Timing?

Timing?

This isn't really a desktop wish, or is it?

Anyways, I think Opera can do a little better in terms of timing.
Okay, let's say that all of the bugs in version 10.5x eventually get sorted
out in a hypothetical version 10.60.

All this is great so far, right?

2-3 months after our hypothetical version 10.60 gets officially released,
Opera's automatic update suddenly announces that version 11.01 is now available.

Lo and behold, the users update their Opera browser and find themselves at...
The start of yet another cycle of bug fixing... Afterall, it was only 2-3 months ago
that they seemingly had an almost perfectly working browser, and now they are
back to the drawing board with a post-beta release.

I think that the moral of the story is not about how fast you can get innovation
to the market, but rather how well you get them there...

There is nothing wrong with having a 6-9 month beta testing period. But, there might
be a problem if most of the "beta testing" is done by live users in the so-called "post-beta"
releases.

Microsoft releases a new operating system every 2-5 years. Ubuntu Linux, on the other hand,
strives to deliver a new version every six months. Not to rub it in, but which of these two
companies has the bigger market share due to their business model?

I think that the Microsoft story illustrates the point that it's not how hard you work that brings
in the bacon, but rather how smart you work.

My 2 cents.

Agreed! Actually, I wouldn't find it strange if the latest build of of 10.52 (3344) would still be a 10.5 RC.
I think the main reason people stop using Opera is because for site problems (login problems, and features not working properly (facebook).
Sites that has a huge user base should be patched immediately, regardless of whose fault it is. The browser NEEDS to do one thing above all thing, and that is to deliver a fully functional website to the user.

Originally posted by iamhappy007:

I think that the Microsoft story illustrates the point that it's not how hard you work that brings in the bacon, but rather how smart you work.

You meant when it took M$ 6 years to "develop" IE7 after M$ buried Netscape, & Firefox took a big bite out of IE market share within a few years? One of the reason of Firefox success is because IE's development have become stagnant for years, & now IE is way behind everyone else in many area. The only reason IE can maintaining it's top spot is because it's bundled with Windows, a default browser in every PC preinstalled with Windows, which have over 90% of market share worldwide.

You might wanna take a look at Google Chrome's development speed, it's at least 10 times faster than Opera. They releasing new build everyday, & within 2 years it go through 5 different versions. And yet Chrome's adoption rate is growing faster, how do you explain that? What I'm saying is development speed doesn't have much to do with market share, actually market share have nothing to do with how good the browser is...

By the way, BETA testing is optional & it's not meant for everyone. You should stay with the latest stable if you don't want to deal with those instability. 10.50 is really a rush... because Opera Software try to push a "newer" version out to impress the European consumers.

I hope they won't do that again in the future.

Originally posted by dude09:

You might wanna take a look at Google Chrome's development speed, it's at least 10 times faster than Opera. They releasing new build everyday, & within 2 years it go through 5 different versions. And yet Chrome's adoption rate is growing faster, how do you explain that? What I'm saying is development speed doesn't have much to do with market share, actually market share have nothing to do with how good the browser is...

Then again, I don't see much of a difference between Chrome 1 and Chrome 5, while each major Opera upgrade changes massively. Anyway, the builds you see publicly have little to do with development speed.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

I don't see much of a difference between Chrome 1 and Chrome 5

Yeah, but Chrome just like firefox rely on extension for most features... while Opera is totally different.
Each version do have some differences, mostly little tweaks, stability improvement, & adding more Opera's feature into Chrome once awhile.

Originally posted by dude09:

Originally posted by iamhappy007:

I think that the Microsoft story illustrates the point that it's not how hard you work that brings in the bacon, but rather how smart you work.

You meant when it took M$ 6 years to "develop" IE7 after M$ buried Netscape, & Firefox took a big bite out of IE market share within a few years? One of the reason of Firefox success is because IE's development have become stagnant for years, & now IE is way behind everyone else in many area. The only reason IE can maintaining it's top spot is because it's bundled with Windows, a default browser in every PC preinstalled with Windows, which have over 90% of market share worldwide.

You might wanna take a look at Google Chrome's development speed, it's at least 10 times faster than Opera. They releasing new build everyday, & within 2 years it go through 5 different versions. And yet Chrome's adoption rate is growing faster, how do you explain that? What I'm saying is development speed doesn't have much to do with market share, actually market share have nothing to do with how good the browser is...

By the way, BETA testing is optional & it's not meant for everyone. You should stay with the latest stable if you don't want to deal with those instability. 10.50 is really a rush... because Opera Software try to push a "newer" version out to impress the European consumers.

I hope they won't do that again in the future.

This is called an initial launch bias. Already existent companies that release a new product will show some growth initially. But that doesn't mean the growth curve will continue indefinitely into the future. Anyways, Google has a reputation for data-mining and cooperating with the CIA. Sooner or later, people are going to wake up and realize it's not such a good idea to have your profile available to the CIA at the touch of a fingertip, your biometric facial features (derived from Facebook images) recorded into a database, nor ALL your online activities monitored and recorded when you use Google Chrome. So, the next time you walk past a camera at your street corner, or the shopping mall, and get this weird vibe coming from it, that is b/c the camera has already pre-matched your facial features to Google's biometric database...

first off, I agree that 10.50 was pushed too soon (I think of it like KDE 4.0 )

But MSs market share imo is a legacy from a time Ubuntu didn't even exist yet (aka. Win 98 and sooner) and has nothing to do with development cycles. I actually prefer the short (and fixed) development cycles as it gives me a clear idea when the next release is due to be made and also you regularly get new Features to play with