I want to remove the "Title bar" but can't find an option to.

I want to remove the "Title bar" but can't find an option to.

I moved my tabs to the bottom, because i like my tabs at the bottom - with the rest of the windows tabs. When i moved the tab bar down there, Opera did two things:

1. It put up the title bar, when "out of the box" it's not there (which is both pretty and space efficient) - i'd like to keep it gone but i can't get rid of it. (refer screenshot)

2. The "big O" INSISTS on being in my tab bar - i've removed it a dozen times and it keeps coming back. As my tabs are at the bottom - i don't want the O there and have put it up the top. It stays elsewhere (where i want it), but it won't stay gone from the tab bar.

It was a clean install, Opera had not been on this PC before.

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

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Put your tabs at the top — that's the only way to remove the title bar.

The O button is its own toolbar. In the customize dialog, click on it and as placement choose off.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Put your tabs at the top — that's the only way to remove the title bar.

Nooooo

I won't move the tabs to the top. It's a silly place to put them. Every other click one does is at the bottom. Start Menu. Programs. Show Desktop. Icon Tray.... all of it. EDIT - it's one of the most practical features of Opera and one reason i stick with it.

I guess i'll just have to live with the wasted space. Please make it possible it Opera

EDIT2: Also - when i move the tab bar to the top - it didn't go back to the original way. The title bar is still there.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

The O button is its own toolbar. In the customize dialog, click on it and as placement choose off.

Thanks - that seemed to work. If i want to put it back one day - what is that toolbar called?

Didn't know you could get rid of the title bar.

Thought it was part of "Windows" and could not be removed!

So running - Version :10.51, Build : 3315, Platform : Win32, System : Windows XP,

How do I get rid of the title bar?

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

I won't move the tabs to the top. It's a silly place to put them. Every other click one does is at the bottom. Start Menu. Programs. Show Desktop. Icon Tray.... all of it. EDIT - it's one of the most practical features of Opera and one reason i stick with it.

Put the windows task bar at the top. The bottom is a silly place to put it. Every other click one does is at the top where an applications menus are, and where the windows title bar is. The bottom is the right place for the status bar, which is only for reading — there is no need to click there at all.

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

Also - when i move the tab bar to the top - it didn't go back to the original way. The title bar is still there.

If you have any other bar open at the top, e.g. menu bar, personal bar, main bar, then the title bar will also be displayed.

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

what is that toolbar called?

Its not named on the Appearance dialogue, but in toolbar.ini it is called the Pagebar head toolbar.
[Pagebar Head.content]
MenuButton0

Originally posted by osolomio:

So running - Version :10.51, Build : 3315, Platform : Win32, System : Windows XP,

How do I get rid of the title bar?

You would need to disable the menu.

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

Thanks - that seemed to work. If i want to put it back one day - what is that toolbar called?

Shouldn't "show hidden toolbars while customizing" work to click on it and enable it again?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Shouldn't "show hidden toolbars while customizing" work to click on it and enable it again?

Yes. That is the way to put it back later. Note that you have to click again on the page bar head or page bar tail bars to select them (you will see a selection rectangle around them) otherwise you're selecting the page bar.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by osolomio:

So running - Version :10.51, Build : 3315, Platform : Win32, System : Windows XP,

How do I get rid of the title bar?

You would need to disable the menu.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

You would need to disable the menu

Hope we're talking about the same thing "Title Bar" is the bar with the 3 icons,window restore,window close, window minimize at the extreme right, and on extreme right normally program icon followed by title of currently active window.

Originally posted by osolomio:

Hope we're talking about the same thing

That's right — if the menu bar is enabled, so is the Title bar. The only tool bar that can overlay the title bar is the page bar a.k.a. the tab bar. If any other toolbars are enabled at the top, that doesn't work.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Put the windows task bar at the top. The bottom is a silly place to put it. Every other click one does is at the top where an applications menus are, and where the windows title bar is. The bottom is the right place for the status bar, which is only for reading — there is no need to click there at all.

I respectfully disagree. How often does one click "file" in a browser? Rarely, hence the big "O" in the first place. Short of back arrow there's little else i click up high (and i don't use that - i use the mouse). But you have a point in the other bit of info - maybe i should move the navigation to the bottom also. Status bar takes up too much space for it's value. I might return it to popup only when needed.

Thanks for the other info.

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

I might return it to popup only when needed.

That does not actually work. (though you'd expect it to). Try the Chrome status bar CSS file instead.

Originally posted by Pesala:

The bottom is the right place for the status bar, which is only for reading — there is no need to click there at all.

Where do you have your OSes task bar then?

Originally posted by RecusantPhysis:

How often does one click "file" in a browser?

Not often at all, though the Preferences and Print options are on the file menu. But the bookmarks menu is also on the main menu, and that is certainly used a lot by anyone who uses the main menu at all (I turned it off long ago and now have it on the O button, which is also at the top).

Originally posted by Zotlan:

Where do you have your OSes task bar then?

At the top, as I said earlier. Because most mouse movement is already at the top of the window to select from menus, click tabs, close the application, browse pages, it makes sense to keep the task bar at the top too. I keep it on autohide. Try it for a while, or if you have a widescreen monitor try it on the left or right.

For the same reason, I keep the panels on the right because the scroll bar is on the right, and that's the side where the mouse is more often than on the left.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Try it for a while, or if you have a widescreen monitor try it on the left or right.

I have, it popped up by accident too many times while i was trying to drag windows. I rarely use it these days anyway, there's better* ways on linux.

*better for my tastes/habits that is, you might not agree.

Originally posted by Pesala:

Originally posted by osolomio:

Hope we're talking about the same thing

That's right — if the menu bar is enabled, so is the Title bar. The only tool bar that can overlay the title bar is the page bar a.k.a. the tab bar. If any other toolbars are enabled at the top, that doesn't work.

I don't have the "Menu Bar" enabled, just the "Big O" with Menu drop-down, at the left end of of the page/tab bar, but my Title Bar is still there. Now there used to be various flavours of "Full Scrren" mode, if I can find them now, I could use, "full screen + page bar +address bar"

The other factor, of course, is the skin. The title bar won't hide with the Windows native skin, or with old skins.

Thanks for clearing that up, have a small screen at the moment and been trying different skins, ones with smaller/narrower tool-bars. Is it just a matter of trial and error finding a skin that will override the title bar, or will it say 10.10, 10.50 or 10.51 compatible?

Originally posted by Pesala:

Not often at all, though the Preferences and Print options are on the file menu. But the bookmarks menu is also on the main menu, and that is certainly used a lot by anyone who uses the main menu at all (I turned it off long ago and now have it on the O button, which is also at the top).

What's great is how everyone has it different (it's what we love about Opera).

Once my prefs are set up, i rarely go in there. And when i do i usually alt-p

My Bookmarks/transfers/widgets etc are on a side bar - i don't need to click near the top. Anywhere along the far left of the screen brings up all my bits. Then, yes, to choose between bookmarks or whatever it's nearer the top, but again that doesn't get used much.

Originally posted by Pesala:

The other factor, of course, is the skin. The title bar won't hide with the Windows native skin, or with old skins.

After a bit more searching the determining factor for my "Title Bar" presence was that in, Window>System>Display Properties, - I was using the "Classic Theme and

See here

You have to use Opera Standard skin and Windows XP theme.

If you plan to remove the "O" menu right click it -> customize-> go to appearance-> then locate placement, and set it to oFF.

The "O" Menu keeps coming back on new sessions to prevent it from being removed by mistake.