Valentines snapshot

Valentines snapshot

Enjoy ya'll

http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/2975248

Great!

Sadly no beta, so maybe http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-10-release-dates-leaked/ is right?

Autoupdate worked nicely, but it's strange that "Minimized Update" is shown all the time, and when I click it nothing happens. I think when the autoupdate download is finished a little popup (like "new mail") should appear, telling you that you should restart.

Another thing is, that the update.exe starts your Opera as Admin what is often the wrong account... Maybe you should look at this:
"High elevation can be bad for your application: How to start a non-elevated process at the end of the installation": http://www.codeproject.com/KB/vista-security/RunNonElevated.aspx

Will Opera Link EVER be fixed?
This update AGAIN brought me a hundred doubled bookmarks...

Logging into e-mail interface at www.centrum.cz still doesn't work.

Also, memory usage is a little bit huge. I have RAM cache set to 60 MB, but it's not so hard to get memory usage over 100 MB. I remember older releases where I set to RAM cache to 60 MB and memory usage didn't get over 70 MB. It was nice, but now it's only story of the past

Big Muscle: Unfortunately, memory figures are basically useless unless you give a minimum of details on your system setup. The total amount of RAM in your system would be a good start. That said, from 70 to 100 MB doesn't seem to be a big deal in general. There could be any number of reasons for this, including more data to handle.

How my RAM influence the memory used by Opera? but ok, I have 1 GB RAM. It's not only that Opera eats 100 MB (it would be good if it would be static), but it still grows. Now I had opened one tab (this forum) and memory usage was 96 MB. After Opera restart it was 30 MB, and it increased to 52 MB after opening this page again it. (isn't 22 MB a little much for one page?)

So a bug fix release? No new features?

Originally posted by Brett_Tabke:

No new features?

New (big) features are only expected for the beta...

auto update wouldn't work so i had to update manually, and...

i'm thoroughly disappointed there still isn't a Qt4/x86_64 build for linux.

No more progress bar for XMLHttpRequest (i.e. no more constant progress bar at Gmail)

Hallelujah!

Originally posted by echoes1:

auto update wouldn't work so i had to update manually, and...

i'm thoroughly disappointed there still isn't a Qt4/x86_64 build for linux.

I'm less disappointed about that fact than I am disappointed that the Opera Desktop Team refuses to say anything about why they don't and they ignore users who ask why . People keep commenting and asking on their blog and here and elsewhere and they completely ignore those questions.

Not even a "WIR", or "not in your lifetime", just silence.

This build won't recognize Voice stuff -- even when it downloads them anew. Oops!

Unfortunately I am unable to use this build due to displaying problem of Korean fonts.
The fonts do not work properly by setting in Opera's Preferences and not even in my CSS.

I'm having problems on The Wall Street Journal Online - wsj.com. Clicking on the "Comments" tab of an article doesn't work. The address bar changes the URL to indicate the comments page, but I just stay on the article.

Directly beneath the "Article/Comments" tabs, there's a "Share" button with a down arrow. Clicking the down arrow should give a list of sites like Facebook, MySpace, Digg, etc. But in Opera nothing happens.

Example: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123448293075579777.html

I have tried masking as IE/FF. No luck there.

Originally posted by Big Muscle:

How my RAM influence the memory used by Opera?

It's a crucial piece of information. Posting about memory issues without mentioning the amount of memory in your system is like posting about a site without telling people the address of the site.

Originally posted by haavard:

Originally posted by Big Muscle:

How my RAM influence the memory used by Opera?

It's a crucial piece of information. Posting about memory issues without mentioning the amount of memory in your system is like posting about a site without telling people the address of the site.

Indeed, the question is a bit like "how does my bank balance influence the money spent shopping?" I find that Opera uses about 1/4 to 1/2 of total RAM in general.

Mediafire still broken :/

Originally posted by olli:

BAMAToNE: Confirmed, did you file a bug report? :-)

DSK-246880 for comments problem
DSK-246881 for "Share" dropdown menu problem

They may both be the same kind of Javascript problem, but I decided to file two separate bug reports since it's two different actions.

Thanks, Olli!

Originally posted by Exolon:

I find that Opera uses about 1/4 to 1/2 of total RAM in general.

Holy shit! How much ram do you have? 512MB?
I have 2GB and Opera uses MAX 250MB => 1/8. But usually less....

Hi, this site crashes todays version (under linux):

http://www.mobilmania.cz/Titulni-strana/Dell-M109s-jak-udelat-kino-z-mobilu/sc-21-sr-1-a-1121454/default.aspx

I am unable to run the valentines snapshot on my mac book pro.

When I launch Opera it crashes immediately after bringing up the main window, but before anything (toolbars or content) is painted.

This happens even after a full reboot, with nothing else running. My machine is an intel machine, but I have tried installing both the universal and the intel only version, and both display the same behavior. I am running Mac OS X 10.4.11 with all the latest updates. Has anybody else experienced this? What further debugging steps should I take?

Dave

@dnm240: This might help. And this.

well now youtube etc fully work <touch wood!> I can use V10 a LOT more!! also gmaps, and gmail working nicely ....

- I just hope Google don't start mangling the code *yet again*...

Originally posted by Squirt:

Mediafire still broken :/

What's the problem with Mediafire? It seems to be working here.

Leo CG

The spellcheck underline is much better. And (hopefully) no more blank emails.

Originally posted by LeoCG:

Originally posted by Squirt:

Mediafire still broken :/

What's the problem with Mediafire? It seems to be working here.

Leo CG

Its stuck on "Processing download request..."

Originally posted by Zero3K:

Originally posted by LeoCG:

Originally posted by Squirt:

Mediafire still broken :/

What's the problem with Mediafire? It seems to be working here.

Leo CG

Its stuck on "Processing download request..."

the same for me

can You use widget with this nightly?

Hello
I'm having problems with http://www.netvibes.com/
when I open this site stays saying "Please wait a moment..."
with last snapshot (New Year's) it works fine
thanks

Originally posted by fabianri:

Hello
I'm having problems with http://www.netvibes.com/
when I open this site stays saying "Please wait a moment..."
with last snapshot (New Year's) it works fine
thanks

Confirmed. Whole site seems to have problems with Opera.
This is in the Error log:

Event thread: DOMContentLoaded
name: ReferenceError
message: Security error: attempted to write protected variable 'name'

Scrolling with middle mouse click has stopped working for me.

not very smooth while using application in facebook..

I think this has been forever like this, not just in this build, but:
Why is it, that Opera renders :hover CSS and the like far slower while the page is loading?
To test what I mean you can open this page http://www.maxogc.net/tribes/t2/master.php while simulating a slow (say 4kb/s) connection.
While the pages is still loading and you hover over the table rows it's very sluggish, but when it has finished loading it's very fast...

This makes Opera feel slow on many web sites. Could one of the devs explain this to me?

Opera just crashed after writing my last post while downloading over BT.
Crashlog: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/152575/crash20090219153432.log

Edit: And AGAIN... (seems like this Snapshot isn't a fan of BT)
Crashlog: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/152575/crash20090219154218.log

Edit 2: This time I even didn't browse... (this is the last time I'll post this.)
Crashlog: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/152575/crash20090219161536.log


PS: I can't subscribe to this RSS: http://mbrownchicago.spaces.live.com/blog/feed.rss

Did anyone notice this strange rendering bug here on My Opera?

Not only is the top bar doubled but also the fonts are wrong...
(If you don't see it well, open the image in a new tab.)

After a reload of the page everything is back to normal...

Happens not too frequently, but often enough to disturb one.

Try cleaning cache and cookies and restarting Opera. Also make sure that under View --> Styles --> it is set to author mode and that there is nothing selected in the lower part of that menu drop down.

Often the back button needs to be pressed twice in order to return to the previous page. Not site specific, might happen in just a part of a big site, and then work normally in other parts of the same site. Seems some web code or whatever confuses Opera to count the same page as opened twice in a row, resulting in duplicate back-history entries.
YouTube does it almost always when switching directly from one video to another. Gallery-like sites also do this a lot.

Also the touchtheSky widget displays just a white rectangle since about the introduction of Kestrel (starting Opera v9.5x until the current snapshot). Curiously, it works fine here on Opera v9.60 build 10447, and maybe some others.

Another issue... approving certificates doesn't seem to work, I keep getting this prompt all the time despite ticking the checkbox:

Originally posted by EricJH:

Also make sure that under View --> Styles --> it is set to author mode and that there is nothing selected in the lower part of that menu drop down.

If I had selected something there it would happen all the time...

Originally posted by RainyShadow:

Another issue... approving certificates doesn't seem to work, I keep getting this prompt all the time despite ticking the checkbox:

Yeah, this is for some servers always the case. No idea why...

The Berlios certificate issue is because they are self signing their own certificates. BerliOS.CA is not a certificate authority you will find in the list which comes with any browser. Not a Opera 10 issue at all, it does the same as one would expect in all versions of Opera or for that matter Firefox (don't know about IE, it maybe ignores the issue).

Originally posted by davews:

The Berlios certificate issue is because they are self signing their own certificates. BerliOS.CA is not a certificate authority you will find in the list which comes with any browser. Not a Opera 10 issue at all, it does the same as one would expect in all versions of Opera or for that matter Firefox (don't know about IE, it maybe ignores the issue).

Of course, this is the reason why the dialog is displayed in the first place, but why doesn't Opera REMEMBER our choice?

Thanks for the updated snapshot. Much appreciated. Sadly I had to remove it and revert to an earlier alpha release. (My main interest is testing the spellchecker.)

This snapshot incorrectly handles words when adding words to the user's custom dictionary.

The following illustrates the issue. Obviously the word "abcd" is not a real a word. It is provided as an example to help reproduce the issue.

If I add the word "abcds" to the dictionary, the word "abcd" is now marked as being spelt correct.

I hope this helps.

justlocal, what rules do you think are being invoked for "abcds"? Did you specify any...? If "abcds" is assumed (...defaults to) a plural noun, the spell-check is correct. (Artificial intelligence is not a substitute for native intelligence.) If you don't know the dictionary's rules, don't be too put-out when it doesn't know your presumptions.

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

justlocal, what rules do you think are being invoked for "abcds"? Did you specify any...? If "abcds" is assumed (...defaults to) a plural noun, the spell-check is correct. (Artificial intelligence is not a substitute for native intelligence.) If you don't know the dictionary's rules, don't be too put-out when it doesn't know your presumptions.

Indeed - if you add 'houses' to the dictionary, should it add the singular 'house'?
What about for 'mice'? Similarly, the plural of 'roof' is 'roofs' but the plural of 'hoof' is 'hooves'. There are many many inconsistent pluralisations in English.

That said however, the checker could test an unrecognised word with a simple heuristic that checks if the word looks like a plural, and matches it against possible singular forms. E.g. if the unrecognised word matches the pattern '(*)s' and the matched part exists in the dictionary, the word could be assumed to be spelt correctly. This would suffice for most regular plurals (e.g. houses -> house, roses -> rose, cats -> cat, but not mice -> mouse or geese -> goose). It depends on how much annoyance is caused by the checker rejecting plurals (I think you should add singular words to the dictionary in the first place, rather than plurals) compared to how much annoyance is caused by the checker incorrectly accepting mispelled words like "mouses"... which doesn't seem like it'd be a big problem really.
Did the older spelling checker do this already? From justlocal's post it seems like it did, so it would be interesting to know what happened there. Personally I don't use spellcheckers because I don't tend to make enough mistakes (mine are in the content, not the presentation ), so I wouldn't know.

Originally posted by Exolon:

how much annoyance is caused by the checker incorrectly accepting misspelled words like "mouses"

Interestingly enough, I just tried turning spell-check on to test out some of its heuristics and "mouses" reads correct ("sheeps", "cherrys", "potatos", etc. read incorrect). Is mouse a verb?

Yes, even before there were computers, mouse was a verb... (Would you like a kitten?)

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

Would you like a kitten?

Now that I see that link, I remember I've actually heard the nautical term before (friends a sailing nut). Never the stalking kitten one though... I must use it some time.

Oh yeah, I forgot mouse was also a verb So there's even less likelihood of incorrectly accepting mispelled words with simple heuristics!

Originally posted by Exolon:

simple heuristics!

Simple? Look at MS office, by now they must have spent millions getting grammar checking right. Nevertheless, at least in Dutch, it is still largely useless in my experience. There's nothing simple about this.

Originally posted by Zotlan:

Look at MS office

The complexities of grammar checking are far from those of simple spellcheckers. MS have wasted millions on their puerile grammar checking system only to have it ridiculed by academics, but I'm fairly sure accurate spellchecking is doable. The other question of course is whether it's any benefit to anyone...

Originally posted by lucideer:

The complexities of grammar checking are far from those of simple spellcheckers. MS have wasted millions on their puerile grammar checking system only to have it ridiculed by academics, but I'm fairly sure accurate spellchecking is doable. The other question of course is whether it's any benefit to anyone...

Certainly, but distinguishing mouses, the correctly spelled verb from mouses, the ungrammatical mice, is not spell checking, that's grammar checking. A spell checker will see nothing wrong with. "I recently bought a couple of mouses as stuffing for my Christmas geas* " Which is clearly gibberish.

*ok, this particular spellchecker does but only because it does not know the word Geas.

Originally posted by OED:

In Irish folklore: a solemn injunction, prohibition, or taboo; a moral obligation.

Originally posted by Zotlan:

the word Geas

Who's OED? And what's Geas? Never heard of it.