The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

The Tea Party Movement is an American protest movement, styled after the Boston Tea Party, in protest of bigger Government intrusion into the lives of everyday day Americans via higher Federal taxation, uncontrolled Governmental spending -- lack of accountability related to this spending, & intrusion into the lives of every day Americans via laws that erode Liberty & Freedom.

The Movement stands for, among other related principals, a smaller Federal Government, as called for by the Founding Fathers, abolition of oppressive taxation, & the basic tenets of the Constitution – the right to Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Source: Declaration of Independence

The Movement is comprised of mostly citizens that would be considered as Right-of-Center…mostly Libertarian & Conservative, but surprisingly Citizens that describe themselves as outside this political spectrum have been drawn to The Movement in increasing numbers.

Some claim they overwhelmingly believe Patriotism should span the entire political spectrum, & therefore transcends politics in general, but some members also wish to focus their efforts into forming a 3rd. Political Party to contest the Republican & Democrat Parties.

A December 7, 2009 poll made by Rasmussen found, in a three-way generic ballot test featuring a hypothetical "Tea Party" candidate, Democrats attracted 36% of the vote, the Tea Party candidate picked up 23%, and Republicans finish third at 18%.
Among independent voters, the Tea Party bested both Democrat and Republican candidates, with 33% of all independent voters preferring the Tea Party candidate.
In a December 16, 2009 Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the Tea Party movement fared better than both the Republican and Democratic parties, with 41% of respondents saying they had a "favorable" or "somewhat favorable" view of it.

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The members of The Movement seem quite split on the issue of becoming a political party because many prefer the mantra of ‘Movement’ as opposed to that of ‘Party’, while some say “why join up with the bastards were dead set against”. Many of the members think that in order to have a greater say in the outcome of events they require the cohesiveness & control of an organized political party. Regardless of this issue, The Movement will remain a powerful & growing force that will need to be addressed thoroughly if any political party purports to draw on their political support.


This video & song has been suggested as a battle cry for the Tea Party Movement, an anthem so to speak.


Too Late to Apologize: A Declaration

I wonder where they were when Bush II. racked up the most of the debt & deficit we have now
Smells like astroturf.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

This video & song has been suggested as a battle cry for the Tea Party Movement, an anthem so to speak.

If that's a battle cry then I want to be on the other team.

Let me tell you, this tea party movement is absolutely and utterly retarded. The folks who had the actual tea party would share a good laugh at these imbeciles' expense. It's just drama. Making something that's not really a big deal into a huge deal.

I think most Americans have not heard of "The American Tea Party Movement."

you got 'em running Smileyfaze.
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Originally posted by Macallan:

So the OIC is now into offshore banking too?

i very much doubt they would need you or I to tell them that.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The American Tea Party Movement--A Second Revolution?

Not hardly.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The Movement stands for, among other related principals, a smaller Federal Government, as called for by the Founding Fathers, abolition of oppressive taxation, & the basic tenets of the Constitution – the right to Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness.

That is a load of nonsense.
I was visiting a relative that lived a good bit away from where I live and I was able to watch the opening of the Tea Party convention on Friday.
This so-called "movement" is an absolute disgrace. They bandy all these words that you mention about like a cheap whore on the square.
It is a disgrace. This whole movement seized upon Dr. Ron Paul's idea to protest in front of the capitol about a year ago and have spent the whole year organizing this whole charade.
This "movement" is full of fundamentalist Christian right-wingers who desire a theocracy in this country. The whole opening ceremony was dedicating to questioning President Obama's birth certificate. Now, I thought that some people in this country couldn't have their heads any more up their ass, but this whole "movement" surprised me by going on about his birth certificate for a good hour.
After that, they talked for a good solid hour bemoaning the fact that kids couldn't have organized prayer in public schools and how it was a disgrace and abomination to God (yes, the same grumpy bastard from the Old Testament) that the 10 Commandments couldn't be displayed in courthouses anymore. Then it was time to reassure everyone that God would make a triumphant return to the public schooling system upon their election inot offices. After that, it was onto bandying those words that SF so kindly posted for 30 minutes.
After that, I could stomach no more.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The Movement is comprised of mostly citizens that would be considered as Right-of-Center…mostly Libertarian & Conservative

Wrong.
It was full of extreme-right Repubs.
Any person who calls him/herself a Libertarian will not associate with this movement.
I know I certainly will not. I utterly condemn this movement as an affront to the hard work that Dr. Paul has put in for over 35 years.
Their mantra consists soley of Bush-era doctrines. Anyone claiming to be a true Libertarian that supports this movement is a damn liar.

The Teabagger movement will fail before it ever begins to learn to crawl.
May it forever rot.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

this tea party movement is absolutely and utterly retarded.

Damn right!

Originally posted by Macallan:

I wonder where they were when Bush II. racked up the most of the debt & deficit we have now

Well, their convention was held in Nashville, Tennessee ( ) if that tells you anything.

Teabaggers..

"America is ready for another revolution, and you are a part of this...You all have the courage to stand up and speak out." -Sarah Palin speaking at the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville on 01/06/2010.

Of course, she couldn't remember what she wanted to talk about without a little help from her hand


































I'm sure this kind of preparedness is just what our country could have used!

Call again when the dust settles.

Splinter movements in American politics are as American as apple pie. Folks are frightened by current economic uncertainties. If it goes on too long, shibboleths like "Cut Taxes Now" and "Small Government" and "Blame Obama" and "Reign in Social Security Spending" will have increasing purchase. When the sun rises I'd caution all the doom sayers to remember the John Birch Society.

The Tea Party is interesting in that it is realized that third parties do not work, it has also been realized that there is no difference between which party is running the country, that is outside of race and supposed party platform there is little difference between Bush and Obama. Also the Tea Party movement intentionally has no centralized leadership. This is a movement telling the elected officials that people are not happy with the way the country is being run. This is mainly a movement of the "lead" against the leaders. It is analogous to the NOTA preposition for ballots, that is None Of The Above.

Originally posted by grysmn:

Also the Tea Party movement intentionally has no centralized leadership. This is a movement telling the elected officials that people are not happy with the way the country is being run. This is mainly a movement of the "lead" against the leaders. It is analogous to the NOTA preposition for ballots, that is None Of The Above.

Give it time. There are already "factions" developing with regard to where the organization is going...even involving what it's all about. The Republicans will attempt to suck into the movement. The Democrats haven't a prayer, although there are some "Democrats" with sympathies.

In politics it's not enough to have a vague idea of what's wrong or what one wants; it's necessary to have an agenda and a structure to secure it. Hence, political parties. Wanting Jesus to return isn't a program. I'm not suggesting that this is what the Tea Party is about, however.

Btw, most of Empires and Unions are dismantled, so USA is one to go apart. The tea parties injected with such a characters for a very good reason: the elite afraid and wants it to be maneuverable, just like 2 "major" parties.
I've seen these tea party folks standing by on April 15th (if I remember correctly) in downtown of Delray Beach and I was surprisingly glad to see SO MANY folks were chanting and showing their banners about "no income tax", "federal reserve suckups" and stuff like that.
This year I'll see if I could join the right side of the movement, not yet screwed by Alaska's Barby puppeteers.
I don't recall that Dr. Paul had started these parties in TX, I think it comes from different sources simultaneously.
One, for inquired "patriots" and well educated skeptics: "We Are The People" foundation, who actually does everything in writing with lawyers and well educated folks. The way our Feds responded to fully Constitutional petitions and appeals in courts are legendary. We're should be on barricades by now instead of practicing in writing. And surely after knowing all that some well educated and mannered "high-blood" character will complain about "why in Nashville, TN". What you prefer it happened in some SF or NYC? Do not forget History of ur own country, pal. TN is the "Volunteer State".
Unfortunately, whoever that announced to remain "anonymous sponsor" is, "they" accomplished what needs to be done for their own purpose. To screw the "tea party" movement in its platform reading. Now we could clearly see that we simply CANNOT and SHOULD not form any centralized management on the fly. The whole movement has to be forged from me and you. I'd agree to cal Mr. Robert Schulz (http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UPDATE/Update2010-02-06.htm) or Dr. Paul to lead us though.

Originally posted by grysmn:

The Tea Party is interesting in that it is realized that third parties do not work, it has also been realized that there is no difference between which party is running the country, that is outside of race and supposed party platform there is little difference between Bush and Obama. Also the Tea Party movement intentionally has no centralized leadership. This is a movement telling the elected officials that people are not happy with the way the country is being run.

I find that in watching the coverage on various channels it seems that the bulk of what was covered was directed at the nutters (who represent a small portion of the entire movement, but get the most attention from the pro-left media), as opposed the the real down to earth, 'I love my country & I want to take it back from those that would do it harm' people. Those are the people who make up the overwhelming majority. Every group has a sub-group of nutters, and the Tea Party Movement has it's own for sure. Unfortunately, those that have honest & well meaning objectives at heart will always get the least attention. Just don't ever write them off, because they are not only strong, they are getting stronger & they will be a force to reckon with come November, regardless of whatever light the media tries to show them in.

The Tea Party movement in Iowa has grown from a political curiosity to a full-fledged phenomenon and potentially powerful force in this year’s state and national elections.
Democrats around the country have disparaged the Tea Party demonstrations, generally dismissing its supporters as wing nuts. The Iowa Poll results in Sunday’s Register might change that, at least in Iowa. It shows one-third of Iowans consider themselves supporters of the Tea Party movement, regardless of party affiliation. Only about a third of these are Republicans. And they seem very inclined to vote.

Source:Insult the tea party? That’s risky

Find the actual breakdown here. Iowa Poll: 33% of Iowans support 'tea party' movement

Poll shows strength of tea party in Iowa

The one thing I find they ALL have in common is that they are ALL damn angry, angry with a Government that has arrogantly turned a deaf ear to their needs & complaints, a Government that has strayed away from what the Founding Fathers originally intended--a behind the scenes servant & protector, as opposed to an in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny that purports to know better than you all on what you all need to live & how you all should live your life.

The majority of those that dislike them, it's evident not only here but in many discussion groups, they most probably dislike the Movement because they have been sold a distorted bill of goods by an agenda driven leftist media, & the Tea Party Movement is something most of them have never had to deal with in their lifetime---A group willing to take a stand & fight the hard fight. A patriotic militancy that won't be led willingly down the wrong path. Average men, women, & children willing to take a stance on what is wrong with their Government, and hell bent on turning it to the right path, a direction where it was intended by the Founding Fathers to go, & how it should act in behalf of it's citizens getting there.

I suggest one thing. Don't ever write them off, because they are not only strong they're not going away! They are getting stronger day to day, & like it or not they will be a force to reckon with come November & long into the future, regardless of whatever shady light the agenda driven leftist media tries to show them in.

Not a political party, no, a movement yes--one willing to hitch it's wagon to those that prove beyond words that they are willing to do their bidding & the true business of America--an America of the people, by the people, & for the people.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

an in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny that purports to know better than you all on what you all need to live & how you all should live your life

If they're honestly concerned with any of that where the <expletive> were they when Bush II. was in office?
Leftist media my arse, the whole thing stinks of belated swiftboaters for McCain.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Leftist media my arse

They stink of Marxism!

Originally posted by Macallan:

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Leftist media my arse, the whole thing stinks of belated swiftboaters for McCain.

Believe what you will, it may have taken a long time to get here, but it's here--now!

Now that it's started, it won't stop until the Constitution is safe, & honored in dignity as the document to clearly follow rather than merely papers to obfuscate. The hour of finger pointing has past, it's time to take up the call to your own individual responsibility & positive action for America's future.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I find that in watching the coverage on various channels it seems that the bulk of what was covered was directed at the nutters (who represent a small portion of the entire movement, but get the most attention from the pro-left media), as opposed the the real down to earth, 'I love my country & I want to take it back from those that would do it harm' people.

And since when has CSPAN been biased?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Those are the people who make up the overwhelming majority.

Not to mention the (sometimes militant) Christian fundamentalists that overwhelmingly overpopulate the South.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Just don't ever write them off, because they are not only strong, they are getting stronger & they will be a force to reckon with come November,

A force to reckon with?
Will they be showering the American people with the love of Jesus by basically saying "Screw you Obama!!!! I want to see your Birth Certificate, and I want to see it now dammitt!!! Even if it is on the Internet for everyone to see, I'm still going to deny it exists!!! Give me my Jesus back in the public schools and in gov't!!!! I want America to be a Christian fundamentalist nation!!! I want to be the polar opposite of Iran!!!"


From what I saw of it's member's, the Tea Party is a Caucasion-only party. The only African-American (or minority for that matter) that I saw in the convention was a very pretty young Black woman from my home state of MS.
They remind me strongly of the Dixiecrats in '48.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

a behind the scenes servant & protector, as opposed to an in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny that purports to know better than you all on what you all need to live & how you all should live your life.

As Macallan has pointed out, where the hell were these people during the Bush years?
Why is it that only now they show their mugs?
Are they arch-hypocrites?
I mean for christ's sake, Bush was an "in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny' yet only now this movement made up of at least 95% Caucasions chooses to whine and complain? Why the hell don't these people just call themselves "The Conservative Christian Coalition"?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

A patriotic militancy

for summing up their movement in a nutshell.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Average men, women, & children willing to take a stance

Children will not be taking a stand.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

regardless of whatever shady light the agenda driven leftist media tries to show them in.

Yep. CSPAN definitely is a lefty-commie-pinko network alright.

Dawg, yer just pissed off that they are mostly responsible for awakening America to see that the Government was all wrong about Health Care. The Tea Party brought the message, the Democrat Congress killed it through their inept leadership.

That was just the beginning.

So, drop the anger & get over it.

Blaming Bush for everything doesn't cut it any more. I didn't like the guy either, but I've gotten over it.

It's just silly gibberish that means nothing to anyone anymore--except to obsessive Bush haters that just don't know when to let go--not even the historians are listening anymore. It's just playing to a dwindling crowd.

It's Obama, Reid, & Piglosi driving the taxi now.

So, wipe your crocodile tears away, & put it where it belongs, with inept leadership presently at the helm.

Give it a couple of years.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

I find that in watching the coverage on various channels it seems that the bulk of what was covered was directed at the nutters (who represent a small portion of the entire movement, but get the most attention from the pro-left media), as opposed the the real down to earth, 'I love my country & I want to take it back from those that would do it harm' people.

And since when has CSPAN been biased?

Reality has a left wing bias. Anyone who doesn't cheer for your team is obviously biased.

This is the Tea Party Movement I have come to know, not the tripe being fed over the general broadcast media, & not the one being slandered by disgruntled muckrakers who would have you all believe that the Bible Thumping, Right Wing Nutters represent the absolute majority of the Tea Party Movement--far from it--they are a distinct minority!

High school pep rally. Show me a program, not slogans.

I'm waiting for "Obama is the anti-Christ!" Oh, wait...it's here aplenty.

Everyone is entitled to his version of the facts. Lou Dobbs is the answer. What's the question?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I'm waiting for "Obama is the anti-Christ!" Oh, wait...it's here aplenty.

Yeah, that's already been done to death.

Obama is/was not the entire problem, he just took arrogance, relabeled & repackaged it & sold it as audacity.

He convinced a selfish generation that all they needed was hope, & a change would come to satisfy each & every one of them paid for by the rich.

All they got was a greasy bag of empty promises.

It turns out the rich actually represented all of us, & the costs of these Utopian changes brought about a fury not seen in over 230 years from those expected to foot the bill.

The selfish generation? What became of them? Last seen they were kicking, screaming, & hissyfitting all around the country sides, blaming Bush for all their misfortunes instead of looking to themselves for the root of all their woes!

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

This is the Tea Party Movement I have come to know, not the tripe being fed over the general broadcast media, & not the one being slandered by disgruntled muckrakers who would have you all believe that the Bible Thumping, Right Wing Nutters represent the absolute majority of the Tea Party Movement--far from it--they are a distinct minority!

Every 'movement' has nutters - the reason they get media focus is not because of any left- or right-wing bias, it's because they're the most vocal. And they love your country even more than you do.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

It turns out the rich actually represented all of us, & the costs of these Utopian changes brought about a fury not seen in over 230 years from those expected to foot the bill.

The selfish generation? What became of them? Last seen they were kicking, screaming, & hissyfitting all around the country sides, blaming Bush for all their misfortunes instead of looking to themselves for the root of all their woes!

Breath deeply and clear your head. This is no more than a rant. This Obama hissy is mordant. You're imagining something that doesn't exist. It reminds me of Reagan-fear. You remember his, don't you? The one who raised taxes?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

...You're imagining something that doesn't exist....

You can't be serious...you just can't be...Can you?

Feb. 1 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama proposes a $3.8 trillion fiscal 2011 budget today that calls for $100 billion in additional stimulus spending and projects this year’s deficit will hit a record $1.6 trillion.

Who's going to pay for that? Only the rich?

Yeah, right.

That's just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

(opts out)

Originally posted by Jaybro:

(opts out)

Of course it isn't imaginary, it's real, it's fact, & it's coming to a neighborhood just like yours.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put cap-and-trade legislation on a forced march through the House, and the bill may get a full vote as early as Friday. It looks as if the Democrats will have to destroy the discipline of economics to get it done.......
.......When the Heritage Foundation did its analysis of Waxman-Markey, it broadly compared the economy with and without the carbon tax. Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035

SOURCE: The Wall Street Journal

Maybe we won't be paying for these Obamanations, but our kids, & their kids, & their kid's kids will definitely have to deal with it!

They will surely wonder, why we never did anything about it.

Why didn't we stand up for them?

To them this will surely be "Taxation without representation"

Dr. Ron Paul said it best:

"Let it not be said that we did nothing."

It's time to draw the line---today, not tomorrow---take a stand---if not for yourself, do it for your posterity!

Well, it seems the Tea Party Movement may have the answer.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Dawg, yer just pissed off that they are mostly responsible for awakening America to see that the Government was all wrong about Health Care.

:rofl: Is this supposed to be a joke or something?
The Teabaggers did nothing of the sort.
It was an unified Republican Party along with 1/4 of the (conservative) Democratic Party who doomed the Health Care proposal.
Once Obama opted out of the public option, things went down the crapper.
I am quite amused that you think that the Teabaggers were responsible.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

the Democrat Congress killed it through their inept leadership.

I agree with this part.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

So, drop the anger & get over it.

I'll do nothing of the sort.
This movement makes an absolute mockery of my political beliefs and of the hard work Dr. Paul has put in for over 35 years.
As far as I'm concerned, any Tea(bagger) Party member on here can shove this whole movement up their arse.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Blaming Bush for everything doesn't cut it any more.

So you are avoiding the question yet again huh?
I'm not surprised.
I'll repeat it:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Why is it that only now they show their mugs?
Are they arch-hypocrites?
I mean for christ's sake, Bush was an "in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny' yet only now this movement made up of at least 95% Caucasions chooses to whine and complain?

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

It's just silly gibberish that means nothing to anyone anymore

Delusion worked well for Bantay. Perhaps it will for you too.
You know your prejudices obviously and wouldn't dare criticise a white, war-avoiding, christian male who is a hypocrite (Huge gov't) to no end, but have no problem lashing out at the next Liar-in-Chief. At least the current liar thinks before acting. Teabaggers would do well to learn how to do that.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Anyone who doesn't cheer for your team is obviously biased.

Indeed.

The Heritage Foundation? What a surprise.

I don't know what the far future holds...any more than does the HF. Don't projections depend on intervening events? I'd like to know how the future would have panned out if the RP had held power. I won't get that chance. These are unusual times. What does that presage? I don't know that either.

I do know that the President isn't the second coming. Some might, but not me. Solomon would have cried.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Dawg, yer just pissed off that they are mostly responsible for awakening America to see that the Government was all wrong about Health Care.

:rofl:

Remember the ancient Bulgarian proverb?

"Който се смее последно се смее сам, но по-трудно" loosely translated "He who laughs last laughs alone, but harder"

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

So, drop the anger & get over it.

I'll do nothing of the sort.
This movement makes an absolute mockery of my political beliefs and of the hard work Dr. Paul has put in for over 35 years.
As far as I'm concerned, any Tea(bagger) Party member on here can shove this whole movement up their arse.

Good for you! I may not totally agree, but I'm glad you feel that way, honestly.

It's refreshing to hear that you not only have principals, you're willing to stand up for them as well! That shows spine!

Bravo!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Blaming Bush for everything doesn't cut it any more.

So you are avoiding the question yet again huh?
I'm not surprised.
I'll repeat it:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Why is it that only now they show their mugs?
Are they arch-hypocrites?
I mean for christ's sake, Bush was an "in your face, over the top, excessively spending, arrogant & deaf nanny' yet only now this movement made up of at least 95% Caucasions chooses to whine and complain?

As I basically said to another poster earlier, I believe this Movement really started somewhere around 2006-2007, but it was never properly publicized so it never really caught on, but it's here now, & it does not seem to be going away any time soon.

To be perfectly honest, that's the best answer I can personally offer you.

I know....I know.....If I use my imagination ... ...Yeah!!!........It was probably Bush's fault!

BTW...playing the race card ( the 95% Caucasians thing ) is an awful tactic that I would have never considered you stooping to. I'm disappointingly surprised.[/quote]

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

It's just silly gibberish that means nothing to anyone anymore

Delusion worked well for Bantay. Perhaps it will for you too.

The blaming Bush for everything wrong that ever happened is worn & torn, & is delusional in & of itself.

You should get some new pet causes, 'cause it's turning into a silly obsession.

Old habits die hard, but seriously... I suggest you consider burying that angle, before it ends up burying your personal credibility, but then again that's for you to decide. You have your own reasons to support your excessive repetition.
( I heard that! ...using Cheney instead is really not what I meant wize arse!! ).

The reference to that demented Bantay really wasn't called for, unless you seriously hold me with the same contempt?

I called a substance dangling from the hairs in my arse crack ( visualize that! ) a Bantay the other day. Please don't hold me in a similar light.

From what I saw of it's member's, the Tea Party is a Caucasion-only party. The only African-American (or minority for that matter) that I saw in the convention was a very pretty young Black woman from my home state of MS.
They remind me strongly of the Dixiecrats in '48.

Caucasian, for sure.
Btw, this sounds kind of racially offensive bc "Caucasian" are dark curly haired and we have a big chunk of protester as pure blonds.
So there are some mixture of folks.
And African-Americans might had not participate in this movement bc no one was telling them to join yet and/or they just totally satisfied with Obama Administration?
And of course to sit in comfort of your cell and exercise your Shakespearian English and political "bodacity" is much, much safer then actually DO something to support good cause. Sure, play "wise" and step aside. You'll surely find some points to come on board later on.

Peliae-ease stop that rhetorical BS about "where every teaparty participant was in Bush era".
Historically and Naturally things has to come to growth, development and to bloom, remember school classes? Sure elite is trying to screw us all over again. Well, now its The Good Sign. It meaning that these S.O.B'es on D'Hill recognized our willingness and trying to screw the movement in their favor.

Things have a way of balancing out. There was a time when Republicans held the White House, a convincing majority in the House, and a nearly filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. They did diddly nothing with it.

Since Obama came to power, the Democrats have held the White House, a convincing majority in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. They could have made Italian the language of the land and Republicans couldn't have stopped it. They have been doing nothing except bickering amongst themselves.

Right now, the Teabaggers are throwing dust in the air and raising a ruckus. I would bet a month's wages plus overtime that if they ever got into power, holding the White House and both wings of Congress, that they too would do nothing. I dare say I wouldn't lose the bet.

Once people get into power, their first order of business is to try to get re-elected. That requires you to do nothing, because if you do something you're bound to tick somebody off and ticked off people won't vote for you. So, internal party bickering becomes a power preservative. It doesn't hurt to make sure the gravy train makes regular stops in your home district too. Guess who pays for that one?

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

Right now, the Teabaggers are throwing dust in the air and raising a ruckus. I would bet a month's wages plus overtime that if they ever got into power, holding the White House and both wings of Congress, that they too would do nothing. I dare say I wouldn't lose the bet.

Well, I don't think The Tea Party Movement will ever organize enough to establish a political party. I really don't think that's in their top 5 of things to accomplish. During the Revolution, the Patriots only came out to fight when there wasn't crops to tend back home. But when push came to shove they were there on the dime---by the tens of thousands. When the fightin' was over they went back home, till the next go round.

I think they will probably be happy enough to back someone they feel will best represent their cause & their principals from within a party that actually has a chance to win, & the way the trend is going (Independents are the fastest growing political group in the Country--Dems & Repubs are waning) within 5-10 years that will probably most always be an Independent as opposed to a bluey, or a reddie. I can even see a President coming from the Independent tribe some day.

Tea Party Movements members are probably more motivated to vote than any other established group. That being said, who ever caters to the needs & principals of The Tea Party Movements membership will have the better than even chance to win. Why, as I said before, because they are so highly motivated & because of their very diverse nature they could be in the hundreds of millions. No one will ever actually know for sure. All registered to vote, but in no particular party heading--actually & most probably all of them--will drive the pollsters absolutely nuts. On the negative side, anyone that pisses them off, to the unemployment line shall they surely go!

I'm confused here. Do the tea party members believe that we should have spent no money on economic recovery efforts or that we should have spent money, but spent less?

Either way, what economic principles do they base this opinion from?

Originally posted by parkerjm:

I'm confused here. Do the tea party members believe that we should have spent no money on economic recovery efforts or that we should have spent money, but spent less?

Either way, what economic principles do they base this opinion from?

I don't honestly know myself, except to say those that thought it may have been necessary were/are probably angry with the willy-nilly way it was done--mostly relating to accountability issues.

Again, on a similar note, I would have to guess those that didn't think it was a good idea, just plain old hate the idea of who it was given to, actually that it was give to anyone at all with absolutely no strings attached.

Either way, choose yer poison, both groups--if I'm so bold to think there are just two--there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever--it's absolutely crystal clear--they all vehemently despise BIG Government.

Economic principals, I would have to say that Economic principals probably don't receive much consideration if at all. So what they might be, in all honesty your guess would be as good as mine.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

Either way, what economic principles do they base this opinion from?

"We don't want to pay taxes."

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Good for you! I may not totally agree, but I'm glad you feel that way, honestly.

It's refreshing to hear that you not only have principals, you're willing to stand up for them as well! That shows spine!

Bravo!

Many thanks.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

It was probably Bush's fault!

No, not at all.
Contrary to your assertion that I am using Bambi Obama's favourite tactic, I am simply rather amused that you always seem to hold Obama with the same contempt that I do towards both parties. I am simply wanting to know why I didn't see more of this type of attitude in all of '08. (If I remember correctly, you joined in spring of '08, right?) I would really appreciate an answer.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

BTW...playing the race card ( the 95% Caucasians thing ) is an awful tactic that I would have never considered you stooping to. I'm disappointingly surprised.

I am not using the race card. I am simply posting what I observed on CSPAN last Friday night.
That, my friend, is not playing the race card.
The truth is not always a pretty thing, but in any case, it is always necessary.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The blaming Bush for everything wrong that ever happened is worn & torn, & is delusional in & of itself.

So you are saying that no one should blame him in particular for the HUGE expansion of gov't and the loss of out liberties?
Just as you are seemingly disappointingly surprised, I am equally disappointed that you will not hold the perp of huge gov't accountable for what he did.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

The reference to that demented Bantay really wasn't called for, unless you seriously hold me with the same contempt?

No, I don't.
I just really do not like the Teabagger Party and I really hate to see that you have fallen for their rubbish hook, line and sinker.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I just really do not like the Teabagger Party and I really hate to see that you have fallen for their rubbish hook, line and sinker.

I don't consider what I have encountered as rubbish. What a few nutters do, that's an embarrassment--all organizations have them & usually they shout the loudest, but they do not reflect the overall feelings & attitudes of the Movement as a whole. They are a distinct minority.

Secondly, lets get this clear. It's not a party.

The American Tea Party Movement is just that,a movement, a movement who's common bonds are total disdain for BIG Government, for outrageous Government spending & waste while ignoring accountability, for oppressive Federal taxation, & for Governmental intrusion into the lives of every day Americas ever eroding liberty & freedom.

The only mention of Party is in their name, Tea Party Movement. The overwhelming majority of people I have heard from or spoken to want nothing---no nothing---with belonging to or creating a political party. They already belong to & are registered to other political parties, or are registered as Independent.

Most freely come & go to gatherings as they please, & at will---there is no membership structure. They are from all walks of life, occupations, & from all persuasions. They are men, women, & children. They are middle aged, they are elderly, they are in their teens. The bond that binds them all together is what I mentioned earlier.

You can hate them, or you can love them. Either way you can be part of them, or you can avoid them like the plague. Such a wonderful thing liberty & freedom is. You aren't bound by anything but the common bond of being an American & the enormous pride that goes with it. You are always welcome to come & go as you please.

Most of all they wish you no harm, that is unless you physically threaten or harm the United States or it's citizens. Then you buy the farm!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I am simply wanting to know why I didn't see more of this type of attitude in all of '08. (If I remember correctly, you joined in spring of '08, right?)

Asked & answered months ago. Read back, you will see.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

it's necessary to have an agenda and a structure to secure it. Hence, political parties.

The agenda is the politician answering to the average voter, that is be more responsible economically and reduce the bureaucracy or replace the non responsive politician no matter the party.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Unfortunately, those that have honest & well meaning objectives at heart will always get the least attention. Just don't ever write them off, because they are not only strong, they are getting stronger & they will be a force to reckon with come November, regardless of whatever light the media tries to show them in.

in answer for the ridicule directed at them, the Tea Party movement say sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

I'm confused here. Do the tea party members believe that we should have spent no money on economic recovery efforts or that we should have spent money, but spent less?

They believe that the money should have been spent more smartly with accountability. The Tea Party argue that it is unacceptable to be told by the Treasury Secretary and Federal Reserve Chairman that they do not know where the stimulus money was spent. The Tea Party movement notes that both Bush and Obama bailed out the Banks and Corporations while unemployment sky rocketed.

Originally posted by Smileyfaze:

Economic principals, I would have to say that Economic principals probably don't receive much consideration if at all. So what they might be, in all honesty your guess would be as good as mine.

Well, somebody here needs to attend one of their meetings. You're hired.

I was briefly entangled in local politics. I hated it, so I'm not available.

Originally posted by grysmn:

The agenda is the politician answering to the average voter, that is be more responsible economically and reduce the bureaucracy or replace the non responsive politician no matter the party.

I don't know who the average voter is, me or my red-neck neighbor (I don't actually have one). The latter part is called elections.

I still don't know how long to give this movement, but guess that it'll be ready for history books in about two years or after our current economic woes diminish. That doesn't mean that there won't always be people out there who hate politicians...at least the ones who stand for their version of the unthinkable.
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Question for our European friends. Do vaguely similar trends exist in European politics?

Originally posted by parkerjm:

I'm confused here. Do the tea party members believe that we should have spent no money on economic recovery efforts or that we should have spent money, but spent less?

Basically, it's okay for other Americans to starve and suffer, as long as we're alright. Just because various members of different parties made stupid decisions in the past couple of decades, we shouldn't have to do anything to fix the damage.

Teabaggers are, by and large, imbeciles. They represent nothing more than angry ranting.

And here I thought public teabagging would be illegal in most states

I don't think you folks understand American conservatives. Generally, they're not stupid...no more so than any other class of people. It's difficult to simplify, but the ones I've known, one over decades, is that liberal solutions to social problems are fraught with problems. In that view social problems are not amenable to pat governmental solutions because such programs blanket the real problems...that is, that the underclass is more defined by a lack of ambition and willingness to work hard to improve their conditions. One man whom I knew over decades was very bright, a guy who had a very simple start in life and who worked his ass off to make something more. He ran a farm, worked for an international chemical firm and went to university at the same time. It was impossible for me to see his view of things, but I could understand why it might appeal to him and others like him. On his wife's side were many people who'd done pretty much the same thing. Sons and daughters of an immigrant farmer, they'd managed to educate themselves and work into comfortable but hard-earned lives.

They were one generation removed from Eastern Europe. I can't believe that there aren't people like them in Europe. I could be altogether wrong, though. I often am.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Question for our European friends. Do vaguely similar trends exist in European politics?

To Northerns I don't know, they are strange people. But to Southern people we are more interested in going to the beach or discussing at the Café than spending our time with any sort of "movements". Movements are so unclassy.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I don't think you folks understand American conservatives. Generally, they're not stupid...no more so than any other class of people. It's difficult to simplify, but the ones I've known, one over decades, is that liberal solutions to social problems are fraught with problems. In that view social problems are not amenable to pat governmental solutions because such programs blanket the real problems...that is, that the underclass is more defined by a lack of ambition and willingness to work hard to improve their conditions.

I have never thought that conservatives are stupid - my only problem is that they tend to approach problems as if all people are the same as them, i.e. I work hard to feed my family / if you can't feed your family it's because you're not working hard, or I don't need the government controlling my life / nobody needs the government controlling their lives.

I have exactly the same problems with the kind of 'liberal' that certain members here would call the 'PC brigade', those who think in reverse of this - that instead of not applying any rules to anyone, think it's fairer to apply lots of rules to everyone. The blanket approach, as you say.

Of course, the tailored approach is even more expensive and problematic...