Opera 10.51 Unacceptable losses.. [Partly Fixed]

Opera 10.51 Unacceptable losses.. [Partly Fixed]

Been using Opera now for 7 years, and rarely need to open any other browser, but
with 10.51 ist impossible to use it at all to browse the web.

How do I change back to earlier versions?

Opera 10.51 unacceptable bugs:

* Opera 10.51 cannot render well anymore on any HTML-object
* Flash/Shockwave often does not render at all (need to switch back and forth between tabs to see object)
* HTML IFrame often does not render at all (need to switch back and forth between tabs to see object)
* Singleclick in speeddial has been changed to double/triple-click(random)
* Singleclick on any link on pages has been changed to double/triple-click(random)
* Browser locks up on xmlhttprequest
* Random locks and crashes, even when no page except speeddial is up
* Standard resource allocation of 300 MB is too much

Will change to Chrome until a rollback-version is released.

Yours,
Tobias Karlsson
Sweden

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Opera 10.51 cannot render well anymore on any HTML-object

What do you mean by this? Seems to render flat HTML just fine here, unless I am misunderstanding you.

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Flash/Shockwave often does not render at all (need to switch back and forth between tabs to see object)

Never had this issue...

Originally posted by xngxng:

* HTML IFrame often does not render at all (need to switch back and forth between tabs to see object)

Never had this issue, in fact, I have been working on a web page that uses an iframe and been explicitly testing the iframe in Opera while I was creating it.

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Singleclick in speeddial has been changed to double/triple-click(random)

Never had this issue.

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Singleclick on any link on pages has been changed to double/triple-click(random)

Never had this issue either....

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Browser locks up on xmlhttprequest

Have not specifically tested it, but 10.51 has never locked up on me, so unless xmlhttprequest is only ever used on small-time websites that most people never know of, I doubt this is the reason for Opera locking up on your machine...

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Random locks and crashes, even when no page except speeddial is up

Never had this issue......

Originally posted by xngxng:

* Standard resource allocation of 300 MB is too much

Opera uses a Ram cache, by default it is set to automatic which allows it to use up to 10% of your ram as a cache. Unless your running Opera on a system with 512MB of ram, 300MB is not too much. Unless you have issues with running out of ram in other applications while Opera uses only 300MB, then the issue is not with Opera, it is with you.

Free ram is wasted ram, quit complaining about a program making good use of your free ram when no other program is using it....unless you experience issues with low ram while Opera hogs up a lot of ram, there is nothing wrong with 300MB of usage.

The ONLY major issues I have seen with Opera 10.51 is Myspace Apps do not work in it (they worked fine in 10.10 and every other browser), which I do not use enough for me to consider it a deal breaker (though I have reported the issue already), and if I load a bunch of hi-res images, Opera will stop displaying them, which I think has to do with the way its ram cache works, disabling its ram cache would probably fix that issue...but it doesn't affect me often enough to be much of an issue.

EDIT: Oh, and transparency messes up flash plugins (text often shows up with the color of whatever is behind the Opera window), but I run Opera on my second monitor with plain black wallpaper (always have), so it doesn't affect me too often.

Originally posted by mwpeck:

Have not specifically tested it, but 10.51 has never locked up on me, so unless xmlhttprequest is only ever used on small-time websites that most people never know of, I doubt this is the reason for Opera locking up on your machine...

A couple of the pages with shockwave/flash that does work, but forgets to render until swapping tabs are:

youtube.com - millions of users
svt.se - millions of users

An example of a page that are locking up on xmlhttprequest:

evony.com - hundreds of thousands of users

There are many more, normal newssites usually does not work anymore, strange rendering and stuff, and the "wait 5-seconds before a link shows its a link"-issue is back from far earlier versions of Opera.

Yours,
Tobias Karlsson

Originally posted by xngxng:

youtube.com - millions of users

svt.se - millions of users

While I have not heard of or tried svt.se, I have never had an issue with youtube videos not rendering.

Originally posted by xngxng:

En example of a page that are locking up on xmlhttprequest:

evony.com - hundreds of thousands of users

Just tried it and the main page loaded fine.....not sure if there is a specific point that it locks up for you, but I loaded the main page without an issue...

Originally posted by xngxng:

There are many more, normal newssites usually does not work anymore, strange rendering and stuff, and the "wait 5-seconds before a link shows its a link"-issue is back from far earlier versions of Opera.

Have you tried resetting your profile after upgrading to 10.51? If you upgraded from 10.10 or lower, to 10.50 or higher, its possible some old config settings are conflicting with 10.50 or higher, and could be the cause of your issues.

As for your flash issues, did you try reinstalling flash after upgrading to 10.50 or higher? I did have a few issues as soon as I upgraded to 10.50 with flash, but reinstalling flash fixed them.

EDIT: And no, I am not trolling, I am simply suggesting that some of the issues you experience may not be caused by Opera 10.51, and may indirectly be user error. Sorry for trying to figure out exactly what is wrong with your system instead of just giving up and giving you download links to inferior software (that is, 10.10 and lower).

Ok, thank you mwpeck, will try your suggestions before downgrading.

The reason I disregarded it at first is that I have 3 computers with different setups (os and opera configuration), and its the same bugs on all of them after upgrading. But as you say, I've been upgrading all of them instead of clean installations, and I havent reinstalled flash afterwards, so I will try that now.

Yours,
Tobias Karlsson

>* Singleclick in speeddial has been changed to double/triple-click(random)
>* Singleclick on any link on pages has been changed to double/triple-click(random)

I have this problem as well, and it was discussed recently in a thread but there is no solution so far and it's difficult to reproduce, apparently!
And I absolutely concur that memory usage is much too high (RAM cache disabled, of course).

Cheers

Upgrading flash player seems to have resolved the flash-issue. I feel a bit awkward that I didnt test that immediately =)

Even the xmlhttprequest seems to be resolved by this, probably because it was called through flash-objects.

The doubleclick-thing I can live with for a while until it is resolved.

Thanks you all for helping!

Originally posted by xngxng:

Upgrading flash player seems to have resolved the flash-issue. I feel a bit awkward that I didnt test that immediately =)

Even the xmlhttprequest seems to be resolved by this, probably because it was called through flash-objects.

The doubleclick-thing I can live with for a while until it is resolved.

Thanks you all for helping!

Glad to see things are working out better for you. As I mentioned earlier, I too had some flash issues when I first upgraded to 10.50, but they were luckily resolved by reinstalling flash.

Originally posted by mcclausky:

The only?? That's laughable, c'mon. Opera 10.50 and 10.51 are almost unusable to browse the web. There's a thread in this forum called: "Awaiting DNS confirmation of cookie domain issue" and right now it has 107 replies and 3764 views. Does that ring any bell for you? And a few hours ago YouTube stopped working again with the "Go upgrade" message.

When I say "I have seen", I am talking about issues that affect me personally.

I HAVE had the DNS confirmation issue in the past, but 10.51 resolved that issue for me. I have not see it since I upgraded to 10.51.

So yes, overall Opera does have some random bugs, but for me personally, there are no present bugs that affect me enough to push me away from Opera.

EDIT: As for the Youtube issue, that is an issue with Youtube, not Opera. If it was an issue with Opera it would likely affect more than just Youtube, and would have never disappeared then reappeared later if you kept the exact same Opera and Flash installations.

Originally posted by mwpeck:

When I say "I have seen", I am talking about issues that affect me personally.

I HAVE had the DNS confirmation issue in the past, but 10.51 resolved that issue for me. I have not see it since I upgraded to 10.51.

So yes, overall Opera does have some random bugs, but for me personally, there are no present bugs that affect me enough to push me away from Opera.

EDIT: As for the Youtube issue, that is an issue with Youtube, not Opera. If it was an issue with Opera it would likely affect more than just Youtube, and would have never disappeared then reappeared later if you kept the exact same Opera and Flash installations.

No one is pushing you to leave Opera. How could we leave it? We love it (even though lately our relation has been having terrible fights).
And please allow me to disagree on the YouTube issue.
Facts I will concede:
- Opera has remained the same. It hasn't changed.
- We used the same Opera version yesterday and Youtube was fine. Today with the same Opera version YouTube is broken. Conclusion: It's a Youtube bug

This is where things don't make sense:
- All the rest of the browsers can display YouTube without problems (all of them)

I feel like having a nice car that can't be driven on a particular highway because the highway itself has problems. But, some other similar (and uglier) cars somehow have no problems at all, and I watch them pass me by. And then I find out that my car is the only one with the problem. Suspicious....maybe something's wrong with mine...

Is Opera just not robust enough?

Originally posted by mcclausky:

This is where things don't make sense:

- All the rest of the browsers can display YouTube without problems (all of them)

The way it looks to me, is Youtube is incorrectly getting the flash version from Opera browsers. As such, it thinks Opera browsers need to update their flash, and since we already have the latest flash, doing so does not fix it.

So I do not think Opera is not robust enough, I think youtube is simply misinterpreting the way Opera is feeding it information.

So yes, it is a bug that Opera could likely fix, but it is a bug that youtube could more easily fix, since they are the only website that has this issue with Opera.

Originally posted by mwpeck:

The way it looks to me, is Youtube is incorrectly getting the flash version from Opera browsers. As such, it thinks Opera browsers need to update their flash, and since we already have the latest flash, doing so does not fix it.

So I do not think Opera is not robust enough, I think youtube is simply misinterpreting the way Opera is feeding it information.

So yes, it is a bug that Opera could likely fix, but it is a bug that youtube could more easily fix, since they are the only website that has this issue with Opera.

Since Opera has a minimum worldwide market share, I don't see Youtube giving priority to this "bug". Anyway, whoever decides to fix it, let's hope it gets done soon.

Originally posted by mcclausky:

Since Opera has a minimum worldwide market share, I don't see Youtube giving priority to this "bug". Anyway, whoever decides to fix it, let's hope it gets done soon.

I never said YouTube should give priority to the bug, I simply said they should fix it. They broke it, it should be their responsibility to fix it.

Opera should not be forming its browser around websites, websites should be forming their code around browsers.

Originally posted by Yarou:

Microsoft had the same reasoning as yours -- websites should conform to the browser, not the other way around. Unfortunately, Internet Explorer was not standards compliant at all, and it's pretty clear that browsers should adhere to universally agreed upon standards. I am deeply disappointed in Opera because it was (at one point) the most standards-compliant browser. Hopefully this issue will be resolved soon.

How do you know it is not Opera's standard compliance that is causing YouTube to not properly handle Opera browsers?

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=3cbbb4aafb595f5e

Just found this. And it works. You probably have to go and make that User Javascript folder, though.