Opera Calendar

Opera Calendar

It would be nice if the opera has integrated calendar, like it has mail client. Then it will be complete solution for office users. They will not be needing Outlook or Thunderbird, because the Opera has the Mail client and the Calendar that should be available to be synced with gmail calendar or exchange calendar, or work as stand alone calendar...

Hope it will never be implemented...
Opera should remain a browser and not turn into some huge bin where you drop anything every computer user ever wanted.

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

Opera should remain a browser

Opera has never been just a browser. It can't remain what it never was.

I think this is rubbish - Opera IS in essence a browser, is advertised this way, and at first didn't even have M2. You can argue that M2 and the feed reader are more or less browser-related, at least internet-related, but a calendar?! Why not a music payer as well?
There are thousands of calendar on the web, that people can download - one of the most popular is rainlendar, and it seems to give satisfaction.

Hello,

well, in spite of Opera is mainly used as a browser some functions like the mail or the feed reader are very useful and highly integrative. Therefore I see no problem. The notes functionality could be extended anyway by some calendar functionality. Perhaps with an optional DateTime filter.

Sincerely,
Sven

arent there like gazillion widgets for this?

Originally posted by bleicher:

arent there like gazillion widgets for this?

sure, but Opera is not lame FF where you have to all functions find and install - you've got all in one =)

+ if you won't want it, then don't use it

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

I think this is rubbish - Opera IS in essence a browser, is advertised this way, and at first didn't even have M2.

You are wrong. Even the first public version of Opera had a newsgroup reader, and was able to send mail. Opera has never been just a browser, no matter how often you keep repeating the opposite.

I am not intersted in discussing with you as I don't really care about what you have to say. I am just voicing my opinion that I do not want a calendar or some similar junk in Opera.
Also, people should realise that the more developpers work on peripheral projects, the less they'll have time to fix existing bugs - it's a trade-off.

I agree that Opera needs a calendar. It doesn't have to affect the browser functionality just like the mail doesn't. If you are using Opera just as a browser that is your option but opera is far from being just a browser. It's now even a web server!!! and manages this without losing anything.

I need a calendar. I currently use Outlook just for its calendar functionality... I'm sure that every person who uses the mail functionality would absolutely love to also have the calendar built in. It's a no-brainer in my opinion...

OK, but where do you stop? I mean, let's say that I want to add a registry cleaner to opera. How is it internet-related? It is not
How is a calendar internet-related? It is not. It can be for some users related to e-mail, which itself it related to internet, which needs a browser to be accessed. Whew.
The problem is not what you lose, it's what you get that you don't want. If I need a hammer, I won't get a tool set - even if it's free. I just want the hammer, not the screwdrivers, pliers etc. - the other tools would sit somewhere at home, taking space and quietly gathering dust.
But I acknowledge that the wish for having everything in one place is very modern - nowadays you have a complete meal in one microwavable dish, most cars are fitted by default with a GPS, airco and all, etc etc. Still, I don't like it, if only because I consider it a waste, and also because it's easy for users to get what they lack (by buying the tool set or just the screwdriver they need, by taking the airco option, by downloading a calendar program from the web), but impossible for others to get rid of what they don't need (the useless 50 tools take space in the cupboard, the calendar stuff inevitably adds overhead to opera, making it longer to start up/close etc.).

I wonder why did Microsoft put the Calendar in Outlook if it's not Internet related?
You have the Internet. You have email. And you have the meeting invitations send via email. There is your connection

What microsoft put in their software is another debate and not my point.
Of course you can find a connection, but it is far-fetched... a reg cleaner uses the internet to get updates, so why not include it? You could use opera link to backup what it removes, so it you have a problem you can restore it later.
Once again - it's easy to get what you want when you don't have it, but impossible to get rid of what you have if you didn't request it. In the end it means less choice for current or potential users (some of which choose the application with the most features, some of which the one with just what they need, and some of which the faster, light app which performs only one basic and specialised task).

It's not just Microsoft, the Gnome people put the calendar in their Evolution mail client. Mozilla also has the calendar as an extension for Thunderbird. Trust me. The calendar place is with the email client. Think corporate. You have meetings, and if you don't want to invent a new protocol for delivering meeting invitations and responses you use email.

I bet you that as soon as Opera will have the resources they will develop this functionality and it will kick ass

Well, I know what you mean with meetings - have some all the time - but I use rainlendar to hold all important dates.
I think it all boils down to how you use your computer - I personally never liked all-integrated software, as I often find the scattered focus never does good to the overall usuability and speed.
Some people manage their records database with access, others (self included) use a 10K command-line executable database app - both methods work, but the two groups have different motivations

> pure a browser

And what about M2?
What about Notes?
What about Widgets?
What about the feed reader?
What about Unite?
What about the Groups Reader?
What about Torents?
What about Chat?

What about...

Dude - a calender isn't even a good after thought compared to what is cramed in Opera these days. It is a nobrainder - of course it should have a calendar.


>OK, but where do you stop?

Why would you stop? Google, Microsoft, and Apple are not going to stop.

>Why would you stop?

Read my previous post

>Google, Microsoft, and Apple are not going to stop.

Actually, Google has decided to launch a browser which is extremely minimalistic when you use it without plug-ins. It loads much faster than Opera and has a very simple user interface. This is why people have instantly taken a liking to it, and why you can read on many forums tha t"chrome is better than IE which it bloated".

>It is a nobrainder - of course it should have a calendar.

Again, read my previous post. It's not because implementing it is easy that you should have it. Lots of stuff are easy to put in - again, why not a registry cleaner? If it was ever seriously proposed people would have jumped to the ceiling.......

Anyway, I don't think those discussions will be picked up by the Opera team - in the end, they will look at the numbers -- if chrome keeps gaining in popularity, then probably there is a lesson to take from it. If adding unite / link / etc. to Opera makes it more popular, faster than Chrome, then indeed it means that what users want are more features. I of course may be wrong, but my intuition tells me that Chrome has very bright days ahead; and I for one, would let go of Opera when it comes with "too many features" (this is a relative term, of course, but it is why for now I mostly use chrome). Let's not forget that "fast" also means a faststart-up and close... and that a lot of people like it when they don't stumble on things they don't want (amply discussed in the opera lite topic, and very well defended by a poster whose name I can't at present recall -- so I won't start over again).
To cut a long story short - I do hope that I will never see a calendar make it to Opera. Nor a registry cleaner, for that matter.
Cheers

Good morning everyone,

indeed it is nice to have a fast browser, but as you, DieuBaZin, might recognized many posters would like to take advantage of a calendar. Hereby you can see that more people want to have a featured browser e.g. Firefox rather than a speedy browser. Naturally waiting a minute for start-up is slightly bad, however Opera starts quickly enough, in my opinion, and a calendar would hardly slow it down. Furthermore it has no impact on browsing speed. Therefore you can unimpededly use the essence of Opera.

To be democratic, the thread opener could include a poll.

Have a nice day,
Sven

I use OpenOffice which is great except it does not have an email client like MS Office, so I use Opera and that works perfect, except, I wish Opera would have a calender. Now I have to use Google calender but it only sends email notifications in Gmail, and not to my emails in Opera. A calender in Opera would simply be awesome and make my life complete!

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Against, exactly as I'm against built-in.

In era where we have a lot of good web-services, like Gmail, Google Calendar etc., there is no need to waste a time for that, I suggest to focus on web-standards, extensions, speed, security, dragonfly etc...

Why to invent a bicycle for the second time, after Google Calendar has been released.

Less code, less bugs :-)

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

I am not intersted in discussing with you as I don't really care about what you have to say. I am just voicing my opinion that I do not want a calendar or some similar junk in Opera.

You should care when someone spends their precious time educating you about the facts. You are not voicing your opinion, you are making statements that are factually wrong. You should take corrections to heart and stop making these factually wrong statements. You can hold the opinion that there shouldn't be a calendar in Opera, but you can't claim that Opera has ever been just a browser, because that is just completely wrong.

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

OK, but where do you stop?

That is up to Opera.

How is a calendar internet-related? It is not.

It's related to mail and contacts.

The problem is not what you lose, it's what you get that you don't want.

You get that with all applications, and certainly with Opera, which has never been just a browser.

Originally posted by budnyatski:

In era where we have a lot of good web-services, like Gmail, Google Calendar etc., there is no need to waste a time for that

First of all there is Opera Mail, which is very very convenient as well as Google Mail. So as you mentioned there is Google Calendar. Why no Opera Calendar?
Secondly, users should be able to chose their most suitable way of performing tasks. They would like to do this for instance either online or offline.
Thirdly, for the second reason Opera could increase its amount of customers.

I would appreciate especially the last one.

Sven

prd, up to you to believe that I am wrong or not, as stated earlier I am not interested in discussing with you, and will stop iterating with you here.

>less code, less bugs

exactly my point.

>Thirdly, for the second reason Opera could increase its amount of customers.
>I would appreciate especially the last one.

I don't understand why you care. I mean, it';s not like our salaries are linked to theirs, and some freeware software (developped by individuals on their free time) are extremely powerful and well-built. So, why is it important to users that the developpers make money?! I think we know that software quality is not related to the income developpers make from it, don't we?

Also, there is no question of "democracy" here - this is a wish-list, and is by no means intended to be direct requests to the dev. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, that's all.

cheers

Hi to all poster to the thread!

The reason I started this thread was because I am using Opera at work, and that is 8 hours 5 days a week, and after that I am continuing using it at home, and with the sync notes, bookmarks etc, for me it is a perfect office solution for net communication. The problem is with the meetings and the google calendar. I must log in to google to see the calendar!

So I do not use Opera just as a browser, but like a solution to my daily work! And it is perfect for all the tasks, except Calendar.

You say that it will kill the browser. I think it will expand the browser. Opera is the future browser! Opera was the first browser publishing the tabbed browsing. Opera was the first with perfect email client in it. Opera was the first with sync. Opera was the first with torrent client in it........ok I will stop because there are much more to go!

So from the beginning opera is not just a browser!

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

prd, up to you to believe that I am wrong or not

It is not something I believe. I have shown you that your claim was wrong. It is not a matter of belief. It's a matter of fact.

So, why is it important to users that the developpers make money?!

Otherwise the software will disappear.

I think we know that software quality is not related to the income developpers make from it, don't we?

Yes, quality is indeed related to having professional developers who know how to write decent code.

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

Also, there is no question of "democracy" here

Democracy shows us the way many user would like to use. Therefore it could be useful for the Opera Team.

Originally posted by DieuBaZin:

I don't understand why you care.

More money stabilizes the entire development process. It is not always a matter of quality of the released product. Every company has to take a long view.

So, if this feature helps the thread opener, perhaps it will also help one percent of the browser users, if not even more. So this is a potential customer gains or a lower probability to lose customers.

Sven

>You say that it will kill the browser.

No, I didn't say that. I said that

1. I didn't want it, and
2. it makes it less appealing for a part of the user pool, a part I happen to belong to

I too use opera at work and at home, and never had the need for an integrated calendar; so once again, it is not a matter of usage but of personal preference.

>Democracy shows us the way many user would like to use. Therefore it could be useful for the Opera Team.

Democracy implies a vote and implies that the result of this vote will be accepted

1. by the developpers
2. by the community

A vote on some random forums will never pass any of these requirements. Again, there is no question of democracy - people here are just saying what they want or don't want. This has nothing to do with politics.

>More money stabilizes the entire development process. It is not always a matter of quality of the released product. Every company has to take >a long view.

True. Personally I'm concerned with quality. I'd rather get less releases and less bugs, for Opera and for each piece of software I use.
I don't see how a company corporate plan has to do with us - we won't decide it, and it won't be an incentive for us to use, or not, the piece of software they produce. We choose application X over application Y because the quality of X is, to our eyes, better than that of Y. Otherwise there would be no debate, and all people would be using internet explorer, as obviously the corporate plan and marketing powers of microsoft are much more powerful than the competition's.

>So, if this feature helps the thread opener, perhaps it will also help one percent of the browser users, if not even more. So this is a potential >customer gains or a lower probability to lose customers.

Perhaps they'll gain 1% more users, and perhaps at the same time they'll lose 3% who didn't want this feature. You are assuming that this forum is statistically representative of the global user pool, which none of us has any way to know. And it is also true that on the forums, many users periodically request *less* features, or a lighter version, or a faster version (as in faster start-up, faster closing, less mem usage/swapping etc).
Assuming that the only way to get users (in the case of the opera browser for desktops, not customers, since we don't pay for it) is to add features to a product is not necessarily true. See the recent success of chrome, whose base version is extremely featureless and minimalistic, but which is modular enough to please those who want always more stuff.

Last but not least, it seems that posting a request on the wish-list forums automatically implies that all subsequent posters must voice their agreement and say it's great. I don't see why this should be so.....

And based on this personal preferences the user shall opt the right one. However this will only be possible if the feature is available.

To anyone against the inclusion of a calendar. The word calendar has 2 basic meanings here:
1) A way to look up dates in a table. Similar to a paper calendar or a widget calendar.
2) A meeting invitation system often attached to an email client.
It is 2 that is wanted in Opera. But really it is wanted in the M2 mail client. Not in the browser. But as they are already in the same application, that is the reason it is wanted in Opera.
This is not part of an endless list of gimmicks requested. It is an obvious missing piece when you look at mail clients. Sure they could use a stand alone calendar. But people like Opera. And they also want a calendar that they like. And not risk using some ill thought out application by someone unknown.

Hello again,

thank you, lince, for this timeline. It confirms the absence of a generally required but missing feature in Opera as ianp5a mentioned.

Best Regards,
Sven

But as there is still no calendar in Opera there are clearly not enough threads about it. We need more!

What a wonderful debate!! I guess there are plans to implement a calendar. Around a year ago, I saw a job opening requiring knowledge in calendar protocol.

It should be quite a good news to people who use calendar on their computers. If the design is good enough, if they are optimized, one app for many purposes is not bad. No memory for duplicated interfaces, more cross app functionalities.

I'm using Sunbird for my schedules. When I am free to monitor the system memory status, I have a hope that calendar will be part of some application that I often use. Referenced with the small footprint with the integrated email client.

Great Debate! After reading it, i feel a calendar being more neccessary than ever. A lot of people here had very detailed knowledge and exact expectations on what they want to do with it, rather than just saying " i dont want it".
Mozilla as well continually offers new approaches and solutions here (seamonkey).


Furthermore, a software like Opera that leads the market in terms of functionality with tools such as Unite (that spreads over most aspects of every day internet usage) just can't avoid a core function like a calendar after all, can it? Just imagine: Your calendar everywhere you go with Opera Link, and directly accessible with Unite.

That would almost kill Outlook for me. Because it now does what i consider being Operas Philosophy: Creating synergies between everyday used processes in the internet, and handing me the tools to get there easily. That is why first downloaded it and also patiently lived with all the early compatibility issued. And i just dont want to have to change to Mozilla again!

Let us have it! Anybody can turn it off if he wants to. Like with the email client.

Has anyone heard an official statement by the Opera Developers yet?

Best Wishes to all Opera Fans out there

I would love a calendar integrated into Notes & Mail & its not as if adding features has slowed Opera down just tested Opera at Peacekeeper
Opera 10.51 = 9515
Chrome 4.1.2= 6683

Just get someone to write a Unite Application for that purpose. I've thought about this as well, but I definitely fail to have the skills necessary . But with Unite I think you could even Symc the calender using SyncML. Also a puclic calender (that hides private entries) would be handy.

Originally posted by hobe:

But with Unite I think you could even Symc the calender using SyncML.

Something more or less similar to Google Calendar with SyncML would be super neat, hehe.

yes yes yes! Someone do a Unite Application pls. I would but i am not able to!

Great idea. But the more i gave it some thought, the more i am convinced we still would need a browser implemented calendar as well ( that goes synched with the unite of course) to be able to have emailed meeting invitations and stuff like that.

an opera desktop browser please

A bit ironic?

I agree with your comments

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A while ago I was all for a calendar and task list integrated into Opera, but now I'm not so sure. This isn't a dig at Opera Software, I love their products and wouldn't consider using another browser as my main browser ever.... but...... Opera has for a long time introduced new features, left them half developed and rarely updated them.

The RSS reader is a perfect example. It is functional yes, but for years people have requested upgrades like folder categorisation, and even to move it into it's own panel. The IRC functionality of Opera is also neat.... but it hasn't really had any improvements to it since it was introduced years ago, making it a half baked, semi worthless addition that probably only a vast minority of people know exists, and even fewer use. M2, whilst being revolutionary in its day, has been notorious for not seeing significant updates for many many versions inbetween. The bitorrent functionality is also cool but once again, very, very slim on even the most basic functionality.

I guess what I'm saying is that Opera do put out magnificent programs, but I don't think they are big enough to develop all of these separate modules to the extent they deserve to be. I could see if they made a calendar module it would take time away from other resources, give us a working, usable calendar yes, but probably one lacking in features and it too would sit there and stagnate in the way other Opera modules have.

I've been using Opera for a good amount of time now, and I've consistently felt that the only thing missing from it was a Calendar. It doesn't have to be anything highly complex just something to view days, and append notes to specific days. That's it!

If you want a browser that does everything then switch to Flock or something like that. I just feel that many people have online calendar based programs (google, yahoo, outlook), and it'd be much more convenient to have an integrated one in Opera....that is the reason why I use the mail-client after-all. I don't see it adding a massive amount of code, or dramatically increasing the file size.

If you don't want it then don't look at it, Opera usually is pretty good at making feature you don't want to see easily able to hide.

i would like to have a calender in opera as well

Originally posted by santouras:

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A while ago I was all for a calendar and task list integrated into Opera, but now I'm not so sure. This isn't a dig at Opera Software, I love their products and wouldn't consider using another browser as my main browser ever.... but...... Opera has for a long time introduced new features, left them half developed and rarely updated them.

Another good example is HTML 4.01. I haven't tested it in years, but I'm sure that they still haven't implemented all the features. Many years ago, I wrote a message about COLSPAN and ROWSPAN, but they never did anything about it for years. They bragged that they there were 4.01 compliant, but they were wrong. Many years later, they fixed 1, but not the other.

would you accept a widget-solution^^?
as promised i tried one version - have i forgot something?

well... this calendar should also communicate with M2... standalone calendar without integration to M2 is useless...i can use google calendar in this case...

i am not sure if widget can do it...
recently i have found nice widget called AGENDA

no advertising - i am not doing it either (though my is better^^) - and why should a calendar/scheduler communicate with emails? widgets cant do, its true, but why? are you expecting the scheduler to right you greetings mails at your relatives or what?

I can add mail as a task, i can create the event from mails(it will take the sender name), i can delegate task from task list via mail (right from task list menu) etc..

A widget just doesn't cut it. Opera seems to have enough problems with widgets at times, especially since the desktop integration, so it'd be best just to have a completely integrated product.