a "hand" to Grab and Drag the page, for scrolling. (like PDF Readers, Image editors, etc.)

a "hand" to Grab and Drag the page, for scrolling. (like PDF Readers, Image editors, etc.)

When its totally accepted to scroll a webpage to up/down or right/left by the scroll bars, or to up/down by the mouse wheel, but I think it would be helpful to have a grabbing hand that when holding the left click, it would grab the point that it stands on it, and when dragging the mouse pointer (the hand) to any direction, the webpage will be dragged.

Usages contain when sombody has zoomed in a text that makes him scrol left/right to read a line, and scroll down to read next paragraph. the scrolling, itself, would be very annoying after a while. "Fit to width" doesn't work after a certain zoom-in magnitude, or sometimes, "Fit to width" makes webpage worst and the user has to scroll to left and right for reading the text.

finally, such grabbing hand just adds to the package of Opera features and doesn't harm.

examples: ACDsee, All PDF Readers from any developper,

PS. pressing the middle button of mouse, would provide a 4-directional navigator but it is terrible (at least for me)... because it just hets out of control and I usually lose the point I was reading and have to search for it...

type "opera:config" in the address bar (without the quotation marks) > Enter
in the Quick Find box start typing the word "scroll" until you see the choice "Scroll is pan"
Check its box and click Save > OK.
Tadaaa!
However, this setting makes it very difficult, if not impossible to drag to select text.

EDIT:
I just started playing around wondering if this could be done on the fly without changing the opera:config setting and----Yes! it can.
The magic formula is: Ctrl+Alt+normal-click.
Coooool!
I didn't know that!

Thank you dude09, didn't know about that.
It's such a pity that so many great features of Opera are so well hidden...

btw: is the bug ( http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=257246 ) fixed in the meantime?

The Pictures/Links vs Grab enabled issue is not fixed yet...

I always hated this grabbing thing in PDF readers. One time i found a button in Opera and added it, perhaps it could be useful, but I never used it.
The matter is that this grabbing hand is much to un-intuitive: if i gently roll up a page it might be working, but what if i want to twist up the page like a Tibetian prayer mill?

Originally posted by Wandering electrons:

type "opera:config" in the address bar (without the quotation marks) > Enter
in the Quick Find box start typing the word "scroll" until you see the choice "Scroll is pan"
Check its box and click Save > OK.
Tadaaa!
However, this setting makes it very difficult, if not impossible to drag to select text.

EDIT:
I just started playing around wondering if this could be done on the fly without changing the opera:config setting and----Yes! it can.
The magic formula is: Ctrl+Alt+right-click.
Coooool!
I didn't know that!

That was awsome thank you but I prefer to switch between hand and pointer, by mouse click

Originally posted by voessli:

I always hated this grabbing thing in PDF readers. One time i found a button in Opera and added it, perhaps it could be useful, but I never used it.
The matter is that this grabbing hand is much to un-intuitive: if i gently roll up a page it might be working, but what if i want to twist up the page like a Tibetian prayer mill?

lol such "option" doesn't hurt at least you can avoid using it as an option

edited: sure, I, too, asked for such a feature in the case of scrolling highly zoomed-in texts "gently" to read the text. We may disable the option to "twist the page like those mills (roles)" whenever we wished

Originally posted by dude09:

http://my.opera.com/dude09/blog/how-to-grab-and-drag-pages-with-mouse-only

that was EXACTLY what I wished for

Whoops!
I said "Ctrl+Alt+right-click" in my preceding post to grab and drag on the fly.
The combination is Ctrl+Alt+normal-click (left).
Sorry!
(Corrected above as well)

Thaks elec !
now i mess up grabbing up and scrolling down. Perhaps we should change the scrolling direction ...

Firefox has a feature called momentum scrolling in their 'grab and drag' extension. Its very useful when scrolling through long web pages -- especially for those with small monitors. I tried but couldn't find this feature in Opera..

Welcome.

Tools > Appearance > Buttons | Browser View > Text Selection On

Drag that to a toolbar you want, then click it to grab the page like PDF's and click it again to go back to normal.

Originally posted by play4:

Firefox has a feature called momentum scrolling in their 'grab and drag' extension. Its very useful when scrolling through long web pages -- especially for those with small monitors. I tried but couldn't find this feature in Opera..

what does it do? is it those 4-directional arrows that get activated by pressing mouse middle key? and when you take your mouse from the center of 4-directional arrows, it goes in the direction of center of that 4 arrows to the mouse point?

If yes, I think this is available by Windows in any application. Or at least any application I saw that handle text, has it.

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Originally posted by Quantic:

Welcome.

Tools > Appearance > Buttons | Browser View > Text Selection On

Drag that to a toolbar you want, then click it to grab the page like PDF's and click it again to go back to normal.

thank you beside other friends

Originally posted by victorxstc2:

what does it do?

It's actually better than the regular hand grab in Photoshop or Opera, cuz it got the "momentum scrolling" support, which allow you to literally "throwing the web page around"... The harder you throw, the faster & farther it goes. It's very useful once you learn how to control it, you can scroll at a certain distance like 1 page, 2 pages, or 2-and-a-half pages... depended on how "hard" you throw the page toward a direction.

Currently, Opera only allow user to drag the page around - once you released the button, it stop immediately! Momentum scrolling will allow you to scroll further & the effect last longer, even after you released the button it will still keep going & gradually slowdown. It might sounds like a useless gimmick at first, but can you imagine how handy it would be if you can scroll down 2 and a half pages of distance with just one simple drag & released, instead of hitting the SPACE bar twice & scroll the wheel down a few lines?

If implanted, I think Opera should offer some options such as momentum sensitivity, prefix distance , & option to disabled the momentum function completely for those who doesn't like it.

Originally posted by dude09:

Currently, Opera only allow user to drag the page around - once you released the button, it stop immediately! Momentum scrolling will allow you to scroll further & the effect last longer, even after you released the button it will still keep going & gradually slowdown. It might sounds like a useless gimmick at first, but can you imagine how handy it would be if you can scroll down 2 and a half pages of distance with just one simple drag & released

I just installed that extension and even though you can control sensitivity and what not, I can do the same with Opera, Firefox, IE by midlle-clicking, when I middle-click and move the mouse, I can take my hand off and it'll keep scrolling.
The speed of the scrolling depends of the momentum you give to it.

Originally posted by Quantic:

by midlle-clicking, when I middle-click and move the mouse, I can take my hand off and it'll keep scrolling.

Uh, that is a completely different feature - It's called "Auto-scroll"...

Hand grab is when you grab the page by holding a button (you can customize that in FF extension, in Opera you need to holding ALT+CTRL & drag with Left-mouse button or activate it via button/shortcuts), & then drag or throw it toward a direction... then you can grab the page again to stop the gliding, or throw it again to scroll further. The only difference is Firefox extension got "momentum scrolling" to allow you to "throw" a page...

It's actually completely different than Auto-scroll, which you middle-clicked on empty area to evoke the Direction icon & move the pointer further away to auto-scroll & control the speed of the scrolling. You have to manually stop/disabled Auto-scroll by click on the page or scroll the wheel once, while Hand grab will stop scrolling as you let go of the button.

dude09,

Ok. I probably hadn't set it up correctly, when I replied to you I wasn't seeing it stop but I now do.
That's why I was saying that it did the same as middle-clicking.
Although not very useful to me because I don't use neither (middle-clicking or pan), I can understand the people who want it.
Regards.

Originally posted by dude09:

It's actually better than the regular hand grab in Photoshop or Opera, cuz it got the "momentum scrolling" support, which allow you to literally "throwing the web page around"... The harder you throw, the faster & farther it goes. It's very useful once you learn how to control it, you can scroll at a certain distance like 1 page, 2 pages, or 2-and-a-half pages... depended on how "hard" you throw the page toward a direction.

Currently, Opera only allow user to drag the page around - once you released the button, it stop immediately! Momentum scrolling will allow you to scroll further & the effect last longer, even after you released the button it will still keep going & gradually slowdown. It might sounds like a useless gimmick at first, but can you imagine how handy it would be if you can scroll down 2 and a half pages of distance with just one simple drag & released, instead of hitting the SPACE bar twice & scroll the wheel down a few lines?

If implanted, I think Opera should offer some options such as momentum sensitivity, prefix distance , & option to disabled the momentum function completely for those who doesn't like it.

That was perfect then it is exactly like the drag & drop [actually drag & throw] of "Google Earth", which when you release the grabbed point, it continues moving with the speed of the hand, on releasing... Its a little "smart" too, and delibrately doesn't act when the release speed is too low, or the distance of hand's movement (before releasing) is too short... in such occasions, it understands that the user doesn't want to grab and "Throw" and simply becomes drag and "drop" instead... it would be PERFECT in browsers...

+1
How customize it for RightMouseButton ?

Originally posted by D555:

+1
How customize it for RightMouseButton ?

sorry I didn't get it did you mean to have an option in right click menu somewhere?

I agree 100%. That would be very handy

This is it - just drag with right click somewhere )) - right-click menu must be appeared only by right-click-off without dragging))
Oh, gods..., why don't we just have an extension GrabAndDrag for Opera ((( !? (Let me to dream)) )

Originally posted by D555:

This is it - just drag with right click somewhere )) - right-click menu must be appeared only by right-click-off without dragging))

that sound very handy to me but sometimes I want to do drag/drop for a pretty long while, therefore I need that usual option, there, too [because I prefer to hold the left mous key, as a very old habit, instead of right one ]

but when grabbing for a short time, I think right menu grabbing is better

Originally posted by D555:

Oh, gods..., why don't we just have an extension GrabAndDrag for Opera ((( !? (Let me to dream)) )

?? I don't know Opera can have extensions? (apart from java-scripts...) but I don't think it has extensions to add, like firefox.

For those who never witness or experience Fx Grab & Drag with momentum scrolling, here are videos of what it could do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cSBLd7Jam4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp3mQGOQTzk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxAYMmoCV9o

As you can see, it's best combined with touch screen...

what do u think?