Sad case of suicide girl who couldn't find job.

Sad case of suicide girl who couldn't find job.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Vicky-Harrison-Suicide-Failed-Jobseeker-Killed-Herself-After-Hundred-Of-Rejection-Letters/Article/201004415614644?lpos=UK_News_Second_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15614644_Vicky_Harrison_Suicide%3A_Failed_Jobseeker_Killed_Herself_After_Hundred_Of_Rejection_Letters

I thought i'd highlight this as its a subject that's kind of close to my heart, and it upset me a bit.

As I am banned from driving at present finding a job isn't always easy,(i'm working at the moment) but the above case just shows how desperate people can become.

Normally my posts are humourous/stupid but I read about this and thought 'thats awful'.

Well,to all who are in the same situation,never give up..everything happens 4r a reason.poor.. vicky she didn't have 2 do that.lol

I hate reading about things like that they are so saddening and depressing

Originally posted by browneyes97:

Well,to all who are in the same situation,never give up..everything happens 4r a reason.poor.. vicky she didn't have 2 do that.lol

Lol? Really? This made you lol?

And as for everything happening for a reason, tell that to her friends and family - I'm sure they'd be really keen to know what cause you think has been served by her depression.

Poor gal should have vacationed here. Some will do anything to keep from working.

Sad tale for the poor lady whose life was cut short by a bad economic administration.

Originally posted by keloda:

Sad tale for the poor lady whose life was cut short by a bad economic administration.

Quite right and well said! The regulators and the politicians let us down and are responsible for this economic depression. In the United States seventeen senior employs at the Security Exchange Commission were watching porn up to eight hours a day while the worst economic depression in eighty years was developing. I am curious as to how many employs at the SEC were doing online shopping and social networking.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/04/did-porn-cause-the-financial-crisis/39414/

Originally posted by keloda:

Sad tale for the poor lady whose life was cut short by a bad economic administration

yeah right, but if everyone has to commit suicide because of bad economic situation i wonder how many jobless youth that will still be alive in Nigeria. its sad and depressing but that's just life. sh*t happens, you get over it .

Originally posted by jivelissie:

that's just life. sh*t happens, you get over it .

yep, good advise.

I believe some who grow up with obstacles are better equipped to deal with the pitfalls that they encounter...and for sure they

will come along.

thats really sad.

Very sad of course but to be frank there is no set pattern to suicide. There are hundreds of incident or situations that are similar or often for minor reasons. Emotional matters being highly strung and so on can lead to such even in areas that the vast majority of people would never dream of taking such steps. There are thousands of people who have went through the same patterns as this poor girl but they don't all decide to die. The mind is an individual thing and most people will not be able to equate with her decision.

Originally posted by jivelissie:

yeah right, but if everyone has to commit suicide because of bad economic situation i wonder how many jobless youth that will still be alive in Nigeria. its sad and depressing but that's just life. sh*t happens, you get over it .

am just saying we sh*t put all the blames on her

The way the world works is that you have to have money to live. To get money you have to work. Jobs are provided by employers. If someone applies 200 times for a job so that they can get money and get a life and keep getting turned down (200 times) then there are no jobs for them. Not being able to work doesn't just make you depressed it makes you feel worthless.
Not being able to get ANY job at all when you are intelligent is not just one of lifes tests, its more like a perverse torture. Societys rules are, job,money, house, car, supermarket, girlfriend, uphold the law. So where is the incentive with no job? Governments have let normal people down badly. They want to conform, but they can't. Hence crime, hence massive increases in prison population, hence an increasing underclass.

Societies rules are going down the tube. First labor rates with manual production and also we now have the ability to machine most things without manual labor. I don't have the answers but many things going on today that are, I think, traceable to these happenings. Somebody mentioned idle hands ,not all that wrong observation.

Originally posted by Denny77:

Societies rules are going down the tube. First labor rates with manual production and also we now have the ability to machine most things without manual labor. I don't have the answers but many things going on today that are, I think, traceable to these happenings. Somebody mentioned idle hands ,not all that wrong observation.

So you think perhaps that we should abandon the short-cuts to easy work? Cut the cords of the vacuum cleaners that saved us from spending hours cleaning our floors, lay to rest the engines that have made our lives more leisurely and less dangerous? Do you think we should embrace the challenge of the work, taking our time over tasks to create a world where all men and women shall be kept sane by work, and where all work shall be of value to the community, not only to a few wealthy vampires. To sweep away listlessness and pessimism and weariness and all the complicated miseries of those whose circumstances allow idleness and whose energies are not sufficient to force activity. In place of palaces and hovels, futile vice and useless misery, there is to be wholesome work, enough but not too much, all of it useful, performed by men and women who have no time for pessimism and no occasion for despair.

Does that sound good to you?

Originally posted by WastedCharlie:

Originally posted by Denny77:

Societies rules are going down the tube. First labor rates with manual production and also we now have the ability to machine most things without manual labor. I don't have the answers but many things going on today that are, I think, traceable to these happenings. Somebody mentioned idle hands ,not all that wrong observation.

So you think perhaps that we should abandon the short-cuts to easy work? Cut the cords of the vacuum cleaners that saved us from spending hours cleaning our floors, lay to rest the engines that have made our lives more leisurely and less dangerous? Do you think we should embrace the challenge of the work, taking our time over tasks to create a world where all men and women shall be kept sane by work, and where all work shall be of value to the community, not only to a few wealthy vampires. To sweep away listlessness and pessimism and weariness and all the complicated miseries of those whose circumstances allow idleness and whose energies are not sufficient to force activity. In place of palaces and hovels, futile vice and useless misery, there is to be wholesome work, enough but not too much, all of it useful, performed by men and women who have no time for pessimism and no occasion for despair.

Does that sound good to you?

No I think people should use their brain to overcome some of the difficulties I mentioned not jump to conclusions,and read into posts something that isn't there. Of course that would take some though WASTED. What I said was, and I shall phrase for the really thick, is in general people are going to have to find something to do with their time besides work...for the government....Buzz off charlie I don't have time for you.

I have to say that even re-reading your post, I still feel that the implication is that the popularity of machined manufacturing and production has led to a reduction of pay for labour and effectively devalued manual effort, and that the problems of society lie in this devaluation. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to say that one answer might be to cast off those things that devalued the labour in the first instance and return to a more strenuous way of life. Admittedly, I was just goading about that solution and my post came across as if you had suggested it yourself, which of course you hadn't; I didn't mean for it to be that way. 'Tis my bad.

But if man's woes are worsened by the loss of the old working-class jobs (for it is predominantly those that have been replaced by machines) then what is the alternative? Paying people to do nothing inparticular? Closing the gap between salaries, perhaps by means of a maximum wage? Enforced national service of building infrastructure and cleaning the highways and byways? In return for what, just bed and board? Aside from the fact that this would probably reduce the status of manual labour even further, most people always feel that they're already paying too much tax, and governments around the world are trying to reduce their defocits. Schemes for more governmental employees are unlikely to be appreciated here.

I can say the poor girl did what she did because it is in her blood...forgive me if i say genetic. The level of suicide in the west is far too alarming to be thrown into the thrash can of it-doesn't-matter. Beat a child,desert your spouse or lover,scold a youngster,kill a superstar(mj for eg) or deny a sports team a trophy and i wil tel you what's next: corpse dangling from ceiling tops,floating on variegated rivers and on the highways,smeared by the wheels of 'avoiding' drivers. What a H. Redicule hauled at the giver of life

Originally posted by grysmn:

In the United States seventeen senior employs at the Security Exchange Commission were watching porn up to eight hours a day while the worst economic depression in eighty years was developing. I am curious as to how many employs at the SEC were doing online shopping and social networking.

How many employees work for the SEC? That's your answer.

I'm sure anyone who has a job sitting at a computer hooked up to the internet is going to be doing something online that is not related to their job. I'm sure many people who post in this forum do so from their job.

The fact that those employees at the SEC held 'senior' positions is even less surprising. Less supervision = more fun time online

Originally posted by keloda:

I can say the poor girl did what she did because it is in her blood...forgive me if i say genetic.

She did what she did because she did not have coping skills to deal with her depression. Obviously this girl had issues and she needed help. Yes...what happened is very tragic and sad, but to blame the economy is ridiculous. My dad always told me that life isn't easy and there will be times when it pushes you down to the ground. It's how fast you get up again that defines your determination and will to succeed.

Originally posted by keloda:

The level of suicide in the west is far too alarming to be thrown into the thrash can of it-doesn't-matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Originally posted by WastedCharlie:

I have to say that even re-reading your post, I still feel that the implication is that the popularity of machined manufacturing and production has led to a reduction of pay for labour and effectively devalued manual effort, and that the problems of society lie in this devaluation. It doesn't seem too much of a stretch to say that one answer might be to cast off those things that devalued the labour in the first instance and return to a more strenuous way of life. Admittedly, I was just goading about that solution and my post came across as if you had suggested it yourself, which of course you hadn't; I didn't mean for it to be that way. 'Tis my bad.

But if man's woes are worsened by the loss of the old working-class jobs (for it is predominantly those that have been replaced by machines) then what is the alternative? Paying people to do nothing inparticular? Closing the gap between salaries, perhaps by means of a maximum wage? Enforced national service of building infrastructure and cleaning the highways and byways? In return for what, just bed and board? Aside from the fact that this would probably reduce the status of manual labour even further, most people always feel that they're already paying too much tax, and governments around the world are trying to reduce their defocits. Schemes for more governmental employees are unlikely to be appreciated here.

I spent most of my life as a process eng in consumer goods so I am well aware of the attributes of producing goods for the benefit of people. I am also aware that at the present time a person is,for the most part only, worth what they produce for society. What I have tried to indicate is that something else will have to take the place of present way of looking at things. In fact it is already happening. Right now many are doing absolutely nothing. People will eventually come to the realization that this no good and ,amazingly people work on problems, and will address the problem.Perhaps it will go full circle and we will end up back on the farm to speak..Ok with me.

What you are for the most part, I think , indicating, I agree with . As I said I do not have the answer . that I am afraid will evolve. Hopefully to something good...or not.

And some people say they are god fearing some ,but some replies are down discusting on one of them .
Sad she had to commit suicide i dont think its an answer and its a shame our goverment does not put something in place to help others who are trying so hard not like some to find a job and yes find utterly depressing .Angers me that we waste recources than accumalate .But being a ex civil servant we do lie or did lie a lot to the general public .

just for the record and i am not to know but i do we civils and ex civils stick together ,may interest one poster on here .security measures went to Ban C the highest of all Critical .Pause for thought now .
And no public was to know but they do now .

Originally posted by Denny77:

I am also aware that at the present time a person is,for the most part only, worth what they produce for society. What I have tried to indicate is that something else will have to take the place of present way of looking at things. In fact it is already happening. Right now many are doing absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by Juggalo1:

Angers me that we waste recources than accumalate .But being a ex civil servant we do lie or did lie a lot to the general public .

There have been transitions from the agrarian society to the industrialized society. Now we are transitioning to the automated society. Many positions will be or are obsolete, Stores will become automated, Cars will be automated, most sales will be done using the Internet, Publishing will change. Just as industrialization reduced the need of agrarian workers from 95% to less than 4% of the population, the automated age will reduce the needs for service and sales jobs.

We are in for major changes for awhile unemployment will be high. Perhaps some sort of Government action will be necessary. A story that sums up moderation is a Story of one of my economic Professors from his peace corp experience. There was a worker in a five story building his job was bringing water up to the top floor to flush the toilet. He was worried because modernization was coming. The building was having plumbing installed and the worker was stressed about what he would be doing for work once the plumbing was installed. In other words a lot of what people do today for livelihood is the equivalent of carrying water up to the top floor.

A challenge will be to find ways to find new ways for people to contribute to society in a meaningful manner.