Who's god?

Who's god?

God died for d world?

Welcome to D&D tcake!

You will notice when time goes on that a topic on God is... somehow, interesting! Don't be amazed by the replies you will recieve, but don't be aggravated!
Nice to know you.

Nice to know u too tizz.can't wait to sample som minds

Jaybro is god. He said so, or are you calling god a liar?

It was a joke about Nietzsche. He said that God is died. After Nietzsche died, the depeshe had come: "Nietzsche died. God."

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

Please be more specific about your deity.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian god, Yahweh?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian god, Yahweh?

Nah, he's probably talking about Ymir - after all, the world was made from his body. Or maybe it's Cipactli. On the other hand, Ymir was a frost giant and Cipactli was a sea monster - not exactly gods so it must be Tiamat.

Still think it should be ... What's God?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Nah, he's probably talking about Ymir - after all, the world was made from his body. Or maybe it's Cipactli. On the other hand, Ymir was a frost giant and Cipactli was a sea monster - not exactly gods so it must be Tiamat.

Nah... its Makemake for sure. The god from Easter Island culture.
If I can remember well the story, he was sleeping then got awake. Having nothing to do, he started catching his own lice. He took one louse and made Men.
Simple and clear.

Nope, sorry, it was 4f - see here.

Hell, if in doubt, use what Jews, Christians (namely Catholics) and Muslims do: employ Bi-la kaifa.

What was the question again?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hell, if in doubt, use what Jews, Christians (namely Catholics) and Muslims do: employ Bi-la kaifa.

I am a strong supporter of the Fremen people. Muad'Dib will crush the Bene Gesserit and their nasty tricks. Bi-la kaifa!

I can get you one of these!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Hell, if in doubt, use what Jews, Christians (namely Catholics) and Muslims do: employ Bi-la kaifa.

Is that the same as pressing the off button in the brain?

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I can get you one of these!

Haha, awesome.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Jaybro:

I can get you one of these!

Haha, awesome.

It's in the mail! I sent it to Frenzie, Belgium. You'll probably get it in about a week.

Originally posted by string:

Is that the same as pressing the off button in the brain?

That's exactly what it is.
It means "without asking how".

The I must recommend that you keep your brain firmly on when you to your exotic travels - is it still to be Liverpool? Stay away from Irish Bars (like you would!)

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

God died for d world?

What a hornets nest to be stirred up, looks like we are in for some fun!

Originally posted by Frenzie:

I am a strong supporter of the Fremen people. Muad'Dib will crush the Bene Gesserit and their nasty tricks. Bi-la kaifa!

quite a book and movie, there is some talk about a remake

Originally posted by grysmn:

quite a book and movie, there is some talk about a remake

I hope they don't mess it up.

god is jehovah...........meaning causes to becom

who is jehovah?

The demon who created the world as a prison for the soul? Or the volcano, perhaps?

Originally posted by Immanis:

who is jehovah?

His Witnesses are a royal pain in the arse.

D&d is quite a jokes these days. How you guys manage to keep up this circles of recycled ideas is baffling...

Who's god?


George Burns.

Sounds like a funny comedy sketch... pope with Alzheimer's.

God is the Supreme Creator of all that has been, is now, or will ever be. He is the Father of His children, the ruler of Heaven, and the Alpha and Omega. His is my Dad, and I love Him. God is love. God lives today. He is that i AM.

Originally posted by mykybudman:

God is the Supreme Creator of all that has been

No it isn't. It didn't create me.

Great video exposing the problem with Pascal's Wager:

Originally posted by mykybudman:

God is the Supreme Creator of all that has been, is now, or will ever be.

Feel free to prove it.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by mykybudman:

God is the Supreme Creator of all that has been, is now, or will ever be.

Feel free to prove it.

dawg, please ... it's in the bible ... we've been over this how many times already?

Originally posted by NoobSaibot:

we've been over this how many times already?

Far too many times of course.
Only 3 or 4 have ever taken up the offer, but I await the new proponent irregardless.

it is enough to detect whom is the god , when you sence ,thinking and when you feel that you heart rhythim active since you have born until now withou stop , this is why the god doesn't need definition and spacific name .

Originally posted by MARTINOOV:

it is enough to detect whom is the god , when you sence ,thinking and when you feel that you heart rhythim active since you have born until now withou stop

I am God!!!

Originally posted by MARTINOOV:

this is why the god doesn't need definition and spacific name .

I'm guessing your deity is the filicidal Yahweh?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by MARTINOOV:

it is enough to detect whom is the god , when you sence ,thinking and when you feel that you heart rhythim active since you have born until now withou stop

I am God!!!

Everyone is. I posted a proof of that a few years ago

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by MARTINOOV:

this is why the god doesn't need definition and spacific name .

I'm guessing your deity is the filicidal Yahweh?

Translation: "keep it vague so I can make up whatever the hell I want"

Originally posted by Macallan:

Everyone is. I posted a proof of that a few years ago

Yep.
Unfortunately Jaybro beat everyone to the punch to claim the god title on here.
(For Martinoov's info. You (Mac) know this of course.)

Originally posted by Macallan:

Translation: "keep it vague so I can make up whatever the hell I want"

Quite right.
I wait for Martinoov to prove to me that the deity he/she is talking about isn't the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Now, let me try to answer this....a...hem...lets c.....who is god?...aaahh...yep got it!!...god is me!, becoz he made me in his image...does that answer your question...

hi .GOD who create all the world.in ths world every thing ned a creater then think how the world z create.
that iz God ALLAH the most merciful and mighty.md

Originally posted by MuhammadDanish:

hi .GOD who create all the world.in ths world every thing ned a creater then think how the world z create.

Obviously you're talking about the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Otherwise, the only things that we actually know to be created were created by humans and a few animals. Compared to the rest of the universe that's a tiny, tiny fraction of what we know to exist, heck, even compared to our own planet it's a tiny fraction. Now how on earth do you hope to defend a generalization from that?

Originally posted by MuhammadDanish:

that iz God ALLAH the most merciful and mighty.md

May He have mercy on us and give you a spell checker.

My god created your god.

I created Jaybro's god, and further than that I will not reveal.

Originally posted by OnetimePoster:

I created Jaybro's god, and further than that I will not reveal.

Not even under Inquisitorial torture? Are you sure?
Yes, you will. They all do.

Originally posted by MARTINOOV:

it is enough to detect whom is the god , when you sence ,thinking and when you feel that you heart rhythim active since you have born until now withou stop , this is why the god doesn't need definition and spacific name .

That... is a mind-numbingly epic fail. My handy-dandy logic detector kit stopped working mid-sentence.

Tsktsktsk, you don't bring a bullshit detector anywhere near a thread with 'god' in its title unless you want it to explode.

I recently had to read this book for a report I had to give in one of my classes. It's an interesting read.
It's called Abraham's Curse and is written by Bruce Chilton.
http://books.google.com/books?id=2e8GaESha2kC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Abraham%27s+curse+bruce+chilton&source=bl&ots=ujyvCzNhIE&sig=WYXGn4c1IilWzBwkWFk-0Hfn8-Q&hl=en&ei=Ut_VS7PeBo7C8wShm6HBDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false

you asked who Jehovah IS.............he's God(in Hebrew translation jEHOVAH IS is YHWH)

JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT GOD'S SON AND GOD DID NOT DIE FOR THE WORLD JESUS DID.............DAAAAAAAA

We're all hemorrhoids up God's ass; no wonder He's such a mean, nasty, psychopathic mudduhfugguh. Well, you would be that too if you had nearly 7 billion hemorrhoids up your bum.

Originally posted by ganjaji:

We're all hemorrhoids up God's ass; no wonder He's such a mean, nasty, psychopathic mudduhfugguh. Well, you would be that too if you had nearly 7 billion hemorrhoids up your bum.

Haemorrhoids that grow like crazy and spread other diseases as well

Originally posted by lindiwekantulu:

GOD DID NOT DIE FOR THE WORLD JESUS DID.

Do feel free to prove it at any time.

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

Just as d is as many orses eds as orses asses d is as many gods as atheists.

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

The world's most popular imaginary friend?

This god?

This god?

That's fairly visible for something invisible.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

That's fairly visible for something invisible.

His God..., he thinks or maybe hopes

Sillies, the fact that it's invisible and yet you can clearly see it is a test of your faith.

Actualy the Great Invisible Pink One (tm) is founded in science and faith: Science - that states that she must be invisible, since we cannot see her, unless we actually see her. Faith - because we know in our heart that the invisible pink unicorn exists.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Sillies, the fact that it's invisible and yet you can clearly see it is a test of your faith.

Actualy the Great Invisible Pink One (tm) is founded in science and faith: Science - that states that she must be invisible, since we cannot see her, unless we actually see her. Faith - because we know in our heart that the invisible pink unicorn exists.

"now, whad I sa"

yu guyz are crazy................(Antichrist)

Originally posted by lindiwekantulu:

yu guyz are crazy................(Antichrist)

No,you are the crazy babe.An antipeace;just like your God.Selfishly calling Abraham and allowing him to give rise to the three confusions of the world(christianity,judaism and Islam)Imagine the jos mayhem in Nigeria,the 9/11 attack,the London attack and other world antipeace activities;they are all the handiwork of your nonexisting God(it is the delusion of his existence that is giving rise to all that) Imagine the world without religion!!!!!!! Though if he exist(i am not saying he does) he'd better stop hiding behind the clouds before Jaybro tears it down out of jealous:lol:

It is better to believe in our God than to be like body without head.
Eg scientists&technologists once said year 2000 it will be end of life.and myself as a believer in God,atleast i can refer that God never mentioned dates about end of life.

Originally posted by Billymish:

It is better to believe in our God than to be like body without head.

Eg scientists&technologists once said year 2000 it will be end of life.and myself as a believer in God,atleast i can refer that God never mentioned dates about end of life.

when and who (of the scientists or technologists) did say that? i truly hope you don't consider some sects (which claimed the year 2000 to be the end) to be scientific!

you seem to be comfortable to be left completely uncertain as to what will/could happen and when or to whom or where, as the whole holy book(s) is/are written in a way that leaves a lot of ways to interpret the holy text. i think it's kind of "cover your ass" tactics. at least the dude isn't all that stupid

Originally posted by Billymish:

It is better to believe in our God than to be like body without head.

You are echoing the sentiments of your deity, Yahweh. You use a scare tactic, much like he used his malevolent smiting, genocide, etc.

Originally posted by Billymish:

tleast i can refer that God never mentioned dates about end of life.

Yeah, because he is a sadistical bugger. Please call him by his proper name, Yahweh.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Yeah, because he is a sadistical bugger. Please call him by his proper name, Yahweh.

He is? I thought you proclaim to be Atheist ?

I noticed that some of you just point out the the unkind things attributed to God as though they are truth... But no mentions of the good things that are also spoken of him.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

He is?

Yes, Haven't you read his published works?

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

I thought you proclaim to be Atheist ?

Correct.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

I noticed that some of you just point out the the unkind things attributed to God as though they are truth... But no mentions of the good things that are also spoken of him.

And the answer to that is simple my friend, the (for lack of a better word) "evil" things that Yahweh apparently did throughout all of the OT and a good deal of the NT far outweigh the "good" that old Yahweh apparently set into motion.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

And the answer to that is simple my friend, the (for lack of a better word) "evil" things that Yahweh apparently did throughout all of the OT and a good deal of the NT far outweigh the "good" that old Yahweh apparently set into motion.

and you accept this as Fact?

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

and you accept this as Fact?

When dealing with ancient literature such as the bible, I accept it as a historical work that is very similar to The Illiad and the Odyssey.
In other words, none of it is true, but it is an interesting read.
More interesting I think is the fact that unlike the Illiad and the Odyssey, the bible, qur'an and torah have millions of followers blindly accepting the works as indisputable fact. I would go so far as to say that 85% of all believers of the "Big Three" religions have never read their god's "word" in it's entirety. If they did, there would be a massive increase in the # of atheists in the world.
Instead, cherry-picking verses is so much more convenient.

why d

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

. I would go so far as to say that 85% of all believers of the "Big Three" religions have never read their god's "word" in it's entirety.

"and this bothers you? Perhaps they find their truth in those words."


If they did, there would be a massive increase in the # of atheists in the world. " width="43" height="17">

"And you need others to confirm your lack of belief?"

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"Yes there is alot of Cherry picking goings on.. I Most enjoy Prunus avium."

God is a girl..

Originally posted by Billymish:

It is better to believe in our God than to be like body without head.

What on earth has that to do with your imaginary friend?

Originally posted by Billymish:

Eg scientists&technologists once said year 2000 it will be end of life.

Huh? Examples and sources please. I have no idea where you got that nonsense.

Originally posted by Billymish:

and myself as a believer in God,atleast i can refer that God never mentioned dates about end of life.

Of course not, imaginary friends rarely do anything at all
I don't know in which parallel universe you live but around here the doomsday prophecy market is overrun by religious types.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Yeah, because he is a sadistical bugger. Please call him by his proper name, Yahweh.

He is? I thought you proclaim to be Atheist ?

Of course fictional beings can be sadists without ceasing to be fictional. Think of movie characters and such.

Originally posted by MAXXTHRUST:

I noticed that some of you just point out the the unkind things attributed to God as though they are truth... But no mentions of the good things that are also spoken of him.

What good things?

Originally posted by Macallan:

What good things?

Granny Smith apples?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

What good things?

Granny Smith apples?

Granny Smith is god?

I imagine they're at least related to God. Maybe they're his eggs and that's why he doesn't want us to eat them.

granny smith eggs?

Originally posted by Frenzie:

I imagine they're at least related to God. Maybe they're his eggs and that's why he doesn't want us to eat them.

Maybe they're his nuts - now that would explain why he wouldn't want anyone to bite into them

well, i was kinda assuming that frenzie meant his nuts ... isn't it the same (as in german "eier", "nüsse"?)

Exactly. Does that mean Grumpy Old Yahweh is actually teabagging pretty much everyone?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Does that mean Grumpy Old Yahweh is actually teabagging pretty much everyone?

Well, the CCC that makes up the Teabaggers have always said that "God" (why people can't be arsed to call him by his proper name) is always on their side, so....

God is everything u will ever need...He is the Father,Creator of Heaven and Earth and the One who sustains the Universe.He is Jehova,the I am and that I am

Originally posted by Lizzzy200:

God is everything u will ever need...He is the Father,Creator of Heaven and Earth and the One who sustains the Universe.He is Jehova,the I am and that I am

The Way, The Truth and The Life.

He is also misunderstood by many, his word mistranslated and misunderstood.

Yes, it's funny how most people who don't believe as you do are like that. Almost as if they believe in something which isn't tied to reality in any way, shape or form. Something they could literally dream up out of thin air and modify it to whatever their heart desires. Why, if they did that, there would be as many different beliefs as there are cultures! More, even.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

Please be more specific about your deity.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian god, Yahweh?

Yah weh you missed Allah jugodalo

Originally posted by Lizzzy200:

God is everything u will ever need...He is the Father,Creator of Heaven and Earth and the One who sustains the Universe.He is Jehova,the

I am and that I am

אהיה אשר אהיה‎, pronounced Ehyeh asher ehyeh
I am and that I am

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

Please be more specific about your deity.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian god, Yahweh?

Yah weh you missed Allah jugodalo

Seeing as how they are one and the same anyway, why not just call the bugger Yallah?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?

Please be more specific about your deity.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Are you talking about the Judeo-Christian god, Yahweh?

Yah weh you missed Allah jugodalo

Seeing as how they are one and the same anyway, why not just call the bugger Yallah?

Go where ????
Imshi Yallah

God?He is the fucking tyrant who keeps hiding behind the clouds.

God doesn't hide, he's always The Father, The Word/knowledge/Son, The Holy Ghost. Even though, no human has seen God's face because he's so powerful that one look of his face is overwhelming....God does not hide, he's just waiting for acknowledgement. ^_^

Originally posted by keloda:

God?He is the fucking tyrant who keeps hiding behind the clouds.

Then lets hope its a clear day soon

Originally posted by RekaG:

God doesn't hide, he's always The Father, The Word/knowledge/Son, The Holy Ghost.

Quite amazing that he can be all that and that he doesn't smite people down anymore.
Please elaborate on the Trinity.

Originally posted by RekaG:

Even though, no human has seen God's face because he's so powerful that one look of his face is overwhelming....

The ultimate example of a cop-out.
(Or it could be that he doesn't exist?)

Originally posted by RekaG:

God does not hide, he's just waiting for acknowledgement. ^_^

Well then, he can get in line with Thor, Odin, Zeus, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, and Jaygod.

Originally posted by RekaG:

God does not hide, he's just waiting for acknowledgement. ^_^

hi guys..... God is exist even all the human beings, all trees, animal and all universe destroyed.... everything will be finished but God is exist and will always be exist.... who create us when there was nothing on earth.... no sky and nothing in the sky.... God create the earth and sky within 7 days.... We have to create again after our death..... we have to reply our deeds and if our deeds are good we will gifted as paradise and wrong or sinful life, hell is waiting...

Originally posted by handsomekhan:

God create the earth and sky within 7 days

Prove it.... whoops! you can't.

Originally posted by handsomekhan:

hi guys..... God is exist even all the human beings, all trees, animal and all universe destroyed.... everything will be finished but God is exist and will always be exist.... who create us when there was nothing on earth.... no sky and nothing in the sky.... God create the earth and sky within 7 days.... We have to create again after our death..... we have to reply our deeds and if our deeds are good we will gifted as paradise and wrong or sinful life, hell is waiting...

A ridiculous string of assertions for which the 'God' character is easily replaceable with any other deity.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Have you no opinion of your own? or do you always ask vague pointless questions? trying to look smart? try reading the other threads and posting in them BEFORE you make you own "been done" topic.

Originally posted by lindiwekantulu:

JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT GOD'S SON AND GOD DID NOT DIE FOR THE WORLD JESUS DID.............DAAAAAAAA

It depends on who you ask...

Originally posted by mykybudman:

God is the Supreme Creator of all that has been, is now, or will ever be. He is the Father of His children, the ruler of Heaven, and the Alpha and Omega. His is my Dad, and I love Him. God is love. God lives today. He is that i AM.

...as you can see he seems to be many things and nothing all at the same time. If he was here we wouldn't need to debate what, who or how he is.
so i ask...

Why no God?

God is owner of the earth,sky,living or non living things.he is the creator of the whole universe

Originally posted by Ward:

Originally posted by handsomekhan:

hi guys..... God is exist even all the human beings, all trees, animal and all universe destroyed.... everything will be finished but God is exist and will always be exist.... who create us when there was nothing on earth.... no sky and nothing in the sky.... God create the earth and sky within 7 days.... We have to create again after our death..... we have to reply our deeds and if our deeds are good we will gifted as paradise and wrong or sinful life, hell is waiting...

A ridiculous string of assertions for which the 'God' character is easily replaceable with any other deity.

I do my best

Re the thread - it seems to be a matter of avoidance, the little question about the number of Gods around. I've yet to read anything remotely plausible about how a religion comes to terms with the fact that people worship different gods in different parts of the world. The "God works in mysterious ways" argument is an avoidance at best.

Were all religious rules (like wear this, eat that, don't do this but do that) identical in each religion one could assume that there were some guiding hand behind all these religions; instead we get implausible fairy tales upon implausible inventions and rules which extend from the restating of polite behaviour to the downright murderous.

It's not enough either for one religion to claim that only their's is the true faith for this implies that a little geographical area is the only area blessed with such divine insight, the other parts of the world having clearly been ignored by their great deity for millennium and left to their own devices OR, most probably, not left at all because there is no god around to leave anything.

Dear Brother String,

A noted cosmologist has recently proposed the following:
"Paul Steinhardt, of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, thinks he has a solution to the problem. He has found a way to slow the rate of inflation by allowing the strength of gravity to vary in a way which is linked to the expansion rate itself."

Obviously, if gravity can vary over time, so can religious beliefs, as well as the nature of the gods. And it only gets worse when you add in the imprecise nature of believers. Therein lies the largest part of the problem.

Your personal Deity,
Jaybro

Originally posted by probafix:

God is owner of the earth,sky,living or non living things.he is the creator of the whole universe

... and exists in your head only, although many others have their own.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Perhaps, but not for the a, b, c, and e worlds.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

Perhaps, but not for the a, b, c, and e worlds.

Proof it. (thanks, atheists)

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Proof it. (thanks, atheists)

You are getting the general idea, now for the details, we should assume he was still alive when he made that post (not that being alive is strictly necessary to post in D&D, we had plenty of zombies a while back), but remember the idea behind Occam's razor: you show him the razor in a dark alley and he will be most agreeable to whatever your opinion is. Thats it, unless in his smartarsismomniscience he decides to carry something of greater caliber and and make you listen to his opinion instead.

God is our (human) ignorant side.

OM GOD. This thread is leading to nowhere

Originally posted by tcake:

Who's god?
God died for d world?

We don't have much to go off of...

We can know the God just through the universe he created, not by our misleading imagination and limited reasoning. God has no resemblance with his creatures just as we dont have any with our artworks

OM GOD. This thread is leading to nowhere

Yes. This could go on for some time.

God is the one that has no weakness. Having a child or a partner, dying.. These are all our weaknesses.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

God is the one that has no weakness. Having a child or a partner, dying.. These are all our weaknesses.

Yep...

I died a couple of days ago, and immediately regretted it.

Originally posted by tcake:

God died for d world?

d means "the"? in other words this world, Earth?

There are a lot of worlds out there, no doubt with enough sentients (billions?) on them to keep God dying full time.

No wonder He has not been seen recently here on Earth.

God sit on his own place, earth just tiny planet in vast universe

Originally posted by db84x:

God sit on his own place, earth just tiny planet in vast universe

think of that all on ur own, did ya?

Originally posted by db84x:

God sit on his own place, earth just tiny planet in vast universe

Did he start out as a mormon? That would explain a few things

The God is the one who has no weaknesses as we have. So dying, relaxing, needing a partner... All these are our attributes. God is away from these... And certainly must be.

Some simple facts for the atheists in HERE to consider:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

3. Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestial?

For the atheists on this site... you aren't as smart as many believers... you do MUCH LESS good for the world... and you have practically no influence (and you're typically very rude).... so who cares what you have to say? Who cares if you think you are right about your beliefs (or lack thereof)? Who are you (personally) that we should even pay you any attention?

Originally posted by saidaltin:

The God is the one who has no weaknesses as we have. So dying, relaxing, needing a partner... All these are our attributes. God is away from these... And certainly must be.

And actually existing is another attribute we have but which he lacks

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Some simple facts for the atheists in HERE to consider:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

Well, why don't these oh-so-intelligent believers show up, make a decent case for their beliefs and be done with it?
Quite obviously, you're not one of them or you'd be able to come up with something better than three variants of the same logical fallacy.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

You have no idea what any of us do or don't do so this is a baseless assertion at best.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

3. Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestial?

Some of the most influential people in history have also been complete monsters. What exactly is your point again?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

For the atheists on this site... you aren't as smart as many believers... you do MUCH LESS good for the world... and you have practically no influence (and you're typically very rude).... so who cares what you have to say? Who cares if you think you are right about your beliefs (or lack thereof)? Who are you (personally) that we should even pay you any attention?

Oh dear, I'm afraid the irony of this statement of yours will fly a few miles above your head

Well, why don't these oh-so-intelligent believers show up, make a decent case for their beliefs and be done with it?
Quite obviously, you're not one of them or you'd be able to come up with something better than three variants of the same logical fallacy.

Is it really a mystery to you? Perhaps these people you refer to have better things to do with their time (like work) - Internet debates of this nature are typically for the less mature and/or for people that have too much time on their hands....

Yes, you could make the obvious come back i.e. "well, why are you here then" ... that would be a valid point. A moment of weakness caused me to chime in... I'll now bow out of this foolishness and let the children go back to their silly "I know more than you" games....

Originally posted by j.leigh:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

And far many believers dumber than mud. Non-believers have nothing to prove. Believers? I guess it's up to them.

Originally posted by Jaybro:

Originally posted by j.leigh:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

And far many believers dumber than mud. Non-believers have nothing to prove. Believers? I guess it's up to them.

Yup, that's right, Jaybro, I applaud your restraint. What can I add but that many of some of the others are muddier than some of the many others.

Of course if wanted to be really banal, I would have written some of the words in CAPITAL letters, or maybe many of them, or maybe .... oh never mind.

One should not confuse intelligence and religion, it's asking for trouble.

One could also remark that many Christians are more polite than some, but lacking the CAPITAL letters maybe that lacks a punch.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

Because we don't have voices speaking inside our heads. Bundy and numerous others had voices inside their heads. Enjoy being in the same category as that d-bag.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

You call wanting to die "good"?
You call wanting a religious war "good"?
You call being a hypocrite 24/7, 365 days a year "good"?
You call believing in a deity who has apparently wiped out over 2 billion people that he supposedly "loved", "good"?

Have a look at this, thou arrogant hypocrite:

Dawg - I was redirected when I watched that video to u-tube and there was a link to a video called "Religious Child Abuse and Brainwashing".

It was horrific and I could not watch more than a half minute or so.

Really scary.

Originally posted by string:

Dawg - I was redirected when I watched that video to u-tube and there was a link to a video called "Religious Child Abuse and Brainwashing".

It was horrific and I could not watch more than a half minute or so.

Really scary.

Really?
Well damn! Still, just goes to show how religion as advocated by this new poster is certainly not "good" as he/she has suggested.
That's the good thing about this subject, you can't go wrong when pointing out how it isn't "good".

(I'll try to fix it)

Edit: For some reason, YouTube refuses to let me post what I wanted to. Oh well. Sorry all.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Well, why don't these oh-so-intelligent believers show up, make a decent case for their beliefs and be done with it?
Quite obviously, you're not one of them or you'd be able to come up with something better than three variants of the same logical fallacy.

Is it really a mystery to you?

Nope, it's not. You simply made them up.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Perhaps these people you refer to have better things to do with their time (like work) - Internet debates of this nature are typically for the less mature and/or for people that have too much time on their hands....

In other words, they can't make a good case for it. And neither can you.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Yes, you could make the obvious come back i.e. "well, why are you here then" ... that would be a valid point. A moment of weakness caused me to chime in... I'll now bow out of this foolishness and let the children go back to their silly "I know more than you" games....

Yup, now you admit it yourself - nonsense and wild, unsupportable claims pulled out of your rear end are all you have.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Some simple facts for the atheists in HERE to consider:
1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?
2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?
3. Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestial?
For the atheists on this site... you aren't as smart as many believers... you do MUCH LESS good for the world... and you have practically no influence (and you're typically very rude).... so who cares what you have to say? Who cares if you think you are right about your beliefs (or lack thereof)? Who are you (personally) that we should even pay you any attention?

1.) There are many non-believers smarter than me, I'll accept that too... The problem is the reason we don't believe is because we are prolly "smarter". We actually (in most cases) studied the evidence and that lead us to reevaluate our beliefs.
2.) there are many more believers who do more "bad" than me too. - question is why are you so arrogant? I'll show you my evidence, show me yours.
3.) Are you citing precedence as evidence? and maybe that's cause in the past the church just burned us alive. Much more to advance understanding had to be done behind the churches back than in it's walls... also prove I do less, I'll bet after you compare me to you, you'll find you don't do enough. Anyone can speculate but if you're trying to look smart, try knowing you're doing it. Personally, I don't care if you pay me attention or not. a better question is why are you so emotionally hurt by something no one even said to you?

and before you say your not look at the words you ridiculously caps locked and how you did it...

HERE <~~~ this is an attack. so your point is so weak you hope to hurt our feelings. what's hypocritical of you is that's only to make YOU feel better.
MANY <~~~this is your hope... the fact you cap'ed it only shows your emotional state. "many" means the same thing as i typed it.
MUCH LESS<~~~ an attack and a hope as you can't prove this. the "much" qualifier is the attack, trying to over state your case and evoke an emotional response... and "less" is your hope... you can't prove it, but you desperately hope it to be true.


You know I could do a much better job of defending your beliefs than you... prolly cause I know them better.
I can think of several points you bible thumper just can't seem to come up with on your own.

Oh dear... why do I always get sucked into answering these god-botherers' posts?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

The very first error of judgment you've made Leigh: "Intelligence" — per se — has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religious beliefs or non-beliefs. I quote the non-theist Stephen Hawking: "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."
Or are you suggesting that Hawking et al are not intelligent?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

In all fairness, I can't argue that this incorrect: There are many, many "believers" that do much good in the world — doctors, police, teachers, artists, firemen, pharmacists, writers, philosophers, and yes... even scientists!
But... and that's a big but, "more"? There's just as many atheists out there doing just as much good for the world in as many ways and just as effectively as "believers". And I won't make the obvious rejoinder that I'd like to think that there's more atheists doing good than believers. Or did I just do that?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

3. Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestal?

Sorry, but this belief is totally without any support. In fact, many of the people throughout history who've advanced our society have been atheists, and have done so simply because of their refusal to accept that paranormal forces or supernatural entities control our destiny. I'd be pleased if you could post some relevant links to support your claim. And if you think we atheists put ourselves on a "pedestal" then you simply don't understand the concept of non-theism at all. And if you really want to see pedestals, visit a church... (sorry, that was a bit glib, but I couldn't resist).

Originally posted by j.leigh:

For the atheists on this site... you aren't as smart as many believers... you do MUCH LESS good for the world... and you have practically no influence (and you're typically very rude).... so who cares what you have to say? Who cares if you think you are right about your beliefs (or lack thereof)? Who are you (personally) that we should even pay you any attention?

Whoa... we've really got all the big guns firing here haven't we?

We atheists aren't "as smart" as the "believers"? What the.....? That has to rank as the most subjective assessment of all your comments, and the most unworthy. In what way exactly do we do "much less" good for the world? Or is that simply your personal, and obviously biased opinion? Care to share any empirical evidence to support that fanciful assertion? I thought not.

We atheists have "practically no influence"? I'm sorry Leigh, but I can't even comprehend what you mean by this statement. (But then, I am an atheist, so maybe that explains it... being stupid and all?) Seriously, if by "influence" you're talking about the effects upon the fields of world politics, contemporary philosophy, the sciences, critical writing, medicine, the arts etc then you're seriously out of touch either with all of those arenas or the headlining realities of the 21st century.

I also have to laugh at your claim that believers — allegedly — don't care what atheists have to say, or whether our premises are right or wrong, or that believers shouldn't pay us any attention. Doesn't this then beg the obvious question: Why have you bothered (as a believer) to respond to this thread? If, as you assert, we're not worthy of your consideration, what's your point in entering into this discussion? Are you really so unsure of the power of your beliefs and certainty that you see them as needing your personal intervention to defend them on every web site that's hosting secular or non-theist points of view? Why waste your time? Why not simply choose to ignore us?

Is your "god" so lacking in omnipotence and wisdom and real presence that he needs the constant defense of mere mortals such as yourself? Surely if this hypothetical god was so powerful, he would've already dealt with us non-believers without your help? And I've certainly stood ready to be smitten for decades now LOL.

If your beliefs are so unassailable, why the desperation to defend them against the attacks of us simple-minded atheists?

—Geoff.

I thought I'd mention that there are far, far, more "unbelievers" than Christians.

I could have said, and am just about to:

"I thought I'd mention that there are far, far, more "unbelievers" than Muslims."

To make th obvious even more so --- each religion believes in its own God and regards those that don't as Barbarians, Infidels, Heathen and now, apparently (by some!), as the Unintelligent. No one Religion can claim a majority of Human opinion is aligned to the "one true faith".

Thinking that you are right and others wrong is somehow human, but declaring that others are unintelligent is, well, unintelligent.

Originally posted by string:

One could also remark that many Christians are more polite than some, but lacking the CAPITAL letters maybe that lacks a punch.

SEZ WHO?

Originally posted by string:

No one Religion can claim a majority of Human opinion is aligned to the "one true faith".

Yet the majority is aligned with one such belief system or the other. The unaligned are a tiny portion (that would be you and I). I'm thinking of becoming a Buddhist because I don't want to be consigned to hell. Much more forgiving religion.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

Read and learn. But anyway, there are certainly more non-believers who are smarter than me than believers, so if your appeal to the (smarter) masses were actually valid, you'd have just proved yourself wrong.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

Wow, the same fallacy again, and with a similar though even worse problem: a) there are far more believers who completely fuck up the world, often while claiming to be doing good (like refusing to rent apartments to homosexuals) b) if I give people clothes and other people who can spare some give Bibles, they're doing more good? But really, a baseless assertion at best because you haven't got a clue what anybody does or doesn't do.

Originally posted by j.leigh:

Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestial?

Woo, a strawman! Actually it's not even that. You're not misrepresenting what anybody actually said; you're just pulling things out of your behind.

Existence is not a weakness. Anyway, let me add something. Our good attributes are all given and coming from the same source. Consider a flowing river. at a certain point sun shines on the water. these water particules shines for a second and then the light goes out from them; the newcomers shine. we can easily infer that these lights dont belong to the water atoms,actualy somethng stable has it them... life is one of these lights that given by GOD

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by saidaltin:

The God is the one who has no weaknesses as we have. So dying, relaxing, needing a partner... All these are our attributes. God is away from these... And certainly must be.

And actually existing is another attribute we have but which he lacks

existence is nota weakness

Originally posted by saidaltin:

Anyway, let me add something.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

life is one of these lights that given by GOD

When you prove EloYahallah's existence (Whichever deity it might be that you think exists, be it Elohim, Yahweh or Allah, even though they are all the same deity), perhaps this post of yours can move forward?

Originally posted by saidaltin:

existence is not a weakness

Not gonna argue there.
however...

Originally posted by saidaltin:

So dying, relaxing,

didn't jesus die? so the coward sent his son to do the dying? or does trinity apply?
Also didn't he 'rest' on the seventh day?

feel free to rearrange these and any other facts you want tho... everyone else does.

Originally posted by reacher9:

Oh dear... why do I always get sucked into answering these god-botherers' posts?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

1. There are MANY believers that are far more intelligent than you... so what's the point of trying to act like you're smarter than the rest simply because you don't believe in a Creator?

The very first error of judgment you've made Leigh: "Intelligence" — per se — has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with religious beliefs or non-beliefs. I quote the non-theist Stephen Hawking: "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, and science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."
Or are you suggesting that Hawking et al are not intelligent?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

2. There are MANY believers that do much more good for the world than yourself - so why the arrogance?

In all fairness, I can't argue that this incorrect: There are many, many "believers" that do much good in the world — doctors, police, teachers, artists, firemen, pharmacists, writers, philosophers, and yes... even scientists!
But... and that's a big but, "more"? There's just as many atheists out there doing just as much good for the world in as many ways and just as effectively as "believers". And I won't make the obvious rejoinder that I'd like to think that there's more atheists doing good than believers. Or did I just do that?

Originally posted by j.leigh:

3. Some of the most influential people in history have been believers - far exceeding atheists... so why put yourself on a pedestal?

Sorry, but this belief is totally without any support. In fact, many of the people throughout history who've advanced our society have been atheists, and have done so simply because of their refusal to accept that paranormal forces or supernatural entities control our destiny. I'd be pleased if you could post some relevant links to support your claim. And if you think we atheists put ourselves on a "pedestal" then you simply don't understand the concept of non-theism at all. And if you really want to see pedestals, visit a church... (sorry, that was a bit glib, but I couldn't resist).

Originally posted by j.leigh:

For the atheists on this site... you aren't as smart as many believers... you do MUCH LESS good for the world... and you have practically no influence (and you're typically very rude).... so who cares what you have to say? Who cares if you think you are right about your beliefs (or lack thereof)? Who are you (personally) that we should even pay you any attention?

Whoa... we've really got all the big guns firing here haven't we?

We atheists aren't "as smart" as the "believers"? What the.....? That has to rank as the most subjective assessment of all your comments, and the most unworthy. In what way exactly do we do "much less" good for the world? Or is that simply your personal, and obviously biased opinion? Care to share any empirical evidence to support that fanciful assertion? I thought not.

We atheists have "practically no influence"? I'm sorry Leigh, but I can't even comprehend what you mean by this statement. (But then, I am an atheist, so maybe that explains it... being stupid and all?) Seriously, if by "influence" you're talking about the effects upon the fields of world politics, contemporary philosophy, the sciences, critical writing, medicine, the arts etc then you're seriously out of touch either with all of those arenas or the headlining realities of the 21st century.

I also have to laugh at your claim that believers — allegedly — don't care what atheists have to say, or whether our premises are right or wrong, or that believers shouldn't pay us any attention. Doesn't this then beg the obvious question: Why have you bothered (as a believer) to respond to this thread? If, as you assert, we're not worthy of your consideration, what's your point in entering into this discussion? Are you really so unsure of the power of your beliefs and certainty that you see them as needing your personal intervention to defend them on every web site that's hosting secular or non-theist points of view? Why waste your time? Why not simply choose to ignore us?

Is your "god" so lacking in omnipotence and wisdom and real presence that he needs the constant defense of mere mortals such as yourself? Surely if this hypothetical god was so powerful, he would've already dealt with us non-believers without your help? And I've certainly stood ready to be smitten for decades now LOL.
Life is a test, God distinguishes believers and non believers through this test. Punishment and reward in this test, is after the death. So no teacher punishes the poor performers before the end of the test.
If your beliefs are so unassailable, why the desperation to defend them against the attacks of us simple-minded atheists?

—Geoff.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by saidaltin:

The God is the one who has no weaknesses as we have. So dying, relaxing, needing a partner... All these are our attributes. God is away from these... And certainly must be.

And actually existing is another attribute we have but which he lacks

existence is nota weakness

Well, your invisible friend in the sky doesn't have it, therefore by christian logic it must be a weakness

It never cease to amaze me how effortlessly the religionists conflate their quasi-scientific theories with those of accredited science!

Originally posted by saidaltin:

..... Consider a flowing river. At a certain point sun shines on the water. The water particles shine for a second and then the light goes out from them; the newcomers shine. We can easily infer that these lights don't belong to the water atoms, actually something stable has it them... life is one of these lights that given by GOD.

The water particles don't shine. They (put simply) reflect the photons that the sun releases as thermonuclear energy.

And we have no need to "infer" that these "lights" don't "belong" to the water. We know that fact as a scientific reality (and I'm accepting your non-scientific terminology for argument's sake here). We have no need to justify the physical reality of particle or energy behaviour by invoking some supernatural force at work! I also question your particular usage of the word "infer" — as it usually means to derive by reasoning or conclude or judge from evidence. Could you tell us what your reasoning processes are, and what empirical evidence you possess for believing in the actions of supernatural forces upon nature?

And I have not the faintest idea of what you mean by "life is one of these lights that given by GOD". Are you suggesting that some paranormal entity is responsible for sunlight? Do you not understand anything about quantum mechanics?

—

Originally posted by reacher9:

It never cease to amaze me how effortlessly the religionists conflate their quasi-scientific theories with those of accredited science!

I didn't even see that. I guess I'm already overlooking his posts.

Originally posted by reacher9:

Are you suggesting that some paranormal entity is responsible for sunlight? Do you not understand anything about quantum mechanics?

No need to go there, it's basic physics

Originally posted by ensbb3:

Originally posted by reacher9:

It never cease to amaze me how effortlessly the religionists conflate their quasi-scientific theories with those of accredited science!

I didn't even see that. I guess I'm already overlooking his posts.

I don't think it was there (anymore). Either that or the complete and utter ignorance overloaded the part of my brain capable of trying to comprehend said ignorance.

Originally posted by reacher9:

It never cease to amaze me how effortlessly the religionists conflate their quasi-scientific theories with those of accredited science!

Originally posted by saidaltin:

..... Consider a flowing river. At a certain point sun shines on the water. The water particles shine for a second and then the light goes out from them; the newcomers shine. We can easily infer that these lights don't belong to the water atoms, actually something stable has it them... life is one of these lights that given by GOD.

The water particles don't shine. They (put simply) reflect the photons that the sun releases as thermonuclear energy.

And we have no need to "infer" that these "lights" don't "belong" to the water. We know that fact as a scientific reality (and I'm accepting your non-scientific terminology for argument's sake here). We have no need to justify the physical reality of particle or energy behaviour by invoking some supernatural force at work! I also question your particular usage of the word "infer" — as it usually means to derive by reasoning or conclude or judge from evidence. Could you tell us what your reasoning processes are, and what empirical evidence you possess for believing in the actions of supernatural forces upon nature?

And I have not the faintest idea of what you mean by "life is one of these lights that given by GOD". Are you suggesting that some paranormal entity is responsible for sunlight? Do you not understand anything about quantum mechanics?

—

I see u missed my point, the sun was only a metaphor, to understand how temporary things necessitate something permanent.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by saidaltin:

Anyway, let me add something.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

life is one of these lights that given by GOD

When you prove EloYahallah's existence (Whichever deity it might be that you think exists, be it Elohim, Yahweh or Allah, even though they are all the same deity), perhaps this post of yours can move forward?

Proving the god is the simplest job, because everything points out his existence. Simply "Every village must have its headman; every needle must have its manufacturer and craftsman. And, as you know, every letter must be written by someone. How, then, can it be that so extremely well-ordered a kingdom should have no ruler?"

Originally posted by saidaltin:

I see u missed my point

Me too...

Originally posted by saidaltin:

these water particles shines for a second and then the light goes out from them

This is so wrong it negates anything that comes after...metaphor or not.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

the newcomers shine.

elaborate please... ya lost me.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

actually something stable has it them...

??? lost me again...

Originally posted by saidaltin:

life is one of these lights that given by GOD

I almost see what you were trying to do... very very bad example. you can't make stuff up and call it a metaphor just to make a point...
wait you do realize light isn't held right?

Originally posted by saidaltin:

I see u missed my point, the sun was only a metaphor, to understand how temporary things necessitate something permanent.

Except that they don't, you didn't come up with any support for that claim either. Don't confuse 'understanding' with 'brainwashing'.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

Proving the god is the simplest job, because everything points out his existence. Simply "Every village must have its headman; every needle must have its manufacturer and craftsman. And, as you know, every letter must be written by someone. How, then, can it be that so extremely well-ordered a kingdom should have no ruler?"

Well ordered kingdom? Where?
Either way, feel free to point out any natural process that requires or even hints at the existence of some sort of supreme being ( however we define 'supreme' this week )
Also, even if your claim held any water there is absolutely nothing that would connect the 'ruler' to any existing 'holy' book.

Strictly speaking, it was an allegory...

Originally posted by saidaltin:

.....I see u missed my point, the sun was only a metaphor, to understand how temporary things necessitate something permanent.

At any rate, whatever your sunlight/water story was meant to convey, it obviously didn't succeed as nobody else here knows what you're talking about either.

Originally posted by saidaltin:

How, then, can it be that so extremely well-ordered a kingdom should have no ruler?"

That old chestnut eh?
Oh well, I was hoping for something a bit more challenging.....pity.

Humans who deny God simply have no relationship or experience with God. God is always your Highest Thought, your Clearest Word, your Grandest Feeling. Anything less is from another source. Highest contains Joy. Clearest words truth and Grandest is Love. Joy Truth and Love simple......