaced/followed by KompoZer

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

In March 2007, KompoZer was featured on Download.com's round up on the best free alternatives to Adobe CS3, where it was favorably compared to Adobe Dreamweaver.[1]

Sorry, it may be off topic.
Is CS4 still use presto engine? AFAIK CS and CS2 use that.

Does NOF still type out all that junk code and generate those bloated graphics?

Originally posted by vonjo:

Is CS4 still use presto engine? AFAIK CS and CS2 use that.

Presto was only used to display a preview of what the page would look like on a mobile phone. Presto was not used for the WYSIWYG editor, or any other preview functions.

iWeb

Thats all I'm saying...

NKP

Originally posted by NaughtyKP:

iWeb

Or you could try Publisher.

But it's no where near as advanced.

NKP

Originally posted by NaughtyKP:

Or you could try Publisher.

I'll continue to hand-code my HTML/CSS. At least until Opera Software has a nice WYSIWYG editor.

NVU was discontinued in 2005. KompoZer was discontinued as well. Seamonkey still has a "composer" product in it.... not sure how good it is. I hated all of these editors. I remember that they used to make the html next to impossible to read because it wouldn't be formatted/indented. It used to come out in one big continuous "box" of code.

Originally posted by GT500:

Originally posted by NaughtyKP:

Or you could try Publisher.

I'll continue to hand-code my HTML/CSS. At least until Opera Software has a nice WYSIWYG editor.

YES!! No other way to do it.

Personally I stopped using WYSIWYG editors a couple of years ago and started using Eclipse (and Notepad++ to a lesser degree). The only thing I miss from dreamweaver is the ability to search for a given word inside every file in a given folder.

If you only use the design view, without paying attention to the html generated, it accumulates a lot of junk code. Plus, It seems that most editors aren't yet ready to create tableless layouts as intuitively as table based ones.

Anyway, Microsoft recently published expression web. It seems pretty good, but I haven't really tested it.

Originally posted by darumaki:

there are much better editing tools now, DW is ancient.

Like what? Can you name few ? I see in professional setting people still use dreamweaver(cs4 is much better) and of course, many others use simple code based text editors.

Why there is no real alternative WYSIWYG editor to dreamweaver ?

Probably because WYSIWYG usually doesn't work very well. I try to stay away from stuff like that. The code comes out pretty bad and when you try to edit very specific items to be in very specific places, it's quicker and easier to do it in HTML.

Starting off I tried WYSIWYG, mainly NVu. It seemed easier, I could not understand why the text book devoted half of it's pages to using text editors. After building a few sites I am a now believer in using a text editor. WYSIWYG web editors are not WYSIWYG, there are many web standards. and it is difficult to have a WYSIWYG that is compliant to all browsers. WYSIWYG is practical for small sites, and if you are mainly interested in limited the access to your site to people using IE browsers. Another complication is code glut, WYSIWYG adds far more code than is necessary and after a few revisions and you have something quite complicated. For instance you can build a site using WYSIWYG, if you edit the page more than a few times the code gets real messy and often you will need to start again from scratch, if you want to do a revision. It is actually much easier to use a text editor for creating web pages. Often I use a text editor to clean up someone else's WYSIWYG. There must not be much of a market for WYSIWYG, other than beginners. The time spent getting used to using WYSIWYG, is better spent learning to use a text editor.

People think WYSIWYG's are easier to learn than code because they're point and click. This is a myth. Firstly, no page will ever work "out of the box" from a WYSIWYG meaning you'll have to learn code to tweak it and fix it up anyway, secondly, the learning curve to any WYSIWYG is about the same as learning to code to the same level (note that I stress the same level - you can of course learn to code to a much more advanced level than is possible with any WYSIWYG if you like)

Originally posted by operafan2006:

why there has not been a real alternative to it yet?

There is. It's called a text editor. There has been no alternative WYSIWYG because it's pretty much reached the limit to what WYSIWYG's can do - namely, not very much.

Nvu for Linux is a dead project.

It more or less lives on in KompoZer.

btw, text > WYSIWYG