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I'm not sure that I understand, I assume that you are speaking of accessing an external proxy. If the message that you quoted is from the administrator of the proxy, there is probably nothing that you can do about it. The Opera user agent string carries an Opera tag regardless of which identity that you choose within Opera. Apparently this proxy is checking this tag. I have been looking for a way to change this, but inquiries of this sort have only received a response something to the effect that Opera can't change this due to some legal issues. I vaguely remember something, either at the Proxomitron forum or the help files, which I think address the issue of changing this outside of Opera, but I can't remember where to find this at the moment. Otherwise the only other solution there is. to change proxy services, there are thousands of them.
The proxomitron can indeed help. When you set opera to identify as IE, it still puts opera at the end of the indentification header, it looks like this:
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.02 [en]
Get proxomitron:
http://proxomitron.cjb.net
Proxomitron can be a little tricky to set up, if you have trouble, post a reply here or something. The thing you'll want to do that won't be listed in the setup is this:
Click the headers button. Down near the bottom of the list you'll see a bunch of user-agent filters. I'm not sure if comes with one to identify as IE or not... If it doesn't, you'll need to make one. Just edit on the user-agnet filters, and change the "Replacement Text" field to:
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Then change the "HTTP Header" field to:
User-Agent: MSIE 5.5 (out)
Press ok, and activate the checkbox next to your new filter in the "out" column.
If none of this makes any sense, either reply or email me, and I'll try to explain better.
- Skib (skiboo@operamail.com)
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.02 [en]
Get proxomitron:
http://proxomitron.cjb.net
Proxomitron can be a little tricky to set up, if you have trouble, post a reply here or something. The thing you'll want to do that won't be listed in the setup is this:
Click the headers button. Down near the bottom of the list you'll see a bunch of user-agent filters. I'm not sure if comes with one to identify as IE or not... If it doesn't, you'll need to make one. Just edit on the user-agnet filters, and change the "Replacement Text" field to:
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)
Then change the "HTTP Header" field to:
User-Agent: MSIE 5.5 (out)
Press ok, and activate the checkbox next to your new filter in the "out" column.
If none of this makes any sense, either reply or email me, and I'll try to explain better.
- Skib (skiboo@operamail.com)
No, it didn't work. I just edited the filter as you suggested, but when I check it out at Browser Spy, it still identifies the user agent with the Opera tag:
http://gemal.dk/browserspy/basic.html
http://gemal.dk/browserspy/basic.html
Did you set up proxomitron? The directions I gave were only a small part of it.
The most important thing is that you change your http proxy settings in opera to 127.0.0.1:8080
Open prox's log window, there should be a bunch of stuff happening in there while you browse web pages.
Note that in its default config, prox has all kinds of crazy filters and things enabled. These may prevent the use of cookies, etc.
The most important thing is that you change your http proxy settings in opera to 127.0.0.1:8080
Open prox's log window, there should be a bunch of stuff happening in there while you browse web pages.
Note that in its default config, prox has all kinds of crazy filters and things enabled. These may prevent the use of cookies, etc.
Ahh. I think I see the problem. That site doesn't read the http headers, it uses javascript to figure out the info it gives.
Disable javascript and you'll see what I mean. I doubt this guys proxy somehow uses javascript to check the browser type (since the script need to be in the actual web page, not the headers).
Disable javascript and you'll see what I mean. I doubt this guys proxy somehow uses javascript to check the browser type (since the script need to be in the actual web page, not the headers).
If you disable JS, he can't read anything at all. I don't know if that would improve compatability with services or not. I know that a lot of people run without JS, but I don't want the hassle. My interest in this is to make Opera more compatable with websites, but this procedure would have the opposite effect...I think.
Websites can certainly do the same thing, but proxies can't.
Well, I guess they could, but it would involve inserting javascript into every webpage that caused it to fail if something other than IE was used (this would be a lot of work). To do that, it would have to fecth the requested page anyhow, then change it, then send it to the browser... That'd be kinda insane.
I'd be willing to put a fair bit of money on this proxy server not using crazy scripts for browser detection.
Well, I guess they could, but it would involve inserting javascript into every webpage that caused it to fail if something other than IE was used (this would be a lot of work). To do that, it would have to fecth the requested page anyhow, then change it, then send it to the browser... That'd be kinda insane.
I'd be willing to put a fair bit of money on this proxy server not using crazy scripts for browser detection.
Check out this page:
http://www.delorie.com:81/some/url.html
It'll show you the headers your browser sent
http://www.delorie.com:81/some/url.html
It'll show you the headers your browser sent
29. May 2002, 00:56:24 (edited)
Originally posted by seeker
I wish there were a way to prevent JS from doing this and still remain enabled.
Behold the glory of the Proxomitron!
Note, this is just a quick hack, I might write a better version later.
Basically, create a new web page filter that goes like this:
Name = "JS Useragent as MSIE"
Byte Limit = 256
Match = navigator.userAgent
Replace = "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)"
And Check "Allow multiple matches"
Hit Ok, activate the filter, hit ok again.
Voila! Bathe in the glory that is proxomitron!
Update!
This hack, despite probably causing every other webpage in existance to stop working, actually stop that annoying "You must use IE to use hotmail" screen! It just logs you straight in
I now *must* write a proper version.
I still got the same results with Browser Spy, but I think that I did something wrong. To verify, I created the filter under Webpage, rather than header filters. I wasn't certain if I should, but I included the quotation marks on the name line and the replacement text. Am I doing something wrong?
Yes, I saw the change in the byte limit and retested it, but it still gets the same:
App name
Microsoft Internet Explorer
appCodeName
Mozilla
appVersion
4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
appMinorVersion
IE real version
5.0
UserAgent
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.03 [en]
Security Policy
Property not supported or blank!
Platform
Win32 - Windows 32-bit platform
CPU
Property not supported or blank!
Online
Property not supported or blank!
Connection Type
Property not supported or blank!
App name
Microsoft Internet Explorer
appCodeName
Mozilla
appVersion
4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98)
appMinorVersion
IE real version
5.0
UserAgent
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.03 [en]
Security Policy
Property not supported or blank!
Platform
Win32 - Windows 32-bit platform
CPU
Property not supported or blank!
Online
Property not supported or blank!
Connection Type
Property not supported or blank!
29. May 2002, 03:07:58 (edited)
Be warned, that filter is pretty kludgy. It really should only change stuff that is in script tags, which was the orginal point of the bounds... I'm not quite sure how to get it working properly at the moment, and I'm going to go to bed. Check it out in 12 hours time and I might have made a better one.
skiboo,
I been playing some with some different websites since I got this filter installed last night, and most of the browser checkpoints are identifyinng the browser as desired, but there is one that still sees it as Opera. It is one that is apparently using a con to make it appear that a browser is insecure by using iframes, but even with iframes, Java, and JScript turned off, it still identifies Opera. I remember that Gemal (who operates the checkpoint that we were using) saying that he uses JScript and VBScript to interrogate the browsers. Do you suppose that VBScript is how this last site is reading Opera as Opera:
http://www.angelfire.com/art/proxyblind/
Do you think that your filter could be adapted to modify this also?
I been playing some with some different websites since I got this filter installed last night, and most of the browser checkpoints are identifyinng the browser as desired, but there is one that still sees it as Opera. It is one that is apparently using a con to make it appear that a browser is insecure by using iframes, but even with iframes, Java, and JScript turned off, it still identifies Opera. I remember that Gemal (who operates the checkpoint that we were using) saying that he uses JScript and VBScript to interrogate the browsers. Do you suppose that VBScript is how this last site is reading Opera as Opera:
http://www.angelfire.com/art/proxyblind/
Do you think that your filter could be adapted to modify this also?
Hey, it turns out that prox has some similar filters, with a little modification, they can be just what you need. The filters in question are about 2/3 of the way down the list, and are:
Hide browser's version from JS
Hide browser's identity from JS
He's got the idendity replacement text set as 'shonenscape'... I like to keep mine as:
'Mozilla/4.41 (BEOS; U ;Nav)'
(That's the identity replacement field.. and it needs the quotes)
Or you can set it to the IE string that I was using before. You can pretty much delete the other one I made. Also, the browser version filter defaults to 2.2 or something, put it up to 4.41, and hotmail still works
Also, exactly which of the tests at that proxy blind site were you running?
Hide browser's version from JS
Hide browser's identity from JS
He's got the idendity replacement text set as 'shonenscape'... I like to keep mine as:
'Mozilla/4.41 (BEOS; U ;Nav)'
(That's the identity replacement field.. and it needs the quotes)
Or you can set it to the IE string that I was using before. You can pretty much delete the other one I made. Also, the browser version filter defaults to 2.2 or something, put it up to 4.41, and hotmail still works
Also, exactly which of the tests at that proxy blind site were you running?
I wasn't actually running a test, it just comes up automatically. Just click on either mirror and go to the fourth paragraph, or if you have Iframe enabled it will be a window instead. Just below this it gives your user string and IP.
I'll take a look at those two Proxo settings, but wouldn't the original string that you had last night be most likely to be univeraal?
I'll take a look at those two Proxo settings, but wouldn't the original string that you had last night be most likely to be univeraal?
Yep, what I just posted fixes it right up.
I agree that IE is probably more universal, but most sites either check for IE or Navigator, and do different scripts accordingly... opera is more likely to work with the Nav scripts. Still, it might be better to put a win32 Nav string in instead of the beos one... but I like the idea of BeOS comin up everywhere in the logs
Also, don't kbe concerned about that thing that lists your c:\ drive... the server can't really see it, its just a cheap trick. (and an old one at that)
I agree that IE is probably more universal, but most sites either check for IE or Navigator, and do different scripts accordingly... opera is more likely to work with the Nav scripts. Still, it might be better to put a win32 Nav string in instead of the beos one... but I like the idea of BeOS comin up everywhere in the logs
Also, don't kbe concerned about that thing that lists your c:\ drive... the server can't really see it, its just a cheap trick. (and an old one at that)
Dang, I doing something wrong, it work okay at Gemals site, but at delorie and the proxy site they both are listing Opera. The only change that I made on the browser version filter was to '4.41'. and on the browser identity filter I have:
Filter name: Hide Browser's Identity from JS
URL Match: blank
Multiple matches: enabled
Bounds match: blank
Byte limit: 25 I also tried 256 like before.
Matching Exp: navigator.(appName|userAgent)
Replacement text: "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)"
I may have got this mixed up combining the two filters, but if it works for you,it should work for me also.
Filter name: Hide Browser's Identity from JS
URL Match: blank
Multiple matches: enabled
Bounds match: blank
Byte limit: 25 I also tried 256 like before.
Matching Exp: navigator.(appName|userAgent)
Replacement text: "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98)"
I may have got this mixed up combining the two filters, but if it works for you,it should work for me also.
Skiboo,
Since you are so familiar with Proxo, I'll bet that you are a member of their forum at:
http://asp.flaaten.dk/pforum/default.asp
I am locked out of their forum because my password and email account got messed up on my profile. I can't find an email address for the forum itself on the portions that I can access. Would you consider seeing if you can get one for me?
Since you are so familiar with Proxo, I'll bet that you are a member of their forum at:
http://asp.flaaten.dk/pforum/default.asp
I am locked out of their forum because my password and email account got messed up on my profile. I can't find an email address for the forum itself on the portions that I can access. Would you consider seeing if you can get one for me?
Strange... I can't think what else it might be :/
If you want to try with my exact filters, find and open (in notepad or something) the default.cfg file that prox is using, and scroll down to the section where these filters are (its all plain text).
Here's what mine looks like:
Name = "Hide Browser's Version from JS"
Active = TRUE
Limit = 25
Match = "'4.41'"
Replace = "'4.41'"
Name = "Hide Browser's Identity from JS"
Active = TRUE
Limit = 25
Match = "navigator.(appName|userAgent)"
Replace = "'Mozilla/4.41 (BEOS; U ;Nav)'"
If you cut out the two filters there and paste mine in, then reload the .cfg file in prox, you should (in theory) have the exact same filters I'm using.
If you want to try with my exact filters, find and open (in notepad or something) the default.cfg file that prox is using, and scroll down to the section where these filters are (its all plain text).
Here's what mine looks like:
Name = "Hide Browser's Version from JS"
Active = TRUE
Limit = 25
Match = "'4.41'"
Replace = "'4.41'"
Name = "Hide Browser's Identity from JS"
Active = TRUE
Limit = 25
Match = "navigator.(appName|userAgent)"
Replace = "'Mozilla/4.41 (BEOS; U ;Nav)'"
If you cut out the two filters there and paste mine in, then reload the .cfg file in prox, you should (in theory) have the exact same filters I'm using.
I opened Proxo's log window and verified that it is still sending my browser identification as it originally was before we started. I went back over this thread to review it, and came back to the point where you said something about changing the http header in Opera to 127.0.0.1:8080, but that did not work, because Opera could not find Proxo and I set it back to localhost:8080. This is the only variation between us that I can see, so it must be the reason for the problem. I assumed that by http header, that you were referring to the proxy settings under Opera's network preferences, is this correct?
Skiboo,
I was finally able to get back into the Proxo Forum recently, to ask the guys over there about using Proxo to cloaks the user string. But unfortunately after going in circles for a while, it still doesn't work, except for hiding the identity from Javascript. When I tried to clarify my question and desire about modifying the string sent out in the header, I got mixed answers, that ranged from: of course, That's the way it work > You can do this, with this download file (which was the same as had been used before > This is foolish to do, but. At the moment, I am left with the impression that this is not possible.
http://asp.flaaten.dk/pforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=630
I was finally able to get back into the Proxo Forum recently, to ask the guys over there about using Proxo to cloaks the user string. But unfortunately after going in circles for a while, it still doesn't work, except for hiding the identity from Javascript. When I tried to clarify my question and desire about modifying the string sent out in the header, I got mixed answers, that ranged from: of course, That's the way it work > You can do this, with this download file (which was the same as had been used before > This is foolish to do, but. At the moment, I am left with the impression that this is not possible.
http://asp.flaaten.dk/pforum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=&TOPIC_ID=630