Page Up/Page Down in Mini 5

Page Up/Page Down in Mini 5

Hello!
Just moved to Mini 5 from 4.
Where did these ritght/left shortcuts which meant page up/page down went in Mini 5?!

I don't want the cursor in mobile view mode, i want to be able to scroll with left and right key and select link with up and down as I used for several years until now.
Why was it changed?! Haven't found anything in the menu to deal with it.

And also, how can i turn off "effects" like smooth scrolling? No such thing in the menu. I suppose it cant be turned off as well as left\right = page up\down.

Hell, why change things people got used to for many years?!?!

Its progress after extensive user research.

You have to see the difference between progress and stupid mistakes that make it harder to use the application.

Text typing also changed in 5. Slightly, but it really matters. I cant type it as quickly as before.

Its a clear usability mistakes.

Originally posted by Shamusspb:

Hello!
Just moved to Mini 5 from 4.
Where did these ritght/left shortcuts which meant page up/page down went in Mini 5?!

I don't want the cursor in mobile view mode, i want to be able to scroll with left and right key and select link with up and down as I used for several years until now.
Why was it changed?! Haven't found anything in the menu to deal with it.

+1

Be fair guys, at least the 2 and 8 keys still work for scrolling by pages. Given how OM5 works (by having a zoomed out view, then pressing the enter key to zoom in, it makes sense for the left/right keys to move the cursor, akin to the mouse in a desktop browser).

The numeric keys 2,4,5,8 still pull their duty as page up/down/left/right....a functionality that touch only phones don't have. Is it that hard to press 2/8 instead of the arrow keys? It's a small price to pay for progress. If you really can't stand it, OM4.2 is always there.

I think you are slightly out of topic. First of all you are talking about overview mode, which was available in previous versions, so there is NO progress at all.
Secondly, WHY on Earth do I have to change my habits? In sake of what? Why not leave an option for good-old navigation?
Thirdly, I, for example, have Nokia E66 - which is a slider. So i must slide it down every time, to access numeric keys. Very annoying and stupid.

I've got used to this way of scrolling now. At first I was annoyed at the change, but now i find it lot more user friendly. No-one likes change, but the cursor/scroll issue actually makes more sense this way round. Imo anyway.

I think there must be a choice, an option. I know whats best for me and I want it back.

Thankfully, it will never be an option, for the selfish people like you, who wants the whole world to revolve around them.

Have fun not being able to scroll pages using the directional keys.

p9719756, you again... Remember, what I told you last time? Think about it:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=4832251

Originally posted by PotworJaworny:

p9719756, you again... Remember, what I told you last time? Think about it:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/findpost.pl?id=4832251

Yes, rude spoilt brat. I remember your useless words, and your inability to do anything constructive. Thanks for reminding me.

I'm not going to impede progress of Opera Mini just because some like things to stay stagnant just for themselves. You are one of them I guess?

Originally posted by p9719756:

Yes, rude spoilt brat.

Attack the topic,not the user.

Originally posted by Chinu92:

Originally posted by p9719756:

Yes, rude spoilt brat.

Attack the topic,not the user.

Forgive me...it's hard to attack the topic when someone obviously holds a grudge against you for another matter.

Maybe those with such complaints above should consider using a keypad mapper that maps keys 2/8 to the left/right keys. Those do exist for S60v3 iirc.

Again I say, because of how OM5 works zoomed in, the left/right keys move the cursor instead of page up/down. It's nothing personal from Opera, it's just a needed change due to the market segment that OM5 is catering to : the touchscreen crowd.

Thanks god we are here not to convince people like p97...bla-bla-bla.
I hope one of the devs gonna read the topic.

They will read it, and there's nothing they can do to change it. Have fun waiting.

Man, what touch screens are u talking about? They are much less then 25% of users of OM! What i am trying to tell you for many times already, that, ok, leave overview mode with cursor for these 15% with touch screens by default. But leave an option, somewhere deep in the menu, for the rest of the world, to use the "old" navigation! Can u undertand it? Or u keep repeating "progress" all the time? Do u at least know what "usability" is?

I bet in future versions they will add this options and we will return to this post!

That's exactly what OM4.2 is for.

And it's not overview mode, it's the zoomed in mode that makes the directional keys for moving the cursor the ideal choice. It's not Opera's fault that your 2/8 keys are hidden in a slide, at least they left the option to use the 2/8 keys. Don't you understand that?

The usability is perfectly fine. It's for your own personal needs that usability is wrong. For people without their 2/8 keys hidden, they have no usability issues.

I bet they will never add this option. We will see.

Yeah, 5 years it was left\right and you honestly believed it was exactly right and now they made a mistake and left only 4\6 and you are telling us this is the Holy Truth. Don't be so blind!

I tell you a story. 3 years ago we discussed some business issues with Opera software (Kai Leppanen if I remember right). And i told them to let the users have an OPTIONS to set permametnly full screen mode (without header and status bars) so users will not have to switch it on every time OM starts. I was told, just like you, that it was better because of their research of usability.
After a year or so they implemented this option in the following version of OM and, thanks god, it is there now. So their "research" is crap.

It's not a matter of right or wrong, but what is more suitable.

When a page is loaded that doesn't fit the width of the screen exactly, do you expect the left/right keys to move the cursor or scroll the page up/down? It's just simple logic.

OM5 is made to emulate a touchscreen browser in a server processed format. That's why it's done this way. That's why the numeric keys still do the page scrolling, while the directional keys do the cursor movement. Simple as that. If they do it the way you want i.e. the directional keys do page up/down/left/right and the numeric keys move the cursor, people would be asking why the interface is so unintuitive?

This is nothing personal...I'm just trying to explain to you why they did it the way they did. This isn't about usability. It's about what suits the situation more.

And calling their research "crap" isn't exactly a good way to persuade them to change things to suit your way.

Opera has unique technology to fit MOST of the pages width to user's screen in one column to scroll ONLY up and down. And this is their great know how. Now you are telling us it is useless and we must be happy to crawl a page left, right, up and down as with all other less advanced browsers?! Very funny, man!



By the way, I'll reveal you a secret: OM is java based and is oriented to mostly LOW end phones which come WITHOUT touch screens (most of them). I know, there's Android version, but it's share in OM userbase is extreemley low.

Sorry, but I am personal and i think it is useless to explain to you every time, you just dont understand things.

Sadly, for all that you understand, you just won't be able to understand that they won't pander to your request. Have fun ranting here, it will never work as you wish.

Best of luck in waiting for nothing.

Originally posted by p9719756:

Sadly, for all that you understand, you just won't be able to understand that they won't pander to your request. Have fun ranting here, it will never work as you wish.

Best of luck in waiting for nothing.

Why?

Do not feed the P1234 troll.

Originally posted by PotworJaworny:

Do not feed the P1234 troll.

Yes, rude ignorant man, we will not feed you.

I can kind of understand where the Original Poster is coming from.

I have a dual slider Samsung Exclaim (SPH-M550). And when I have the phone in landscape (keyboard out) I can't use the number pad to quick scroll. Either you have the Number Pad out, or the Keyboard, you can't have both out simultaneously. So, I usually use the number pad to scroll in portrait because it's quicker. But then if I want to type an url or type a post or message, it's much easier and less annoying to use the keyboard, so I have to slide the number pad in, then the keyboard out.

The only keys on the keyboard that are recognized by the browser are the directional arrows, ok(enter), back, and the 2 soft keys, so I have to use fullscreen editing (good thing it's an option!). Inline editing is ok with the number pad but, it's only ABC and not T9 when done that way.

However, with all of that said, I find that the on screen pointer actually quicker than the way it was before because I don't have to tap through all the visible "in-frame" links on the page to get to the one I really want to click on.