installed latest vversion of opera now no longer have "tools " in top toolbar.

installed latest vversion of opera now no longer have "tools " in top toolbar.

installed latest vversion of opera now no longer have "tools " in top toolbar. where is it . I cannot receive any mail thru opera ,now after updating cannot locate "tools" in header. ready to give up on opera. too difficult to get answers no simple help file.

Originally posted by Pawgy:

installed latest vversion of opera now no longer have "tools " in top toolbar. where is it . I cannot receive any mail thru opera ,now after updating cannot locate "tools" in header. ready to give up on opera. too difficult to get answers no simple help file.

If you click the red Opera tab in the corner you will get a drop down menu, towards the bottom is a "show menu bar" option, select this and you will get your "tool" menu back.

By the way I had the same problem and had to look in this forum for help?

Not too sure why Opera decided to change the layout, surely the new "settings" red tab could have been introduced as an optional change rather than placed there by default.
That would mean, those that already use Opera wouldn't be scratching their heads so much, and If their is such a major change their should be a clear animated help page at start up to outline the changes and instructions on how to reverse them.

The Speed issue seems a little academic since most major browsers are pretty quick these days with milliseconds splitting them, if you need Speed test to see which is fastest then it means that the end user will probably not notice much difference, so I say Opera forget the pursuit on being the fastest, just concentrate on being the best.

Thanks, I was having the same problem restoring my "Tools" button. I agree with the comments of Mountain Man2 re the rollout of the latest versions of the browser. More attention to the browser, maybe -and less to litigation?

Originally posted by Mountain man2:

and If their is such a major change their should be a clear animated help page at start up to outline the changes and instructions on how to reverse them.

I would bet that max 0,1% would read it, like probably less than 0,1% read the rules of this forum.

Originally posted by Cruiser:

I would bet that max 0,1% would read it, like probably less than 0,1% read the rules of this forum.

About as many as read the help file (F1). Menus.

If Cruiser's remark about the rules of this forum is meant to imply that some comments in this thread are inappropriate, then I'm sure that the Moderator will follow Item 2 of the Rules ("If you are in doubt whether you are posting in the right forum or not, mention that in your thread, and a moderator can help by explaining it to you, and moving the thread to the right forum.") OK, consider it mentioned. While it seems to me that Mountain Man2's comments were germane to the "Opera Browser" forum, I'm sure that those in charge will move this thread if they see the need to do so.
As to the substance of MM2's comments, It appears to me that his basic point is that the developers of Opera did not take adequately into consideration the needs and inclinations of the average computer user in effecting the changes in appearance and usage of the browser in its latest versions. Certainly, the folks in Oslo are interested in satisfying the average user's needs - else why all the tilting at the Redmond windmills? The point is surely to increase the base of Opera's users among the vast majority of people accessing the net, not just the technogeeks who spend their time in the digital equivalent of navel contemplation. I have been an Opera user since v.5 and plan to continue to be - I just want it to be the best browser, not just an also-ran behind Firefox, Chrome, or whatever.

I don't know what any software developer can do to make it any easier. Upgraders and new users will see the Welcome screen. Out of millions of those who downloaded and installed Opera we see a few dozen posting here who could not figure out where the menu was.

In spite of the success of Firefox, the majority of users migrating to Opera will be migrating from IE, which also has no menu by default. To open the menu in IE, the users have to press the Alt key. Pressing the Alt key in Opera also shows the drop down menu as illustrated on the Welcome page.

Originally posted by Pawgy:

ready to give up on opera. too difficult to get answers no simple help file.

I wonder whether you even looked at the help file? What is "not simple" about it?

Originally posted by Mountain man2:

Not too sure why Opera decided to change the layout, surely the new "settings" red tab could have been introduced as an optional change rather than placed there by default.

The new layout in Opera is the default layout in all Windows 7 compatible apps. Don't whine to Opera about OS integration.

Originally posted by jfh:

If Cruiser's remark about the rules of this forum is meant to imply that some comments in this thread are inappropriate,

This is of topic, but: I was thinking more in general, since I responded on a generalizing claim. But I also was thinking of the heading of this thread, and the first post. The writer have obviously not spent any time searching first. Which is posting rule no 1.
As to whatever MOD do or does not. It is up to us to follow the rules. We should not drop following the rules, thinking: What the heck, MOD will sort it out anyway. It is in our own best interest. It is not just for pleasing MOD that we should follow the rules. If we keep on posting the same thread again and again, it will take forever to scan trough these when we are searching for answers to our problems.
So everyone should keep on reminding each other to stay within the rules, kindly, so that we can have a better, more productive forum.

Originally posted by prd3:

Originally posted by Mountain man2:

Not too sure why Opera decided to change the layout, surely the new "settings" red tab could have been introduced as an optional change rather than placed there by default.

The new layout in Opera is the default layout in all Windows 7 compatible apps. Don't whine to Opera about OS integration.

It's not a whine at all, it is just a question/observation.

As they say "If it ain't broke then don't fix it"

Originally posted by Pesala:

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Originally posted by Pawgy:

ready to give up on opera. too difficult to get answers no simple help file.

I wonder whether you even looked at the help file? What is "not simple" about it?

To be fair though I can thoroughly understand where Pawgy is coming from, whilst I have a fair competency and patience with computers and perhaps wouldn't have given up so easily, I know plenty of people who would have done.
Those people e.g my sister and my mum for instance simply want to get from A-B and couldn't care less what engine is under the bonnet of a car, much as I would like to educate them on the intricacies of the pc and internet usage I know that they will never really be that interested in it, unlike perhaps you or me Pesala.

So If you look at it this way, say my sister had been use to driving her car for some years, she takes it into the garage for a service.
The garage then tells her want need to upgrade a few mnior components in her car, my sister says okay them.

On getting the car back my sister would still expect to be able to drive the car as before with all the controls in the same places as before, she wouldn't expect to have to look up the car manual to see how to drive her car again, now that's the point.
Competent PC users will be able to find a solution quite easily, but if you are not PC competent then you are less likely to know where exactly you should look for a solution.

Originally posted by Mountain man2:

Originally posted by prd3:

Originally posted by Mountain man2:

Not too sure why Opera decided to change the layout, surely the new "settings" red tab could have been introduced as an optional change rather than placed there by default.

The new layout in Opera is the default layout in all Windows 7 compatible apps. Don't whine to Opera about OS integration.

It's not a whine at all, it is just a question/observation.

No, it's whining. Opera is just following platform conventions.

err I think your the one that's whining......about my posts! enough already!

Originally posted by prd3:

The new layout in Opera is the default layout in all Windows 7 compatible apps. Don't whine to Opera about OS integration.

First of all, I don't see the remarks here as whining. Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "the default layout in all Windows 7 compatible apps." Certainly Firefox is Windows 7 compatible, but it hasn't made its menu toolbar disappear. I've been using Opera since version 3, I think, when I happily paid for it, and I was appalled and puzzled when the Menu bar suddenly disappeared. I couldn't even find a Help link, since that too was on the Menu bar.

thanks now I know the help file is f1 and and the drop down under the red O includes the tools menu. if the tool bar would have been their to begin with I would not have had to post at all. I am a little disappointed with opera because I have not been able to receive mail and have received some good suggestions in another lengthy post. I have to put a shortcut in my Oper bookmarks and still get all my mail back at AT&t sbc yahoo.

By the way I did spend a considerable amount of time searching before posting. Because of some of the snide responses in this post you can rest assured I will not post again. Just switch browsers if I can not figure it out.

thanks to those who helped.

Regards
Pawgy