The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The Tea Party Movement is an American protest movement, styled after the Boston Tea Party, in protest of bigger Government intrusion into the lives of everyday day Americans via higher Federal taxation, uncontrolled Governmental spending -- lack of accountability related to this spending, & intrusion into the lives of every day Americans via laws that erode Liberty & Freedom.

The Movement stands for, among other related principals, a smaller Federal Government, as called for by the Founding Fathers, abolition of oppressive taxation, & the basic tenets of the Constitution – the right to Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Source: Declaration of Independence

The Movement is comprised of mostly citizens that would be considered as Right-of-Center…mostly Libertarian & Conservative, but surprisingly Citizens that describe themselves as outside this political spectrum have been drawn to The Movement in increasing numbers.

Some claim they overwhelmingly believe Patriotism should span the entire political spectrum, & therefore transcends politics in general, but some members also wish to focus their efforts into forming a 3rd. Political Party to contest the Republican & Democrat Parties.

A December 7, 2009 poll made by Rasmussen found, in a three-way generic ballot test featuring a hypothetical "Tea Party" candidate, Democrats attracted 36% of the vote, the Tea Party candidate picked up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%.
Among independent voters, the Tea Party bested both Democrat and Republican candidates, with 33% of all independent voters preferring the Tea Party candidate.
In a December 16, 2009 Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Tea Party movement fared better than both the Republican and Democratic parties, with 41% of respondents saying they had a "favorable" or "somewhat favorable" view of it.

SOURCE

The members of The Movement seem quite split on the issue of becoming a political party because many prefer the mantra of ‘Movement’ as opposed to that of ‘Party’, while some say “why join up with the bastards were dead set against”. Many of the members think that in order to have a greater say in the outcome of events they require the cohesiveness & control of an organized political party. Regardless of this issue, The Movement will remain a powerful & growing force that will need to be addressed thoroughly if any political party purports to draw on their political support.


This video & song has been suggested as a battle cry for the Tea Party Movement, an anthem so to speak.


Too Late to Apologize: A Declaration

Heck of a way to argue for a political position, Jaybro. But you've always been — well, what exactly it it? What approximately is it? What, in the wildest extreme, is it?
We (you and I) know: God doesn't like you.

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

We (you and I) know: God doesn't like you.

That's akin to saying that the Sacred Gerbil doesn't like me.

There is no sacred gerbil but Sacred Gerbil, and tt92 is his prophet.
Sacred Gerbil likes Jaybro.

Poor choice of prophets, Sacred Gerbil. Do you possess Sacred Lightening?

Originally posted by OakdaleFTL:

God doesn't like you.

Of course HE does - That's HIS job.

You know the situation is really sad when this thread derail makes more sense than the thread it is derailing. For that matter, the threads about ignoring threads make more sense than this thread.

Sorry, but I can't see that we gain much by replacing the current occupant of the Oval Office with any of the folk likely to win the Republican nomination. Of the lot, only Ron Paul is worth a hoot, and he's so far back that right now it would take a divine act to get him the nomination.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Sorry, but I can't see that we gain much by replacing the current occupant of the Oval Office

It's called apathy.....so stay home...don't vote at all.....I have a replacement for you that will vote on your behalf (he's been dead for 12 years, & he voted for Obama the last time, but he's ready to jump ship this time).

I see this thread has been revived from whatever was bugging it. Shall we close this one down and link to the usurper or shall we knock that one out to continue here?

Originally posted by jax:

I see this thread has been revived from whatever was bugging it. Shall we close this one down and link to the usurper or shall we knock that one out to continue here?

I would prefer this one be left open to continue here, being it was/is/will always be the original.

The other one should be closed/locked with a blurb noting the decision, directing back to here via a link-back.

Actually, if the posts there could be brought to & merged to the end of this one, that would be the ultimate scenario.

It would be very nice if the Mad Hatter;'s Tea Party could be closed as well.

Any ideas?

Be Ever Vigilant......Freedom Doesn't Come Free!



It's time to make amends for America's ERROR.

None of the poll options answers the poll question except the first one.

I think Tea Party represents a small and loud minority.

Originally posted by beiren:

I think Tea Party represents a small and loud minority.

Based on what personal experience specifically related to the American Tea Party Movement?

Why? Because I'm curious.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

I think Tea Party represents a small and loud minority.

Based on what personal experience specifically related to the American Tea Party Movement?

Why? Because I'm curious.

Ron Paul support in GOP elections.

Originally posted by beiren:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

I think Tea Party represents a small and loud minority.

Based on what personal experience specifically related to the American Tea Party Movement?

Why? Because I'm curious.

Ron Paul support in GOP elections.

So, you seem to think that the ATPM is a sort of monolithic group of Dr. Paul supporters, & it's numbers are somehow based on his numbers in the Republican Primaries to date as if they all support Dr. Paul? (Which many wish were true)

Do you know how much support the ATPM supporters gives to Santorum, or Gingrich, or Romney, or anyone else?

If you research in depth, I suggest you may be surprised how diverse the ATPM actually is.

Over the past 5 years the conservative figure is that over 15% of all registered to vote Americans consider themselves as part of the American Tea Party Movement in some way.

Being there is actually no real central organized Movement registry, these numbers are simply a combined guesstimate being discussed by the various representatives of the different groups associating themselves with the Tea Party Movements.

Therefore, conservatively, probably somewhere around 31.5 million registered voters belong to the ATPM, which represents 15%. (estimated there are 210,000,000 +/- registered voters in the USA at present-------208,000,000 in 2008)

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

I think Tea Party represents a small and loud minority.

Based on what personal experience specifically related to the American Tea Party Movement?

Why? Because I'm curious.

Ron Paul support in GOP elections.

So, you seem to think that the ATPM is a sort of monolithic group of Dr. Paul supporters, & it's numbers are somehow based on his numbers in the Republican Primaries to date as if they all support Dr. Paul? (Which many wish were true)

Do you know how much support the ATPM supporters gives to Santorum, or Gingrich, or Romney, or anyone else?

If you research in depth, I suggest you may be surprised how diverse the ATPM actually is.

No I don't. Do you? Please elaborate.

Originally posted by beiren:

No I don't. Do you? Please elaborate.

Nether do I, nor does the ATPM.

While there is no one spokesperson for the ATPM, most all are united by core beliefs & values.

They may vary from Local Organization to Organization, but they a quite similar:

• Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States

• Eliminate Excessive Taxation

• Rely on a Free Markets System

• Promote a Limited Government

• Instill Fiscal Responsibility

Members of individual, local Tea Party Movement Chapters/Organizations are always free to make political choices based on their individual wants & needs, & most do based on the above.

Therefore, at this present stage of the election, ATPM support flows fluidly across to all candidates, but in the run up to the General Elections in November of 2012, all ATPM Supports will gravitate to one main objective----to remove Barack Obama from the White House by the most effective means possible, & disassemble the Big Government Progressive Lefts Congressional support structures by hiring new Representatives (both House & Senate) that are pledged to the above core Beliefs & Ideals on all levels of Government from Local to National.

Right now this can only be facilitated by backing Republican candidates on the National level, but the more local the government gets, the more diverse the support can be----based primarily upon objectives & ideology of the above, rather than on any National Political Party.

One way to accomplish our objectives would be to have all voters change their registrations away from a National Political Party to being registered as an Independent, which effectively removes the National Party from taking any voter support for granted.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States Eliminate Excessive Taxation Rely on a Free Markets System
Promote a Limited Government
Instill Fiscal Responsibility

And they have the cheek to call others Anti-American.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States Eliminate Excessive Taxation Rely on a Free Markets System
Promote a Limited Government
Instill Fiscal Responsibility

And they have the cheek to call others Anti-American.

I have rarely seen such a wishy-washy, vague, unaware-of-the-basics-of-society manifesto as that one.

Originally posted by johnnysaucepn:

I have rarely seen such a wishy-washy, vague, unaware-of-the-basics-of-society manifesto as that one.

Suck it up Princess, get used to it....America is for Americans....Your views as a foreigner, though your own & you're entitled to them, is respected but don't much matter, for when it comes to domestic American policy it has no power to change one damn thing, or the way we choose to live.

• Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States

The US Constitution is the Law of the Land.

• Eliminate Excessive Taxation

Anything over & above what is Constitutionally necessary for the Federal Government to run as prescribed, & outlined in the Constitution, is unnecessary, & should be returned to the people. Local Governments, directly responsible to the people they serve, should be the only ones to raise & lower taxes...period.

• Rely on a Free Markets System

This speaks for itself. Government should stay confined within the restraints of the US Constitution, & let the markets determine the dealings of business.

• Promote a Limited Government

Limited as defined in the US Constitution, as was the desire of the Founding Fathers who saw that absolute Federal Power would, as in Monarchical England, corrupt absolutely.

• Instill Fiscal Responsibility

Each man & woman is individually responsible for their own economic prosperity & growth, & that of their children. If they should fall to hard times only private charities, & local community resources should be available to help them out temporarily until they get back on their feet (as determined by their direct local neighbors & community, as opposed to a central federal government).

JS, never try to reason with anyone who capitalises the "Founding Fathers".

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

JS, never try to reason with anyone who capitalises the "Founding Fathers".

Capitalizing here is a sign of respect---you may not respect them, but I ---- along with most Americans ---- certainly do.

That little list of motherhood statements are hardly unique to any particular political persuasion or, come to that, unique to America. Anyone could agree to such ideas with the freedom interpretation allowed the Tea Bags; for example;

• Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States

.. as amended by generations of tinkering

• Eliminate Excessive Taxation

... especially for me

• Rely on a Free Markets System

.... ah the dream of any true socialist, or Mafia alike, a free market

• Promote a Limited Government

... let's limit it to Republicans

• Instil Fiscal Responsibility

... let's just spend things on the military, poor people (loosers) don't matter

In other words, those statements are adaptable to all sorts of views, as SF points out, the policy of the Tea Bags being somewhat wishy-washy. Fortunately for America, and the rest of us, the Tea Bags seem to be in a minority.

It's nice to have things explained though.

@ String

Thank you, your delightfully intelligent & warm remarks are deeply appreciated.....

Some day when your country means something important again, if ever, I'll warmly remember your brilliant perceptions,
& revel it's return from 3^rd. World status.

Good show old sport, jolly good show---Hip, Hip, slip, pip, pip, & all that rot matey. Cheers!!!

pip pip!



Rest assured, SF, that I still think highly of Americans and America, in spite of Tea Bag tomfoolery.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

JS, never try to reason with anyone who capitalises the "Founding Fathers".

Oh, it don't stop there...

Limited as defined in the US Constitution, as was the desire of the Founding Fathers who saw that absolute Federal Power would, as in Monarchical England, corrupt absolutely.

We CAPS!

Will somebody please explain what ABSOLUTE FEDERAL POWER is? Can I go potty without asking permission?

BTW, I really like the Monarchial England portion. Put that one in your Monarchical Pipe*, England!

* That's a trope...I didn't mean that England actually has a pipe, Monarchical or otherwise.

Rest assured, String, that jbrothernew37 still thinks highly of Americans and America,
in spite of England taking buggery to a terrestrial art form.

I me!

You'd know more about buggery than anyone else here.

Originally posted by jbrothernew37:

I me!

You'd know more about buggery than anyone else here.

Aww, yer just jealous!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Suck it up Princess, get used to it....America is for Americans....Your views as a foreigner, though your own & you're entitled to them, is respected but don't much matter, for when it comes to domestic American policy it has no power to change one damn thing, or the way we choose to live.

Oh, I have no illusion about that. But that doesn't matter. As long as I, and most of your countrymen, are able to point and laugh.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Nether do I, nor does the ATPM.

While there is no one spokesperson for the ATPM, most all are united by core beliefs & values.

They may vary from Local Organization to Organization, but they a quite similar:

• Strictly Abide by the Constitution of the United States

• Eliminate Excessive Taxation

• Rely on a Free Markets System

• Promote a Limited Government

• Instill Fiscal Responsibility

Members of individual, local Tea Party Movement Chapters/Organizations are always free to make political choices based on their individual wants & needs, & most do based on the above.

How come you claim teapartiers also vote for other candidates than Ron Paul? Makes no sense. None of the other candidates apply to criteria.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Therefore, at this present stage of the election, ATPM support flows fluidly across to all candidates, but in the run up to the General Elections in November of 2012, all ATPM Supports will gravitate to one main objective----to remove Barack Obama from the White House by the most effective means possible, & disassemble the Big Government Progressive Lefts Congressional support structures by hiring new Representatives (both House & Senate) that are pledged to the above core Beliefs & Ideals on all levels of Government from Local to National.

Right now this can only be facilitated by backing Republican candidates on the National level, but the more local the government gets, the more diverse the support can be----based primarily upon objectives & ideology of the above, rather than on any National Political Party.

One way to accomplish our objectives would be to have all voters change their registrations away from a National Political Party to being registered as an Independent, which effectively removes the National Party from taking any voter support for granted.

Now that's a cool hivemind theory alright.

Originally posted by beiren:

How come you claim teapartiers also vote for other candidates than Ron Paul? Makes no sense. None of the other candidates apply to criteria.

Because the Movement, in my opinion---which is born out by facts & activities that I am directly involved in, is more involved & focused on supporting candidates for the Senate that espouse ATPM principals, & also maintaining & bolstering new & older ATPM friendly candidates in the House of Representatives, than electing a President (at this moment that is). This means that as always the ATPM supporters will support candidates they feel in their individual estimations will be most likely to address those pivotal issues they favor, & therefore besides Dr. Paul, they will freely support the others by varying degrees for reasons held unto themselves.

Now, when the Republican Candidate for President is eventually chosen, I believe they will virtually all align themselves behind the candidate left standing to defeat Barack Obama. How forcefully they do will be the key issue, for many are firmly convinced that if they can build on the ATPM friendly House majority they already have, & at the same time elect an ATPM friendly Senate Majority, who wins the Presidential race is less important.

Controlling both Houses of Congress effectively neutralizes Obama's ability to enact any of his Big Government/Socialist agendas, while at the same time, depending on the size of the majorities, Congress can actually legislate in and of itself. If they pass legislation, & Obama vetoes such legislation, they can (again depending on the strength of their majority) override Obama's veto, & the legislation would then become law in spite of Obama's objection(s).

That would be sweet as!

Polled individually though, in my honest opinion, among all ATPM supporters, over 99% of the supporters would love to kick Obama/dEMOCRAT ass!

Hey Smileyfaze, try to answer a simple question instead of writing a tl;dr novels

Originally posted by beiren:

Hey Smileyfaze, try to answer a simple question instead of writing a tl;dr novels

Hey beiren, if you don't like answers, stop asking questions. 10 words

Is reading less than 300 words difficult for you, or is it a translation problem? 15 words

BTW, WTF is a

Originally posted by beiren:

tl;dr

Does an ACRONYM count as one word, or a word for each letter representation contained within the ACRONYM???

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

Hey Smileyfaze, try to answer a simple question instead of writing a tl;dr novels

Hey beiren, if you don't like answers, stop asking questions. 10 words

Is reading less than 300 words difficult for you, or is it a translation problem? 15 words

BTW, WTF is a

Originally posted by beiren:

tl;dr

Does an ACRONYM count as one word, or a word for each letter representation contained within the ACRONYM???

Where was that finger before you tasted it? Smells like sh*t when you flap your mouth.

I'm asking questions because I want answers from a guy who claims to know ins and outs of teapartiers. What about answering instead of writing fantasy novels? You used the magic words "in my opinion" and then wrote just a load of junk.

Originally posted by beiren:

Where was that finger before you tasted it? Smells like sh*t when you flap your mouth.

You've crossed the line....you're on ignore/blocked, & don't bother emailing me either.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

Where was that finger before you tasted it? Smells like sh*t when you flap your mouth.

You've crossed the line....you're on ignore/blocked, & don't bother emailing me either.

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Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Where was that finger before you stuck it into your mouth?

http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=11797272
This is the definition of a bigot, SF. You qualify. And this is far from the first time. Not the last either, everybody knows.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Originally posted by beiren:

Where was that finger before you tasted it? Smells like sh*t when you flap your mouth.

You've crossed the line....you're on ignore/blocked, & don't bother emailing me either.

Haha, what a loser! Can't handle your own poison? Then stop using it!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Where was that finger before you stuck it into your mouth?

PS: I copied that phrase from him.

EDIT: Exact same thing happened with mjmsprt40. He too did nothing else but insult & dismiss, and then when I slashed back at him once on personal level, he decides to block me. All hyper-republicans apparently are also hyper-sensitive. Not surprising, really, as it sadly is how insecure indoctrinated people are. Such a bunch of soft-skinned weegirls should just shut their Internet and get back to farming turnipses with a shotgun.

Originally posted by beiren:

EDIT: Exact same thing happened with mjmsprt40. He too did nothing else but insult & dismiss, and then when I slashed back at him once on personal level, he decides to block me. All hyper-republicans apparently are also hyper-sensitive.

Hyper anything tends to be insensitive but I suggest you don't put mjmsprt40 into that bracket; I think he has a great deal of common sense on his side, disagree as I may from him on one or two issues.

The trouble is that this sort of a discussion, where emotions run high, is that critique of the idea can easily get confused with critique of the individual and few, if any, of us are immune to that process.

Originally posted by beiren:

EDIT: Exact same thing happened with mjmsprt40. He too did nothing else but insult & dismiss, and then when I slashed back at him once on personal level, he decides to block me. All hyper-republicans apparently are also hyper-sensitive. Not surprising, really, as it sadly is how insecure indoctrinated people are. Such a bunch of soft-skinned weegirls should just shut their Internet and get back to farming turnipses with a shotgun.

That might be misunderstanding on one or both sides - mjmsprt40 tends to be one of the more reasonable people here ( that doesn't mean I agree with him on anything though ), he certainly isn't hyper-republican ( or hyper-anything, really ). I'd agree with you about smiley but in this case you better cool down and have another look. Him spewing insults would be extremely out of character and sounds more like someone else's hyper-sensitivity

Mister40 is a reasonable person who gives Christians a good name.
I can disagree with him without thinking less of him and he can disagree with me without getting abusive or spiteful.
He is the kind of person that D&D needs.

Originally posted by tt92:

Mister40 is a reasonable person who gives Christians a good name.
I can disagree with him without thinking less of him and he can disagree with me without getting abusive or spiteful.
He is the kind of person that D&D needs.

+1 to this. No way does he deserve to be put in the same bracket as Smiley. mjmsprt40 and I may disagree on many things, but he's a solid and reasonable debater - and as good a man as I can tell on a discussion forum!

The tea party movement is just a fad to get attention by the Republican party.

I blocked Beiren because he went off the rails, and further discussion would only result in raised blood-pressure. There is no purpose served by that. As a general rule, I keep my "blocked" list really short. There's only a couple of people I've got on block right now, and I like to keep it that way.

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

I blocked Beiren

Someone that, at an open forum, blocks anyone is an idiot.
I never blocked anyone, and if want to do it instead of blocking them, I'll go away.

Blockers are sissies and nothing but sissies.
So, if you did it, undo it.

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

I blocked Beiren

Someone that, at an open forum, blocks anyone is an idiot.
I never blocked anyone, and if wanted to do it instead of blocking them, I'll go away.

Blockers are sissies and nothing but sissies.

I take it you were trying to see if you could make me block you. Not worth the bother.

Block yourself, it's the best thing you have to do.
No courage for that?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

I blocked Beiren

Someone that, at an open forum, blocks anyone is an idiot.
I never blocked anyone, and if want to do it instead of blocking them, I'll go away.

Blockers are sissies and nothing but sissies.
So, if you did it, undo it.

I only block somebody if they are spamming like fake shopping cart sites (I report them first though, and the system auto blocks).

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Block yourself, it's the best thing you have to do.
No courage for that?

I really really doubt you can block yourself

Originally posted by wikipedian:

I only block somebody if they are spamming like fake shopping cart sites

You are right, I don't have patience for people that come to a discussing forum and blocks their opponents.