When will be the beta release of opera 10 alpha?

When will be the beta release of opera 10 alpha?

Hi forum members,

when will be the beta release of opera 10 alpha?

I am guessing late May. I can‘t see it being much later than that.

When its ready.

Opera, Firefox and Chrome are now pretty much competing for the same customers.

Chrome has done a recent release but they are doing frequent small updates. But both Opera and Firefox hav now major releases due. None of them want to release a final (feature complete) version and still allow the competition to do something better, or the same. That is also why Firefox has been so long in Beta and no dates yet for their final. Opera still claims it is in Alpha so they will definitely make the most of that to do their final release only after Firefox has gone final.

Originally posted by malwarecide:

beta release of opera 10 alpha

never. An "alpha" means not being a beta...
Besides this, it will be exactly 28. of May 'cause this is my birthday.

Originally posted by Twitter:

RT @teddysf Time to close up there at work. Big week ahead for Opera next week! Stay tuned. Time to jump on 280 and high-tail it to SF.

Originally posted by Twitter:

RT @opera: Opera 10 beta: We're working on it. We promise it will be worth the wait.

*still hoping for my BD*

I am thinking it may be the 25th or 28th. But it may be in June. Who knows.

Opera should take their time and fix most rendering engine bugs that exist before moving to beta stage. Hesitation is no answer here, i really, really don't won't to see same mistakes as when 9.5 was released. If that means another year in labs, then let it be.

Just my two cents

Originally posted by Barthez:

Opera should take their time and fix most rendering engine bugs that exist before moving to beta stage. Hesitation is no answer here, i really, really don't won't to see same mistakes as when 9.5 was released. If that means another year in labs, then let it be.

I don't think so. Most rendering issues come from the rendering engine (current Presto 2.2.2). And as we are already at 2.2.x there won't be any big steps anyway. The big step was from 2.1 to 2.2 (But I hope for rounded corners anyway...).
Therefore I think the release of a beta should only be influenced by the new features. (Of course besides really BIG rendering issues).
I guess we'll be at least at Presto 2.2.3 or 2.2.4 for final anyway...

(Still hoping for a release at my BD, May 28 )

How about June 1st my birthday and a Monday

Whats the point of releasing a perfect version if people don't know about it or even don't use it. So, my point is that every such waiting time from alpha to beta to final should be used for marketing also. Has opera done that? No. So, better be late. I would hope they release it late for this reason. I know it sounds weird but I am being fan of opera for more than a decade now, gettting little frustrated with the fact that it is not getting the user base it should get (consider the quality of it).
After the final release, there should be major marketing push but now there shoould be push to make the name familiar. Why people would even care if opera had version 10 or 11, if there favorite site does not work or if they think IE is all about internet(nothing else even exist!)?

No hurry opera! Take time but do it right.

Originally posted by DanielHendrycks:

Heres a way Opera 10 can be popular and convert many users.
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=275740

There several other threads coming out of community and entire forum section for that. But my point was on opera's own effort. Anyway, lets not divert this thread anymore. We can discuss anywhere in those.

For this thread, I guess it will come out in summer(june/july) but hope opera pushes more towards marketing as opera 10 comes out.

I am pretty much sure that it will come in by june and the final will be in for grabs by september.

Originally posted by operafan2006:

So, my point is that every such waiting time from alpha to beta to final should be used for marketing also. Has opera done that? No.

What kind of marketing are you talking about exactly?

I know it sounds weird but I am being fan of opera for more than a decade now, gettting little frustrated with the fact that it is not getting the user base it should get (consider the quality of it).

More than 40 million users now, 55% growth in 2007, 67% in 2008. 3% market share worldwide, more than 7% in Europe.

After the final release, there should be major marketing push but now there shoould be push to make the name familiar. Why people would even care if opera had version 10 or 11, if there favorite site does not work or if they think IE is all about internet(nothing else even exist!)?

What does site compatibility have to do with marketing pushes?

Originally posted by WayOfTheBastard:

What does site compatibility have to do with marketing pushes?

If during a campaign Opera converts many people web developers will make their sites compatible.

To be honest guys, I think currently there are still too much bugs for Opera 10 to go BETA...

Let's be realistic here, it wouldn't be any good to add more features before we got a stable working browser, because the chances are there will be more bugs as new features added into the browser. So, the developers should take their time to fix as many bugs as possible before launching a BETA to the world... We surely don't want the similar embarrassment of IE8 & FF3 BETAs happen to Opera 10 BETA...

RT @Hicksdesign Just been told that there might be a Opera 'snapshot build' tomorrow with a peek at the incomplete new UI. It won't contain the new features

Well then no Beta for birthday I guess...

Anything I write in response to your questions, will be off-topic and i hate to do that. All of your questions are answered or discussed in many threads in the forum (for example this one or this one). Please understand that and contribute your ideas in that regard to any forum threads you like.

Originally posted by WayOfTheBastard:

Originally posted by operafan2006:

So, my point is that every such waiting time from alpha to beta to final should be used for marketing also. Has opera done that? No.

What kind of marketing are you talking about exactly?
Mostly to make the name more familiar.

I know it sounds weird but I am being fan of opera for more than a decade now, gettting little frustrated with the fact that it is not getting the user base it should get (consider the quality of it).

More than 40 million users now, 55% growth in 2007, 67% in 2008. 3% market share worldwide, more than 7% in Europe.
I personally do not think that is quite an achievement for a browser of opera's quality after being around for 12 years or more.

After the final release, there should be major marketing push but now there shoould be push to make the name familiar. Why people would even care if opera had version 10 or 11, if there favorite site does not work or if they think IE is all about internet(nothing else even exist!)?

What does site compatibility have to do with marketing pushes?
Probably you missed the major point. But when you recommend opera to someone and he/she immediately says oh it does not work well in many sites, it hurts marketing push. Word of mouth, particularly negative certification runs fast and stays longer than it should be (Like many think opera still not free).

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My guess is Mid-June .
But hopefully, we will see a new snapshot today showing the new UI. I am really excited about this.

I guess I've missed something, but what makes you think the new UI is coming? A link would be very welcome if it was an announcement or a forum thread

Originally posted by Avlor:

I guess I've missed something, but what makes you think the new UI is coming? A link would be very welcome if it was an announcement or a forum thread

As you can see from my post above it was said by Hicksdesign at Twitter... (But only a maybe...)

Originally posted by operafan2006:

Originally posted by WayOfTheBastard:

What kind of marketing are you talking about exactly?

Mostly to make the name more familiar.

That doesn't really answer my question. What kind of marketing are you expecting, exactly? What should Opera be doing?

I personally do not think that is quite an achievement for a browser of opera's quality after being around for 12 years or more.

Opera has only been a free download and without ads for 3 or 4 years. You can't count all 10-15 years when it was just aimed at a small niche market (paid browsers) before that.

Probably you missed the major point. But when you recommend opera to someone and he/she immediately says oh it does not work well in many sites, it hurts marketing push.

Yes, and your point is? Compatibility isn't something you can fix overnight as there are too many complex reasons. So if you expect Opera to hold it off until all sites work, Opera 10 will never be released.

you seem to be very interested in continuing an off-topic discussion.

Originally posted by WayOfTheBastard:

Originally posted by operafan2006:

Originally posted by WayOfTheBastard:

What kind of marketing are you talking about exactly?

Mostly to make the name more familiar.

That doesn't really answer my question. What kind of marketing are you expecting, exactly? What should Opera be doing?
The type of marketing to make the name of opera familiar should be decided by opera and many proposals/ideas are around in many threads in this forum. No point reiterating those or adding things to an off-topic thread.

I personally do not think that is quite an achievement for a browser of opera's quality after being around for 12 years or more.

Opera has only been a free download and without ads for 3 or 4 years. You can't count all 10-15 years when it was just aimed at a small niche market (paid browsers) before that.
Well, I said, thats my personal view and yours may be different. I think opera has not got the market as it should considering its quality. They are a company and they know whats their best/success etc. As users, everyone else here may have different opinion.

Probably you missed the major point. But when you recommend opera to someone and he/she immediately says oh it does not work well in many sites, it hurts marketing push.

Yes, and your point is? Compatibility isn't something you can fix overnight as there are too many complex reasons. So if you expect Opera to hold it off until all sites work, Opera 10 will never be released.
I know the problem of site compatibiltiy and I never said opera should hold off until all sites work(which will never happen in short term). But opera is making progress towards that front and users need to know that. Sometimes opera need to prioritize(they often does) in fixing issues in major sites where there are more potential users (for examples issues with google ones, prominent news sites, schools etc). As I said in original post "After the final release, there should be major marketing push but now there shoould be push to make the name familiar. Why people would even care if opera had version 10 or 11, if there favorite site does not work or if they think IE is all about internet (nothing else even exist!)?

So please try to understand that I am not in a blame game but I am trying to emphasize the need for better marketing push by opera in order to succeed. otherwise, it will be just another opera release where fan base will be excited about. user base will not expand.

I did a quick spring cleaning by removing all previous 10 Alpha builds, user account directories and related registry entries before installing the latest build (1535 for Win). The installer asked if I want it installed to its default directory, Program Files\Opera 10 Beta !

As Alpha/Preview builds are supposed to be for the engine under the hood, a preview of new skin in this build does indicate at last the team has started paying attention to the cosmetic side, therefore the development is no longer in the Alpha state. This build is obviously not a public beta, but seems to me at least a pre-beta.

Shall we celebrate? Or wait until release of official/public Beta?

[Addendum]
According to haavard

Originally posted by haavard:

No, it's a snapshot. Treat it like (pre-)alpha software.

So, a pre-Beta snapshot it is.

Originally posted by mimi_s_mum:

Shall we celebrate? Or wait until release of official/public Beta?

I think we should celebrate when it is an official beta.

Originally posted by operafan2006:

The type of marketing to make the name of opera familiar should be decided by opera and many proposals/ideas are around in many threads in this forum. No point reiterating those or adding things to an off-topic thread.

I keep reading about how Opera should do "marketing", but no one ever explains exactly what they mean by "marketing". What, exactly should Opera be doing? Examples, please.

Version
10.00 Beta
Build
1535

Originally posted by Pesala:

Version
10.00 Beta
Build
1535

I think it is a pre-beta not a beta.

This "Beta" works better than the "production" "9". At least for the sites I visit and the systems that use a browser front end for administration.

Originally posted by cx650t:

This "Beta" works better than the "production" "9". At least for the sites I visit and the systems that use a browser front end for administration.

Good to hear. For those interested: the change in default installation folder and opera:about gets done before we release a beta. An Beta release is much a bigger deal for us because it gets wider distribution and attention. This time we are still releasing (a) snapshot build(s) between the change in naming and the actual official release of the build that we deem beta-worthy as the 'Beta'.

I now think Beta will be June 26th. It agrees with the schedule. http://www.opera.com/bitmaps/products/browser/next/timeline.png
And it is on a Friday. (They aim for Friday releases)

I don't think they release on a Friday anymore unless its off the autoupdate, or Mondays for some reason.

Originally posted by BleedingHeart:

I don't think they release on a Friday anymore unless its off the autoupdate, or Mondays for some reason.

Hmm, then maybe its release will be exactly as the schedule says which would be half way through the year. That would be the last day of June. June 30th!

Beta releases seem to be on Tuesdays generally - not always, but they seem to be. Usually they give us a build to play with over the weekend, if we don't find any serious issues then that build is the beta.

Um, usually. It occurs to me they hinted at some features they haven't announced yet, if they are trying to keep those secret until the actual beta then I'm not completely certain what they will do. On the other hand, we've had some bad experience with secret features in betas in the past, maybe they'll actually include them in the RC of the beta? I forget which exact version it was, but one time they had compatibility issues with a feature they threw into a beta which wasn't in a prior snapshot (well, public snapshot anyway of course they have the new features in internal builds sent out to their testers, but that's still a pretty limited group).

I've been thinking for some time that the beta would be pretty soon - but then again, it hasn't happened yet. I suppose if I had to pick a date ... what's two weeks from Tuesday? June 16th, then.

Originally posted by sgunhouse:

It occurs to me they hinted at some features they haven't announced yet

Hearing about new secret futures from you, suddenly made waiting for beta a more relax and calm experience , lol

Well, you actually heard about it from them (if you were paying attention) ...

Originally posted by DesktopTeam:

This build doesn't include the new features in Opera 10, so one of the reasons for the revised skin isn't there. All we be clear when the beta comes out!

I've been very careful not to say anything you shouldn't already know ... but yes, there are new features (plural) that you haven't seen yet. (And yes, the typo in the above quote is original.)

I was tracking news about v10 with attention, it's just a little frustrating to hear "Those new candies are real sweet" form someone who already tried them

Anyway, I'm happy that Opera guys feels that they are ready to push testing phase forward. If I'm concerned about testing phase it's only because i want v10 to become successful at the end

About one hour ago, Jon Hicks wrote the following on his Twitter Account:

Originally posted by Hickensian:

Wondering what skin fixes made it in to the beta candidate.

Since he used the word "made", I'll guess that the Beta is pretty near. Or at least another Pre-Beta Snapshot .

last twitt er message from opera is even mere enigmatic http://twitter.com/opera/status/2001759684 (;

AWESOME! Could it be....Opera 10 goes beta tomorrow? ! I'm really loving Opera 10 alphas, and if, as expected, the beta offers new features that haven't been featured in the alphas yet....it will just be the coolest browser ever.

let's not rush it and take things slow, i don't mind waiting for beta or even final, let Opera iron out the "wrinkles" that way other browsers come out and they can "adapt" from those releases.

I would be Ok with Beta not being tomorrow. I want the skin to worked out well.

does it make much difference to us, if it's alpha, beta or final release?

It works really well, cool features and, well, it's Opera!

http://yfrog.com/5h6foj

Picture dropped by BBC click on twitter. I hope its true

Originally posted by YeOK:

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Have you noticed they corrected the problem with height and alignment of address bar? IMHO very important and noticeable feature of that image - don't you think?

Originally posted by lwiczek:

IMHO very important and noticeable feature of that image

Yeah, that first caught my eye

Ok, if that picture is not fake I have mixed feelings.
On one side that feature looks very interesting and... wow, a "Configure Speed Dial" button. That's about time! On the other side I'm one of these, who wanted less vertical space wasted. Those "visual tabs" don't look very space-saving. Furthermore I am not sure if that feature is needed. I mean - if I have many tabs opened I still find the tab I am searching for. And when there are... let's say more than 15 tabs then even a widescreen would have to resize the tabs so small that one could not recognise the content.

Originally posted by YeOK:

http://yfrog.com/5h6foj

Picture dropped by BBC click on twitter. I hope its true

Oh. My. God.

Originally posted by julben:

Furthermore I am note sure if that feature is needed. I mean - if I have many tabs opened I still find the tab I am searching for. And when there are... let's say more than 15 tabs then even a widescreen would have to resize the tabs so small that one could not recognise the content.

Seeing this from my perspective - I probably won't use it (many opened tabs, etc), but watching how other (less fluent with computers) this could really work! (especially if it's integrated with system/win7 taskbar features)

Originally posted by julben:

On the other side I'm one of these, who wanted less vertical space wasted. Those "visual tabs" don't look very space-saving.

True, but if you have tabs on the left, like me, this should even SAVE same space