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16. July 2009, 06:46:59

dude09

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Face Gestures is not a joke!!!

Back in April, Opera's April Fool joke is about Face Gestures, which allow user to control the browser by making silly facial movement... This will no longer be a joke, because Project Natal could actually make this into a reality in the near future! Just imagine we won't need keyboard or mouse to interact with the Internet, but using our body movement & spoken commands to surf the web - just like Tom Cruise in Minority Report!

The "good news" is from CNET:

Microsoft doesn't just want to bring gesture recognition to the Xbox with Project Natal. It also wants the technology in Windows, according to a very good source--Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates.



My opinion:
Gesture recognition technology such as Project Natal is not really new, or exclusive to Microsoft. It's actually similar to motion capture technology used by game/animation industries to produce "natural looking" 3-D animations since many years ago. AFAIK, EyeToy is probably the earliest attempt by game industries to utilize motion capture technology enable gamers to interact with games though body movement. Nevertheless, it's a "good news" that gesture recognition UI is finally will be available to PC inside our home in the near future... After all, who doesn't wanna pretend as Tom Cruise, moving & resizing pictures with the silly hand gestures??? lol

17. July 2009, 05:54:35

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sgunhouse

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Seen someone do it with the Wii hardware already ...

17. July 2009, 07:14:46

dude09

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Originally posted by sgunhouse:

Seen someone do it with the Wii hardware already ...


Wow, can you point me to the link please?

17. July 2009, 13:47:57

dude09

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Oh... I found this, it looks a lot like the PS3 motion controller & the project natal:
http://www.camspace.com/

More demos:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=camspace&search_type=&aq=f

I guess it's nothing really "new" about project natal & the PS3 motion controller...

20. July 2009, 17:34:47 (edited)

dude09

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Oh, it seems Project Natal is nothing more than yet another stolen idea "bought" by M$ from someone else...
Worst, it's not even an "original" or "new" technology as M$ claimed.

I found these on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gOVj_I5npA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYHr0I-iFHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9AViYmfWR4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZkFL7livcA

Apparently "project natal" WAS running in PS2, since 5 years ago...
Good job M$, you have fooled me once again.

11. September 2009, 18:02:12

dude09

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We will be able to use Face Gestures in PS3 after all, Opera need to get ready to support this technology soon...

Here is the news:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/10/video-sonys-vision-library-for-playstation-eye-recognizes-face/

12. January 2010, 11:08:47 (edited)

victorxstc2

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Originally posted by dude09:

I guess it's nothing really "new" about project natal


The algorithm itself is new (as far as I know it was patented by a company and Microsft bought the company). It uses 3d images to recognize the motions. The patent was for the mechanism of taking such 3d images.

ps. Microsoft insists that because their algorithm is different from Wii's, therefore this is something different from Wii's gesture recognition tool (I forgot the name) and something innovative. But critiques say regardless the used algorithm, the idea is totally similar to (and copied from) Wii and Microsoft again is going unfair.

12. January 2010, 11:45:11

dude09

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Originally posted by victorxstc2:

ps. Microsoft insists that because their algorithm is different from Wii's, therefore this is something different from Wii's gesture recognition tool (I forgot the name) and something innovative. But critiques say regardless the used algorithm, the idea is totally similar to (and copied from) Wii and Microsoft again is going unfair.


Please read the next post you quoted, the Project Natal was originally run in PS2.
M$ didn't snip the idea/concept/technology from Nintendo's Wiimote, but SONY's EyeToy.
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=3055399

13. January 2010, 14:06:20

victorxstc2

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Originally posted by dude09:

Please read the next post you quoted, the Project Natal was originally run in PS2.
M$ didn't snip the idea/concept/technology from Nintendo's Wiimote, but SONY's EyeToy.


Agreed smile I had read my sent post in a computer magazine so I can't give any references now (but I remember clearly that it said "the idea has been copied from Wii"), but all the point is its being again "copied" like approximately all other software and hardware products of Microsoft.

22. May 2010, 10:01:57

dude09

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Now we got a possibly the cheapest solution to imitate what Tom Cruise did in Minority Report!
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/21/mit-tech-makes-gesture-controls-cheaper-more-colorful/

9. July 2010, 20:48:42 (edited)

dude09

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Just imagine how cool it would be if you can play Star Wars with this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxMux4uEkLI
http://www.emotiv.com/

EDIT: Fixed.

It's about THE FORCE.

9. July 2010, 20:05:37

Frenzie

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The YouTube link seems to be broken.

I quite like sword slinging on the Wii, myself.
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30. October 2010, 07:44:58

dude09

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I found these today, they explain the differences & how each motion & gesture detection works:

PlayStation Move

Kinect


And here is a bonus for those who're interested in 3DS:
http://www.clanofthegraywolf.com/way-games-work/nintendo-3ds

30. October 2010, 09:15:49

Gorash

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I think that it's going to be much easier just using keyboards and mice than using gesture control. I mean can you imagine waving your hands and arms around in front of the screen for hours... There has got to be a better way to control the GUI than that.

31. October 2010, 16:48:53

dude09

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Evolution of Playstation Move

2000: Lightsaber vs Pole ball!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obx-oz-97LQ

2004: Wand with a Magic ball?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHJAyCICw4

2009: Dildo with glowing ping pong ball, and Buttons!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdX3JG7L_6U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVKNScX3dbY

Anyone want to take a wild guess why Sony ditched Lightsaber 10 years ago, & end up with a glowing dildo in 2009? lol

23. November 2010, 06:25:41

dude09

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Alright, finally we got something similar to the UI in minority report running in Win7!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLOfjVfVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HkKcFKzorQ

12. December 2010, 19:14:17 (edited)

dude09

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Posts: 5195

GREAT NEWS!

Finally, we can pretend as Tom Cruise interact with virtual images with our hands in Minority Report!!

Individual fingers detection have become possible!
With just bare hands!! WITHOUT THE SILLY GLOVES!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlLschoMhuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3G-DXqt6Y

Now, we just need 3D Monitor without those silly 3D glasses... rolleyes

5. July 2012, 19:31:49 (edited)

iWasHere

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Kinect sucks, period. What Microsofty have promised is YOUR BODY IS THE CONTROLLER, and it failed miserably.

And now let's take a look at Leap Motion
more demo: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Leap+Motion


Leap Motion just killed Kinect 2.0 & make everyone bought a Kinect BETA feel like a fool.
Who need 2 pieces of mounted motion tracking cameras on the wall, when you can have a portable one?

24. November 2012, 20:10:54

iWasHere

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Look, minority report UI is now a reality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGz_xxvyaA8

Face gestures can be also a reality soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AFFWPkcOmE

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