South Africa...

South Africa...

Lets play...''free association''..! What is the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the name *South Africa*?

U should hv mentioned your thoughts.
Anyway.mine is
Soccer World Cup.

As usual."Nelson Mandela".

at the moment i +hink world cup soccer but usualy i think racism. sad but true

An African country developing at a geometric rate. And ofcourse the FIFA WORLD CUP

I didn't expect positive feedback at all

Would have to be the World Cup

North Africa.

Methinks jivelissie that you let the glory of the Cup let you get carried away. Happy that countries there get a chance to host things but a wee bitty of too excitement. Is that SA that is developing at a fast rate?? in what? Poverty, no housing, social breakdown?

My company. Originated in South Africa. All of the senior people here in the U.S. office are South African and moved here some number of years ago.

World cup

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Methinks jivelissie that you let the glory of the Cup let you get carried away. Happy that countries there get a chance to host things but a wee bitty of too excitement. Is that SA that is developing at a fast rate?? in what? Poverty, no housing, social breakdown?

Its a pity you only choose to see the negative aspect of anything concerning Africa. Am tired of preaching the positive aspect.I think you need to go out more and see things for yourself.
You rely too much on the media for your source of info.

Are you saying that poverty does not exist in the Uk???
Take a walk on the wide side Mr RJ, may i suggest, if you are less busy you might even come for the World cup tournament.

Originally posted by succiakim:

Lets play...''free association''..! What is the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear the name *South Africa*?

Rugby

Michener ....Fiction of course.

My home country! Where democracy is cherished, but there are a few others that still don't know the true freedom our friends died for. I wouldn't be anywhere else! Mzansi for sure.

Oh but Thabotizz I have absolutely no axe to grind over anyone sticking up for their country and that includes you and wanting to be positive. Can fully understand even if I don't know you. Everyone must have a sense of hope. The problem is that the problems (!)there are so vast it is not just some minor or passing situation. For all those who suffer from them their has been no advancement no matter how much constitutionally the country has changed. It now has a democratic constitution bu the massive bad situations have increased and become more violent than under the authoritarian regime that went before! Beautiful country in many ways and hope the World Cup goes well for you but sorry a wee bit wary of going.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

but sorry a wee bit wary of going.

Really?? I'd love to go to South Africa. If I had the money I'd be on my way in a months time. There are countries that I wouldn't perhaps visit because of the security situation. Iraq and Afghanistan, but that's about it. And I could be persuaded to visit certain parts of both those countries.

I'm not full of bravado. I am sure there's plenty of people who'd happily agree with me. The question is, why are you so frightened of these strange lands, and I (and others) am not?

I'm here in SA and things are looking up, old timer. Don't know where you get your idea from. Maybe it's too much iron brew? I have to reasses your mental stability!

Look here young fool. How can you simply think what I mentioned is not important and will vanish because you ignore it?? Indeed it is because those things are not tiny but massive and widespread that the rest of the world sees what you try to forget. They are everywhere. When I was a wee boy my father had the chance of a good job there in Durban and boy am I glad he never took it. No harm to you personally but your balance is a bitty cock eyed. Ten years from ow the shanty towns will not have decreased nor the poverty nor the corruption and would bet on it. Enjoy the football but all those horrors will still drag SA down in more discerning world eyes than those out of kilter.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

When I was a wee boy my father had the chance of a good job there in Durban and boy am I glad he never took it.

Ok, so I'll rephrase my question. The question is, why are you, and perhaps your father before you, so frightened of these strange lands, and I (and others) am not?

Maybe your old man was not even qualified, old timer. Everyone knows the old regime reserved positions for the so called 'whites'.

Thank God!

If I'm a young fool, Reginald. Then it takes one to know one.

So now it's old timer stuff? And here was me thinking that Africans respected age! Obviously a way of filling the void that you have being unable to properly deal with what I say about Africa. I am thankful you are where you are as your compatriots who roam the streets of London are a pretty rum lot and walking on the wild side doesn't give the label fair justice. Take them back please and we will call it quits.

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Originally posted by rjhowie:

Blah! blah! blah! Take them back please and we will call it quits.

In your dreams! Just as people have their freedom of association, movement and the likes- we can't deny them their democratic rights. This simply means you can't handle competition from South Africans! EUFA has Africans playing in their league and they have made a huge contribution. Step up to the game, don't critisize!

Keep it simple.

Nothing is complicated!

You jst don't know how much Africans play in the youthful murders mayhem going on in London do you? Freedom to come here and be crims?

Try using your eyes. Haven't I said that I hope the Cup goes well and been complimentary. Sometimes the excitement of youth and the excitement can mean tripping over yourself. Odd discussion where one is not meant to have another opinion or criticise! Having indicated was pleased your country got the chance the fact that I won't be going is my right too in freedom. If it goes trouble free then I will equally say so here on the Forum so keep calm and wait...if you can.

Why are you so bitter? Everybody sees you hate Africa! What have we done to you? I suggest you refrain from discussing issues concerning Africa or else you will lose my respect. But it's your right to share your opinion. Think before you post! I think it's rule no. 5.

If we are actually talking about individual flash-back or peep-and-blot opinions on SA,the eminent obvious is the world cup,the tenacity and legacy of an unbiased mandella,a centre of tourism and rapid economic bloom.But lurking under these prominent features of SA is a inefficient presidency.A president who have,beyond the limitations of dignity,abused the norms and sanity of matrimony. A president giving a fatal epitome of the danger of hiv/aids. An incompetent,post-juvenile and above all,a not-fit-for-that-post president who have constantly ducked the revelation of his health and marital statue. "This should not give mr.howie a nut to crack and a fun to childlikely yap about regarding SA. In extention,positivity and negativity are two words that 'must' emerge in any sense of description. Take note 'master' howie. hohoho......

It how Nelson Mandela for? What's do you mean?

Originally posted by japhetelia:

It how Nelson Mandela for? What's do you mean?

Don't know whether you spoke English there,dude. Come out straight and blot your question

I guess Nelson Mandela was the first thing to come to mind...

Yes, Nelson Mandela is the greatest! Everybody loves the man.

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Yes, Nelson Mandela is the greatest! Everybody loves the man.

Mandela is the greatest:covering up the inefficiencies and atrocities of Jacob Zuma

Originally posted by rjhowie:

When I was a wee boy my father had the chance of a good job there in Durban and boy am I glad he never took it. No harm to you personally but your balance is a bitty cock eyed.

This one is new!!what went wrong to your parents,it seems there is something common about you and your parents.maybe it runs through the blood??please let me know.

Peaceful revolution.

And you people can safely ignore rjhowie. He's just one of those people with a mean outlook. He's the kind who thinks Mickey Mouse is gay cos of its squeaky voice.

Originally posted by keloda:

Mandela is the greatest:covering up the inefficiencies and atrocities of Jacob Zuma

please clarify your statement;
it depends which news you were/are watching that shows Mandela "covering" Zuma.
Several times i've seen Mandela as President speak in presence of Zuma not about Zuma;

Since Zuma became President:2/3 occasions Zuma spoke in presence and about Mandela,not the vice versa!!

What makes a person to be a President?

Mandella's legacy has made it possible for people not to see Zuma's sins

Originally posted by keloda:

Mandela's legacy has made it possible for people not to see Zuma's sins

i'm not sure what you wrote about?
1.There is a case which was reported on 26april2010 regarding Zuma,that He was at fault~the ppl who found Zuma is at fault i dont see them being blind.
2.regarding his hiv status
He disclosed his hiv status this past sunday.
In your opinion:-
What makes a person to be a President?

Shows how limited you folk are over there trilogy5 reckoning I have a mean outlook. Probably been more varied here than you and your lot over there is la-la land will ever be. We now have a Nigerian-S. African fraternity here but there again so much in common from two basketcase countries. Birds of a feather do surely flock together, ha, ha.

On a more serious note away from the kindergarten mob mind can I say Billymish (your last comment was more sensible than the others) what makes a President of any country with one would be honesty, morality and transparency. Wouldn't you say these were noble characteristics rfor anywhere? After all they are hardly contentious?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We now have a Nigerian-S. African fraternity here but there again so much in common from two basketcase countries.

Hmm, shall I run for President of the two countries collectively, and together we can successfully invade Scotland and bring them into the 21st century?

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We now have a Nigerian-S. African fraternity here but there again so much in common from two basketcase countries.

Hmm, shall I run for President of the two countries collectively, and together we can successfully invade Scotland and bring them into the 21st century?

Now that's a good one there;a firm jab at mr. Howie's wit!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

what makes a President of any country with one would be honesty, morality and transparency. Wouldn't you say these were noble characteristics rfor anywhere? After all they are hardly contentious?

3ethics+consultation of constituences will be good President i agree.
But i can hardly find one.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

We now have a Nigerian-S. African fraternity here but there again so much in common from two basketcase countries.

Hmm, shall I run for President of the two countries collectively, and together we can successfully invade Scotland and bring them into the 21st century?

Vote Thedawgfan in '10 (Nigeria-South Africa Coalition)!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Vote Thedawgfan in '10 (Nigeria-South Africa Coalition)!

You've got to wait for the next election.It is a one-party coalition and iam the sole candidate:lol:

By all means thedawgfan try to invade but I wouldn't have any combatants from either of the two basketcase countries.

You would get shot in the back, zonked with a cooking pot or machete, your money lifted or get involved in inter-tribal conflict fighting themselves rather than the opposite side. Expecting them to act like in the 21st century with archaic mentalities would be a nightmare even for a General dawg having been raised in a tradition of Southern gallantry, etc. Judging by what is oft contributed here from the dark continent you would be better invading England there are more of their compatriots contributing to the decline in GB. Ripe for takeover I reckon. Up here you would have me and the loyal militia led by this doughty and resolute leader. Like at the Battle of Aughrim 1690 deep in Ireland....no quarter.

Wow,who gave mr.a hell of a heebie-jeebies! Hope you guys can pin the pent-up anxiety in his write-up. Mr.Howie,don't get nervous!huh.we aren't coming.We don't wanna get stabbed out of life by some mad london mobs.If you need us for peace keeping(contracted leadership)you pay $20 million and line up in london street for the arrival of the african general!

Woah. You wouldn' t be any safer than the rest of us in London keloda. Much of them are from your tradition but they don't seem to mind who they do in so be warned. Heavens we are giving billions in Overseas Aid and you want another $20 million to stop a further invasion. Help!

Then,back out of the RWC.don't use that as a yardstick to back out of a financial sui....,

I was going to invade Nigeria but with so much inter-communal bloodshed between north and south no-one would know i was there so would get miffed and just leave them to it and go home again. Your chance the meet me in my pith helmet missed keloda........

Originally posted by rjhowie:

pith helmet

You are a old guy. I thought I was the only one to remember those.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I was going to invade Nigeria but with so much inter-communal bloodshed between north and south

.
Which intercommunal bloodshed are you talking about? Nigeria had few days of social disorder in A STATE (3 mths ago)out of the 36 states in Nig. So WTF are talking abt. Get your fact right Rj we've had enough of your imagination.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Which intercommunal bloodshed are you talking about?

I doubt he even knows what he is going on about.
No doubt he still thinks all of Africa is like Rwanda in 1994.

I do wonder though, are you from the North or South of Nigeria, Jivelissie?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I was going to invade Nigeria but with so much inter-communal bloodshed between north and south no-one would know i was there so would get miffed and just leave them to it and go home again. Your chance the meet me in my pith helmet missed keloda........

That's a show of mr.howie's most recent archaic display:his knack for hindsightedness.First,the north and south never fought.second,the rumour was made popular by the colonialist BBC for their allies in the uk.Mr.Howie was late for a listening shot;arriving >3 months after the news.A continuous show of inefficiency in punctuality which lucidly displays itself in his view of civilization.Mr.Howie,always behind schedule!!

Originally posted by keloda:

First,the north and south never fought.

True.
Out of curiousity, what about yourself? Are you from the North or the South?

(I recently did a case study on Nigeria in a political science class and learned quite a lot about it.)

Perhaps the pleasure you derived from studying Nigeria gave you a half-baked fact about the country.You seem to deem Nigeria as a dual regional country.You've got to do more case study.I guess you try doing that in geography this time.It's more concise and precise.

Is there any particular reason why you keep avoiding questions other people ask you?

Originally posted by keloda:

Perhaps the pleasure you derived from studying Nigeria gave you a half-baked fact about the country.

Nope. It was very straightforward and factual.
The North is mainly Muslim, and the South is a combo of Christian and other religions.
It's annual GDP is $2,100.
The Hausa-Fulami is the main ethnic group in the North (and most populous ethnic group in Nigeria), and the Yoruba and Ibo ethnic groups make up the South.
I know for a fact that you lot's Constitution is an example of "Constitutional Engineering".
Your country is by far the most corrupt nation in the world.

Originally posted by keloda:

You seem to deem Nigeria as a dual regional country.

No, I see the divide of the country along religious lines. Your country is 80% religious after all.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

from the southwest to be precise,but i live in the North.

I see, thanks for answering.
What did you think about that young woman who was very nearly executed as a result of attempted Sharia Law by the North?
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nigerian-Girl-Flogged.htm

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Your country is 80% religious after all.

By Tennessee standards that's almost secular

Originally posted by Macallan:

Is there any particular reason why you keep avoiding questions other people ask you?

If you are fund of picking bones with someone for a long spar every week,then you'd better opt out,because you'll remain without a foe this week.I've got no biz with a maca let alone a llan

Originally posted by keloda:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Is there any particular reason why you keep avoiding questions other people ask you?

If you are fund of picking bones with someone for a long spar every week,then you'd better opt out,because you'll remain without a foe this week.I've got no biz with a maca let alone a llan

Please go and take your medication. Seriously.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Your chance to meet me in my pith helmet

Or with a bottle of rum,bag full of gin and satchets of cocaine.Those are the popular things in glasgow(from the news).High drug quotient and fatalities of alchohol abuse.I guess the scots have sold all their helmets in exchange for a bottle of.......So i will be expecting Mr.Howie with a trail of.......

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by jivelissie:

from the southwest to be precise,but i live in the North.

I see, thanks for answering.
What did you think about that young woman who was very nearly executed as a result of attempted Sharia Law by the North?
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Nigerian-Girl-Flogged.htm

lack of education was her 1st problem, she does'nt know her right all she needed to say was that she was not a muslim and she would have been exempted.
Not to go deep into the sharia law in Nig, but it was kind of a show law for the northern muslims. At its inception they needed some scapegoats, a man hand(left or right am not sure) was amputated for stealing a cow. Some strokes of canes were also administered according to the Islamic law(so they say).
The sharia law confirm its humor when some muslim politicians were found guilty, and they opted for the federal court.
Its unfortunate for the woman but she never knew she had numerous option. There are numerous NGOs that cater specifically for oppressed and physical abuse women FREE.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Nope. It was very straightforward and factual.
The North is mainly Muslim, and the South is a combo of Christian and other religions.
It's annual GDP is $2,100.
The Hausa-Fulami is the main ethnic group in the North (and most populous ethnic group in Nigeria), and the Yoruba and Ibo ethnic groups make up the South.

correct expect for the fact that not all Northern states are also a combo of both main religions given a particular % will be incorrect.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

I know for a fact that you lot's Constitution is an example of "Constitutional Engineering".
Your country is by far the most corrupt nation in the world.

i disagree. Some corrupt individuals YES, a corrupt nation NO. I differ on Generalising. Maybe if you show me some yardstick for comparism.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

No, I see the divide of the country along religious lines. Your country is 80% religious after all.

Freedom of religion and association is allowed by the Nig constitution

Originally posted by jivelissie:

correct expect for the fact that not all Northern states are also a combo of both main religions

Of which, Islam dominates, right?

Originally posted by jivelissie:

given a particular % will be incorrect.

Not at all, if you look under "people" in the link I am about to give you, you will find that I was indeed wrong: 90% are religious:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html
"Religions:
Muslim 50%, Christian 40%, indigenous beliefs 10%"

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Maybe if you show me some yardstick for comparism.

Well, to whom would you like to be compared to?

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Some corrupt individuals YES, a corrupt nation NO.

You seem to misunderstand me. When I say "the most corrupt nation" I am talking about gov't officials. In terms of gov't officials, there is no doubt that Nigeria has the most corrupt gov't in the world. The reason: oil revenues. If you look back at your country's 2nd Republic, in 1980 Nigeria earned $400 billion dollars, much of which was spent on infrastructure, schools, health care, etc.
Your elected official since then have simply pocketed the oil earnings.
There is no doubt in my mind that the majority of Nigerians are excellent people who are not corrupt.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Freedom of religion and association is allowed by the Nig constitution

I understand that, again, you misunderstand me.
I was talking about the ridiculous attempt by the Muslims in the North to impose Islamic law on the rest of Nigeria. (Theocracy)

Originally posted by jivelissie:

she does'nt know her right all she needed to say was that she was not a muslim and she would have been exempted.

Not to go deep into the sharia law in Nig, but it was kind of a show law for the northern muslims. At its inception they needed some scapegoats, a man hand(left or right am not sure) was amputated for stealing a cow. Some strokes of canes were also administered according to the Islamic law(so they say).

The sharia law confirm its humor when some muslim politicians were found guilty, and they opted for the federal court.

Its unfortunate for the woman but she never knew she had numerous option. There are numerous NGOs that cater specifically for oppressed and physical abuse women FREE.

I see. Thanks for the info.

That's a real understanding G there!!

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Of which, Islam dominates, right?

for arguement sake, yes.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Well, to whom would you like to be compared to?

is that a trick question? Well my options may be bias. You choose.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

simply pocketed the oil earnings.

it is popularly known in the west as misappropriation.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

There is no doubt in my mind that the majority of Nigerians are excellent people who are not corrupt.

people are the same everywhere.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Thanks for the info.

my pleasure

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Maybe if you show me some yardstick for comparism.

Well, to whom would you like to be compared to?

She just told you

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Freedom of religion and association is allowed by the Nig constitution

I understand that, again, you misunderstand me.
I was talking about the ridiculous attempt by the Muslims in the North to impose Islamic law on the rest of Nigeria. (Theocracy)

Now does that remind us of something? 90% or more religious, highest concentration in one end of the country, wannabe theocracy?
We even have bat shit crazy preachers in the US who occasionally call for political murder and dream about imposing mosaic law ( or at least the parts they like ) on those bloody infidels.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

The sharia law confirm its humor when some muslim politicians were found guilty, and they opted for the federal court.

I bet 'our' crooks would do the same and nobody would be the slightest bit surprised.
Laws like that are only popular when applied to other people.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Its unfortunate for the woman but she never knew she had numerous option. There are numerous NGOs that cater specifically for oppressed and physical abuse women FREE.

Most countries have laws which require that people who get arrested for whatever reason be informed of what rights they have.

Racial segregation and WORLD CUP

Originally posted by DANBUZU:

Racial segregation and WORLD CUP

we are talking about the present day and not some silly racial past

Originally posted by keloda:

we are talking about the present day

What about post Mandela days and the resurgence of the silly racial past.Think I will give the world cup a miss.

Originally posted by leftwing:

Originally posted by keloda:

we are talking about the present day

What about post Mandela days and the resurgence of the silly racial past.Think I will give the world cup a miss.

what's your reason?Financial?

Keloda! U always attack me, why for God's sake?

Originally posted by Macallan:

Most countries have laws which require that people who get arrested for whatever reason be informed of what rights they have.

ofcourse we do that too,
except in sharia law women dont exactly have a

Originally posted by keloda:

what's your reason?Financial?

It is true that tourists are targeted by criminal types incited by racial jealousy.

Quite possibly although the less bright here forget that racial undertones can be attributed to all backgrounds and not just the usual aunt sallies.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Quite possibly although the less bright here forget that racial undertones can be attributed to all backgrounds and not just the usual aunt sallies.

the uk inclusive?

You don't hide your prejudice very well?

jULIAS MALEMA AND STEVE BANTU BIKO

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Most countries have laws which require that people who get arrested for whatever reason be informed of what rights they have.

ofcourse we do that too,
except in sharia law women dont exactly have a

So, the states that implement sharia law actually break or override federal law?

Originally posted by Macallan:

So, the states that implement sharia law actually break or override federal law?

I think the real query is, Is Nigeria a secular or religious state?
Does Northern Nigeria have the right to override the federal "law"? (Although that is a joke considering the rampant corruption in the Nigerian gov't)
As far as I know, Iran is the only official religious state.
Am I wrong Jivelissie?

People speaking English with an Afrikaans accent say "build" in a really annoying way.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

As far as I know, Iran is the only official religious state.

Well, the Vatican is the very definition of a theocracy which doesn't even try to appear remotely democratic.
Otherwise, Saudi Arabia is as close to a theocracy at it gets while still being a monarchy.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Well, the Vatican is the very definition of a theocracy which doesn't even try to appear remotely democratic.

Good point.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Otherwise, Saudi Arabia is as close to a theocracy at it gets while still being a monarchy.

True. I hadn't considered that.

Originally posted by Macallan:

Originally posted by jivelissie:

Originally posted by Macallan:

Most countries have laws which require that people who get arrested for whatever reason be informed of what rights they have.

ofcourse we do that too,
except in sharia law women dont exactly have a

So, the states that implement sharia law actually break or override federal law?

its kind of complicated but afaik no law is broken. I have no really seen or had a personal experience with the sharia law court. One thing i am sure of is that an individual could decide whether he/she want a case to be decided at sharia court or the federal court. Ofcourse they have their limitations, few cases that have been decided by the sharia court are mostly domestics issues. Those funny types like stealing a cow, pilferage, and other petty disputes among muslims. You hardly notice their existence these days.
FYI l live in the Northern part of Nigeria.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Originally posted by Macallan:

So, the states that implement sharia law actually break or override federal law?

I think the real query is, Is Nigeria a secular or religious state?
Does Northern Nigeria have the right to override the federal "law"? (Although that is a joke considering the rampant corruption in the Nigerian gov't)
As far as I know, Iran is the only official religious state.
Am I wrong Jivelissie?

Nigeria is not an officially a religious country but rather a country with two major religions and diverse ethnics groups(if i may add)
And sadly, our president died yesterday.

Originally posted by parkerjm:

People speaking English with an Afrikaans accent say "build" in a really annoying way.

and your point is? If any. *hiss*

There was some famous South African musician on the tv news here on Thursday and he dismissed the World cup in South Africa as an irrelevance. Said he thinks it a waste of time and it will move on and there will be nothing different in SA. Curious coming from such a famous entertainer over there.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

There was some famous South African musician on the tv news here on Thursday and he dismissed the World cup in South Africa as an irrelevance. Said he thinks it a waste of time and it will move on and there will be nothing different in SA. Curious coming from such a famous entertainer over there.

Now,tha's mr.Howie in action:always hide-bound in his judgement.Of all the tvs he'd been watching,the only one worth sharing is that one that says something negative about africa.Perhaps he never watched some laudable remarks of other celebrities who said something positive about the world cup being hosted in africa(atleast a man like the former UN secretary general )Hush,i am tired

What a silly man! Well this is not coming from me keloda but from one of your top and most popular entertainers interviewed on the BBC so maybe you should rest as you obviously miss the point. On a routine note I was reading a travel supplement in my paper today and it mentioned SA as a good holiday destination. By all means enjoy the World Cup but everything will remains as it was before the thing came there.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

SA is a good holiday destination. By all means enjoy the World Cup.

Thanks a lot.
wonders never seize?
Have yourself a you've earned it!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

SA is a good holiday destination. By all means enjoy the World Cup.

Thanks a lot.
wonders never seize?
Have yourself a you've earned it!

He don't deserve it. He's never trust-worthy. Tomorrow,he wil throw unecessary missiles at a nonconcerned Africa. He's just paranoid!!Fears change(let me call it changephobia)

Now aren't you lucky not to be Nigerian Thabotizz looking at that last load of incomprehensible diatribe of nothingness from keloda? Whatever my view of the African Continent in general terms is it pales into a minor role when I look at Nigeria. The President of that benighted lump of nothingness is lucky...he died.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Now aren't you lucky not to be Nigerian Thabotizz.

In these situations, this is how I keep it simple.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Now aren't you lucky not to be Nigerian Thabotizz looking at that last load of incomprehensible diatribe of nothingness from keloda? Whatever my view of the African Continent in general terms is it pales into a minor role when I look at Nigeria. The President of that benighted lump of nothingness is lucky...he died.

And the members of d&d unanimously said "that is a bunch of prejudiced hocus-pocus,coming from a hide-bound loner" And keloda affirmed the citation!!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

SA is a good holiday destination. By all means enjoy the World Cup.

Thanks a lot.
wonders never seize?
Have yourself a you've earned it!

enjoy it while it last thabotizz. Rj posting something positive about SA is worth celebrating.

Yeah always try to be fair. It is funny though getting keloda's mutterings as an alternative to sense. You were very subtle Thabotizz. Maybe you could take keloda a walk into the bush and kind of leave him to talk to the birds and animals so he might be more at home?!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe you could take keloda a walk into the bush and kind of leave him to talk to the birds and animals.

why me?
you take him!

Originally posted by Thabotizz:

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Maybe you could take keloda a walk into the bush and kind of leave him to talk to the birds and animals.

why me?

Why you?Because you are birds of a feather! Always staggering behind a quasi-winning team.An advanced update of socio-sycophancy!! You walk to the stream arm-in-arm!The fishes seem to have a better nous!!

Originally posted by keloda:

Because you are birds of a feather!

Speak for yourself!

What's with this using big words keloda like "sycophancy". I knew a man once who used big words he didn't understand to impress people. Here is something for you to add to your knowledge list...Corn Flakes (two big words).

Originally posted by rjhowie:

What's with this using big words like "sycophancy"

oh my goodness!That,a big word?Did you really serve the government,read shakespear?If you did,perhaps you've got this enigma(don't be surprised) called amnesia!If you didn't,then you're just an imposter!

Thabotizz I am nearly sorry for you as you live on the same Continent as this strange man. He probably thinks Shakespeare is a big word rather than a man......

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Thabotizz I am nearly sorry for you as you live on the same Continent as this strange man. He probably thinks Shakespeare is a big word rather than a man......

Trying to make friends in the forum? Thabotiz,your primary target?After some time you stab him at the back?I just hope he realizes what he is being lured into doing!!!Mr.Howie is looking for whom to devour

Ha, ha. I am not here to make friends I will leave that up to you as the one who likes to quote others when trying to take me on. Sometimes the luring isn't always one-way and has included at times the most active of yakkers. I promise not to do any devouring as you folk have the cooking pots.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

What's with this using big words keloda like "sycophancy".

You see Mr. Howie, keloda has acquainted himself with a decent education or a dictionary. Or both.
It really works wonders. Open one when you aren't working on trams.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Open one when you aren't working on trams

That's just below the belt Mr Dawg!!! I know Glaswegian ladies aren't internationally renowned for their beauty, and I know there are questions marks over what sort of lady RJ attracts, but there's no need for that!

Edit: Oh.....trams! I thought you said something else....

Originally posted by garydenness:

That's just below the belt Mr Dawg!!!

I do my best to help Mr. Howie out.
He offers the most insightful suggestions on how to fix my country, so I in turn, help him out!

Originally posted by garydenness:

Edit: Oh.....trams! I thought you said something else....

:rofl:

Well you have given two possibilities thedawgfan from your new simple acolyte from darkest Africa. But the answer is that he is a dictionary man forget the education bit. If you choose to ignore the things he puts together on these forums that would test an expert to get yourself a self pleasing score do enjoy yourself. I will stick with the adults.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

If you choose to ignore the things he puts together on these forums that would test an expert to get yourself a self pleasing score do enjoy yourself.

I'm speechless! Where would I even begin?? Lay off the Irn Bru, champ!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

your new simple acolyte from darkest Africa.

Why the need for that terminology?
Should he refer to to Scotland as the "cradle of Europeon crime"?

You really are a softy and a neat attempt there at the obvious. There are plenty of Africans landed here to defend themselves without a bleeding heart. Maybe you should look up the meaning of darkest Africa in Wikepedia or somewhere similar! It is not what you are thinking to hint at in your restricted vision. And for any other comparison a comment from America the top jailer of the world (and it's a democracy -kind of).

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Should he refer to to Scotland as the "cradle of Europeon crime"?

Or the Presbyterian Church as the Homo Hub of Glasgow. I just read a report, and the implication I read into it, is that as many as 50% of the Presbyterian Church in Glasgow are gay. Including some senior member of the Orange Order! Not just that, but they have been found with a lot of bondage gear and Twinks magazines.

What does Mr Howie know about all that?!?!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You really are a softy and a neat attempt there at the obvious.

And you are a liar. I asked a simple question and you throw a personal attack about. tut tut Mr. Howie, you are slipping.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It is not what you are thinking to hint at in your restricted vision.

Feel free to expound on this then.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And for any other comparison a comment from America the top jailer of the world (and it's a democracy -kind of).

Tell me, how does it feel to have lost your Brit Empire?
Or alternatively to live in the most violent city in Europe?

Dawfang,don't worry your head over mr. Howie's posts.This days,he sleep-types.

Oh dear thedawgfan has got irritated. I dare say keloda and any other African here who is from a Third World background will not appreciate all the intricacies that go on here. But here we have thedawgfan riding in like the Lone Ranger to defend the African hero here. Well maybe he does need help considering some of what keloda says here and you feel free to help him. I do notice how he comments on the Forums about you Crazy Gang people who support him so kind of shows he is not that strong. However it is a shame he is going to be taken advantage of by the would-be control freakery mob. I think they should tow SA to attach it to the US of A seeing it has had such an involvement with that Continent and mistreated Africans inside it's own borders for so long?.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I think they should tow SA to attach it to the US of A seeing it has had such an involvement with that Continent and mistreated Africans inside it's own borders for so long?.

Two words for you: Indians and Irish

(Thou hypocrite.......)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Oh dear thedawgfan has got irritated. I dare say keloda and any other African here who is from a Third World background will not appreciate all the intricacies that go on here. But here we have thedawgfan riding in like the Lone Ranger to defend the African hero here. Well maybe he does need help considering some of what keloda says here and you feel free to help him. I do notice how he comments on the Forums about you Crazy Gang people who support him so kind of shows he is not that strong. However it is a shame he is going to be taken advantage of by the would-be control freakery mob. I think they should tow SA to attach it to the US of A seeing it has had such an involvement with that Continent and mistreated Africans inside it's own borders for so long?.

trying to save your head.There is just one thing you have failed to do(besides you won't even do it).That is your sterile effort to turn your fellow whites against africa,trying to lure them into undermining africa.I've realized you are the only loner in this forum who is adamantly hide-bound,staggering behind civilization.The guys here understand what the modern world is!!!!!And you?a 18th century sadist:o

You really are such a simple and being slightly silly man. I have no interest in turning my fellow white man towards anything. You folk over there have a good record of damaging yourselves. Whatever education you have had appears so elementary in that you conjure up this nonsense trying to use my opponents on the Forum for your own diatribes. Have you looked at some of your insertions. I have not been alone at wondering what some are saying. Considering that electricity, gas, petrol production, telephones, internet, trains, buses, aeroplanes, newspapers, metalled roads, piped water, etc, etc were given to Africa you have a rather poor appreciation and you accuse me of 17th century ideas?! By all means be a South African addition to the wee Crazy Gang who knee-jerk to me all the time I have no probs the more the merrier but they are not the Forum but like you a small part of it.

Having given you all these attributes as well as dish out our cash to so many places over there we have shown our interest and concern with a pretty poor return.

As for that schoolboy thedawgfan using the hypocrite word that really is breathtakingly wondrous. A country that took in millions of blacks and hung them right up to the 1960's, burned their churches, refused them voting rights. When we took them in we gave them the vote, didn't burn them, hang them. The Irish after "freedom" in the South were given full voting rights when they became an outright Republic in 1948. Yet another example of over generosity that American history has a blot on. He doesn't have a mote in his ye but a damn plank. Now along with the I'm-not-a-Yank (touch of the partisan there?) we can add a South African hypocrite to the list. Welcome to the Crazy Gang keloda. And just for your further education dear keloda the original Crazy Gang were a questionable bunch of film comedians in Hollywood.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

As for that schoolboy thedawgfan using the hypocrite word that really is breathtakingly wondrous.

Yes, I know. It is wonderful that I am receiving a higher education.
I realize that some were not fortunate enough to complete high school, as evidenced by their lack of understanding of the English language.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

A country that took in millions of blacks and hung them right up to the 1960's, burned their churches, refused them voting rights. When we took them in we gave them the vote, didn't burn them, hang them. The Irish after "freedom" in the South were given full voting rights when they became an outright Republic in 1948. Yet another example of over generosity that American history has a blot on. He doesn't have a mote in his ye but a damn plank.

Here you go: http://debatewise.org/debates/1901-the-blood-never-dried

Originally posted by rjhowie:

A country that took in millions of blacks and hung them right up to the 1960's, burned their churches, refused them voting rights. When we took them in we gave them the vote, didn't burn them, hang them.

RJ, we didn't just 'take them in'. We took them over. And we were still hanging them in the 50's. Over a 1,000 in one country alone. As well as committing torture and waging biological warfare. What sort of person would do such a thing? Well the mentality that existed then, and that you have sadly brought with you into the 21st century, made such things permissible. It's why people with views like yours should be mocked and ridiculed. Anything but taken seriously.

But please don't let this stop your hypocritical waffling. Facts aren't something that have ever bothered you before.

What a record for a country that boasts of democracy, it's great Constitution which covered citizens as long as they weren't black..

-Can I remind Africans here that during World War 2 the American Army practiced the same official Apartheid that existed in South Africa? They couldn't put them together because the whites would start a raucous or worse. Much of this even continued after the War too.
-Can I remind Africans here that the black US soldiers were puzzled that local British girls danced with them when they would get beaten up or killed for it back in the US.
-Can I remind Africans here that that was the country fighting the racism of Germany but practiced it in America at every level.
-Can I remind Africans that black people in States of the US still didn't have the vote in the 1960's - and they were still getting killed in the 60's not 50's.
-Can I remind Africans here that black actors and musicians got payed less than whites.
-Can I remind Africans here that when the Ku Klux Klan was at it's zenith it had over 2 and a half million members and ran police departments, judges. towns, Counties even States.

South African's who lived through Apartheid would have almost felt at home moving to America due to the similarities the way they were treated due to the colour of their skin. He may accuse me of waffling but let these speak for themselves when he comes proverbially bearing gifts of concern, etc.

Maybe now you will get the proper picture of the land of the free and home of the brave that this boy comes from. It took nearly two centuries for a black man to even get the vote, worship without his church fired or blown up or lynching stopped. Some passing minor acknowledgement from him means nothing in the wider picture. And the persecution of the black man happened in the Northern States as well. Small wonder there are so many problems in their districts history has been the illness. So the Constitution is a bit of paper that was the biggest waffle and there are still divisions.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You folk over there have a good record of damaging yourselves.

Just like the british are in a habit of stabbing themselves

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I have not been alone at wondering what some are saying

just mention a man 'after your heart' in your crazy ideas

Originally posted by rjhowie:

having dish out our cash

'Our',again?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

we have shown our interest

Our,again! Why not just mention "my" in one of these assertion(the 'pittance' offered included)

Originally posted by rjhowie:

A country that took in millions of blacks and hung them right up to the 1960's, burned their churches, refused them voting rights. When we took them in we gave them the vote, didn't burn them, hang them. The Irish after "freedom" in the South were given full voting rights when they became an outright Republic in 1948. Yet another example of over generosity that American history has a blot on. He doesn't have a mote in his ye but a damn plank. Now along with the I'm-not-a-Yank (touch of the partisan there?) we can add a South African hypocrite to the list. Welcome to the Crazy Gang keloda. And just for your further education dear keloda the original Crazy Gang were a questionable bunch of film comedians in Hollywood.

Read that twice,yet,it made no sense

Originally posted by rjhowie:

What a record for a country that boasts of democracy, it's great Constitution which covered citizens as long as they weren't black..

-Can I remind Africans here that during World War 2 the American Army practiced the same official Apartheid that existed in South Africa? They couldn't put them together because the whites would start a raucous or worse. Much of this even continued after the War too.
-Can I remind Africans here that the black US soldiers were puzzled that local British girls danced with them when they would get beaten up or killed for it back in the US.
-Can I remind Africans here that that was the country fighting the racism of Germany but practiced it in America at every level.
-Can I remind Africans that black people in States of the US still didn't have the vote in the 1960's - and they were still getting killed in the 60's not 50's.
-Can I remind Africans here that black actors and musicians got payed less than whites.
-Can I remind Africans here that when the Ku Klux Klan was at it's zenith it had over 2 and a half million members and ran police departments, judges. towns, Counties even States.

South African's who lived through Apartheid would have almost felt at home moving to America due to the similarities the way they were treated due to the colour of their skin. He may accuse me of waffling but let these speak for themselves when he comes proverbially bearing gifts of concern, etc.

Maybe now you will get the proper picture of the land of the free and home of the brave that this boy comes from. It took nearly two centuries for a black man to even get the vote, worship without his church fired or blown up or lynching stopped. Some passing minor acknowledgement from him means nothing in the wider picture. And the persecution of the black man happened in the Northern States as well. Small wonder there are so many problems in their districts history has been the illness. So the Constitution is a bit of paper that was the biggest waffle and there are still divisions.

Am relieved at your consistent use of the word "remind".You are reminding men of the past(just as you are staggering behimd the present).Isn't that what i kept mentioning? Living on a "lonely island" of the past

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Can I remind Africans here...

Yes, yes. Should they listen to you? Should any of us?

The way black people have been treated in the US over the last couple of hundred years is terrible. Not quite as terrible as British people have treated black people over the last couple of hundred years.

Can I remind you...

Originally posted by garydenness:

RJ, we didn't just 'take them in'. We took them over. And we were still hanging them in the 50's. Over a 1,000 in one country alone. As well as committing torture and waging biological warfare.

And indeed, the actions we took then are still affecting these peoples today.

Aren't you going to 'lambast' the British? No? Why not?

Originally posted by keloda:

You are reminding men of the past(just as you are staggering behimd the present).

Of course. The man lives in it.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Should they listen to you?

Nope.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Should any of us?

That is up to the individual poster.
While Mr. Howie seems to be going through "his time of the month" at the moment, I will continue to read his posts for the reasons I always have read his posts:
1. Amusement purposes
2. A (very) different (slightly archaic) perspective
3. Though he and I can disagree quite vehemently at times, we can agree on somethings. I hold to the steadfast belief that it is never too late to teach an old "dog" new tricks. I think that eventually all of us at D&D will pull Mr. Howie into the late 20th century, seeing as how he seems to be stuck in the mid-70's early 80's. (We only have about 3 decades to go!)

In his falling over himself to nark at me garydenness fails to see the obvious. I was talking about the blacks take into the USA. So we did NOT do as they did in my list and they got the vote here without waiting nearly two centuries nor did we in GB lynch them, burn them out in legions all over this island and so on. They also got free health care as soon as they were here. No comparison at all with the Ex-Colonies. A country like that with such a blatant hypocrisy while stomping about the world shouting about freedom, democracy and rights and their worthless Constitution is hypocrisy on a massive scale. They even proclaimed all these things while persecuting blacks inside their own borders. Small wonder that boys like thedawgfan grow up with the same attitude.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

In his falling over himself to nark at me garydenness fails to see the obvious.

Translation: (untranslatable rubbish) because garydenness fails to see it my way.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I was talking about the blacks take into the USA. So we did NOT do as they did in my list and they got the vote here without waiting nearly two centuries nor did we in GB lynch them, burn them out in legions all over this island and so on.

For once in your life, please grow a pair and actually answer the question by way of giving a rebuttal to disprove Gary's facts.

Oh I wouldn't want you and your other half falling out at all. Stay close and enjoy your first experience of being an acolyte.If you two were magnets there would be a loud clanging noise by now.

So you won't be giving a rebuttal?
Can't say that I am surprised.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

In his falling over himself to nark at me garydenness fails to see the obvious.

No, I fully understood your point. You seem to have entirely missed mine. Which would be your fault, as I made my point using reasonable and simple terms.

Or is it my fault, because I used those darnfangled 'word' things...

Originally posted by rjhowie:

So we did NOT do as they did in my list

Yes WE did. Are you suggesting that so long as we do these deeds outside of our own borders, it's ok? Are you not going to answer? This is one of many reasons why so few people will take the time to debate you Mr Howie. This is why so few people take you seriously. This is why your arguments are pathetic. This is why you have pretty much zero credibility.

Having a different opinion is fine. Being unable to answer a straight question, being unable to substantiate your more controversial points and your utterly ridiculous inability to read other people's points and comprehend them - that just makes you look silly.

So why not give a sensible, coherent, fact based response. Just for once.

Are you suggesting that so long as we do these deeds outside of our own borders, it's ok? Are you suggesting that the British have treated black people better than the Americans over the last two hundred years? What justifies the atrocities committed against various African peoples by the British?



Incidentally, the people that enslaved the blacks in America and treated them so badly in the first hundred years or so of the existence of the US.....they were more closely related to the British (and French/Germans etc) than they are to Americans today.

Originally posted by thedawgfan:

Can't say that I am surprised.

I'll make a prediction - RJ won't answer those questions, certainly not with anything coherent. We'll just get random, meaningless waffle.

The love-n between thedawgfan and garydenness is even more ludicrous when they dump the matter of waffle on me. It wouldn't natter to either of those two in particular of the Crazy Gang what I say they would make good Irish dancers as knee-jerking is the mode of the day.

Originally posted by garydenness:

I'll make a prediction - RJ won't answer those questions, certainly not with anything coherent. We'll just get random, meaningless waffle.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The love-n between thedawgfan and garydenness is even more ludicrous when they dump the matter of waffle on me. It wouldn't natter to either of those two in particular of the Crazy Gang what I say they would make good Irish dancers as knee-jerking is the mode of the day.

Prediction fulfilled.

Originally posted by garydenness:

Prediction fulfilled.

Well done, Nostragary!

Originally posted by rjhowie:

The love-n between thedawgfan and garydenness is even more ludicrous when they dump the matter of waffle on me.

Still waiting on that rebuttal.....

Doesn't really matter what I say as the Crazy Gang and especially the two love birds from Me-he-co and the Ex-Colonies dependencies will always be negative. i just have to appear and that is enough for the two know-it-alls. They wil always either deliberately misintrpret or slag off. It will be obvious however to the vast majority who read but don't contribute that an attacking alliance is on the go. Not new of course. They just love playing word games don't they and if teasing doesn't work there is always try to negate. Neither have much else in their poor lives so I am doing them a favour and thanks boys for that roundabout (and possibly not intended) compliment. Much appreciated and a drink of (diet) Irn Bru is now being had. Cheers.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

and the Ex-Colonies dependencies will always be negative.

Nope, you just lack debating skills.
You cannot give a rebuttal because you have none, just endless waffle.
MS was never part of your colonies, so if you are going to refer to me, use thedawgfan of fellow from Mississippi.
I know that you can't be arsed to open a history book, but if you ever do, look up when MS became a state.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Neither have much else in their poor lives so I am doing them a favour and thanks boys for that roundabout (and possibly not intended) compliment.

It's always funny when you post rubbish like this, because everyone (including yourself) knows you are actually talking about yourself.

By all means though, Mr. Howie, keep buggering on!
It makes for such great entertainment value.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

It will be obvious however to the vast majority who read but don't contribute that an attacking alliance is on the go.

RJ, you are deluding yourself. The vast majority of people who read this will consider you a barely literate, poorly educated soul, lost in the 19th century. Not everyone. But the vast majority.....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

They just love playing word games

Actually, what you call 'word games' is more commonly known as 'coherent writing'. Or 'coherent typing' if you want to be picky. Don't try and accuse others of a fault, when the problem lies with you.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Neither have much else in their poor lives

RJ, I watched a documentary on the Orange Order a while ago. It showed both sides of the organisation. The modern forces who have left the ficticious history, dogma, prejudice and hatred behind.

And it showed the ones who have maintained all that twisted baggage in their tiny minds. They are losing. They will become extinct. Their old and inappropriate nonsense is no longer wanted.

And you 'old and inappropriate' RJ? Are you no longer wanted by your beloved brethren? Are you being sidelined by progress and the 21st century?

Are you, now, officially unofficial? You know what I mean....

That's where all the 'you are nothing/nobody/unimportant' stuff of recent weeks has come from. As usual, it's a reflection of yourself, as you try and pretend it isn't happening to you.

Bad news. It is. Mr RJH Unofficial.

And true to form you respond by the usual slagging and again that arrogance that everyone else is of your mindset. You really are so partisan and bigoted. One can feel sorry for you. I suspect you didn't do much while you lived here unlike this poor deluded man who has give a lifetime service to others. As I pointed out to the majority who read here and don't respond you are a big fish in a wee pond in Me-he-co. Doubt if you were missed here. I would be on my service. Have held public office too so do try and be sensible and not button press. Dare say you treat your students like some belated District Commissioner attitude? Your lesser acolytes like the wonderful keloda in turn thinks you are, well, wonderful. I acknowledge that but happy to lose him.

Meanwhile South Africa which we are meant to be discussing not me as the usual chance of attack, for all it's natural beauty is the land of perpetual tin shack settlements and rampant poverty. I dare say to be fair the World Cup will give a boost and good luck to South Africans in the joy it gives but the day after the visitors depart the nightmare will sadly still be there. Wish it were not so for the sake of well being but incapability comes to mind.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And true to form you respond by the usual slagging

RJ, you barely write a post without slagging someone off. Usually multiple people. Sometimes entire communities.....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

You really are so partisan and bigoted.

Oh dear. You dont really know what the word bigoted means, do you? Against which group am I bigoted? Waiting.....

Originally posted by rjhowie:

are a big fish in a wee pond in Me-he-co

Which I guess is better than being a bottom feeder in a stagnant pond called Glasgow. I do have that consolation!

But RJ, it remains, doesnt it. The reason youve suddenly gotten all defensive about being big and important, is because youve discovered recently that youre not big and important.

So how did the meeting go, when the brothers told you that you were old and inappropriate?

Originally posted by rjhowie:

Have held public office too so do try and be sensible and not button press.

So did you make any big decisions as the Refuse Collection Commissar?

It would really surprise the noise up merchant here to know what it was. I can tell you he wouldn't have been safe. Anyway back to South Africa.

On Sunday night Channel 4's well known current affairs offering Dispatches had a full hour programme on the Lost Girls of South Africa and what a damning and shocking insight it was into the disgusting national trend of rampant abuse of young girls.

South Africa now clocks up a child raped every 3 minutes somewhere in the country. In Port Elizabeth as one example 12 to 13 young girls every day are raped many still at Primary School. Realising there was a problem the government did a survey of 250,000 school children and found that 62% of boys had no hangups on rape and that girls enjoyed being abused that way. A third of boys said they were involved. The programme followed particular cases and spoke to child support workers, social workers, police and the young girls themselves. One police officer said she wasn't going to lie and that the child always seemed to suffer and things weighted against them even by the police. The attackers tended routinely to get police bail so they were still about to intimidate, frighten and even threaten. To listen and watch the situations and with the child present was a harrowing experience. What is it with you of people where rape is so almost tolerated and that it is so widespread and deep rooted? Now because it is so everywhere done by adults now increasing numbers of boys are in on this and includes gang rape.

These figures are explosive and sexual licence and depravity widespread and animal behaviour. Why? It is a damnable shame and blight. Explain this away if you can??

And for your further information Channel 4 4 has given information on the web including child interviews...

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/

Originally posted by rjhowie:

I can tell you he wouldn't have been safe.

I wouldn't have been officially safe? Or officially unofficially safe?

And still waiting for the reaction of garydneness and thedawgfan's chums, oops acolytes to explain why they have a country that is rampant sexually damaging. I should have included the number of men involved but let's not kick them completely. Note how these two ignore facts when they pop up? Being so cosy they could be dance partners. What a sorry story about SA and there is no real answer to the teeming numbers of youngsters being raped by men and boys who don't see it as anything out of the ordinary. The 2 Crazy Gang leaders however being so fluent with mince normally can maybe help their pals out here? At least the original Crazy Gang tried to be funny.

Originally posted by rjhowie:

And still waiting for the reaction of garydneness

RJ. I'm still awaiting answers from you going back nearly five years. If you want answers, and debate, then you have to provide a little quid pro quo. What's up with all the white murderers in Glasgow?

Q&A's. Followed by more Q&A's. That is what is called debate.

As it is, I am well aware of the problems that exist within Africa. Far more, I'm sure, than you do. So no need to respond to you. You've been repeating it in a most nauseous fashion for years. On and on and on. You should take the Duracells out of your backside and give it a rest.

Doubly, I'm unlikely to respond positively to someone gloating over the misfortune, misery and hurt of others. Especially when that person is gloating from a racist and hateful perspective. Yes, that'd be you.

It's a pretty sick individual who takes so much pleasure from the suffering of others. Do you get a bit of a thrill every time you hear of an African rape? Do you get a pleasant tingle every time one black man stabs another black man to death? Something new to gloat about on the Opera forums....


One thing remains RJ. You are 'old and inappropriate'. Those that know you best, your 'brothers' have declared you to be so. But I'm sure most people who come across your illiterate ramblings could work that out pretty quickly for themselves.

Come in, Mr Unofficial, your time is up. It's actually been up for some time. Since the Edwardian era ended, actually.

Originally posted by garydenness:

someone gloating over the misfortune, misery and hurt of others. Especially when that person is gloating from a racist and hateful perspective.

Yes, garydennes a complete retard would do that!

Originally posted by garydennes:

It's a pretty sick individual

very sick indeed!

Originally posted by garydennes:

Do you get a bit of a thrill? Do you get a pleasant tingle?
You are 'old and inappropriate'.

I bet there won't be an answer from this one

Originally posted by garydennes:

your illiterate ramblings.

spot on!

Originally posted by garydennes:

Mr Unofficial, your time is up.

ouch! the truth hurts!