Turmoil in Iran

Turmoil in Iran

Where will the turmoil in Iran lead? Will there be a revolution? Is a revolution even possible, or is the government too powerful?

There is one thing of to say there be a revolution to topple the dictator Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.maybe yes and it sure be a long process or could be quick ,but the other is THE AYATOLLAH he is really the heart of Iran ,and people demonstrate against the president but will not utter words against the Ayatollah well dare not some may push the boat out but at a risk .As it is said ;
Ayatollah Khamenei — who was scorned as a religious lightweight by many more established mullahs when he was chosen for the top post in 1989 — has repeatedly shown himself willing to undercut the “Islamic” in Islamic revolution. In doing so, he has painted himself into a corner — a permanent alliance with Mr. Ahmadinejad and the Revolutionary Guards. And this fraudulent election will only push them closer together.
I speak with many in Iran at the moment last two days its been well quiet from my end but many young people feel they have been ruled out of there say and the women are rising even more .This is dangerous for Iran and this is why western media and shutdowns are been put to the death at the moment ,as for facebook maybe it could topple iran who knows a simple website that is shaking IRAN ...

Eventually the Persians will tire of being ruled by an Arabic speaking clique. The Persians have been brutalized and colonized by outside influences for too long. It is unbearable for Persians to be told that their language is not good enough to to use in worship.

They had better pull their collective socks up then!

The World and especially the rest of the Middle East is transfixed on the events occurring in Iran

Not me... They can blame the Little Satan for all they want. I have ceased caring. It is old news. It would be interesting only if they managed to vapourise themselves off the face of the planet.

If it is not in Glasgow it is not newsworthy?

middle class and upper middle class in the streets in iran cant become anything revolutionary at all.


it happen in venezuela before, middle class taking the streets upset because they want a change and wont happen the way they wanted.

suddenly the states is very supportive in iran but not in other countries where governments were voted in a very questionable way?

same as bush election questionable all the way.

dodgy very dodgy.

Originally posted by jax:

If it is not in Glasgow it is not newsworthy?

Nothing in Glasgow is newsworthy anyway.

Originally posted by jax:

If it is not in Glasgow it is not newsworthy?

Glasgow to the more discering here is of course always news owrthy. It is alwys bemusing when people misuse stats to describe Glasgow which is traditionally a gritty former industrial city. Even in crime it is misrepresented. Not so long ago a know-it-all was trumnpeting about an excess of a hundred murders. I found this of special amusement as there is Glasgow police force. That got merged decades ago into Strathclyde Ploce. There are 4 Divisions in the city and according to police sorces and lcoal newspapers (including the Vox, Daily Record which I abhor) there are in fact pver the 4 Dvisions of Strathclyde Police there is an average of 3 murders a month in the city and most tend to be in that dark place the East Side. The sorces say the annual murders in the city itself come out at the mid-40's and previous figures wafted here by the weak grey cellss here stuck the regional total onto Glasgow. The bottom thankful line is that most were on people kn own and not strangers. Equally it is of note that the East End which has a less than salubrious reputation has a high proiportion of old red socks people so the Confessional is no doubt a spur to them? No small wonder that Irish red scoks citadel of Celtic was built out there and am I glad of that coming from the West.

Glasgow is also a Victorian City and looking above shop fronts there is a tremendous view. For museums it can hardly be better and all free. Tourists flock to the place and it has excellent transport. Of goodly note is the largest suburban rail system outside London and the only Subway. Indeed before WW2 the tramway system was also the largest outside London (existed until 1962) and transport chiefs came from across the glove to marvel at it. It was in it's past a great shipbuilding and railway engine buildre for the world. That industrial legacy is all but gone apart from 2 shipyards but it is cleaner, brighter and has a great night life. It is also the hub for the whole of West and South West Scotland andall the wee towns round it's boundaries that feed off it. Shopping is a delight as are the eateries. Our cathedral and history predate the Reformation and also became a Garden Festival City and a City of Culture accolades. It is home to 4 football clubs (two of Scotland's largest) andf the National Football Stadium is here too. Routh and ready it is a far friendlier place than snooty Edinburgh.

Being born in the centre of the Universe is a great thing.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Even in crime it is misrepresented.

Umm, nope

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/sep/26/ukcrime.scotland

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Being born in the centre of the Universe is a great thing.

Being born the centre of the Universe is an even greater thing.

Just being born is wonderful!

Unlike being born just.

Nobody is born just. At least that's my take after watching my grandchildren running around here over the last several days.

you're suppose to be talking about Iran, remember?

So have you been on the streets protesting Esikhafan?

no, i love my dear life! and it hasn't been that much in our city

I see.
Do you think A-jad won the vote and if so, do you think he won it by the margin declared?

I offer myself as Shah and claim the Throne back.

Iran would be a nice country if it wasnt run by wackos.

I hear ya Mr. Howie. So you're going to go Muslim?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I hear ya Mr. Howie. So you're going to go Muslim?

Probably zoroastrian

Originally posted by jax:

Being born the centre of the Universe is an even greater thing.

If Einstein was right about light speed's uniformity then everybody is always in the center of the observable universe

he would've won the elction even without any rigging, what he was trying to do was to smash the reformists

Yes, I believe that he won the election. I have my doubts about anyone who (being accepted by the nuts in the shadows) is allowed to offer themselves up for election in such a system. I am also wary about the interference from the West for a guy they used to dislike.

Saturday about 29 people in prison will be executed Qzlhsar karaj???????for crimes that the make up .what a wonderful regime A Mugabiaberdajin.........

"I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one single religion and it is the Spirit." Kahlil Gibran Freedom , Peace, & Love to all !!!

I recently saw some news item that Israel was fitting some aircraft for special long range missions. I have wondered why Israel did not attack Iran's nuclear bomb facilities before now, even while Bush was president. I am thinking now that maybe they were waiting to see how this election would turn out and if there would be a revolution. The Israelies and the Americans must have had intelligence reports that indicated there would be some kind of turmoil. It may have just been a matter of waiting to see what would happen.

So my question is, if there is no revolution, will Israel now attack?

Originally posted by Esikhafan:

you're suppose to be talking about Iran, remember?

I don't even remember what I ate for breakfast.

Originally posted by ptgauthor:

So my question is, if there is no revolution, will Israel now attack?

My question is What outcome from a "revolution" would have made Israel comfortable?

Does anybody actually expect to see Israel nuked? Anybody?

And paray tell me ptgauthor what would give israel any more moral authority to attack Iran that the other way round?? Israel too HAS nuclear stuff that is the world's worst kept secret. I dare say that Tel Avid did have to wait for the american Election that their cohorts in the States are always involved in. The US will never be an honest broker as it is too far up Israel toi be so. U&nder the previous US administration under Bush Israel was acting on the US's behalf. It would be a step in the right direction if the new adminin DC srated being a bit more open-handed. There are some signs but with the Tel Aviv lobby constantly at the heels on Capitol Hill President Obama will not find it easy. Votes and money do great things but not alway in the best way?

I am not asking if Israel would have moral authority. Do you think they will attack or not attack?

Originally posted by ptgauthor:

I am not asking if Israel would have moral authority. Do you think they will attack or not attack?

nope they be foolish too and they know it .
if anything i would worry more of america .

I don't think the United States will attack as long as President Obama is in office. I thought President Bush might, but he didn't. But not Obama.

Originally posted by ptgauthor:

I am not asking if Israel would have moral authority. Do you think they will attack or not attack?

Israel hasn't any choice the president of Iran has continually declared his intention to destroy Israel. Abdeminajab has to be taken at his word. It appears that Saudia Arabia is also concerned by Iran having nukes in that the green light has been given to use it's airspace in a strike by Israel against Iran's nuclear weapons production sites.

My prediction.

Israel will attack via the White House, by using a 'manufactured attack' on itself, that they conveniently will blame on Iran and have all the 'proof' anyone could ever want (again all manufactured).

Oh, and this attack will coincide with an attack, that they again will 'manufacture', on a special place in the USA, The Holocaust Museum, to get US sympathy & support.

Obama's manhood will be challenged by the Far-Right, & because he wants everybody to believe he has a bigger set of imaginary stones than Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu, he will, in a vain effort to look good, take control & nuke Iran by accident, during a faked reprisal gone wrong. [/img]

Originally posted by grysmn:

Abdeminajab has to be taken at his word.

The reason being?
G, don't believe everything you read in the newspapers or hear on TV.

"Wiped off the map" or "Vanish from the pages of time" translation

Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) statement that Ahmadinejad had demanded that "Israel must be wiped off the map",[5][6] an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing",[7] or to "obliterate totally",[8] or "destroy completely".[9]

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? " according to the text published on the President's Office's website, and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini.[10]

According to Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as:
The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[11]

The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly, as "be eliminated from the pages of history."[12]

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian". Instead, "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

Cole, as well as others who have commented, is fluent in Farsi. Can that be said of our experts in the media. No basher of the media, generally, I am forever skeptical of much of the "expertise" found there.

Never believe Iranians choose such a swindler liar. Ahmadi Nejad won the election because Ayatollah Khamenei wanted. People didn’t want Ahmadi Nejad.
There is a huge gap between government and Iranians. What Khamenei or Ahmadi Nejad said is not what Iranians say.
Surely Khamenei and Ahmadi Nejad never believe in human rights. They never believe in democracy. I live in Iran and I see what they do. Not just me; all Iranians know. During the demonstrations my innocent brothers and sisters killed in Tehran’s streets and other cities and Khamenei and Ahmadi Nejad called them rioters!!! They called them perverse!!! How we can stand it??

Originally posted by marjan21:

Never believe Iranians choose such a swindler liar. Ahmadi Nejad won the election because Ayatollah Khamenei wanted. People didn’t want Ahmadi Nejad.
There is a huge gap between government and Iranians. What Khamenei or Ahmadi Nejad said is not what Iranians say.
Surely Khamenei and Ahmadi Nejad never believe in human rights. They never believe in democracy. I live in Iran and I see what they do. Not just me; all Iranians know. During the demonstrations my innocent brothers and sisters killed in Tehran’s streets and other cities and Khamenei and Ahmadi Nejad called them rioters!!! They called them perverse!!! How we can stand it??

you still have access to certain sites ,last time i hear even my friends could not access their msn hotmail adresses and i am still not hear from them maybe dead who knows hope not .So some improvement there then .
Then the people make up more of the security KILL HIM i would .
But then i am such a lovely person i pray for him he may see the light .