President Barack Obama

President Barack Obama

This thread is dedicated soley to discussing the new President. This includes his inauguration, policies, etc. If it involves President Obama, discuss it here.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe Obama is the lesser of two evils in the election. Look at Smilefaze's only alternative - that dopey Mormon clown!

That's very much a sad true in a double sense.
Like many other conservatives in Europe (the majority?), I'm not sure what's better for European interests in our days, if a Republican or a Democrat.
But the other sense is that it seems that an entertainer is more important to Americans than a Chief of State - a man of culture, deep political analysis and a "grandeur" of character - and that's very much incomprehensible.
Well, maybe we just project into them what we don't have to us anymore.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Well, maybe we just project into them what we don't have to us anymore

Such as "a man of culture, deep political analysis and a grandeur of character?"

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

Such as "a man of culture, deep political analysis and a grandeur of character?"

Exactly, what do you think Mrs Merkel is? a peasant from east German (and the former communist party), nothing but that. Sarkozy? Berlusconi?the English?... Nullities without any dimension.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

it seems that an entertainer is more important to Americans than a Chief of State

You mean one like him?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Exactly, what do you think Mrs Merkel is? a peasant from east German (and the former communist party), nothing but that.

What's wrong with Angela? Your compatriot seems to really like her.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Sarkozy?

A vigorous statesman.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Berlusconi?

A real potent dude.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

English?...

Never dare to say something disparaging about an English gentleman.

Originally posted by Krake:

Your compatriot seems to really like her.

Another cretin. But that one it's even worst, a servant cretin.

As for the rest, you got the general idea eh eh

This morning on the radio I heard the President say we all have to row together…

One wonders what he meant…

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

One wonders what he meant…

Well now doesn't that picture really put Romney into something he is capable of as long as he doesn't have to strain his brain?

Now I now why RJ is posting such Imperialist ideas:


This is him

Wikipedian, you're a bit late there I'm afraid as most regulars already know that and the other pic! As for being imperial maybe ask the Orangemen of say Ghana, Togo or scattered members in Poland, Rome and South America. And of course, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Not forgetting the USA which is imperialist in it's own right. Oops and the Irish Republic as well! I'm sure when I talked once to one of the African Garnd Masters he would have found "imperial" a bit odd! Then the home countries none of which are imperial these days makes you out of kilter in modern history.

However, like anyone else I am entitled to my own political and religious opinions as we are a broader church so to speak than known. What this insertion has to do with the continuing bullying presence of the USA Imperialism all over the world is yet to be obvious but thanks for the advert plug. - thanks!

By the way the best candidate in the ex-Colonies is Paul but you will get Obama because smiling Romney is a puppet of the corporates.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

By the way the best candidate in the ex-Colonies is Paul but you will get Obama because smiling Romney is a puppet of the corporates.

To paraphrase a quote from Saw IV's Jigsaw: "You feel you now have control, don't you Romney? You think you will walk away from the nominating contest untested. I promise that the Ron Paul Revolution will continue. That Ron Paul has ensured. By hearing the Main-Stream Media ramble on, some will assume that this is over, but Ron Paul is still among you. You think it's over just because Ayatollah Santorum, Morality Gingrich and Herman Cain have dropped out? It's not over. The games have just begun."

Ron Paul's delegates are building momentum. We have taken Nevada's delegates and are marching towards removing others from the ORomney teat.
Romney may well win the nomination, but Ron Paul is buggering onwards and will not be dropping out anytime soon.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Ron Paul's delegates are building momentum. We have taken Nevada's delegates and are marching towards removing others from the ORomney teat.
Romney may well win the nomination, but Ron Paul is buggering onwards and will not be dropping out anytime soon.

I'm not one to denigrate Anglophilia, but if you're going to try and talk Brit you'd best have a better grasp of the language… (I'm not sure Dr. Paul would appreciate your image of him "buggering onwards and not dropping out anytime soon,' Dawg!)

The reality is something like this:

In Nevada, where Paul won 19 percent support when the state caucused in February, 22 of the 25 delegates heading to the Republican National Convention in Tampa are Paul supporters, according to the Las Vegas Sun. Romney won the other three delegates despite winning 50 percent of the vote in Nevada's caucuses.
Sean Spicer, spokesperson for the Republican National Committee (RNC), told Hotsheet that Paul's victory "is not going to be a problem" because the Nevada Republican Party's rules state most delegates are "bound" to Romney since he won the statewide caucuses.
In Maine, Paul also won a majority of delegates heading to the convention in Tampa. In that state's February caucuses, Paul received 36 percent to Romney's 39 percent support.
(source)

The last time I checked, Romney had 865 delegates. Santorum had 247 (he's out); Gingrich, 130 (he's out). Huntsman had 2 (and has long been out). Paul had 78… (He'll stay in; but everyone knows, he's always been completely "out of it"…) Only 1144 are needed to secure the party's nomination.

(Feel free, Dawg, to explain –to those outside our shores– how you, personally, support and champion democracy… Or whatever it is you actually support and champion. No fair, ducking that question!)

Maybe Paul should run for the Democratic nomination: There's still time! He could –maybe– beat Hilary!

p.s.,
Am I the only one who found this sentence puzzling: "Romney won the other three delegates despite winning 50 percent of the vote in Nevada's caucuses." (italics added, to highlight my perplexity — was the original "typist" simply ignorant of the meaning of the word?) Perhaps Sanguinemoon can explain… (He's a native.)

Aw, heck. I'll save you the trouble, Sang: The sentence would have made sense and obviated my criticism with the mere addition of a single word… Only.
(I leave it as an exercise to the reader to correctly place the word. )

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

The games have just begun."

WTF do you mean just begun, they been played for 200 years.

Originally posted by Virusboy:

WTF do you mean just begun, they been played for 200 years.

I mean the struggle against the RNC establishment.

Now that Ayatollah Santorum, Morality Gingrich and the other clowns are out of the way, we can get down to business.
There are many an unwritten rule in these processes which the others obviously never read. Paulians have however.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Virusboy:

WTF do you mean just begun, they been played for 200 years.

I mean the struggle against the RNC establishment.......There are many an unwritten rule in these processes which the others obviously never read. Paulians have however.

I agree.....,Dr. Paul & his supporters will serve well to effectuate change from within, rather than playing a part from outside, & never underestimate the power of those that have a following as vast Dr. Paul. He can "rock the house". I believe if he gets a reasonable level of Party concession on enough issues, Dr. Paul's endorsement & campaign activity/affirmation can go a long, long way to a powerful win in November. Let's all hope he succeeds in changing the mindsets of those that will be leading us to removing the feral occupants of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America----the Obama Administration, & the dEMOCRAT controlled Senate. Cut off the head, & the body will fall.

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I just found this video, which I think is patriotic:


Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBF9XEsnvJI

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America

What, the people who continue to threaten the democratically-elected President, as selected by the people of America?

Originally posted by wikipedian:

I just found this video, which I think is patriotic:

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBF9XEsnvJI

hey i remember watching this series, loved it.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

What, the people who continue to threaten the democratically-elected President, as selected by the people of America?

SF is not looking at big picture.

It must be terribly sighing for reasoning, fair-minded ex-Colonists ,to see how rabid and intemprementally, violent Smileyfaze is? He is not alone and there are millins like him hence his confidence! Horses can be nice animals but when blinkered lose something.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Horses can be nice animals but when blinkered lose something.

Yeah: The proclivity to bolt at any minor (to its rider/driver) distraction… (If you've ever been on a horse –or behind one pulling a conveyance– you surely know you risked life and limb!)

But I wanted to bring this up: Regarding the Arizona Sheriff's continued "research" into Barack Obama's citizenship, I saw the following.

At issue is whether he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles as a foreign student, possibly using an Indonesian passport. Foreign students are not required to register with the Selective Service, hence if there were no record of his registration, this would raise questions about Obama’s legal status at that time. Was his status that of a U.S. citizen or a foreign student, possibly with dual passports?
(source)

I'd like to avail myself of Napoleon's expertise, here. He said "Don't ascribe to maleficence what can be adequately explained by incompetence!" (He likely said it in French, a language that I do not speak; but I think I got the gist…? )
Even if Obama had failed to register for the draft, there's a simpler explanation: He didn't want to.

As some of you might have guessed, I was a little more "right wing" than most (specially where I lived!) when young, too. I supported our involvement in the Viet Nam War, and harbored no animosity towards the American military. But I was opposed to the draft… In fact, my induction into the military had to be put off for a day, because a sergeant insisted I had to surrender my Draft Card. I said I didn't have one; he said Go get one.

There may be "serious" problems related to a minor abuse of power in Obama's case. (As with Watergate, the cover-up was the Big Story.) But RJ kindly provided the perfect segue for me:

Some people just don't understand what Locking the barn door after the horse has fled means.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America----the Obama Administration, & the dEMOCRAT controlled Senate. Cut off the head, & the body will fall.

Smileyfaze, where hyperventilation is a way of life.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America----the Obama Administration, & the dEMOCRAT controlled Senate. Cut off the head, & the body will fall.

Smileyfaze, where hyperventilation is a way of life.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America----the Obama Administration, & the dEMOCRAT controlled Senate. Cut off the head, & the body will fall.

Smileyfaze, where hyperventilation is a way of life.

Jumping into the breech to prove my point.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The time is long overdo that we all focus our sights squarely on the 'real' enemies of America----the Obama Administration, & the dEMOCRAT controlled Senate. Cut off the head, & the body will fall.

Smileyfaze, where hyperventilation is a way of life.

Jumping into the breech to prove my point.

Up too late....and at your age!

Off your meds again, eh?

Who, lil ole me??

I've actually been told, Obama has done many great things in office and by making better of what bush did. while i agree bush did start a war and degrade our way of life, Obama really hasn't done anything beneficial.

Bill blockbuster: O’s an ‘amateur’ *

Bill Clinton thought so little of President Obama — mocking him as an “amateur” — that he pressed his wife last summer to quit her job as secretary of state and challenge him in the primaries, a new book claims,

“The country needs you!” the former president told Hillary Clinton, urging her to run this year, according to accounts of the conversation included in Edward Klein’s new biography of Obama.

The title of Klein’s explosive, unauthorized bio of Obama, “The Amateur” (Regnery Publishing), was taken directly from Bill Clinton’s bombshell criticism of the president, the author said.

“Barack Obama,” Bill Clinton said, according to book excerpts, “is an amateur.”

The withering criticism is incredible, given the fact that Bill Clinton is actively campaigning for Obama’s re-election.

But according to the book, Bill Clinton unloaded on Obama and pressed Hillary to run against her boss during a gathering in the ex-president’s home office in Chappaqua last August that included longtime friends, Klein said.

“The economy’s a mess, it’s dead flat. America has lost its Triple-A rating . . . You know better than Obama does,” Bill said.

Bill Clinton insisted he had “no relationship” with Obama and had been consulted more frequently by his presidential successor, George W. Bush.

Obama, Bill Clinton said, “doesn’t know how to be president” and is “incompetent.”

Well, well, well........Ain't this some kettle of fish!

Either Clinton is a complete idiot, or he just may have been one of the best visionaries we've had in the past 20 years.

Romney leads Obama by seven points in new national poll

More rats fleeing a sinking ship??



What do you think?

If it is in a book, it must be true.

Originally posted by tt92:

If it is in a book, it must be true.

Regurgitated by the Main Stream Media as well.

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The real enemy of America is within as it happens. It is this long running tendency especially in the Republican heartlands to create a constant fear that everyone is out to get America. Hence the need to have every possible situation as in danger of an attack on the country so fear becames rampant and deeply ingrained. This also sees the "need" for massive armed forces that cannot be morally justified but with so many on the general Right infiltrated with the powers that be on the fear matter. We alos see flagrant hyperbole and rather sad stuff coming from Smileyfaze that is atrocious in it's onslaught on the present incumbent of the White House. He is certainly open to being questioned but just look at the smiling, empty brain of the Republican challenger. Someone easily manipulated by Wall Street and the military rulers of the USA.and how he is meant to be better than Obama is so utterly devoid of common sense.

Smilefaze butterly conemnds anything outside the rampant fanaticism of the Right as traitorous, un-American and much worse. It is wild daft stuff here. Worse stil everything outside of the tight bunker is , wait for it, Socialist in nature. What makes that stance so damn horribly and morally repugnant is the same Smileyfaze/terrorist thinks his old SF comrades back in the old country are wonderful people yet they are an almost Marxist lot in their politics! How that one is squared is a nother daftness. Okay for their but not across the pond. We can laugh at the utter hypocrisy and wild rantings but the trouble is there are millions like him and they are the bigger danger to America and in turn the world the country is trying to dominate globally.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The real enemy of America is within as it happens. It is this long running tendency especially in the Republican heartlands to create a constant fear that everyone is out to get America.

And yet it's people like rjhowie who constantly bemoan America's influence, as if that were gained by nefarious means… It isn't that so many are "out to get" America; it's that those who wish to see the end of Western Civilization know what we here in America are still far from accepting: Nobody else is either capable or willing to defend it.

Of course, we can't talk about that. At least, not sensibly…

But would anyone want the fate of civilization to depend on modern-day Scotland? (Or Indonesia?)

What has all this to do with the President of the United States who's running for re-election? Not too much — except that, as RJ said about this "constant fear that everyone is out to get America," Obama is –at least– a collaborator: His anti-American views are common among the American Left; they are rife among Europeans. They are de rigour among propagandists for —well, whoever would like someone else to take our place.

I wish the suzerainty of Scotland well. But I don't wish my country a similar fate…

The real enemy of America (to take the question seriously) is whoever declares themselves to be opposed to our sovereignty and attempts to subvert it…
We (I hope) won't be satisfied and sated with our Telly and our National Health (like some others I could mention ).

You adequately betray that inbuilt self-arrogance of America OakdaleFTL. Who asked you to organise 250,000 troops to be stationed all over the world? You are also very naive for an adult (assumed!) in dismissing your nefarious side. You have supported a whole litany of fascist States over the decades just because they were ant-Red. So rightist dictatorships are somehow inbred better ones thane the Lefties? You have created tensions, forced yourself on countries by nefarious means. If a nation doesn't succumb to your commecrial wishes and exploitation then there is confrontation and excuse mad to isolate or attack. Sending prisoners around the world for others to torutre in the name of freedom, clandestine ops, bribing officials in countries, a history of fermenting the toppling of governments not liked because they don't like you. The CIA and all the other myriad of spy clubs you have have not been Sunday School teachers.

As for the fear issue you obviously don't see it either because you live there and been spoon fed fear by the media and the corporate/military clique that really run the place. The Republican side is the worst on the fear matter as that means big bucks for the rulers producing the armanents to "protect" the country. You fail to acknowledge that the average citizen is essentially ignorant of the outside world and that media will effectively brain them. Obviously including yourself. Americans have been brought up to believe they have the greaset of everything in the world no matter what the area or service. Overly patriotic becase it keeps the children happy while the big bucks men get on with doing in the financial system. As for not accepting the decline of the West, etc yet another bit of mythology fed to Americans. They think that their financial and military empire will not be like every other empire before it but last. Nefarious isn't wide enough a word to cover what the USA gets up to in the world. Thanks to the wonderful leadership ,of you lot world terrorists have been created and expanded. And that utter stupoid stuff about comparing a country with 5 million people shows the incapacity of being able to properly answer.

And that balderdash about sorting out anyone who challenges your sovereignty. No-one is challenging that at all they are challenging your damn interference all over the globe. Yet another braining of people. Just as well you lot never exprienced the Blitiz there would be mass committing to mental insitutions. Fear is the weapon of those who really run the country - elctions are a joke and your vote is wasted. It is a sop to keep you feeling you have a democracy. And throwing in health is another laugh. No doubt you think you have the best health system in the world - yet another big-headed attribute. Over 40 million over there who can challenge that one. In total your history has been one of intrigue, war and trouble starting, corrupting around the world and a great experience of that word...nefarious.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Nefarious

he's an interesting raid boss.

How can two sets of knees jerk so similarly at such different stimuli?
How can two sets of knees jerk so differently at the same stimulus?

RJ, you say the same thing in almost every thread, and in reply to almost every post… I'm glad you can play with your trains, else I suspect you'd be insufferable! As it is, you're just eccentric: Few worry because you drool the pap you had to have been taught in childhood; it's only indigestion, you see?
I get that you don't like America's style of democracy. But, as it's not your country, if you're going to criticize it you should at least have some vague understanding of it… Since you're unwilling to make the intellectual effort such an understanding would require (I refrain from mentioning the possibility of incompetence…), what value is there to your opinion?
Your opinions upon other matters of interst don't bode well for a general reliability…

As screeds go, yours are (mostly) inelegant and unoriginal. You mangle common expressions, and grammar and punctuation and spelling. And your concept of logic would truly dismay all but the true "dunces" (obscure reference to Duns Scotus, who if you know at all you hate for his Papist ways… ). But such matters little, compared to your nursery rhyme version of history and politics…

But I for one am grateful for the Scottish diaspora. You –if you had any sense or pride– would match my gratitude with dismay, and attempt some sort of "right of return"…

Originally posted by tt92:

How can two sets of knees jerk so similarly at such different stimuli?
How can two sets of knees jerk so differently at the same stimulus?

It works like this:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

What do you think?

I think we're screwed either way. Little to no difference b/w the two.

You are in an ivory tower OakdaleFTL. I do understand your system hence my feeling that it stinks. The word 'democracy' is oen that can be used to describe anything that suits. All you can throw up in this selection is Obama and Romney. The country is deeply divided and the have-nots continue to rise. There is only one decent candidate and it is neither of those two. You are run by a cbal of corporates and military lobby barons and the electoral system is a farce because ity is not representing what many Americans want at all. Instead they are run by 2 mammoth partiesa that keep anyone else out due to being funded by big bucks people. In the end it is not a case of providing for the loyal American but ensure they are in power, make money and give you elections to make you feel happy and asumee it is a true democracy. I give you this. Maybe Washington and Co had ;lofty ideals in mind but they were quickly taken over by the monied class and they have run the show ever since.

You however either tease or waffle about minor distractions on what is written here rather than face the factual situation. Your system is failing the people at large and they know many of them who really runs the show. So don't lecture me about democracy as it is being sorely misused over there. If you are too laconic to fathom that but want to wander off into distractions then that is your choice. With more and more of the nation being run by fewer and fewer people and now down to 1% democracy has been hijacked. Neither Obama nor Romney will solve the problem as both are statesman quality at all. There will be all the usual hype about a new vision and all that we hear at every Presidential but more and more of your fellow citizenry are getting sickened off and pessimistic. It won't matter a damn in the end which wins as the corporates will continue to pull the strings on the Hill and make and con money and the morass and watering down of democracy will continue. If I was living there I wouldn't be voting for either of those two puppets but the man that thedawgfan notes as a breath of fresh air. Enjoy the naval gazing while the rest of us discuss factuals.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

What do you think?

I think we're screwed either way. Little to no difference b/w the two.

hmm, i'd rather have bush over Obama any day, hell Carter sounds like a god send.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Enjoy the naval gazing while the rest of us discuss factuals.

I'm pretty sure you mean "counter-factuals"— But I will enjoy watching both UK carriers perform their mission via the jump-jet version of the F-35 (Britain did, after all, prove such technology with the Harrier), even if it bothers the French! Oh —wait: You didn't mean "naval" did you? Rule Britania!
Must be a Scots thing-ie, eh? (Sorry, saucepn! It of course isn't… It's a Howie-Doodie thing! But y'all can keep your Fabian Society, all the same!)

But I thank you, RJ, for finally recognizing my naturally laconic nature… (You, however, become more and more wordy as you repeat the few trite trivialities that rattle around in your obviously very thick skull, creating ricochet-rationales that bugger the imagination; and ascribe to anyone who isn't you nefarious motives!) I'd guess that you're really a Bill Clinton man: You may reasonably claim that you really don't know "what the meaning of is is…" You'd vote for Ron Paul, you say? Heck, maybe we can send him over… Would you like what he'd do to your country?

But enough of that twaddle…

Is there anyone here who has serious comments about Obama's chances for re-election? What that would mean? And the reality (should he become a one-term president) of America's racial politics? (I know we shouldn't talk about such things… If we were GB or Europe or Canada, we couldn't — without risking jail terms… But the net is, well, sort-of still American, isn't it? )

You have some nerve. America jails more people per head than most normal democracies. Factual in the land of the free and home of the brave. May I also challenge your waffling about the chances of President Obama. You lot have been on this thread for 45 pages and no outcome but loving to be a self appraised intellectula you may not have noticed this in your accompanied wooliness? I would suggest that you wait until after the election for a while and watch and listen. I doubt very much if the present situation will be any different because you are stuck with a 2-party system that through it's money and influence will blythely go on as per the routine - controlled by money lobbyists on the Hill.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You have some nerve. America jails more people per head than most normal democracies.

Do the crime, serve the time....pure n simple.

We, unlike many Commonwealth Countries, find 'revenue raising', as opposed to hard time, doesn't cut it--serves no public purpose.

We don't mind sending a criminal to jail.

Fining criminals is just 'revenue raising', & serves little to punish the offender & take him off the streets to ponder his bad deeds.

And, yes----punishment is the desired result, whereas rehabilitation is more probable after a few late night romantic visits from Bubba.

What part of that do you not understand?

Well you do have a very deep and inherent problem there Smileyfaze which you try to shrug off due to being incapable of a goodly answer! The land of the free and home of the brave jails more than anyone else and somehow this is a good part of that mythology? Now there's a positive dor democracy! There is something far wrong in a country that claims to be the greatest in the world (yawn) and has to incacerate so many of it's citizens. It is you who doesn't understand what the world looking insees. You folk are too self consumed by your daft claims to be best at everything you cannot see the truth.

OakdaleFTL. Why would we need Ron Paul? You DO. Your country is in the grip of corporates and control by two blocks on the 'Hill which don't effectively serve the people at all instead they serve the lobbyists who fund them. Even Obama's recent efforst to stimulate will be paid for by the future generations and the problem landed on a successor in due course. Would Romney be any better? Nah. GW Bush v Dole now it's Obama v Romney what a blot that this is all the system can give people.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well you do have a very deep and inherent problem there Smileyfaze which you try to shrug off due to being incapable of a goodly answer! The land of the free and home of the brave jails more than anyone else and somehow this is a good part of that mythology? Now there's a positive dor democracy! There is something far wrong in a country that claims to be the greatest in the world (yawn) and has to incacerate so many of it's citizens.

If you want to listen to the music, be prepared to pay the band.

I know you might feel that all the incarcerated souls in the USA jails today are innocent, but the courts, & the juries that served in those courts, felt beyond reasonable doubt that they were guilty.

I truly don't give a rats ass worth of pity for these low life assholes. They are solely responsible for their condition. Let them rot until their debt is paid in full.

That said, here is something I found within 2 minutes of searching. I gather you saw these numbers, but I would like to share them with everyone. Oh, if any time you feel like it, why don't you publish the numbers that shocked you & your source(s) if mine don't satisfy you.

Here's what I found in 2 minutes:

According to a US Department of Justice report published in 2006, over 7.2 million people were at that time in prison, on probation, or on parole. That means roughly 1 in every 32 Americans are held by the justice system. According to the International Centre for Prison Studies (ICPS) at King's College London, of that 7.2 million, 2.3 million were in prison.

Source

Those were 2006 numbers....so for argument sake I'd be willing to stipulate that that number has increased to somewhere around 2.8 million in prison today---an increase of 500,000 (22%)---which I know is most probably incorrect, but it's purely a plus to your argument if anything.

Now, of the total US population this means .007% to .009% of the US population are convicted criminals-------sent to jail after an exercise in due process------found guilty by a jury of their peers beyond a reasonable doubt.

What does this number mean to me?
This would mean to me that +/- 99% of all Americans alive today are not incarcerated, can come & go, & are for all reasonable intents & purposes, are free to live with liberty to pursue their own happiness in the best country in the world...God bless the USA!

Now, I do think 2.8 million inmates are way too many, but like I said in my opening statement........"If you want to listen to the music, be prepared to pay the band". When they have finished paying their debt to society, they, if they choose to live within the law, they will be free to continue with their lives.

In the end, they are the only ones responsible for their unfortunate situation, but until they accept the error of their ways, & take personal responsibility for what they have done, they will always be in jeopardy of returning to a 9x12 cell as Bubba's personal boy toy & bunk mate.

BTW.....The democrat controlled U.S.Senate voted down President Obama's 2013 proposed budget 99-0.

President Obama’s proposed budget is so irresponsible that even the Senate, controlled by Obama’s own political party, just rejected it in a 99-to-0 vote. Reading the proposed budget does not inspire confidence, even in liberal journalists. In February, USA Today wrote that “Obama’s budget plan leaves debt bomb ticking… The best test of a budget proposal these days is whether it reins in the national debt… The election-year budget President Obama sent to Congress on Monday fails that test.”

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Last year this same democrat controlled U.S.Senate voted down President Obama's 2012 proposed budget 97-0

The Obama Administration, along with it's controlled Senate, has spent over $10 Trillion---with a capitol "T"--- without passing a single proposed budget in over 3.5 (three & a half) years-----or since Obama has been in office!

The key here is that the last 2 (two) budgets President Obama proposed were so bad & so irresponsible that not only did ALL the Republicans vote against them, but OBAMA'S OWN democrat PARTY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST THEM!!!!!.....

That's what could be called a Total & Complete Failure of Leadership!.....





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Of course it would be damn daft to think all the residents of your frightening penal dumps are innocent but it says much about a nation that is probably tops at having to jail people! RecentlyI came across a report on tv that mentioned a mental patient awaiting the death sentence and a hudge ordered him to be given medical treatmen so the prisoner would know what was happening to him. Very considerate of the land of the free.

Unfortunately, it won't make an awful lot of real difference who is elected over the pond becaue ther will stil be 40 plus million poor, homeless, starvers, etc. But there again that is your right to suffer those indignities in massive numbers. Obama is a lame duck and Romney is a poodle who wil do little to help all those middle class people down on their uppers through no fault of their own. The elecetion system is a farce and purely cosmetic as Wall Street and the Pentagon mob wil continue to rule no maer what. Democracy has been hijacked over there and the poor saps who are so patriotic about the "greatest place" cannot see it. Those who do can be assured of being spied on, harried by the police and Federal spy agencies -plenty to choose from and so on.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Of course it would be damn daft to think all the residents of your frightening penal dumps are innocent but it says much about a nation that is probably tops at having to jail people!

That's what you get if you jail people for profit:

Originally posted by NYTimes:

SCRANTON, Pa. — A former Pennsylvania judge went on trial in federal court on Tuesday, charged with racketeering, bribery and extortion in what prosecutors say was a $2.8 million scheme to send juvenile delinquents to privately run prisons.

The case against the judge, Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., who presided in Luzerne County, drew national attention for what legal experts say is a dangerous gap in the juvenile justice systems of many states — children appearing in court without lawyers.

Mr. Ciavarella, now 60, sentenced thousands of young people, funneling them into two private detention centers prosecutors say were run by his friends who slipped him payments in a “cash for kids” scheme.

Few of the young people had lawyers, a chronic problem that legal scholars say makes guilty pleas more likely, saddling them with criminal records. The state has since expunged more than 6,000 records of youths Mr. Ciavarella sentenced, some for crimes as small as stealing a jar of nutmeg.

Full article here.