The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The Tea Party Movement is an American protest movement, styled after the Boston Tea Party, in protest of bigger Government intrusion into the lives of everyday day Americans via higher Federal taxation, uncontrolled Governmental spending -- lack of accountability related to this spending, & intrusion into the lives of every day Americans via laws that erode Liberty & Freedom.

The Movement stands for, among other related principals, a smaller Federal Government, as called for by the Founding Fathers, abolition of oppressive taxation, & the basic tenets of the Constitution – the right to Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Source: Declaration of Independence

The Movement is comprised of mostly citizens that would be considered as Right-of-Center…mostly Libertarian & Conservative, but surprisingly Citizens that describe themselves as outside this political spectrum have been drawn to The Movement in increasing numbers.

Some claim they overwhelmingly believe Patriotism should span the entire political spectrum, & therefore transcends politics in general, but some members also wish to focus their efforts into forming a 3rd. Political Party to contest the Republican & Democrat Parties.

A December 7, 2009 poll made by Rasmussen found, in a three-way generic ballot test featuring a hypothetical "Tea Party" candidate, Democrats attracted 36% of the vote, the Tea Party candidate picked up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%.
Among independent voters, the Tea Party bested both Democrat and Republican candidates, with 33% of all independent voters preferring the Tea Party candidate.
In a December 16, 2009 Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Tea Party movement fared better than both the Republican and Democratic parties, with 41% of respondents saying they had a "favorable" or "somewhat favorable" view of it.

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The members of The Movement seem quite split on the issue of becoming a political party because many prefer the mantra of ‘Movement’ as opposed to that of ‘Party’, while some say “why join up with the bastards were dead set against”. Many of the members think that in order to have a greater say in the outcome of events they require the cohesiveness & control of an organized political party. Regardless of this issue, The Movement will remain a powerful & growing force that will need to be addressed thoroughly if any political party purports to draw on their political support.


This video & song has been suggested as a battle cry for the Tea Party Movement, an anthem so to speak.


Too Late to Apologize: A Declaration

As I see this " Tea Party " movement , Its original intentions was a glimmer of light in what I see as a time of death throws of America . This movement has been hi-jacked by the Republican party as a platform for there own political needs , Yeah , Know I actually thought this Tea Party bunch was gonna bolster support for our constitution and demand the imperial forces that have run this country into the ground and make those who did this be accountable . I bow my head in shame for these people , They are quickly falling for the same old rhetoric we have heard from both " Parties " just new catch phrases ripped straight from the Tea Party crowds mouth . You will get no change from a Republican or a Democrat other than a new condom to screw us with . People how many times does it take before you realize that the rats will cling to anything when a ship starts sinking , As I have said before " You cant build a new home on a foundation infested with Termites ". Truth is unpopular in politics as shown by the way Dr. Ron Paul has been viewed by the mainstream media and wealthy society , Nobody wants to hear that the cost of mistakingly putting your fate in the hands of carpet baggers time and time again will eventually give way to the realization " Crap !! , We are gonna have to suffer greatly for our ignorance or force our children to suffer at the least . I fear our collective destiny has been written and one way or the other we will have to suffer from this mess , The bright side being that if we act now and rebuild from the ground up we get to at least see the ones who we trusted tried for treason .

@aziffle: Incoherency is not an admirable trait.
My grammar school was named for James Otis, so I've some familiarity with the original Tea Party, the Stamp Acts and the legal wrangling about them… (Not that I went to school when history was taught; but that I remembered where I was, and what had happened there — and, after "connecting the dots", ….) Hence, I have some sympathy with this so-called movement. But you strike me as someone who'd jump at any chance to don war-paint, and dump tea into the harbor. Not as someone who'd understand what –if anything– it was about.

Would you care to post anything that might change my estimation?

I think America needs more than the present two party stitch up they have at present. This may be why things like the Tea Party spring up. People are confused don't know where their country is going and see it on the edge of ruin. One thing is certain the present Democrat and Republican Parties have created the mess the nation is in.

Oakdale , I see that my incoherent post obviously fail on your deaf ears . Our forefathers started this country with simplistic goal in mind , Tyranny was something they all knew and they had a very good knowledge of how that system manipulated the people under its control . They did not sit back on there well educated rears and listen to the same old crap wrapped up in a new package handed to them by England . While your assertion of me may be valid it doesn't take a legal degree nor a gifted knowledge of political science to figure out that the Tea Party has been infiltrated by a bunch of paid for politicians with a agenda to lull the herd of disgruntled sheep back into line . Do I need to have a better understanding of the " Movement " ? No . Without the common man ( Uneducated idiot as you might imply ) , Jefferson , Franklin and our forefathers thought provoking words would have been nothing more than a remark in a history book . We the serfs are the backbone as was with the original revolution . As stated previously , I admired the " Movement " from the onset but have grown weary of the infiltration of the wolves in sheep clothes as should those who back the Tea party . Ahh ignorance is truly bliss ....... I'm just glad I have a independent mind ( However much disillusioned it might be ).

Originally posted by aziffle:

it doesn't take a legal degree nor a gifted knowledge of political science to figure out that the Tea Party has been infiltrated by a bunch of paid for politicians with a agenda to lull the herd of disgruntled sheep back into line .

Originally posted by aziffle:

Jefferson , Franklin and our forefathers thought provoking words would have been nothing more than a remark in a history book .

Don't forget John Quincy Adams. He always did what was in the county's best interest rather than his party's.

Originally posted by aziffle:

I admired the " Movement " from the onset but have grown weary of the infiltration of the wolves in sheep clothes as should those who back the Tea party .

I've disliked it from the beginning.

Originally posted by aziffle:

I'm just glad I have a independent mind

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think America needs more than the present two party stitch up they have at present

How true, First campaign finance reform... same amount of money for every candidate. No lobbyist. No special interests.
All debates, Speeches on C-SPAN 1 & 2

the tea party is being hijacked... It was Pissed off Dems, Reps and independent voters. (Americans)

Well said MAXXTHRUST.

Democracy is a limited thing really over there. At least here we have a broader representation in the Mother of Parliaments in majority rule situation. Some Americans think this means we are like Europe but coalitions are not really our history. I think that thinking Americans realise what the 2 party carve up with their big machines has done but they still haven't the confidence to break out of that yet. In a time of so much doubt and uncertainty and so much of the dream being shattered by recent events it needs a seismic move in US politics.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Democracy is a limited thing really over there. At least here we have a broader representation in the Mother of Parliaments in majority rule situation.

Oh RJ, if only you would go on Big Brother. I'd pay to watch it, really I would. No more Jade Goody, but what better replacement than Jock Goody?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I see the propaganda machine is still in full swing.
Carry on, SF!

Ditto Dawg,, You can't be getting too much sleep either---all that negativity---Beatin' that dead horse over & over won't make him run faster, but I give ya credit fer tryin'!

Keep on keepin' on DF! [/img]

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think America needs more than the present two party stitch up they have at present. This may be why things like the Tea Party spring up. People are confused don't know where their country is going and see it on the edge of ruin. One thing is certain the present Democrat and Republican Parties have created the mess the nation is in.

We aren't confused, we are a witness to the intentional Balkanization of the UNITED STATES by this administration and the Democratic party as well as the ineptness of the leadership of the Republican party. Rampant dishonesty and contempt for the people coupled with a disgraceful national media reduced to a mere state run outlet for democratic talking points. No sense of integrity or pride does any broadcast network show themselves let alone their product, thankfully the fruits of their transgressions have been starved of sustenance reducing the utter destruction they cause the masses with their disinformation.. When they shove healthcare down our throats unilaterally its a white glove to the face. When you ridicule the opposition like a 3rd rate second string candidate gifted with the skill and intelligence charisma and general appeal to the peoples fondness for our president found in far too few of our leaders in a time when the world is so interwoven seemingly strangling the ability to reason giving rise to pathetic displays of rogue nations hungering for am audiences that lurk even to the risk of desrtoying the world. Political correctness for any group not in the majority and a chorus of contempt for the members of the white conservative American's with disgraceful characterizations from the lands highest office referencing the act of draping ones testicles across the chin of a sexual partner to desctibe the tea party movement (tea baggers). So corrupt is the health care bill that no member voting on it has read the bill prior to passing it. The numbers are blatantly written in gimmicks and they had not one bipartisan vote.

Should this pathetic monster of a bill be implemented would in an instant create an appetite of unquenchable proportion that no generation will be free from the tyranny of the state to tax and adjust the various aspects that will bring the necessity to provoke a correction at whatever the cost to the Country. With his persecution of Navy Seals and CIA agents while guarantee the rights of terrorists not native to this land shows just how out of touch this guy is. Yet with surgical precision they will attempt to go further, By granting amnesty to the nearly 12-20 milliom illegal aliens with almost guarantee them the recurring loyalty of base voters in the populated cities to usher in the next 200 years of democratic party majorities in the Federal Government almost guaranteeing a Revolution. If that happens in the same manner they passed healthcare reform you watch.leaders that to see it squandered for the self centered short term power play is soul shatteringly sad.Marxist wants to create division and jealousy amongst the citizens so that the government can step in and have more control over the population. The government is now running the education system, the health care system, the welfare system, the environment and more. Don't think you are beyond there reach, remember the "global warming"

Choose many different "menu's" to consume your media and make those sources you trust. Don't reward another glance a source that trades in dishonestly or delivers without passion. Rather we should engage each one that disagree to find common areas to build across a level foundation and once that is built then calmly present our policy with an intelligent backing of provable unadulterated evidence vetted by a nonpartisan third party.

Always usimg gimmicks to solidify the nececsary numbers to please a certain voting block enslaves the parties to the whims of ever changing blocks of voters forming coalitions of desire. Why not make character count once again and ridicule as far as possible those defects in character that cause so mush greif.
By allowing the passage of this bill backed by lies only rewards more spoonfed procedural maneuvers to fundamentally change forever the young nation we call home

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Originally posted by godamajin:

We aren't confused, we are a witness to the intentional Balkanization of the UNITED STATES by this administration and the Democratic party as well as the ineptness of the leadership of the Republican party.

Well, it's good to see that at least one level-headed person has figured this out! Way to go!

Well well, looks as though you've got yourself a Tea Partier, SF!

Originally posted by godamajin:

Should this pathetic monster of a bill be implemented

The bill is now law.
Please do keep up with the news.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

The bill is now law.

Please do keep up with the news.

It's possible for a bill to be passed but not implemented. I doubt that this will be such a case.

me thinks they can dry up money, after next election of course.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Well well, looks as though you've got yourself a Tea Partier, SF!

Originally posted by godamajin:

Should this pathetic monster of a bill be implemented

The bill is now law.
Please do keep up with the news.

Honestly, Do you think its a good bill. Do you feel your elected officials had your health care interests(or any interests) in mind when they crafted this bill?

Here's how well they covered their own behinds, how did they cover yours?
How come Obama painted the Insuramce company as evil, shameless in their affairs, immoral and etc ad infinitum. Then the rookie amateur finds out his haste to get anything passed left a huge loophole in the way of coverage for children. Did you know that the bill forces Insurance company to cover children with pre-existing who normally wouldnt be included in their parents insurance coverage. Well they forgot to mention that it is the decision of the insurance carrier whether they indeed should continue to insurree parents given the burden of expensive coverage extending to pre-existing conditions. When this was brought to light the industry released a statement affirming they would cover family members in the spirit of the law. Obama quick to calm the public comes out and tells us to trust the word of insurance carriers that they will cover like they said/ lmao, this guy is something else. Which is it? are they evil liars or not?

You know what the frugal minded person will do? Since the insurance company is forced to contract with pre-existing conditions then why even buy insurance until you need it? I mean please tell me under what system would you find most people are going to spend 300 a month for something they can get when they need it? Just buy it the month the ulser starts causing too much pain, carry coverage until the symptoms are gone and drop that silly stuff?
Genius! how long can that last my friend? Are you starting to see the futility in defending this bill or would you please answer those concerns outlined above.

thank

shttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/13/us/politics/13health.html

Originally posted by godamajin:

Honestly, Do you think its a good bill.

It is a good law, but not an excellent law.
Had the President kept the public option in it, it would be a truly excellent law.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Do you feel your elected officials had your health care interests(or any interests) in mind when they crafted this bill?

Absolutely. I will remain covered for another 3 years because of this law.
I had been worrying about not having health insurance after my birthday later on this year. Now I don't have to worry about that anymore.
I can now focus on the last year of undergrad school and fully on grad school and not have to have worry about how I will come up with $700 a month for health insurance.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Did you know that the bill forces Insurance company to cover children with pre-existing who normally wouldnt be included in their parents insurance coverage.

*sarcasm* Yes, that's such a bloomin crime. They should be forced to die and not receive coverage.
*serious now*

Originally posted by godamajin:

Genius! how long can that last my friend?

The NHS in the UK has lasted over 60 years.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by godamajin:

Genius! how long can that last my friend?

The NHS in the UK has lasted over 60 years.

Not to mention the german one which is almost 130 years old.
To all the teabaggers - yes, it was enacted before Hitler was born.

Oh, btw.:

Originally posted by Wikipedia:

Despite attempts to contain costs, overall health care expenditures rose to 10.7% of GDP in 2005, comparable to other western European nations, but substantially less than that spent in the U.S. (nearly 16% of GDP).

Originally posted by Macallan:

Not to mention the german one which is almost 130 years old.

Yep, of course. Numerous examples abound.
All it takes is using one's Cerebrum.

If one chooses not to, well, I would say "Gib' auf, du hast keine Chance! Es ist einfacher für dich, viel einfacher. Du wirst sehen, es ist gleich vorbei.".

Originally posted by Macallan:

Not to mention the german one which is almost 130 years old.

<3 Bismarck.

After playing the Germany scenario in Railroad Tycoon 2 (or was that 3?) on hard I have a deep respect for his accomplishments.

No wait, my accomplishments that were allegedly similar. Never mind.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

After playing the Germany scenario in Railroad Tycoon 2 (or was that 3?) on hard I have a deep respect for his accomplishments.

IIRC the main difference is that 3 used 3D graphics and 2 uses software-rendered pseudo-3D, otherwise it's almost the same

I played and enjoyed them both, though I thought the 3D in 3 certainly made things more interesting. I just can't recall which of the games the scenario was from.

The music in 2 was better though. I remember I even used to throw the CD-ROM in my CD player sometimes just to play the soundtrack. I'd do that right now, except the game is at my parents' place somewhere.

Ah, back when I still bought & played PC games. With the virus-like DRM and lack of interesting games in general I now pretty much exclusively use the Wii. You need a PC for the good stuff like Railroad Tycoon though. It's a pity, all they seem to release is stuff that requires an i7 with a GeForce 999999999999999SDFDSGSDFDSXXXXX these days without any added substance.

Wait, how come I'm ranting about games. <_<

Also I'm not entirely fair: I did enjoy Empire: Total War, though the AI is still utterly incapable of properly performing or defending sieges. The global scope made it an interesting departure from the previous games though.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

I played and enjoyed them both, though I thought the 3D in 3 certainly made things more interesting. I just can't recall which of the games the scenario was from.

Both had more than one german scenario

Originally posted by Frenzie:

The music in 2 was better though. I remember I even used to throw the CD-ROM in my CD player sometimes just to play the soundtrack. I'd do that right now, except the game is at my parents' place somewhere.

Absolutely. Unfortunately, RT2 for Mac is OS9 only and Apple removed OS9 compatibility with OSX 10.5.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Ah, back when I still bought & played PC games. With the virus-like DRM and lack of interesting games in general I now pretty much exclusively use the Wii. You need a PC for the good stuff like Railroad Tycoon though. It's a pity, all they seem to release is stuff that requires an i7 with a GeForce 999999999999999SDFDSGSDFDSXXXXX these days without any added substance.

Same here, even though the DRM crap didn't really catch on so far on Mac OS. It probably will at some point but for reasons stated above I stopped caring.
Otherwise, remember that RT1 and Civilization ran Just Fine on a 7MHz Amiga with 1MB RAM?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by godamajin:

Honestly, Do you think its a good bill.

It is a good law, but not an excellent law.
Had the President kept the public option in it, it would be a truly excellent law.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Do you feel your elected officials had your health care interests(or any interests) in mind when they crafted this bill?

Absolutely. I will remain covered for another 3 years because of this law.
I had been worrying about not having health insurance after my birthday later on this year. Now I don't have to worry about that anymore.
I can now focus on the last year of undergrad school and fully on grad school and not have to have worry about how I will come up with $700 a month for health insurance.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Did you know that the bill forces Insurance company to cover children with pre-existing who normally wouldnt be included in their parents insurance coverage.

*sarcasm* Yes, that's such a bloomin crime. They should be forced to die and not receive coverage.
*serious now*

Originally posted by godamajin:

Genius! how long can that last my friend?

The NHS in the UK has lasted over 60 years.

I agree with the public option. Thats the only thing that makes sense to do. I dont see why people oppose it. It seems better than this. I pay $480 a month for 3 including dental. high deductible but it paid for my son had surgery on his wrist and shoulder. I payed almost 40% seems the savings came out of the in network provider agreements. Ill see how the costs are controlled in this bill but I have my doubts.

Originally posted by godamajin:

I agree with the public option. Thats the only thing that makes sense to do.

Do you really?
Gotta say, that a curve ball I didn't see coming.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Ill see how the costs are controlled in this bill but I have my doubts.

Well if it's fear of the unknown that makes you anxious, you need not fear this new law.
It's been tried and been true in other countries, so need to worry.
(And yes, they have just as corrupt politician as we do.)

Originally posted by godamajin:

Ill see how the costs are controlled in this bill but I have my doubts.

Well I suppose we could vote in Mr Romney. I understand Massachusetts has a budget deficit.

Originally posted by godamajin:

Which is it? are they evil liars or not?

Both. Why reduce something this complicated to your dislike for Obama? Did he write this bill?

The corrections to the bill run 153 pages, the bill itself 2,407! An amendment to the Bill ran 767 pages!

I wonder if anybody has read the entire bill.

http://www.wimp.com/budgetcuts/ here is how he will pay for it.

I did read most of old HR 3200 or what ever it was?Bunch of vague crap

Originally posted by Macallan:

Both had more than one german scenario

But there was only one Bismarck scenario... I think.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Same here, even though the DRM crap didn't really catch on so far on Mac OS. It probably will at some point but for reasons stated above I stopped caring.

Otherwise, remember that RT1 and Civilization ran Just Fine on a 7MHz Amiga with 1MB RAM?

Not exactly, though the 286 I do remember was probably fairly similar.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by godamajin:

Which is it? are they evil liars or not?

Both. Why reduce something this complicated to your dislike for Obama? Did he write this bill?

The corrections to the bill run 153 pages, the bill itself 2,407! An amendment to the Bill ran 767 pages!

I wonder if anybody has read the entire bill.

Why vote yes on it if you don't freakin' read it? Not just this bill, but any bill? The geniuses in Congress may even have voted themselves out of their own health care plans:

In a new report, the Congressional Research Service says the law may have significant unintended consequences for the “personal health insurance coverage” of senators, representatives and their staff members.

For example, it says, the law may “remove members of Congress and Congressional staff” from their current coverage, in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, before any alternatives are available.

The confusion raises the inevitable question: If they did not know exactly what they were doing to themselves, did lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill fully grasp the details of how it would influence the lives of other Americans?

No shit, Sherlock. And the NYT is maybe a little bit late on the story, don't you think? Source. Maybe we should've been talking about this sort of stuff over the past year rather than what political benefits there would be to Obama personally.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Well if it's fear of the unknown that makes you anxious, you need not fear this new law.
It's been tried and been true in other countries, so need to worry.

As it stands, it's not all that unknown:

Thousands of consumers are gaming Massachusetts’ 2006 health insurance law by buying insurance when they need to cover pricey medical care, such as fertility treatments and knee surgery, and then swiftly dropping coverage, a practice that insurance executives say is driving up costs for other people and small businesses.

Costs are going to skyrocket like you wouldn't believe.
Source.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Both had more than one german scenario

But there was only one Bismarck scenario... I think.

IIRC you could pick a character to play and which were available depended on the scenario.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Same here, even though the DRM crap didn't really catch on so far on Mac OS. It probably will at some point but for reasons stated above I stopped caring.

Otherwise, remember that RT1 and Civilization ran Just Fine on a 7MHz Amiga with 1MB RAM?

Not exactly, though the 286 I do remember was probably fairly similar.

Not exactly similar but contemporary at least. They usually ran at 16MHz or so but since they were 16 bit ( the 68000 used in the Amiga had 32bit registers ) they had to do some fairly funky hacks to address memory chunks bigger than 64kB ( had to use two registers, segment and offset, and the segment was not a pointer but an index in a descriptor table. Unless you're in 8086 emulation mode, then it's sort of a pointer, selecting a 64 byte chunk so you can still only address 1MB ), ISA VGAs could display more colours than a 1st generation Amiga but the latter had a blitter, sprites and better sound.
I once had a 286 and an Amiga play chess against each other ( using the same software of course ) - the Amiga won consistently, despite running at less than half the clock speed.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Both had more than one german scenario

But there was only one Bismarck scenario... I think.

who sunk your battleship

IIRC you could pick a character to play and which were available depended on the scenario.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Same here, even though the DRM crap didn't really catch on so far on Mac OS. It probably will at some point but for reasons stated above I stopped caring.

Otherwise, remember that RT1 and Civilization ran Just Fine on a 7MHz Amiga with 1MB RAM?

Not exactly, though the 286 I do remember was probably fairly similar.

Not exactly similar but contemporary at least. They usually ran at 16MHz or so but since they were 16 bit ( the 68000 used in the Amiga had 32bit registers ) they had to do some fairly funky hacks to address memory chunks bigger than 64kB ( had to use two registers, segment and offset, and the segment was not a pointer but an index in a descriptor table. Unless you're in 8086 emulation mode, then it's sort of a pointer, selecting a 64 byte chunk so you can still only address 1MB ), ISA VGAs could display more colours than a 1st generation Amiga but the latter had a blitter, sprites and better sound.
I once had a 286 and an Amiga play chess against each other ( using the same software of course ) - the Amiga won consistently, despite running at less than half the clock speed.

i got a Calico Vision, Comodore64 and an Apple 2e with energy basic that runs a $150(actual cost in 1980) lemonade stand game and blade runner and another one wth missles and helicopter but I forget the name. Been in storage since I moved out of parents house in 1989.

Originally posted by Macallan:

IIRC you could pick a character to play and which were available depended on the scenario.

It was a restricted scenario. You had to boot up the German economy essentially from scratch and with a murderous time limit, and I think you could only play as Bismarck? I'm also not sure if it was the type of scenario where you could do the regular speculation stuff... meh, it's been over 10 years since I played that, I don't remember.

Originally posted by Macallan:

ISA VGAs could display more colours than a 1st generation Amiga but the latter had a blitter, sprites and better sound.

Oh, the 286 I was thinking of could do none of that. OK, the PC speaker could probably do better stuff than any other PC speaker I ever heard (plus you could adjust the volume), but it had a B&W screen. Any other computer I ever used had a Soundblaster or compatible. I suppose it's possible it had a VGA card though, no clue really. It was some kind of IBM PS/2. I still have its keyboard somewhere; it's an actual Dutch keyboard, as opposed to the US International keyboards that came in fashion later.

Originally posted by Macallan:

I once had a 286 and an Amiga play chess against each other ( using the same software of course ) - the Amiga won consistently, despite running at less than half the clock speed.

LoL

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by godamajin:

Which is it? are they evil liars or not?

Both. Why reduce something this complicated to your dislike for Obama? Did he write this bill?

The corrections to the bill run 153 pages, the bill itself 2,407! An amendment to the Bill ran 767 pages!

I wonder if anybody has read the entire bill.

Screw that bill. All it does is reinforce the notion that if you don't directly purchase something then it was free. Like saying with all the coming hidden taxes wrapped into this bill coupled with the cost of administration is almost too funny. I feel the public option would be way better and even if it was replacing private insurance I wouldnt mind.

Here is my suggestion. Year to year health care "access" would begin April 15 to April 14 the following year. You want Heath coverage for routine procedures and prescription drug subsidies you have to buy in annually 2500 per individual and 3500 for couple and 4000 family. Incentives to carry access continuously would be no termination fee's/re-enroll fee's and associated paperwork. Just like letting your registration for auto lapse.

If your young don't worry about buying access. Just sign the waiver with your tax return stating you refuse, but if your injured during the year you have to pay for access same price for the remainder of the year. You can ask for extenstions for payment to be taken out of your returns for up to three years. Care would be distributed by county or region with coverage good across any border.

If you have a cold without access you can contract directly with the physician rather than the public health administration. No need for 2000 pages of bullshit. Rather have the consumer of the product pay for the product than have government pull money from me pool it with yours to subsidize the unwilling,unfortunate or irresponsible patient.

The American Tea Party Movement - What it is.



Simply, what doesn't the Left want you to know or hear?? - THE TRUTH



This is how MSNBC 'tried' to demonize & mischaracterize the American Tea Party Movement......They failed....He got fired.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

IIRC you could pick a character to play and which were available depended on the scenario.

It was a restricted scenario. You had to boot up the German economy essentially from scratch and with a murderous time limit, and I think you could only play as Bismarck? I'm also not sure if it was the type of scenario where you could do the regular speculation stuff... meh, it's been over 10 years since I played that, I don't remember.

Sounds kind of familiar though

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

ISA VGAs could display more colours than a 1st generation Amiga but the latter had a blitter, sprites and better sound.

Oh, the 286 I was thinking of could do none of that. OK, the PC speaker could probably do better stuff than any other PC speaker I ever heard (plus you could adjust the volume), but it had a B&W screen.

Probably had an adlib card or something similar

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Any other computer I ever used had a Soundblaster or compatible. I suppose it's possible it had a VGA card though, no clue really. It was some kind of IBM PS/2. I still have its keyboard somewhere; it's an actual Dutch keyboard, as opposed to the US International keyboards that came in fashion later.

IIRC all PS/2 shipped with either VGA or MCGA graphics, the latter is more or less a VGA with only 64kB RAM ( as opposed to 256kB or more ) - it could still do 320x200 in 256 colours but at 640x480 it was limited to 4 colours where the VGAs could do 16 or more.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

I once had a 286 and an Amiga play chess against each other ( using the same software of course ) - the Amiga won consistently, despite running at less than half the clock speed.

LoL

Oh, and the 286 had a harddisk while the Amiga had to load everything from floppy
Well, I guess on the 286 the chess engine was severely crippled by that stupid 64kB segmented memory model, they either had to waste time reshuffling their segment pointers or use only one or two 64kB blocks while the Amiga had no such problem.

He fella, why don't you please take your 'off-topic' 'private' conversation elsewhere.

If you can't create a new thread pertaining to your topic, then I'll be glad to do it for you.

This thread's topic is The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?. Your discussion with Frenzie has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Thank you.

Oh deary me, that teabagger is infringing on my 1st amendment rights! Help! I'm being repressed!

Don't be silly, I respectfully requested that you take your 'off-topic' conversation elsewhere. I know you know that is the right thing to do, so please respect those that appreciate this thread, & honor my simple request. Thank you

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

This thread's topic is The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?. Your discussion with Frenzie has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Come now SF, you've been around long enough to know that D&D threads always evolve into a sub-discussion and then revert back to the original topic?
It helps ensure longevity of the thread.
Both you and I (the two sides) have throughly debated our points, given our respective criticisms, etc.

Getting back on topic though, I was amused to read that one of the citizens of my state decided to form a branch of the Teabagging Party. They plan to have a march on campus to protest the reform. I'm quite glad to hear it; I'll have plenty of time to make signs to try to get that misled lot back on the right mindset.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

.....They plan to have a march on campus to protest the reform. I'm quite glad to hear it; I'll have plenty of time to make signs to try to get that misled lot back on the right mindset.

Just be careful dawg,,,,there will be an emotionally charged atmosphere out there tomorrow/today,,,,don't get caught up into something that can get easily out of hand because it's the April 15th.--TAX DAY. Tempers can easily get out of control, & I wouldn't want you to get hurt just trying to over emphasize a point. I respect your point of view, & your right to express it, but it could get a little messy.

Then again, most likely nothing will happen--you'll all prolly end up in some bar, hoisting a beer or twelve, but to be on the safe side, just a word to the wise---pack yer pea-shooter!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Just be careful dawg,,,,there will be an emotionally charged atmosphere out there tomorrow/today,,,,don't get caught up into something that can get easily out of hand because it's the April 15th.--TAX DAY. Tempers can easily get out of control, & I wouldn't want you to get hurt just trying to over emphasize a point. I respect your point of view, & your right to express it, but it could get a little messy.

Wait, are you saying that the Tea Party is going to be threatening physical violence on those that disagree with them? Or is that just you?

Nice day - shame if something were to happen to it....

Originally posted by Macallan:

Probably had an adlib card or something similar

I don't know about that - it was an office computer. But all of my later computers have had some dying duck as a PC speaker and that one had a something that made sounds that didn't sound like the, um, "röcheln" (what's that in English) of a dying duck. I'm not referring to anything the later computer didn't do, it's just the difference between my el cheapo tiny Creative speakers I got for free with a P3 1Ghz in the past and my current $400 sound system. OK, not quite that, but I hope that illustrates what I mean. You actually get a similar difference if you emulate the PC speaker in DOSBox to pass through your proper soundcard. I.e. the difference was entirely with what output the audio as far as I could tell.

Originally posted by Macallan:

IIRC all PS/2 shipped with either VGA or MCGA graphics, the latter is more or less a VGA with only 64kB RAM ( as opposed to 256kB or more ) - it could still do 320x200 in 256 colours but at 640x480 it was limited to 4 colours where the VGAs could do 16 or more.

Considering the... 12 inch? 10 inch? Tiny screen was limited to shades of gray that certainly wouldn't have made a difference, so I'm guessing that MCGA thing.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

He fella, why don't you please take your 'off-topic' 'private' conversation elsewhere.



If you can't create a new thread pertaining to your topic, then I'll be glad to do it for you.



This thread's topic is The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?. Your discussion with Frenzie has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

We got there from Tea Party, I bet we'll get back to Tea Party once we arrive at ISDN and net neutrality or some such.

Besides, shouldn't the Tea Party also be against ridiculous first amendment-infringing DRM?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You actually get a similar difference if you emulate the PC speaker in DOSBox to pass through your proper soundcard. I.e. the difference was entirely with what output the audio as far as I could tell.

Ah, the good old days!

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

Wait, are you saying that the Tea Party is going to be threatening physical violence on those that disagree with them? Or is that just you?

I think it's just him. Middle class Americans are usually pretty well domesticated. Almost comatose. And please understand that these are middle class folks with too much time on their hands.

But Oh, so clever!

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Besides, shouldn't the Tea Party also be against ridiculous first amendment-infringing DRM?

Nah, that would be against their corporate sugardaddys.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You actually get a similar difference if you emulate the PC speaker in DOSBox to pass through your proper soundcard. I.e. the difference was entirely with what output the audio as far as I could tell.

Ah, the good old days!

RAM expansion?! 1KB ought to be enough for everyone!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Just be careful dawg,,,,there will be an emotionally charged atmosphere out there tomorrow/today,,,,don't get caught up into something that can get easily out of hand because it's the April 15th.--TAX DAY. Tempers can easily get out of control, & I wouldn't want you to get hurt just trying to over emphasize a point.

Of course I will.
I did forget to mention that it is planned on April 29, not today. (Hence my saying that I have time to prepare.)

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Then again, most likely nothing will happen--you'll all prolly end up in some bar, hoisting a beer or twelve, but to be on the safe side, just a word to the wise---pack yer pea-shooter!

Well, that is how things are accomplished usually in Oxford.
Generally a Corona or Samuel Adams helps to calm people down.
I do very much regret that our Governor, Haley Barbour has made it a point not to come to the square anymore. I would love to lodge several complaints his way.

Originally posted by Macallan:

RAM expansion?! 1KB ought to be enough for everyone!

A friend bought one. He didn't bother with a monitor. He'd type something in and imagine the result. Good old George!

If old George isn't a member of the Tea Party, I'm a bagpipe.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by Macallan:

RAM expansion?! 1KB ought to be enough for everyone!

A friend bought one. He didn't bother with a monitor.

Newfangled rubbish. That thing connects to a TV.