Africa is not a country

Africa is not a country

The fact that most people outside Africa think that Africa is but one country is disgusting.That absolute gibberish is a direct insult to Africa and its inhabitants.It is sickening to uncover that people know so less about the continent that bears most of the world's riches and natural resources.The place where being begun.Allow me to set the record straight :AFRICA IS A CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY!!.....

"The fact that most people outside Africa think that Africa is ... one country" is fiction.

Not really. This is a natural way of thinking, and I believe that a majority of people outside Africa thinks of the continent as one country. On the other hand people outside the respective continents will think of Europeans or Asians as one people as well. This makes the world simpler to understand.

Unfortunately it also means that people are prone to making stupid assumptions about a part of the world they know next to nothing about. The good news is that people are getting better, young people are much more knowledgeable than old ones. If you think people today are ignorant about Africa, you should go back 20 years. Likewise 20 years from now I think few under the age of 50 would make that mistake.

Originally posted by jax:

.....young people are much more knowledgeable than old ones.....

By careful, youngster.

There's nothing like a bit of labelling is there!

We must know different "old" (and perhaps "young") people.

Originally posted by jax:

Unfortunately it also means that people are prone to making stupid assumptions about a part of the world they know next to nothing about.

you can say that again.

Originally posted by Succia:

The fact that most people outside Africa think that Africa is but one country is disgusting.

you have no idea, its more disgusting when you are trying to correct a misconception(lots of them).

There is quite a lot of people that don't even know the difference of what a country or what a continent is. Mostly it just seems to be confusion and general ignorance. Africa is obviously a continent it is huge.

I suppose saying "Welcome to the club" wouldn't be out-of-line?

A "Fer-instance"---- how many people say "America" when they really mean "The United States", thereby conveniently forgetting all the other nations that share this part of the world with the US. This question includes people who live in the US, we may be the biggest offenders to Canadians, Mexicans and of course all the nations in Central and South America who get put to the side when we say "America" as if the USA was all there was to it.

Time to stop getting the nose out-of-joint, it's been happening for a long time and won't stop just because we carp about it on a forum.

Originally posted by jax:

and I believe that a majority of people outside Africa thinks of the continent as one country.

Perhaps you're guilty here of making the opposite assumption....lumping the rest of the world outside of Africa as a single entity.

I've never met* anyone in the UK or in Mexico who would in anyway think of Africa as a single country. I thought the chat show scene in Bruno was mocking that as a misconception, in fact.

*I've never met RJYouknowwho

Originally posted by mjmsprt40:

I suppose saying "Welcome to the club" wouldn't be out-of-line?

A "Fer-instance"---- how many people say "America" when they really mean "The United States", thereby conveniently forgetting all the other nations that share this part of the world with the US.

Almost as bad - brits and most northern americans talking about europe as if it's a single, homogeneous entity.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Almost as bad - brits and most northern americans talking about europe as if it's a single, homogeneous entity.

Eh, England when speaking about the UK or Great Britain, Holland when speaking about the Netherlands, assuming Amsterdam is the only place in the Netherlands where pot is allowed (is there a place where a city can overrule state/provincial/whatever law like that?), thinking Amsterdam is in Germany...

But I have to say the worst was probably when I was utterly dumbfounded because I met a Dutch person (in Utrecht) who didn't know that Belgium was about one hour away by car, nor where Antwerp was. We're talking about a neighboring country here... one that even used to be a part of the country in the past...

Most Americans I met knew all about Antwerp, btw, or at least about its leading position in diamond trade, so it's not like the city isn't known internationally...

Oh yeah, and then there were these Greek people when we were visiting ruins in Athens. Being a student I got free entrance to most places, which was quite nice. But this one time...

Originally posted by my wife:

We decided to check out the old Roman marketplace, in the Roman Agora. Now, the ruins are mostly pretty cheap to visit there, so it’s not like this is a costly endeavor, but student IDs tend to give pretty good discounts places, and in Athens, they seemingly make most things even completely free. So we get there and my husband shows his ID, and the woman asks “Where is this from?” or whatever, that was the gist. He says “Belgium.” She asks again, he repeats. The woman and man (who look to be around 60ish) turn and look at each other, and the man starts in. “Where you from?” Now WE look at each other and are like …?! BELGIUM! They look at each other, the guy goes, “Where you from, you know, England, Italy…” I think he said one other but I can’t recall. At this point we’re just like …………??!??!?!?!?!? and he is like “…BELGIUM, uhhh, the French call it Belgique, the Dutch call it België…?! and they tried asking another time or two and finally just gave it back all annoyed. WTF PEOPLE, Belgium houses the capital of the EU, HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THIS COUNTRY?!? urgh ridiculous. So we paid the two effin’ euros for my ticket (because yeah, we created a fake ID and fake country to try and skip out on his 2 damn euro entrance fee!! ) and went in.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

So we paid the two effin’ euros for my ticket (because yeah, we created a fake ID and fake country to try and skip out on his 2 damn euro entrance fee!! ) and went in.

And the next person who tried to get in free said "France," and the lady said, "Where?" And he paid the two euros, too.

And the woman winked at her husband.

The Guardian: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/17/iantraynor.international">'Belgium? Something that does not exist'</a>

Willy is Flemish and proud of it. His native language is Dutch but like many Belgians he also speaks French and English. When he goes into Brussels on business, he complains, they call him a racist if he speaks in his own tongue.

He may not like it, but they do mostly speak French in Brussels, albeit there's still a very large Dutch-speaking minority... if he's called a racist I bet it's because of how he reacts when someone may not speak Dutch.

Also I recently read a newspaper article saying that speaking Dutch is increasingly popular among Walloons.

People thinking of Africa as a single country is unacceptable,though personally i see that as a sign of ignorance.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Perhaps you're guilty here of making the opposite assumption....lumping the rest of the world outside of Africa as a single entity.

Of course most people who have learned some world geography are aware that Africa contains multiple countries, but that doesn't stop them thinking of Africa as if it was one country (and some actually believe Africa or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3eS1zwfZQ0">Europe to be one country</a>, but that isn't a big problem).

To repeat <a href="http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=441731&t=1271607013&page=2#comment4807921">from another thread</a>

Originally posted by Hans Rosling:

There is a huge difference between Africa. And Ghana is here in the middle. In Sierra Leone [recovering from one of the last civil wars in Africa], humanitarian aid. Here in Uganda, development aid. Here [Ghana] time to invest, there [Mauritius] you can go for a holiday. It's a tremendous variation within Africa which we rarely make -- that it's equal everything.

That reminder, even if focused on a narrow aspect of Africa (life expectancy), is constantly needed.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Almost as bad - brits and most northern americans talking about europe as if it's a single, homogeneous entity.

Eh, England when speaking about the UK or Great Britain,

Common around here

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Holland when speaking about the Netherlands,

So common in Germany it's not even funny anymore

Originally posted by Frenzie:

assuming Amsterdam is the only place in the Netherlands where pot is allowed (is there a place where a city can overrule state/provincial/whatever law like that?), thinking Amsterdam is in Germany...

Originally posted by Frenzie:

But I have to say the worst was probably when I was utterly dumbfounded because I met a Dutch person (in Utrecht) who didn't know that Belgium was about one hour away by car, nor where Antwerp was. We're talking about a neighboring country here... one that even used to be a part of the country in the past...

They're probably still living in that past

I do think that Succia has to get out more and should have stayed on for secondary education. Where does he get this nonsense that the rest of us think of Africa as one country? It is too damn silly for words. Somehow he translates that because there is criticism of what is happening across the Continent we cannot differentiate between Sovereign States? Almost as daft as someone saying that Africans think that Europe is one country.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Almost as daft as someone saying that Africans think that Europe is one country.

Or that Mexico is in Central America. Or Northern Ireland in Great Britain. Or East Angular in Spain. Oh wait, the last one was Jade Goody, not Jock Goody. My mistake!

Originally posted by Succia:

The fact that most people outside Africa think that Africa is but one country is disgusting.

In my english language interpretation "most" does not mean "all"/"rest"

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Where does she get this nonsense that the rest of us think of Africa as one country? It is too damn silly for words.

the same as~how many thought Africa is a jungle? Most of international celebrities who come over here,confirm their mis~information.

I can assure you that hardly anyone things that Algeria is a jungle; possibly even nobody.

(Algeria is in Africa by the way).

Then ask musicians and actors about that?

Most of them they confirm during interviews that they did not expect what they see.they know what we are telling you.
Are you happy?!

Originally posted by Billymish:

the same as~how many thought Africa is a jungle? Most of international celebrities who come over here,confirm their mis~information.

I think everyone's aware of the Sahara...

Hey all you Africans out there wanting the benefit of superior self knowledge. Once garydenness has finished educating all those impressive wee waifs minds in Mexico he can come out and impress you with his confidence. You might be cleverer and see though him. He always likes to be the star in places that he thinks he can impress with impunity.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Hey all you Africans out there wanting the benefit of superior self knowledge. Once garydenness has finished educating all those impressive wee waifs minds in Mexico he can come out and impress you with his confidence. You might be cleverer and see though him. He always likes to be the star in places that he thinks he can impress with impunity.

Really, Mr Howie....this is the third personal attack in as many minutes! Do calm yourself...

Perhaps old wounds have never healed?
I seem to remember this being posted 3 years ago ( ) :
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/366389/pride_and_prejudice_homophobia_in_the.html

Not that I'm a geography but I think only Australia that has the "whole continent is a country" thing going for it.
Of course most Americans at least I talk to really don't know much of where any country is..

Originally posted by starree:

Not that I'm a geography " width="29" height="27"> but I think only Australia that has the "whole continent is a country" thing going for it.

Depends on how you define what a continent is...

Thinking of Africa as a single country is not nearly as bad as assuming everyone in Africa is black, or calling anyone black in America African-American. I know it's a shocker, but white people live in Africa. Another shocker maybe, the US isn't the largest english-speaking country in the world either.

Originally posted by Malakim:

Another shocker maybe, the US isn't the largest english-speaking country in the world either.

That depends on how you define "largest." By land mass no, by (native) speakers, most definitely.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Perhaps old wounds have never healed?
I seem to remember this being posted 3 years ago ( ) :
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/366389/pride_and_prejudice_homophobia_in_the.html

all that dedicated to him? No wonder he's always an angry poster.

Originally posted by Malakim:

Thinking of Africa as a single country is not nearly as bad as assuming everyone in Africa is black, or calling anyone black in America African-American.

Not to mention calling blacks living in Europe " African-Americans", US media do this sometimes.

Of course every Idiot, Retard and Imbicile would think Africa is a country. Others even believe we are illiterate and poverty-stricken! Wake up!!!

This is twenty ten, not the dark ages.

Keep it simple.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Others even believe we are illiterate and poverty-stricken!

Illiteracy is a serious issue across most of Africa. There are numerous nations within the continent who 'boast' a literacy rate of below 60%. Poverty is also a serious issue.

What are we supposed to wake up to?

Perhaps you've been keeping it too simple...

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Others even believe we are illiterate and poverty-stricken!

Now you are equating South Africa with Africa?

Well I was helping those poor Africans needing help garydenness when you exhaust the Me-he-cans and they are thinking for themselves.

Malakim you are doing another variation of the over simplifying that there are whites, etc living in Africa. How juvenile is that? Even a child could come up with that one but it is essentially the black man's Continent as Europe is the white (well for the moment until Islam over-runs). Actually garydenness has a goodly point and put it well on Illiteracy and poverty which is widespread on the Continent so in your haste and over patriotic rant. I have assumed you are an educated SA man so what is this bunkum? S.Africa is full of unemployment, widespread poverty, no dissolution of the massive shanty towns, widespread violence, lack of social cohesion, etc. Not very pleasant but the truth. Why you frenzie think that somehow South Africa is that vastly different with those situations is a tritely simple and frankly puzzling.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Actually garydenness has a goodly point and put it well on Illiteracy and poverty

I feel queasy....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

S.Africa is full of unemployment, widespread poverty, no dissolution of the massive shanty towns, widespread violence, lack of social cohesion, etc. Not very pleasant but the truth. Why you frenzie think that somehow South Africa is that vastly different with those situations is a tritely simple and frankly puzzling.

The United States is full of unemployment, poverty, widespread violence, lack of social cohesion, etc. See, you can say anything you want!

Originally posted by garydenness:

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Others even believe we are illiterate and poverty-stricken!

Illiteracy is a serious issue across most of Africa. There are numerous nations within the continent who 'boast' a literacy rate of below 60%. Poverty is also a serious issue.

What are we supposed to wake up to?

Perhaps you've been keeping it too simple...

Sorry essé! What have you been smoking?

Yes, poverty is serious issue in your country too! Don't anything about your illiteracy levels!!

Comprendhe essé

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well I was helping those poor Africans needing help garydenness when you exhaust the Me-he-cans and they are thinking for themselves.

Malakim you are doing another variation of the over simplifying that there are whites, etc living in Africa. How juvenile is that? Even a child could come up with that one but it is essentially the black man's Continent as Europe is the white (well for the moment until Islam over-runs). Actually garydenness has a goodly point and put it well on Illiteracy and poverty which is widespread on the Continent so in your haste and over patriotic rant. I have assumed you are an educated SA man so what is this bunkum? S.Africa is full of unemployment, widespread poverty, no dissolution of the massive shanty towns, widespread violence, lack of social cohesion, etc. Not very pleasant but the truth. Why you frenzie think that somehow South Africa is that vastly different with those situations is a tritely simple and frankly puzzling.

Everyone see what too much iron brew does to one's mind! Poor old timer thinks we are in the dark ages.

Keep it simple.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Why you frenzie think that somehow South Africa is that vastly different with those situations is a tritely simple and frankly puzzling.

According to the CIA South Africa has a literacy rate of 86.4%, which is definitely higher than in most African countries, which I think are generally around 60%-70%. It's a far cry from the European almost omnipresent 99+% though. One of the worst performing countries is Romania at 97.3% afaik.

I wasn't really responding to the poverty.

Originally posted by Malakim:

The United States is full of unemployment, poverty, widespread violence, lack of social cohesion, etc. See, you can say anything you want!

And rjhowie will say that too, so I'm not really seeing your point.

Thanks Frenzie and we all know the old timer is a pessimist when it comes to Africa or the "ex-colonies". Too bad he still hung up on 'the good old days' ag shame!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Yes, poverty is serious issue in your country too! Don't anything about your illiteracy levels!!

Not really. Although I guess you mean Mexico, which is not technically 'my' country. But here, yes....poverty is an issue for a larger chunk of the population that is necessary. There is plenty of money (not simply resources, but cold hard cash) in the country, and the worlds richest man (according to the latest Forbes list) comes from Mexico. Shame about the wealth distribution, huh. Does that sound familiar.

Illiteracy? Mexico has a 90% literacy rate, which isn't too bad. If Mexico were in Africa, it'd be one of the top performers. In Europe, one of the worst performers. There are numerous rural communities who continue to live as they have for centuries, who have not engaged in modern schooling.

There. I've just addressed the reality of life in Mexico.

Just as I addressed the ilteracy and poverty of Africa.

You ridiculed the idea that there was illiteracy and poverty in Africa. I simply pointed out that, actually, there is in fact a high level of illiteracy in Africa and provided a few figures. Frenzie has already suggested one resource. It's quite a good one , so here's the link - https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html

Africa as a continent in general has lots of potential, but there are problems that need to be addressed, and education is most definitely one of them. More so in some nations than others, of course.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Sorry essé! What have you been smoking?

Marlboro Azul. Camel if they are out of stock. You?

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_literacy_map_UNHD_2007_2008.png and http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/99.html for (il)literacy.

I must admit I somewhat overlooked western Africa in what I said previously about most of Africa having a literacy rate of 60%-70%. Not that it makes a difference for the conclusion that the literacy rate is comparatively low all over Africa compared to the rest of the world.

Africa as a continent has more than its share of ills, if compared with other continents. Most of the "bottom billion" live there, there is more cases of war, famine, abject poverty, diseases like AIDS, corruption, and so on. But these problems are not evenly spread, in Africa as elsewhere. Some of these ills are related, where you have war you have famine, where you have corruption the poor suffer particularly.

But thinking Africa = 1 big problem, or even being trapped in an Edwardian mindset like rjhowie, is missing the picture. The world is changing, and what used to be the third world is changing even faster. I would repeat the suggestion to watch Hans Rosling shows the best stats you've ever seen (horrible title, but nothing that can be done about it).

As I said in that thread, just as there is no Africa, there is no African union at the moment. My guess is that Africa will diverge further in the time to come, while Europe is rapidly converging, and the Americas as well.

Stop judging people according to your standards. We have different goals in life. "Keep your England, and I'll keep my Zimbabwe", President Mugabe. Don't de-africanize us! We don't want to be like you.

Originally posted by jax:

But thinking Africa = 1 big problem, or even being trapped in an Edwardian mindset like rjhowie, is missing the picture. The world is changing, and what used to be the third world is changing even faster. I would repeat the suggestion to watch Hans Rosling shows the best stats you've ever seen (horrible title, but nothing that can be done about it).

I would think even something as simple as a map of literacy rates shows that quite well.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

We have different goals in life. [...] Don't de-africanize us! We don't want to be like you.

Who are we, us, and you in the above sentences? I thought Africa wasn't a country?

In my view Africa never was, just like Europe, America, and Asia these are useful abstractions. How much have city dwellers in common with village people? Young with old? Poor with rich? Families with singles? The established ones with the upstarts?

I don't think Africa is going to become South-of-the-Mediterranean Europe (or Transatlantic America). These days it seems the elites are more inclined to look to China, which may not be that a bad model, certainly better than the Soviet Union. Whatever the 1 billion African will do, the Africa of the present will fade away, just like the Europe of yore is lost (maybe excepting a Glaswegian stalwart or two).

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Stop judging people according to your standards. We have different goals in life. "Keep your England, and I'll keep my Zimbabwe", President Mugabe. Don't de-africanize us! We don't want to be like you.

Why did you use Zimbabwe of all places as an example? Starvation, a cholera epidemic and hyper-inflation are bad for you whether in England or Africa. Mugabe could have been a great hero*, instead he turned his country into a basket case.
And how can you de-Africanise when there is no such thing as something truly African?

*yes, yes, i know that he still is to many.

Originally posted by jax:

In my view Africa never was, just like Europe, America, and Asia these are useful abstractions.

The way it looks from here, there are at least three parts to a useful abstraction of Africa:

- North of Sahara
- South of Sahara
- RSA

About other continents, if you think closer, they are also too diverse and divided to be useful one-label abstractions. None of them can be treated like a solid geopolitical entity. Except Australia. And Antarctica.

Ok, point taken. Thank you for the input.

Tizz

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Originally posted by Malakim:

Another shocker maybe, the US isn't the largest english-speaking country in the world either.

That depends on how you define "largest." By land mass no, by (native) speakers, most definitely.

I guess Malakim is referring to that India is the largest country with English as an official language. English can also for some be politically less troublesome than Hindi.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Stop judging people according to your standards. We have different goals in life. "Keep your England, and I'll keep my Zimbabwe", President Mugabe. Don't de-africanize us! We don't want to be like you.

Who's judging or trying to 'de-africanize' you? And I have no desire for you to be like us. Homogenisation of the human species certainly isn't something I'd like to see.

You made a comment, and it simply struck me as odd because it rather runs against the evidence, certainly in the context I understood you to be placing it in.

Every country around the world has challenges, deficiencies and problems, and countries within Africa are no different in that respect. Many countries within Africa have some very serious issues, beyond those faced by most of the rest of the world, and in my opinion (which is supported by the levels of illiteracy in Africa) education is one of them. It is the bedrock upon which tomorrows Africa will be built, and whilst improvement has been made in many parts of the continent, there is clearly still some way to go.

Don't, por favor, confuse me with Mr Howie, however. Whilst I may be pointing out what is wrong now, I haven't written Africa off wholesale, lock stock and two smoking barrels, as a basketcase continent destined to live in the dark ages forever. I can see the opportunities and reasons for hope and progress all over the place, despite some rather dark corners like Zimbabwe.

I would love to know what Africa would have been like today though, had the Imperial powers of Europes past employed a version of the Prime Directive.

Please for clarification

Originally posted by Zotlan:

And how can you de-Africanise when there is no such thing as something truly African?

are you sure?!


if you say "*yes yes"~that implies you are agree, that~there are things which are trully African.

Originally posted by Billymish:

are you sure?!

Africa is big and diverse, yes, i'm sure. In the same way that i am sure that there is nothing truly Asian or American or even European, though that is a much smaller continent.

@Zoltan THANKS.

@Zoltan THANKS.
But like what?name 3 things other than anything mentioned by rjhowie.

Originally posted by Succia:

The fact that most people outside Africa think that Africa is but one country is disgusting.That absolute gibberish is a direct insult to Africa and its inhabitants.It is sickening to uncover that people know so less about the continent that bears most of the world's riches and natural resources.The place where being begun.Allow me to set the record straight :AFRICA IS A CONTINENT NOT A COUNTRY!!.....

from the information i've seen,
its about changing geographical map,and
1.failing to convince some international students,and
2.some ppl failing to understand
That the name which was used before African name,was converted into a Country's name.

Originally posted by jax:

On the other hand people outside the respective continents will think of Europeans

Yup. I know of plenty of Americans that seem to think of Europe as a single nation

Thabotizz I gave you some educational credit but I do really have to reassess that.

Instead of facing reality you try to get off the hook by slagging me of re age and joining others that suit him to join to cover for SA. And being stupid linking me to thinking they still live in the dark ages in Africa (although politically much of it is). Can I yet again remind you dear boy of the level of violence in South Africa - amongst the highest in the world? The massive shanty towns that all the years after Mandella's great crappy walk show no signs of diminishing? Its is a truly frightening place to live in these days and wasn't supposed to have been like that after the going of the old Nationalist regime? The widespread poverty and it's percentage of the population. You would have more credibility if you admitted what the rest of the outside world not just I, know only too well of South Africa. I like any person wants to see it getting on but to either ignore serious situations and corruptions to keep your end up in discussion is just damn, plain daft. By all means have a go at me as you haven't any deep defence but you are ignoring not just moats in the eye but damn big planks.

Old timer, say whatever you like. I might think it is iron brew speaking! For the record, your reassement means nothing to me.

Originally posted by Sanguinemoon:

Yup. I know of plenty of Americans that seem to think of Europe as a single nation

For that, we must give the United States of Europe credit.

You are slagging Thabotizz because it is far too near the truth and most of the world outside your deadly country know it. You are not able to refute anything I said about the level of murder, mayhem, shanty town, poverty, Mandella, etc. Instead fall back on name calling. I can understand you wanting to stand up for your country in principle but you young fool (opposite of me), have no answer.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Instead fall back on name calling.

And that, I'm sure you'll agree is wrong. Not something you'd ever do....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

....but you young fool....

Oh.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

(opposite of me)

I wasn't going to call you an old fool Mr Howie. You're too hard on yourself!

Originally posted by oldtimer:

You are not slagging Thabotizz because it is far too near the truth and most of the stupid world outside your lovely country know it. You are able to refute anything I said about the level of murder, mayhem, shanty town, poverty, Mandela(spelling corrected), etc. Instead I fall back on name calling. I can understand you wanting to stand up for your country in principle but you are young (opposite of you), I have no answer.

That's how I see it!

Noted young ignorant fool.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Noted young smart wise one.

Feel free to bask in my presence. Maybe my wisdom will rub off on you!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You are slagging Thabotizz because it is far too near the truth and most of the world outside your deadly country know it. You are not able to refute anything I said about the level of murder, mayhem, shanty town, poverty, Mandella, etc. Instead fall back on name calling. I can understand you wanting to stand up for your country in principle but you young fool (opposite of me), have no answer.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Originally posted by oldtimer:

You are not slagging Thabotizz because it is far too near the truth and most of the stupid world outside your lovely country know it. You are able to refute anything I said about the level of murder, mayhem, shanty town, poverty, Mandela(spelling corrected), etc. Instead I fall back on name calling. I can understand you wanting to stand up for your country in principle but you are young (opposite of you), I have no answer.

That's how I see it!

Six of one and half a dozen of the other - why don't you guys cool it? The slagging off is too close to racial undertones (on both sides) and one more not-so-subtle insult and you'll be over the top and damage the forum.

So, pretty please, with lots of , please stop and talk about flowers or something.

Yup. I know of plenty of Americans that seem to think of Europe as a single nation

If you think thats wierd take a look at this!!





Thats the leader of Britains UK Independance party attacking the new EU president.
Makes you feel proud to be British. Er. lol. Thats our best defence against Europe.
Fuckwittery at its finest.

And theres more where that came from.


Slightly irrelevant to the thread topic, but I thought our US friends may find it funny.

I would say string that Thabotizz who is hardly walking here on the Forum is jumping on a bandwagon where someone slagged me off over ageism before so he decides this is an ideal way to use that tack. Obviously cannot think for himself. As he cannot keep to the argument he uses this instead as a dig. I will certainly not use the responding epitapl once he drops this personalisation. If someone dishes it out they will get it back. Otherwise the game is open and I won't. Every time he wants to be silly and call me old timer I will regard him as a young fool. We need no lessons from Me-hee-co either as that direction is hardly inncoent from the past.

As for this thread it was a silly start. Someone will always come on and say they know someone who thought Africa or Europe was one place but that tends to be such a distant stance it is pointless. What I do look forward to is the day that much more of Africa can stand on it's own feet without our tax money being swallowed up by dictators and corruption all over the place. Overseas Aid is one of the few departments our government has increased at a time when we are going to be going through a Hell ourselves. The quicker Africa gets on the better even just for the financial drain on us and for the good of the ordinary person who has been stuck with legions of crooked Presidents and officals living the life of Reilly.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Thats the leader of Britains UK Independance party attacking the new EU president.

*claps*

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

but I thought our US friends may find it funny.

The man covered nearly everything didn't he?

Anyone misplacing country for continent and vice versa(irrespective of the continent) is actually under the plague of geographical mediocrity. It is either his knowledge of geography is zilch or he is a novice in the field.i won't fling away the fact that some dudes are educated mediocres!forget the degree! As for mr. Howie,he unfortunately never had a good 20th century enlightnment. For that,i forgive his faint and pathological attack on a not-concerned african continent

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As for this thread it was a silly start. Someone will always come on and say they know someone who thought Africa or Europe was one place but that tends to be such a distant stance it is pointless....

If you think something is "silly" why do you have to put words in it.
Atleast i've learned something from these forums about Scotland of which i had zero knowledge what is happening over there Scotland.
My point is~you should ask what was the person thinking/encountered?
than saying "the thread it was silly start".

Well Billymish it is hardly mainstream that there may be odd people who think Africa is one country. It is so far out to be fantastical. Generally folk don't think that at all unless it is some daft thing Africans conjure up when anything critical or negative comes you way. That you blunce it back here says something is lacking. However I do agree Africa is not one country.......

Good one there mr. Howie

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We need no lessons from Me-hee-co either as that direction is hardly inncoent from the past.

Who is 'we'?

That really tells us much about your "standards" Thabotizz when you quote the racist and fascist Mugabe who destroyed a country that was once the basket place of Africa and is now it's top basket case. Your own President is not far off being a nut job either. Zimbabwe wad not done in by we wicked Europeans but one of your own heroes who is a megalomaniac and destroyer. But the legions of the simple minded are brainwashed and that SA is his bsom pal says much about that place. Your standards are much different from ours and boy am I thankful there is a distance! Corruption, misrule and the age old tradition of settling old tribal scores keep the African "standard" alive and well (?)! The fact that so much of Africa thinks a nut case like Mugabe is a hero tells the world what is wrong with the continent. My country is one of those that pumps billions of pounds into Africa annually and is increasing the budget which I find dismaying.

Small wonder so many Africans try to move up here maybe they cannot reach the standards you set I suppose?....

Originally posted by keloda:

Anyone misplacing country for continent and vice versa

I didn't see anyone come up with examples of anyone actually doing that - what we've seen so far ( people treating some continent/area/whatever as a culturally uniform entity ) fall quite a bit short of it.

Since even one state like Illinois or one province like North-Holland isn't culturally homogeneous even saying that one country in Africa would somehow be different should easily qualify as a strange thing to say. The most culturally homogeneous place I know about is France, and that was enforced in a horrible manner. I suppose places with a (formerly) totalitarian regime might also be more homogeneous.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Small wonder so many Africans try to move up here maybe they cannot reach the standards you set I suppose?....

It's probably a nefarious conspiracy by them to counter the rampant violence in Glasgow?

In the last wee while there has been a sudden invasion of Africans on his Forum. Is there a special offer going on or what or evryone linekd to pcs with Opera as standard?? Quite happy to see a broad audience here but seems odd that in a relatively short space if time there is a legion from the continent and particular countries. Would be interested to know if there is any special reason for this as it isn't happening from anywhere else. And before someone knee-jerks I am asking a reasonable question that may evoke a reasonable answer from Africa.

In the last wee while there has been a sudden invasion of Africans on his Forum. Is there a special offer going on or what or evryone linekd to pcs with Opera as standard?? Quite happy to see a broad audience here but seems odd that in a relatively short space if time there is a legion from the continent and particular countries. Would be interested to know if there is any special reason for this as it isn't happening from anywhere else. And before someone knee-jerks I am asking a reasonable question that may evoke a reasonable answer from Africa.

Yes. Out of all the countries in the world. Say for example, no French people write on here that i know of. Why not? A few Germans. Where's all the Russians, and Eastern Europeans? Loads of Yanks of course.(I got told off by a girl for calling her a yank). I'm still so ignorant that i don't understand the difference. Is it something to do with the superbowl?
What about Spanish people? There have been over the last year or so a lot more African people on here. Swedish women, thats whats needed. With naked pics of course. Of course!!!

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

Is it something to do with the superbowl?

I'll let the dog answer.. He is one of the smarter of those other guys....not saying much and it is not a compliment dawg

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Is there a special offer going on or what or evryone linekd to pcs with Opera as standard??

Nigeria is a very populous country. It has roughly 156 million people.
It has more than double the population of the UK, thus it is logical that the # of Nigerian posters should increase.

Are you saying that out of a pent-up fear? I hate it when people make a hell of childish fibs in opera!We've got a lot of fake demographers here! I'd rather not comment on the issue of african invasion.It is a gross insanity of a wee month to talk about that. The man that beats a drum for a dancing madman is not quite different from the madman.so i'd rather not be a drum beater for the opera mad........

Originally posted by keloda:

Are you saying that out of a pent-up fear?

Context man, context. Who are you talking to again?
Assuming you're knee-jerking to rjhowie's question - he's right. There were hardly any africans here ( just a few south africans ) until quite recently when especially nigerians started popping up left and right. IIRC some of them mentioned using mobile phones to access the forum so I'd guess that phones with opera mini became affordable and popular in the last few years.

Originally posted by keloda:

The man that beats a drum for a dancing madman is not quite different from the madman.so i'd rather not be a drum beater for the opera mad........

You sound a lot like a madman though.

When a white punk suddenly forgets the fact that everything has it's starting point,then i see it as a show of amnesia.Banking on the fact that you've used the opera for sometimes doesn't make you a pioneer.If that's what you are campaigning for,i guess you're just burning away time.You've really got to make some intensive study on the world,the most recent,before you joing the bandwagon of the men who prefer lurking behind the rock of ignorance and sheer pride

Chill out dude. All he's saying is that there didn't used to be many Nigerians about and now it almost appears like every fourth thread is created by a newly joined Nigerian (and not of the spamming type).

Originally posted by keloda:

When a white punk suddenly forgets the fact that everything has it's starting point,then i see it as a show of amnesia.Banking on the fact that you've used the opera for sometimes doesn't make you a pioneer.If that's what you are campaigning for,i guess you're just burning away time.You've really got to make some intensive study on the world,the most recent,before you joing the bandwagon of the men who prefer lurking behind the rock of ignorance and sheer pride

Oh, you're just the complaint letter generator's little brother. Silly me, I should have noticed that your rants have nothing whatsoever to do with anything posted here by others.

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Chill out dude. All he's saying is that there didn't used to be many Nigerians about and now it almost appears like every fourth thread is created by a newly joined Nigerian (and not of the spamming type).

I'd rather tell Frenzie iam not going bananas instead of typing off my fingers in response to macallan's hocus-pocus.Frenzie,i've got ya point.I reacted so because one macallan was getting personal,using mr.Howie's latest post as a medium of attack on the africans.Seriously,you guys've got to chain some white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.Besides,they give the west a dainted picture of civilization;just like a father slipping back to youthful escapades!

Originally posted by keloda:

Seriously,you guys've got to chain some white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

Ah, playing the race card. Had to happen eventually. Now where did we see that particular kind of clownery before?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by keloda:

Seriously,you guys've got to chain some white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

Ah, playing the race card. Had to happen eventually. Now where did we see that particular kind of clownery before?

Or rather ducking the race card

Originally posted by Frenzie:

Chill out dude. All he's saying is that there didn't used to be many Nigerians about and now it almost appears like every fourth thread is created by a newly joined Nigerian (and not of the spamming type).

yeah, let call it opera/naija boom period. i dont know if i fall into that category though.
Should anybody be worried apart from my fri.. mr RJ , i dont think so.

Originally posted by keloda:

When a white punk suddenly forgets the fact that everything has it's starting point

What is a white punk?

Originally posted by keloda:

white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

???
racism?

Originally posted by keloda:

white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

???
Who do you think you are talking with?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by keloda:

white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

???
racism?

Nope,realism

Originally posted by Belfrager:

Originally posted by keloda:

white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.

???
Who do you think you are talking with?

to some alien friends

I'd rather tell Frenzie iam not going bananas instead of typing off my fingers in response to macallan's hocus-pocus.Frenzie,i've got ya point.I reacted so because one macallan was getting personal,using mr.Howie's latest post as a medium of attack on the africans.Seriously,you guys've got to chain some white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.Besides,they give the west a dainted picture of civilization;just like a father slipping back to youthful escapades!

I'm glad of the passage above. It helps me with my definition of the word 'Bollocks' which I was struggling with.

Another context in which the expletive can be used is in the sorry case above. hut hum. Please read:

"And after everyone read the passage above they did ponder for a while until they all agreed that it was complete bollocks".

Nicely done.

Originally posted by TroyMclure:

I'd rather tell Frenzie iam not going bananas instead of typing off my fingers in response to macallan's hocus-pocus.Frenzie,i've got ya point.I reacted so because one macallan was getting personal,using mr.Howie's latest post as a medium of attack on the africans.Seriously,you guys've got to chain some white dudes away from the forum,because they abuse it.Besides,they give the west a dainted picture of civilization;just like a father slipping back to youthful escapades!

I'm glad of the passage above. It helps me with my definition of the word 'Bollocks' which I was struggling with.

Another context in which the expletive can be used is in the sorry case above. hut hum. Please read:

"And after everyone read the passage above they did ponder for a while until they all agreed that it was complete bollocks".

Nicely done.

That pictures the real bollocks!Troy,why keep it hidden all this while?Ah,perhaps you never knew you've got them under your screen!the more reason why you went searching

speaking through the back of the neck.Someone've got a hell of bollocks under his roof,and still searching for it's meaning.OFF POINT!!

Now, thats total and utter bollocks.

I think some wise Nigerians or neighbours should take keloda by the hand and lead him to kindergarten discussions as he is beginning to morph into gibberish. The white punks slur and the degeneration of that whole comment into a bundle of words which produced nonsense. Having been puzzled why all of a sudden we got an African invasion (would have just have been the same if Irish, Swiss or whatever) I shouldn't have bothered asking judging by his waffle!Other Nigerians or Africans passingly take my commiserations.

Well, it's really a shirt-genic continent. Other continents don't look as great on t-shirts.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think some wise Nigerians or neighbours should take keloda by the hand and lead him to kindergarten discussions as he is beginning to morph into gibberish. The white punks slur and the degeneration of that whole comment into a bundle of words which produced nonsense. Having been puzzled why all of a sudden we got an African invasion (would have just have been the same if Irish, Swiss or whatever) I shouldn't have bothered asking judging by his waffle!Other Nigerians or Africans passingly take my commiserations.

hope all that is directed at macallan who generated the whole thing by digressing from the original thread and hauling attacks at the economic psychology of africa.I'll not dally at the frontline of formality in my attempt to correct any misconception of africa on the dais of the present century.Damned too patriotic,this keloda

Originally posted by keloda:

hope all that is directed at macallan

I doubt it. It may help if you would actually read some of the posts in this thread. Especially those you 'respond' to.

Originally posted by keloda:

who generated the whole thing by digressing from the original thread and hauling attacks at the economic psychology of africa.

Where exactly did I do any of that? Or any of the other nonsense you accused me of? Come on, be specific and give exact quotes or admit that it all exists in your head only.

Originally posted by keloda:

I'll not dally at the frontline of formality in my attempt to correct any misconception of africa on the dais of the present century.

So far your 'responses' had little to nothing to do with whatever they were supposed to respond to. Apparently certain key words trigger rants with you, context be damned.

Originally posted by keloda:

Damned too patriotic,this keloda

It seems to mess with your reading comprehension.

Originally posted by ClassicAutumn:

Well, it's really a shirt-genic continent. Other continents don't look as great on t-shirts.

Antarctica looks pretty cool. Its swirly design would really be in fashion around a decade ago.

Well you did try to elucidate some kind of sense from keloda, Macallan so fair do's but to be frank you are not going to get anywhere even with a reasonable request for explanation. I, having been criticised on another thread for being off-topic was lambasted when I in fact was on topic. Common sense is out of the window here so we must find another criteria for explaining what he is often on about. All I have managed using a strainer is to figure out he is patriotic the rest is meaningless.

Giving so much tax money to help the Continent doesn't give a respite from mentally groaning and almost putting one's head in your hands. It is like Greece trying to see what you are getting for your money!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Well you did try to elucidate some kind of sense from keloda, Macallan so fair do's but to be frank you are not going to get anywhere even with a reasonable request for explanation.

Yeah, he seems to be some sort of script.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I, having been criticised on another thread for being off-topic was lambasted when I in fact was on topic.

On topic in D&D? That's tantamount to heresy.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Common sense is out of the window here so we must find another criteria for explaining what he is often on about. All I have managed using a strainer is to figure out he is patriotic the rest is meaningless.

Well, Jivelissie more or less answered the question yesterday.

Originally posted by jax:

Originally posted by ClassicAutumn:

Well, it's really a shirt-genic continent. Other continents don't look as great on t-shirts.

Antarctica looks pretty cool. Its swirly design would really be in fashion around a decade ago.

Like this one?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is like Greece trying to see what you are getting for your money!

Lucky for Greece that the UK, France and Germany will pay the majority for screw-up.
The US will too, though not directly, through the IMF. (Which the UK also puts in a lot)

Ultimately it will the Greeks that have to pay. Not topical to this thread, and there is already a Greek debt thread.

A-ha. Maybe we could move Africa to Antartica and all these African continentals who have suddenly appeared here can be so cool down there....?!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

A-ha. Maybe we could move Africa to Antartica and all these African continentals who have suddenly appeared here can be so cool down there....?!

Oh! Please. You and who? I'm going nowhere.

Simple.

Persuade me to move

Persuade? We gave you civilisation now you want to be patronised!? Just thought if we moved Africa somewhere out the road we could use the space for something constructive (!) like marinas and such?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We gave you civilisation

we?who are "we"?

Originally posted by keloda:

we?who are "we"?

Mr. Howie considers fancies himself as a proponent of the Brit Empire.
In my numerous discussions with him on the BE, he believes it never did any wrong. (Which is a complete load of bollocks of course.)

Originally posted by keloda:

we?who are "we"?

Presumably people with a few percent Neanderthal genetics.

Originally posted by keloda:

we?who are "we"?

Just him.

He doesn't really have a clue what he's talking about most of the time. Next he'll criticise you for a lack of geographical knowledge. Just ask if if Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, and watch him come unstuck!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We gave you civilisation

For a very old guy, you disappoint me. Civilisation started in Egypt (Africa)! Or maybe the irish history taught you other wise? Then we'll have to argue until an angel comes and takes your blessed soul!

Look at Robert M. a true product of your education! You lot really know how to mould and groom dictators. And you still have the gall to call whatever you brought a CIVILISATION!! Tell me, how do you sleep at night?

Stick to what you know, that is drinking iron brew!

Me thinks them grey cells are all used up

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We gave you civilisation

we?who are "we"?

You see, rjhowie personally brought 'civilization' ( whatever that is, probably the wonders of irn bru abuse ) to Africa ( even to places that have never been under british rule ), thus making it what it is today. According to his own posts he failed horribly

Thanks for the clarity Macallan.

For a very silly young fool Thabotizz you fail to understand we are talking about modern and near modern times. TV, cars, internet, telephones, trains, planes, metalled roads, electricity, gas, etc, etc none of which came from Africa although judging by some of the daft stuff we are getting here now from that Continent these may have wafted over the head? Having given more detail maybe this will be understood but I am not holding my proverbial breath!

I have already tried here but still not got a proper answer. So will try again/ Why is there a sudden invasion from Africa which has appeared here in one one fell swoop? It is a curiosity and suspect I am not alone in noticing this that so many Africans are dropping in here all of a sudden. It is not too much to ask why this has occurred. It is a question without any motif other than a rightful puzzlement. We haven't had anything similar happening from the Far East, South America and so on.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

So will try again/ Why is there a sudden invasion from Africa which has appeared here in one one fell swoop? It is a curiosity and suspect I am not alone in noticing this that so many Africans are dropping in here all of a sudden.

Can you provide a link to this story?

Or is this a Daily Howie exclusive?

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We gave you civilisation

we?who are "we"?

mr rj and his invisible entourage.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We gave you civilisation

we?who are "we"?

mr rj and his invisible entourage.

Don't forget his phantom empire where he's tsar of russia and queen of britain at the same time

Originally posted by jivelissie:

mr rj and his invisible entourage.

That's not even mentioning his battalion of imaginary women.

rj just made my day.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

his battalion of imaginary women

That's the "we" Those women in flags! Thanks there thedawgfan for the revelation

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is a curiosity and suspect I am not alone in noticing

Oh my God!Show me your bird of a feather.You are alone.Or as thedawfang noted: "you and your imaginary soldiers of women"

Well in the list of modern civilisation wonders I gave above perhaps the smart arses here can tell me which came from Africa? Hence the white man brought civilisation to the Continent. Instead of being the usual smug attitude tell me. On that lesser note why has there been such a sudden invasion of contributors from there. Mildly curious that is all. I don't mind you getting excited keloda thinking the crazy gang here gives you a boost. I add you to them gladly. It must make a change from switching the electric light on and off?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I gave above perhaps the smart arses here can tell me which came from Africa?

RJ, various African civilisations had developed complex legal systems, currency, trade, manufacturing processes, ship building, architectural wonders, medicinal procedures, mathematics and much more thousands of years before people in Scotland, or the UK, had mastered putting one stone on top of another.

Hence the white man did not bring civilisation to the continent. You just have no idea what civilisation is. Perhaps you school study the subject rather than make fanciful guesses based on your racial prejudice.

:trying to act surprised:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

perhaps the smart arses here, the crazy gang here

Smart arses?crazy gangs?Are they the impenetrable "we".I don't think macallan and thedawfang will like those two lousy words!Besides,they are not loners,not prejudiced, and above all,know what civilization is!Don't expect your kind of racial extremism from them(though,you can brainwash your army of "invisible" women into toeing thesame path with you)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Why is there a sudden invasion from Africa which has appeared here in one one fell swoop? It is a curiosity and suspect I am not alone in noticing this that so many Africans are dropping in here all of a sudden. It is not too much to ask why this has occurred. It is a question without any motif other than a rightful puzzlement.

Now,we've seen that not once,but a 'thousand time'.Though no one is concerned in giving that trivial and extraneous comment a click of their time,be assured the answer will arrive soooooon!(like next year) if you keep blurring our vision with such words on the screen,we either get bored with you,or throw you out of D&D!!

Yeah you are so right Thabotizz in that things should be kept simple but such a stance seems to float over th heads of you and your compatriots.

As for jax's piffle about Edwardian concepts an example of being almost patronising and deflecting. Can I remind him too that the wars, corruption, mismanagement, tribal mayhem, etc is today and not some distant memory in some misconception of mine to be filed in a history archive name? I stick with my continuation them that come back in another 10 years and much of the place will still be a basket case taking more of our money, syphoning it into regimes that are a joke the usual corruption and inter-tribal old score settling. It is a monstrous disgrace that one of the few department here to increase it's spending is Overseas Aid to places in Africa where much of it disappears into luxuries and pockets re the rich and powerful.

I do however have a sympathy for the ordinary average African Joe who has to live in such a political quagmire. For them it is a damn shame. But preserve me from the liberal thinking minds here that try to make excuses for something that does seem to be inherently in the genes of the place. Other Continents move ahead but this one limps along while people make watery excuses for it. I dare say they will still be making them 100 years from now.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I do however have a sympathy for the ordinary average African Joe who has to live in such a political quagmire.

RJ, you don't live in Africa therefore you should not talk about Africa. As per your own logic.

You didn't acknowledge the fact that there was civilisation in Africa before the 'white man' arrived. But then, when have you ever acknowledged making a mistake?

To most pple its a bequeathed ideology that has been past on from one generation to another without the latter generation taking a step of finding out the truth for themselves.The current generation should strive to become an epitomy of civilivation and sophistication,get out of their inherent ideas and searching for their own and true truth and facts about Africa.Furthermore,I was asking myself this question as I was reading this post, how can a single country be governed by 56 presidents,factor that??!!!!

Amusing what people would say even when it shows their stupidity. That SA guy is probably just been too defensive, i don't care what crap anyone says about nigeria cos it is either true, in which case we do our best to make it better or false, which just shows the person's stupidity

Originally posted by Naijaboi:

Amusing what people would say even when it shows their stupidity. That SA guy is probably just been too defensive, i don't care what crap anyone says about nigeria cos it is either true, in which case we do our best to make it better or false, which just shows the person's stupidity

That is against the norms of this forum.You don't insult no one.Keep your insults to yourself.Calling people stupid?Isn't that silly?

Oh my Heavens. Even when I feel concern occasionally (happens when tired) at Africa along comes Thabotizz and quotes that African ne-Nazi Mugabe the destroyer of a country. It was your lot in SA that has helped to keep the mad man in power, starve his people, terrorise them with his own form of Gestapo and create a dictatorship out of fledgling democracy. He is the hero of the African Union. So if these are your goals then get on with them and I for one who be happy for us to stop Overseas Aid to your banana Continent tomorrow. He destroyed a country that was the basket of Africa into being it's champion basketcase. Yet you lot applaud him??

Originally posted by garydenness:

But then, when have you ever acknowledged making a mistake?

He never has in all the time I've been on here.
Sanguinemoon, Macallan, has he ever admitted making a mistake?

The Crazy Gang cheerleader strikes again.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Crazy Gang cheerleader strikes again.

Can you remember a time on here when you admitted making a mistake? I'd love to see the link! It could be true, after all. Maybe you have. You've sure had plenty of opportunities!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The Crazy Gang cheerleader strikes again.

I was inquiring to those who have been here longer than me.
You opened a dictionary up yet?

Ha, ha. The sheer gall of garydenness on never admitting mistakes or being wrong?! If he lived in some ignorant native uneducated society they would declare him a God for being so perfect on everything. I will be glad when the government caps no EU immigration it will help the crime stats a bit (!).

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The sheer gall of garydenness on never admitting mistakes or being wrong?!

Spell 'hypocrisy'.

(Then continue your search for a time you've admitted a mistake!)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

If he lived in some ignorant native uneducated society they would declare him a God for being so perfect on everything.

Much as I'd like to be a god, living in Glasgow just isn't worth it.

Originally posted by garydenness:

You didn't acknowledge the fact that there was civilisation in Africa before the 'white man' arrived.

Societies or cultures are one thing, civilizations are other.
At North Africa, Egyptian and, later, the "Arab" civilization are good examples of societies that evolved to civilizations.
At subsaharian Africa, I'm not aware of civilizations before European arrival. Only different cultures and societies coexisted there.

Africa has the greatest amount of resources the second most populus continent in the world a continent with no natural disaster a continent that has tourist attraction i dont think people will see africa has a country.ok for those who don't know africa has more than 53 counteries

Do you know africa is the best continent?

Originally posted by Belfrager:

At North Africa, Egyptian and, later, the "Arab" civilization are good examples of societies that evolved to civilizations.

At subsaharian Africa, I'm not aware of civilizations before European arrival. Only different cultures and societies coexisted there.

Nubia was an advanced Sub-Saharan civilization before the Egyptian civilization came up that you presumably know about, but there was plenty more. When Europeans discovered ruins of that kind of Africa they were all "black people couldn't have built this, Europeans - Romans or something - must've been here before us." Wikipedia offers a reasonably looking overview of some Sub-Saharan civilizations.